Greece Bailout
 

:jimbo:Wonder how many votes Greece will have before they agree the bailout proposed by EU

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It's quite funny really, we want a referendum to stop pumping money in, and they want a referendum to stop accepting it. Sounds like an easy solution to me :)

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True.

There's always a tendency towards mad, hysterical laughter.

When the lunatics have taken over the asylum.

http://annzoid.com/images/smileys/laugh_crying.gif

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Ah so you've started watching Parliament live then Rindi:D

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looks like they want to devalue their currency to become the cheapest holiday destination in the world:eek:

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Looks to me like their really in the crap n want a scapegoat.;)

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When you put it this way it really is funny:D

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Polls show that 60% of the Greek population would vote gainst the bail out package. On the other hand, 70% do not wish to leave the euro.

Experts say that if there is a NO vote in the referendum, Greece will have to leave the euro.

So the Greeks may well be voting for one thing, and actually ultimately getting what they don't want to happen.

What a mess!

:confused::confused::confused:

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Even more of a mess.

That it has anything to do with us.

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Hobsons choice - thats what democracy has been reduced to.
Maybe it is fitting that the nation who invented democracy witness the death of it.

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Well it didn't work in this country when Wilson devalued the pound in 67;)

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There is more to this referendum than immediately meets the eye. It appears that the Greek PM was pushing through the law which permits referenda, last summer. At the same time he was huddled around the table with Merkel and Sarkozy arranging the bail out. The inference being that he planned this all along. Either he is trying to shaft the Germans for what they did in the war or he is trying to ratchet up the size of the haircut the banks will have to take, or both - hell, why not. It's not as though they have much to loose now.

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I smell another coup.

Could have the gun-toting Generals back in charge by Christmas.

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No chance, chuck. They sacked all the heads of the armed forces and replaced them with pro government officers just after the referendum was announced.

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Here, lads, how about this for an MP:

Eva Kaili : In pics: The hottest female politicians - Photogallery - World - IBNLive

Dodgy Greek parasite or not, she'd get my vote.

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Really T! If I shoved a couple of balloons up my cardi and a mop on my head I would probably get your vote too.

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She could always try to bribe me with some of her charms....

Here's another 'un, this time a Krout:

http://ibnlive.in.com/photogallery/3188-19.html

Her name is Ms Bonk. How apt! Quite honestly though, I'd rather have some of this lot sitting in the Commons rather than the shower we have now. At least they'd provide a bit of ornament which would be of more use than the current mob.

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Oh I don't know, red ed with his camel nose stirs the juices, and you know what they say about men with big noses... come to think of it our Graham has nothing to be shy about in the nasal department either.

Look, this is disgraceful! I've only been back five minutes and we have descended to double entendres already. Neil is going to skin me alive.

Actually, come to think of it, I have never met Neil, does he have a big nose?

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Sorry, too late to edit my silly mistake.

That should read ' the gun-toting Nana Mouskouri'.

:o

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I have.

It's much bigger than his cock.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...U3SLmJYwH0StdT

Have you been to Pets Corner in Rhyddings Park yet?

Neil's very proud of li'l Colin.

:D

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I once said he reminded me of a Bumblie (as devised by Michael Bentine);)
http://www.turnipnet.com/whirligig/t...s/bumblies.htm

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Aaargh long depressing Sunday Evenings watching Nana Mouskouri on the old 625 line tv.
Oh God I feel so... so.... so Old.

Thank you very much Rindy. Perhaps you would like to comment on the wrinkles too and really make my day?

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Whom? Ed, Graham or Neil?

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Neil !

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Ohhhhhh! reallllllly. I have just done a quick google. If he is anything like a bumblie this is one man I have to meet.

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Ya if there was a choice her or Harriet Harman, Harriet would be an also ran:rolleyes:

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Hang on a bit Bob I don't think Tealeafs eye sights that bad:D

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She always was, in my book.

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I take it you haven't seen Hazel Blear's spread?

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One day I will post a picture of my alter ego, Miss Burgundy Skies, and you will eat your words.

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Is It referendums or referenda? You decide.

Sorry I for got you're not allowed to.:hehetable

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Should I start a poll?

So we can at least vote in that, and give our opinion as to which is right.

:rofl38::rofl38:

:rolleyes::D

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Oxford English Dictionary:

"Referendums is logically preferable as a plural form meaning ballots on one issue (as a Latin gerund, referendum has no plural). The Latin plural gerundive referenda, meaning things to be referred, necessarily connotes a plurality of issues."

You decide. :D

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I'm just glad the public are clamouring to vote in a referendum regarding European Union membership, and it isn't anything to do with a cactus.

That could get very confusing.

Especially if there was more than one.

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So, logically, it seems to me that in a law to permit holding any number of referendums on any number of issues either as single issues or multiples issues the referendum is more poperly referred to as referenda.

