Originally Posted by garinda (Post 941415)

Since 1973 there have been 11 referendums in the U.K., including the two national ones.

When it comes to referendums at local government level, in that same time frame, you can 37 more to that list.

What were you saying about referendums not being 'how we do things in the U.K.'?

:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by JCB (Post 941417)

Whether you like the man or not , Neil Kinnock was correct when in his anti-Militant Tendency speech of 1985 he said , " You don't play politics with peoples' jobs . "

I want to see the jobs , the livelihoods , and the welfare of the people of this country guaranteed in any alternative to the EU .

Originally Posted by JCB (Post 941423)

I was referring to nationwide referendums within our Parliamentary system . Referendums that are not constitutionally binding because of Parliamentary sovereignty .

We don't rule by referendums in this country .

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 941437)

Plus the money earned would be put back into our own economy & not sent to other Countries within the EU.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 940988)

Just watched this.

BBC News - Panorama - The secret lives of Britain's child beggars

Heartbreaking.

Heartbreaking for the children who are trafficked into the U.K. by their parents.

To beg, and take advantage of the generous legitimate social benefits available to them in the U.K., and exploit with ease those same benefits fraudulently. Before driving back to their luxurious palaces in Romania, in their expensive Mercs, all funded thanks to the British tax payer.

More heartbreaking is that in all the years I lived in London, in the eighties, nineties, and early noughties, the number of professional beggars working in London you could count on the fingers of two hands.

My, how things have changed, in the few short years Romania has been a member of the E.U., with it's open border policies.

The next expansion of the E.U. will most likely include countries like Turkey, with it's 75 million population.

Shall we open a book, guessing how long before they become full E.U. members?

Three? Five? Seven years?

...and please don't anyone dare try and label me as racist, because I oppose the madness that ensues from the U.K.'s membership of the E.U.

I was actively fighting real racism and prejudice from the age of fourteen.

Not the lily-livered, liberal apologists' version of perceived racism, that's so popular today within the ruling elite, who favour 'positive discrimination', and which ironically is actually racist by it's very concept.

This issue is frightening, not just because what's happening, and will continue to happen, but because of the inevitable rise in support there'll be for extremist political groups. Supported by ordinary people who feel so disenfranchised, and let down by mainstream political parties, who they feel have sold them down the river.

In years to come you can forget 'Rivers of blood', this will make Bosnia look like a tea party. The seas around Britain will be red with blood that's been shed.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 941452)

You carry on waving your white flag of surrender, and let others fight, for what is the only possible solution to this injustice.

Originally Posted by JCB (Post 940704)

there is a problem , a big one , not just in untying 36 years' of red tape , but in also withdrawing from all the trading agreements set up by the UK through its 36 years of EEC/EU membership

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 941441)

you are right we don't rule by referendums...we are ruled by politicians who promise one thing and then do another.......they certainly do not listen to the electorate. That was one of the reasons the last government were kicked out. They did not take into account the worries expressed by the electorate, about uncontrolled immigration.

If this government do not listen to the growing swell of concern about EU and policies that damage the fabric of our society, then they too, may face the same fate.

Originally Posted by g jones (Post 941471)

At the 2010 General Election Labour did stand on a pro EU ticket without referendum.

Originally Posted by g jones (Post 941471)

I would legitamaly anger pro EU Labour voters who quite rightly feel cheated.

Originally Posted by Taggy (Post 941481)

I will also add Graham........that the vast majority of votes cast for you at the last election were because you were a local candidate, representing local NOT NATIONAL opinion, i think you should represent that when you make your decision!..

If you disagree..please tell me why?

Best Regards - Taggy

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 941482)

I was just starting to say something along similar lines when you posted that.

Traditional local Labour voters turned their back on the party in droves. Sickened by the way the country was being run by 'New Labour', after three consecutive terms. Especially after the expenses scandals, ongoing wars, and disastrous economic policies.

Your election victory was much aided by the fact you were local, and relatively unknown, other than that of an untested politican in practical terms, who'd led the opposition on H.B.C., but mainly because the Tory's couldn't get their act together.

Which meant their candidate's campaign was very easy to rubbish. I'll hold my hands up, I did. Sometimes using snippets fed to me by yourself, but were too afraid to say publicly.

It genuinely sickens me, as stated earlier, that I'll probably be forced to vote for a single issue party at the next election, but I fear I'll have no choice.

If as you say, you vote against people being allowed their say in a referendum, you will not get my vote, and I'll do everything in my limited power to pursuade others not to do so as well.

I respect you as a person Graham, and think you're a good man, with a good heart, and have honourable intentions, but with every fibre of my body I know you are wrong on this issue, and are totally out of touch with the needs of the people you represent.

Originally Posted by g jones (Post 941471)

At the 2010 General Election Labour did stand on a pro EU ticket without referendum. Whatever my own personal views are, any shift from that would be a case of MPs promising one thing and doing another. I would legitamaly anger pro EU Labour voters who quite rightly feel cheated.