Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 947269)

Looked him up too -sorry to be sceptical -will he really be willing to give up a cushy job with all the trimmings representing the NW of England in Europe.....I wouldn't if I were a 32 yr old with political aspirations...

Originally Posted by g jones (Post 947212)

The problem for the Germans is the Mediterranean nations devalue the Deutchmark.

The problems for the Greeks as I said to Bone and Nuttall, if your a Greek with a €100k and someone whispers Drachma, you shift your Euros to a bank outside of Greece. The question is if everyone thinks the same, what happens to the Drachma and the Greek economy, Greek banks? Can any of them survive? Will the position not be cataclysmic compared to where they are now? A run on the Drachma that would resemble a run on the Zimbadwean currency?

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 947253)

You aren't the only one Cashy. It didn't take long did it?

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 947257)

I agree.

As I've said, that makes me genuinely sad.

Watched Graham's maiden speech in the Commons, again today.

In which he referred to Ken Hargreaves as being a good representative for the people of Hyndburn.

Ken's gone public, despite poor health, to say he would have been a rebel.

Knowing the democratic needs of the people he represented, were more important than party political ties.

Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 947269)

Looked him up too -sorry to be sceptical -will he really be willing to give up a cushy job with all the trimmings representing the NW of England in Europe.....I wouldn't if I were a 32 yr old with political aspirations...

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 947406)

Perhaps, perhaps not, but he's certainly worth a punt and I'll be voting for him.

What's the altenative? Vote for Con/LibDem/Lab who all want to carry on with the insane power drive towards a United States of Europe and who don't want to give us ordinary folk a say on whether we agree or not? The only other anti-EU party is the BNP who, personally, I'd never vote for in a thousand years.

I really hope there's an upsurge in electoral support for the UKIP, whatever their shortcomings, purely to give the complacent sods in the the major parties a real kick up the backside and show them that they can't take us for granted.

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 947406)

Perhaps, perhaps not, but he's certainly worth a punt and I'll be voting for him.

What's the altenative? Vote for Con/LibDem/Lab who all want to carry on with the insane power drive towards a United States of Europe and who don't want to give us ordinary folk a say on whether we agree or not? The only other anti-EU party is the BNP who, personally, I'd never vote for in a thousand years.

I really hope there's an upsurge in electoral support for the UKIP, whatever their shortcomings, purely to give the complacent sods in the the major parties a real kick up the backside and show them that they can't take us for granted.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 947410)

Their only problem is they're a one trick pony Wyn

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 947410)

Their only problem is they're a one trick pony Wyn

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 947420)

Yeh mean like you?:D

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 947421)

Mean.

Jaysay can jump, and stamp his foot.

If you reward him with an apple.

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;):D

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 947428)

Don't even jump these days:eek::D

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 947425)

I am heartened by the fact that more people are using the phrase 'United States of Europe'. When it was suggested as the real purpose behind the EU, even as recently as a year ago, the concept was decried as 'conspiracy theory'.

Some conspiracy theories appear outlandish, but some become 'conspiracy fact'.

It is reasonable to investigate to decide for yourself which are credible, and be prepared for your opinion to change in the light of new unfolding events.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 947449)

No one mentioned conspiracy theories, when Wynonie referred to the name the United States of Europe, back in 2008.

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...aty-37502.html

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 947453)

Good for him - some people 'twig it' sooner than others.
Just because people didn't shout 'conspiracy theory' doesn't indicate that they considered the concept would ever become a real possibilty.
They were just showing respect for his opinion.

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. —
Arthur Schopenhauer, German philosopher"

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 947449)

No one mentioned conspiracy theories, when Wynonie referred to the name the United States of Europe, back in 2008.

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...aty-37502.html

Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 947462)

All these united whatsits have collapsed after a time, just look at history, Roman Empire, USSR, British Commonwealth, even the United States have different laws in different states, United Arabs, United Kingdom, different laws in parts of the so called United Kingdom. Germany had an empire once. Its all about self, United States of Europe is just about France & Germany, as long as they get their way, sod every one else, its just pay & shut up.
When france was liberated in 1944, we should have kicked out the frogs, and kept for ourselves, instead of letting that back stabbing git deGaulle take over.
Retlaw.

Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 947462)

All these united whatsits have collapsed after a time, just look at history, Roman Empire, USSR, British Commonwealth, even the United States have different laws in different states, United Arabs, United Kingdom, different laws in parts of the so called United Kingdom. Germany had an empire once. Its all about self, United States of Europe is just about France & Germany, as long as they get their way, sod every one else, its just pay & shut up.
When france was liberated in 1944, we should have kicked out the frogs, and kept for ourselves, instead of letting that back stabbing git deGaulle take over.
Retlaw.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 947407)

There's enough local anger to certainly significantly split the vote, enjoyed by the main parties.

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 947417)

a big UKIP vote would split the vote for the other parties and would hopefully make them realise that they've got to start taking OUR views into account.

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 947495)

You'd like to think so wouldn't you ? But as has been proven time & time again an undesirable element raises it's head (BNP specifically) & they're (the Politicos) all hand wringing & questions, how can this happen ? Why are people voting for these abhorent extemists ? Simply because the arris 'oles won't listen to the public. So they promise change & that they'll listen & as soon as it all cools down they're back to their self serving & egomaniacal ways, more empty rhetoric & us abandoned & left with frustration & fallout.