That having been settled to my satisfaction at least I am now ready to move on.



NEXT !

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Nor do I want too;)

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I was even going to take the staples out of her spread, so as not to spoil you're enjoyment.

Guess I won't bother now.

Just pop it back on the shelf, with my other copies of No Expenses Spared Tufty's Wives Monthly.

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She should have been shelved a long time ago;)

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Looks like the Greeks are shrinking back from a referendum now.

The French and Germans have told them that the only referendum they should hold is whether or not to stay in the euro.

And they won't give them any cash pending the outcome. And the talk seems now to be switching to throwing the Greeks out of the euro.

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Don't think they had much of a choice gynn, because if they had decided not to take the bail out then they would have been kicked out of the Euro

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I have read that the Greek wealthy who evaded tax are busy sending their money into Swiss bank accounts.

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It all just seems such a mess, and so unnecessary.

All they need to do is to think more like 'Internationlists', and everything will be hunky-dory once more.

John Lennon - Give Peace A Chance - YouTube

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That has been going on for the last year or so Margaret. So much so that the Swiss were begining to panic the inflow into Swiss Francs was so high. It was making Swiss exports prohibitatively expensive. So now the Greek wealthy have switched their attention to the London Property Market. It is one of the reasons why London's house prices are continuing to climb.

Also did you hear the one about there being more registered porsche's in Greece than there are people who are registered as earning over 50,000 euros pa?

This is all going to end in so many tears for so many people.

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Rindy's tip of the day.

Sell, sell, sell feta.

Buy, buy, buy Toblerone.

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What's your position on Olive Oil, hun?

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That's a slippy one.

I'd probably take the missionary position.

Pour it down the drain, and encourage the fuzzy-wuzzies to use dripping, sparingly.

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But is that still applicable if its virgin olive oil Rindi:rolleyes:

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I'm starting to wonder what all the fuss is about. So what if the Greeks leave the Eurozone, or the EU for that matter. They go back to the Drachma ... it's a little more difficult to spell, but it won't make much difference. I mean, how much more of a mess can there economy be in? Seems llike the ones taking the biggest beating ... sorry, the new buzzword is "haircut" ... are the banks:eek: Well boo hoo. That really depresses me:rolleyes: Oh, and the Krauts will be po'd. And in this kinder, gentler, more politically correct century, they won't be able to jackboot their way into Greece, and line up naughty Greeks against the wall and shoot them.

I wonder what kind of state Greece would be in if they hadn't have joined up in the first place?

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i think more countries shoudl leave the EU because everything got more expensive on holiday as soon as they switched to the euro

if we cant get a democratic vote to leave the EU then the next best thing is every single other country leaves it :D

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Of course false accounting by the Greek government and their dubious dealings with Goldman Sachs had nothing at all to do with the problems we are all facing now.:rolleyes::mad:

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And now Italy:eek: It's not worth a new thread; same shlt, different location. But guess what boys and girls, brace yourselves, Merkel is saying that the only solution to economic collapse is more political integration ... A united Europe under German leadership perhaps ... mmm, wasn't that tried a couple of times in the last century:rolleyes::D

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It certainly looks like we are heading that way,even Camerans promise that any more changes to the current treaty would lead to a referendum has been changed to "Any major changes":confused:

So keep chipping away at our democracy a bit at a time and no one will notice.:mad::mad:

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Considering what happened in North American Stock Markets yesterday, "major changes" are inevitable. In fact, if the Italian situation deteriorates ... and what else can it do .... the whole Eurozone is in deep doo doo. But it's all up to Merkel and Sarkozy ... seems like you guys don't rate.:rolleyes:

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UK rally hampered by low trade with Europe | Business

Italy debt crisis: Compared to this, Greece was just a sideshow | Mail Online

The situations worsens daily.

Britain continues to suffer, and continues to pays handsomely for the privilege of suffering.

:mad:

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Greece, Italy Portugal, Ireland what the hell would we want to stay in any relationship either political or trade wise, its just a recipe for financial disaster

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Check out Professor Mario Monti - Economist, Rector of the Bocconi Uni. of Milan, convinced of the validity of the Eurozone.

Not an elected member of the Italian parliament but made a Life Senator yesterday in a manoeuvre by President Napolitano which sees him as a likely successor to Berlusconi as PM when he steps down.

Berlusconi was noticeable by his absence today -apparently his doctors have ordered him to rest for health reasons.

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No doubt he'll have some young lady mopping his fevered brow mobertol;):rolleyes::D

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More than one by all accounts...

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No wonder he needs the rest:D:D

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Keeps going by taking the blue pills apparently...

Watch the first 30 seconds of the following, very funny-the rest will be incomprehensible!