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 947522)

While we might not be prepared to take any crap. it is still very hard to make yourself heard......the politicians know that they are in for a number of years and hope we will have forgotten their transgressions when they ask us to vote again...also they know once they are in power they can do anything they like...it doesn't really matter what promises were made before the election.

Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 947994)

The Italians seem to have no qualms about putting someone in as Prime Minister who isn't even an elected member of Parliament. Can't quite get my head around the way they do things here even after all this time...

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 948016)

And when Margaret Thatcher resigned, John Major took over the reins.....again unelected.
I can't quite remember whether he ever won an election or whether he suffered the same fate as Gordon Brown.
Post script...he did in fact win the 1992 general election.....I have just checked to see that I wasn't misleading anyone. He was still eminently forgettable...unless your name is Edwina Currie.

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 948016)

And when Margaret Thatcher resigned, John Major took over the reins.....again unelected.
I can't quite remember whether he ever won an election or whether he suffered the same fate as Gordon Brown.
Post script...he did in fact win the 1992 general election.....I have just checked to see that I wasn't misleading anyone. He was still eminently forgettable...unless your name is Edwina Currie.

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 948014)

Well, when Tony Blair left office Gordon Brown stepped into the breech....he was unelected and proved to be unelectable when the time came for the people to have their say.

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 948076)

And all the way back to Sir Alec Douglas-Home.

Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 948105)

The Germans must have worked out many years ago that taking over Europe in this way was more effective than starting their third World War in less than 100 years. It's also cheaper, whatever it costs them.
The French also must have realised that whatever it costs them it's cheaper than having the merde kicked out of them for a third time by the Germans.
As for us-one doesn't like us because we beat them, one doesn't like us because we helped them. Whatever becomes of this mess I'm confident the UK will be one of the losers!

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 948087)

Brown was at least elected as a Member of Parliament. The Italians have just appointed some bloke who's never been elected.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 948088)

Hume was that:D

Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 948273)

That was what i meant -Super Mario has never been elected by the people -he's been pushed in through the back door by President Napolitano who made him a life member of the Senate.

"Mario Monti prime minister-designate, said he would refuse to lead a government with a lifespan of less than 18 months. Deciding its duration in advance "would take credibility away from the government. I would not accept a time limit," he said.His remarks, midway through longer-than-expected consultations on his prospective administration, set him on a collision course with many on the Italian right who want a stopgap government and early elections. The current legislature is due to run until the spring of 2013, and Monti said that was the time horizon he envisaged."


It will end up being the usual Italian juggling act no doubt..nothing new!



Full article at this link:



Italy's new government struggling to balance technocrats with politicians | World news | The Guardian

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 948322)

They should bring back La Cicciolina.

Let her have a go at the Presidency.

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:rolleyes::D

Originally Posted by Benipete (Post 948327)

Or Don Corleone,Now that's an offer they can't refuse.:D

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 948322)

They should bring back La Cicciolina.

Let her have a go at the Presidency.

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:rolleyes::D

Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 948394)

She's already retired on a disgustingly high parliamentary pension like many others -being paid for by the Italian Tax-payer.... she didn't even stay in office a full term but thinks she deserves her state pension -was interviewed recently on a TV doc. about the amount that is paid out in these ridiculous pensions. She still has a penchant for that awful red lipsick that was her trade -mark and keeps on breeding pet snakes!:rolleyes::D

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 948472)

Didn't she once offer to have nooky with Colonel Gaddaffi?

I wonder if she made a foursome up with him, Tony & Cherie?

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 948479)

She famously offered to have sex with Saddam Hussein, when he wouldn't let the weapons inspectors in, and some time later, to have sex with bin Laden.

She was a politican prepared to put her self out.

:D

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 948482)

Maybe Mr Britcliffe should invite her to become the Tory candidate for Hyndburn (if it still exists), and if elected, she could go be our special foreign attache in Kashmir, have it off with everyone and yo! Problem solved!

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 956475)

It is a slow day in a little Greek Village. The rain is beating down and the streets are deserted. Times are tough, everybody is in debt, and everybody lives on credit.

On this particular day a nice english tourist stops at the local hotel and lays a €100 note on the desk, telling the hotel owner he wants to inspect the rooms upstairs in order to pick one to spend the night. The owner gives him some keys and, as soon as the visitor has walked upstairs, the hotelier grabs the €100 note and runs next door to pay his debt to the butcher.

The butcher takes the €100 note and runs down the street to repay his debt to the pig farmer.

The pig farmer takes the €100 note and heads off to pay his bill at the supplier of feed and fuel.

The guy at the Farmers' Co-op takes the €100 note and runs to pay his drinks bill at the taverna.

The publican slips the money along to the local prostitute drinking at the bar, who has also been facing hard times and has had to offer him "services" on credit. The hooker then rushes to the hotel and pays off her room bill to the hotel owner with the €100 note. The hotel proprietor then places the €100 note back on the counter so the rich traveller will not suspect anything.

At that moment the traveller comes down the stairs, picks up the €100 note, states that the rooms are not satisfactory, pockets the money, and leaves town.

No one produced anything. No one earned anything. However, the whole village is now out of debt and looking to the future with a lot more optimism. And that, Ladies and Gentlemen, is what all this euro nonsense is all about.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 956480)

Well to me Tealeaf that sums it up to me, pity the hooker didn't repay Gordon Brown or we wouldn't be in the mess we're now in:D

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 956486)

She did. But Brown then gave it to someone in Africa, who in turn bunged it in a Swiss bank account.