Berlusconi, il vizietto e il viagra - YouTube

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Hey, what about us poor Canadians? If Eurp and the yanks can't get their shlt together, our economy may start to slow down:mad::D

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Heard through family today that things are starting to hit in NZ too so I imagine Canada will feel it one way or the other Eric, seems inevitable.

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But we will be so busy trying to keep warm that we won't notice it:D

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Yes, well the fact that this man is convinced of the validity of the Eurozone will make him a favourite puppet for Merkel and Sarkozy to manipulate...and therefore welcomed with open arms.
How can anyone be convinced of the validity of the Eurozone after the schmozzle that has gone on over the last few months?

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I had to smile this morning the BBC had Alistair Darling on Breakfast TV giving his opinion about the euro zone crisis, that's a bit like asking Dracula what he thinks about the blood transfusion service

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This is a listing of the Greek austerity measures which are in the process of being introduced:

Greece: List of new austerity measures

I am completely baffled as to why the word 'austerity' is being used. If these policies were to be implemented in the UK economy, most people would think Christmas has come early.

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Think that's why he's been shuffled in so quickly -he's going to have lunch with Berlusconi tomorrow so maybe Silvio will be out on his ear quicker than expected....

VAT has just been put up to 21% here -that should help get the economy moving and boost sales just before Xmas:rolleyes:

Love the word Schmozzle Margaret -it's a new one to me, but sounds very apt!:)

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:dflam:Poor beggars.

Fancy being forced to work until you're 65 to qualify for a pension.

No wonder they're trying to oppose these measures.

:rolleyes:

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The problem for the Germans is the Mediterranean nations devalue the Deutchmark.

The problems for the Greeks as I said to Bone and Nuttall, if your a Greek with a €100k and someone whispers Drachma, you shift your Euros to a bank outside of Greece. The question is if everyone thinks the same, what happens to the Drachma and the Greek economy, Greek banks? Can any of them survive? Will the position not be cataclysmic compared to where they are now? A run on the Drachma that would resemble a run on the Zimbadwean currency?

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Deutschmark?

Drachma?

:confused:

What about the guilder, florin, and groat?

How are they affected by the financial meltdown, we're seeing on mainland Europe?

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It is all academic really. So much money has been put into saving (or trying to save) the Eurozone when it all looks doomed to fail.
This situation has been dragging on and on, with, it seems no real decisive action. No leadership. Europe has dragged the global economy to the brink. Lost organisations billions of pounds....and for what? So that something that only France and Germany seem to truly want, can remain in place.
If the people of these struggling economies were to be consulted,many of them would happily go back to their own currencies, devalue them and possibly leave the EU.
The EU is crumbling before our eyes, the common people can see it, but the politicians cannot. Isn't it time these politicians took a reality check?

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I'm not being unnecessarily picky, honest, but I've read this at least five times, and can't make neither head nor tail of it.

It's one of the most bizarre posts ever made, in the history of Accy Web.

What does it mean?

More detail might help, re: Bone, and Nuttall, for those not in such exalted positions of political power, who probably haven't a clue who you're referring to.

Folks round here are more likely to work in packing, than in palaces.

What might make perfect sense in the Palace of Westminster, doesn't up here.

I'm guessing to most of your constituents, certainly to me, it's about as clear as mud.

:confused:

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And there I was thinking I was thick.
Thanks G....it makes little sense to me either.....I just thought I was having a grey moment.

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Besides, most of us here aren't really interested in debating what might happen if Greece are thrown out of the Euro zone, and the effect this might have on the German economy.

We might have given a toss, if we felt what we think actually mattered.

We now know it doesn't.

That, at least, you made perfectly clear.

When you voted against us, your constituents, being allowed the democratic right to have our say in an E.U. referendum.

:mad:

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As an ex civil servant I am used to waffle talk more than most.
He uses obscure language to warn of the collapse of greek banks.
The poor sods who have savings will lose them.

I've never heard of Bone and Nuttall, but will do a name drop of my own - Gerald Celente.

The collapse of ALL banks is imminent.
If you have savings, spend most of it on what you long for most.
If this doesn't leave enough left for the undertaker, so what ! - nobody gets left on top.:D

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I think we could do with a phrase book.

The Dictionary of Elitist Political Clap-Trap, published by Islington Press, might help.

We might even find out who this EdM is, Graham keeps lovingly referring to.

I'll go and order a copy, we can all share, right now.

;)

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The Greeks defaulted three times on their debts in the nineteenth century and again in 1932 (I think ... I'm trying not to use google while I still have a memory. Anyone wishing precision should visit it ... google that is, not my memory:D) ... and Greece is still there. The question of capital fleeing the country is not a new one. It happenend in France (pre we- adore -our -German -brothers -and -sisters France) in the 20s ... the "right" used this as a threat to control govt. policy. This is detailed in William Shirer's "Collapse of the Third Republic." However, this could have been stopped, and the current Greek govt. could stop it in Greece, if the govt. had had the balls to legislate barriers to stop the flight of money.

The point I am trying to suggest is that those predicting a cataclysm, rather than a recession that will pass as European economies readjust to the demise of Euro in Greece, Italy, and perhaps Spain and Portugal are merely employing scare tactics ... an attempt to frighten the gullible into supporting not only the Euro, but also closer and deeper political union ... "Closer and deeper" mmm, sounds like someone is going to get uh, you know, one of the seven dirty words. And that "someone" is joe public.

I think it has come to the point where politicians, unable to sell the benefits of the Eurozone and the EU, are attempting to frighten people by suggesting that any questioning of those benefits will lead to chaos, and an economic dark age.

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Maybe it was David Nuttall and Peter Bone.......I have found references to them in Hansard.....but without any real connection the the Greek Bailout.

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You know Eric, I have been saying this for some time now...not in so many words.
I have said those who tell us that leaving the EU will be catastrophic for the Uk are just using scare tactics to justify inactivity....and remaining with the dangerous status quo....and the status quo puts our economy and the global economy at risk too.There can be no solution to this Eurozone problem without closer financial union, deeper political ties. This is something the people of the UK need to recognise. Do we really want Brussels to be setting our budgets? Do we want unelected bureaucrats to be determining our everyday laws?
I know what my answer to this is.

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This all comes down to revenge.

For the Germans having to take a wheelbarrow full of wonga, to buy a loaf of bread, in the years following the Treaty of Versailles.

Well from where I'm sat, revenge stinks.

Even if it smells sweet in Berlin.

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To be perfectly frank,whilst bemused, i thought he was pished when he posted that.:confused::rolleyes: if not we were being spoken "Down" to.

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Silvio Berlusconi has resigned......this leaves the way clear for the technocrat Mario Monti to take over the reins...of course he is the preferred choice of Sarkozy and Merkel.

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Perhaps Graham's been chatting to that MEP from UKIP, Paul Nuttall.

The one who wrote to the Accrington Observer the other week.

We know Graham's very pro the E.U.

Perhaps Graham's a friend, or a fan.

Perhaps Graham's lobbying him for a direct rail service from Brussells to Accy.

You could spin a lot of imaginary jobs out of that one, if this is the case.

:rolleyes:

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I honestly thought that.

We'll let him off...if he hopefully is pie-eyed.

:cheers:

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Oh could be G.......I had quite forgotten about Paul Nuttall.

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The problem fer Graham "As i see it" is i fear he's losing touch wi the people of his constituency.:eek:

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You aren't the only one Cashy. It didn't take long did it?

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I haven't.

Very nice man.

Quite straightforward, and honest...for a politican.

'As a UKIP MEP, Paul’s mandate is to do himself and every other British MEP out of a job by helping to get the UK out of the costly and undemocratic European Union.'
About Paul | Paul Nuttall MEP | UKIP MEP for the North West of England

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I have just been looking at his details G....seems to have his head screwed on right.

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I agree.

As I've said, that makes me genuinely sad.

Watched Graham's maiden speech in the Commons, again today.

In which he referred to Ken Hargreaves as being a good representative for the people of Hyndburn.

Ken's gone public, despite poor health, to say he would have been a rebel.

Knowing the democratic needs of the people he represented, were more important than party political ties.

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Seems to be.

You never can tell.

Can but hope.

:rolleyes:

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Well i just read the geezers details n he certainly seems more in line wi the ordinary persons line of thought,than any of those wasters in the main 3 parties,i will certainly delve more into UKIP, oer the next few months, they may even compel me to return to voting.

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Looked him up too -sorry to be sceptical -will he really be willing to give up a cushy job with all the trimmings representing the NW of England in Europe.....I wouldn't if I were a 32 yr old with political aspirations...

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But - if UKIP succeed in getting us out of the EU, those UKIP MEPS will get elected to OUR parliament by landslides

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That we can agree on.;)

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Sorry but that's a bit simplistic to sat the least...:rolleyes:

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Pigs might fly ...or witches on broomsticks....!

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Doubt if its as simple as yeh think, i would say the majority of the british public "Loathe" the E.U.;)I would also think the party leaders are of the same mind,hence the reason M.P.s were put under pressure wi 3 line whips etc, in that vote.

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Most of the European public too Olly - it's just not as simple as saying we've had enough let's leave the club unfortunately.
30% of 18 -25 yr olds in Italy are out of work with NO benefits or job-seekers allowance and many are leaving the country -they say it will take a generation at least to get over this...

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When the EU disintegrates those young folk will no longer have the right to work in those other (ex)EU countries, so they might as well stay home to participate in a non violent revolution and/or grow food for barter.