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This government are hell bent on pushing through what they call "reforms" to the NHS.. most of these "reforms" involve transfers of tax payers money into private companies.. it's the same old song that the private sector will do a better job and are to be trusted with our taxes and contributions. nurses don't want it, doctors don't want it.



BBC News - Plans for NHS in England an unholy mess, say journals

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We don't want it

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No and we did not want the PFI joke over seen by your mates, you know the Last Labour Government. But the One eyes Scot did just that, giving the country a ticking time bomb.
But I forget you have a short term memory, anything between May 1997 and May 2010 you cannot remember......

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I saw the editor of one of these journals on TV this morning all the hall marks of a left wing oik

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I think the NHS needs some change but maybe the Tories will be changing it in favour of private enterprise and not with the end user the patient in mind!

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If you read that statement back you MAYBE see what a total load of rubbish it is

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My personal experience with the NHS was a disgrace and made me realise that NHS needs change. This is partly because Doctors generally seem to think they know better! They don't always and should consider the patient - I've heard many many reports of Doctors being incompetent and the complaints procedure is inadequate! Are the tories going to change this? Probably not!

But they will change it so that private companies can make a lot of money!

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Please elaborate were they will make these changes, always remembering that I've been treated by the NHS a hell of a site more than I would have like over the last 30 years, and but for those doctors, who you seem to think don't know what they are doing, I wouldn't have been here today. There are changes needed, we might start by removing the army of pen pushers who are now employed, a ratio of 1000 clinicians to 998 pen pushers, you tell me where else in the world would this be deemed acceptable to run any successful type of service, its a recipe for disaster. The last time I was in hospital in 2009, on admittance to the ward the sister sent around half an hour filling out a questionnaire about me, which ranged from if I could make a cuppa to did I wear a watch. When I ask what the reason for this "new" idea, she just shrugged her shoulders and said, suppose it keeps somebody busy down London

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If you have had a bad experience of the NHS then you should follow the complaints procedure.

You say that the complaints procedure is inadequate, but you don't elaborate and tell us in what way it is inadequate.

Doctors are regulated by the General Medical Council....and if your complaint is about a doctor then you should complain to them giving full details, I can assure you that the complaint will be full investigated.

Many of the problems beset by the NHS are due to politicians (who know nothing about how the service should be run) meddling...introducing Market forces, targets, tick lists. Since when have patients been tins of beans?

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Think the main problem is to much red tape Margaret, one example is in my earlier post, what the hell it had to do with my care and treatment while in hospital god only knows, but it did take half and hour to complete and tied the ward sister up when she could have been doing other things, multiply that by all the patients admitted and it mounts up to a lot of wasted time, and for what, to keep some civil servant in a job evaluating them:mad:

Another thing that came in around 2009 was the paperwork that ambulance drivers had to fill in when carrying patients on oxygen (in triplicate)yet again some bright spark justifying their telephone number salary and that's just the tip of the iceberg, the rain forests have lost loads of trees to furnish all the new paperwork introduce over the last decade and for why:mad:

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I have been through the complaints procedure and it is basically a whitewash.

There is this belief in society that just because someone is a GP or Doctor that they know better, in the extreme i say, look at Dr Shipman! Ok that is an extreme. But it shows that people don't question someone because they are a doctor.

Then when you complain they tend to back each other up as do Police and all these organisations.

Anyone see the Channel 4 program Dispatches; Can you trust your Doctor?

Dispatches - Can You Trust Your Doctor? - Channel 4

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Think your scraping the barrel and clutching at straws when you mention Shipman. It want be long before you have a confederate to back you up though, I'm waiting with baited breath:rolleyes:

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Having worked in the NHS and with many doctors over 30 years of service I would take issue with you on that.
In the past people would not question their doctor, believing him to have the better knowledge. That just is not the case today.
The general public are far more vocal about their care and the choices they have in that care. Not only that GP's ask your opinion on what is being done.......or at least mine does. In years gone by this would have been unthinkable

If you find yourself in the position of being cared for by a doctor that you have no faith in, then the answer is in your own hands......change your Doctor.
There are good doctors, bad doctors and indifferent doctors.(and some of the indifference is caused by the system - no continuity, you may see a different GP each time you visit the practice. How can someone have any interest in your care when they don't know anything about you? It isn't like years ago when your GP would deliver you and look after you for the whole of your life. That is the fault of the SYSTEM, not the Doctor)

Harold Shipman was a Doctor who should have been weeded out long before he got to the stage that he did. Being a single Doctor Practice meant that he had no-one monitoring his actions.
I know that there are still single Doctor practices out there but they are in a minority.
I am pretty sure that after the Shipman enquiry recommendations were made about death certification and how this is done.

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Quite right, they say Jack the Ripper was a doctor or surgeon!

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To those of you who believe the NHS is a mess and a Joke...... Try this.
Go to Africa, not deep, Morocco will do, get ill as I did, I slipped a disc in my back and then see if you complain....
For information, I was carried down 10 flights of stairs, all the time in acute agony with by back, put into a old mercedes estate/ambulance and driven to a clinic for a scan. The scanner was brand new but we were in a shed, then back in the car to a private clinic, after 3 hours of the most intense pain I have ever experienced, i was finally given a shot of pain killer.
Two days later and over £1800.00 I was released, I still was not right.

Compared to one of our cabin crew who did a similar thing on the way back from Turkey last month. When we arrived we had a ambulance meet us, with in 10 mins she was out of pain, taken straight to hospital, 4 days later went home and is seeing a consultant and physio. Cost £0.00

We do not know we are born in the UK, I have spent many years abroad and even today carry a spare sharps and medical giving kit in my case, you never know.
The NHS is bloated with too many managers, just like most of our governmental departments, but it is far better than the alternative.

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Even "civilised" countries like the USA do not offer it's citizens what the UK (and much of Europe) has. As highlighted by BG, if you don't have the wherewithall to pay in many countries -you keep your bad back, don't get your cancer treated and if you're a woman giving birth and don't have health insurance in America you get sent back out into the street!

If, as has been written on the Olympic Farrago thread, some people are worried that the Olympics will be seen by some as a health tourism opportunity, then from the outside looking in, the NHS is seen very differently to the way it's often portrayed here -I suppose it's all relative. If you are used to a 3 hour drive to get to a wooden hut - a local fully equipped hospital looks pretty damn good.

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Bring back the Matrons and get rid of the beaurocrats and hangers on.

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Same old Tories, can't be trusted with the NHS.

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Max, they brought back the matrons, but it was just another layer of management.
The Salmon Report in 1966 changed the management structure of Nursing.
One Matron, who would oversee the whole hospital was replaced by Nursing Officers (one for each specialty) So what had been done by one woman was now going to be done by many(a lot of them career nursing men - not that interested in looking after patients, but more interested in climbing the career ladder)........and the management pyramid has continued to expand from there.......all of it costing more and not much of it benefitting the patient.

Any nurse who transgressed(broke a thermometer, ran in a corridor) was summoned by Matron for a dressing down.
Now, I want to tell you that this was before my time as a nurse, but a very good friend of mine became a cadet, then a nurse, while the Matron system was still in operation.
She remembers being summoned to Matron Knavesy for breaking a large Winchester bottle of cleaning fluid - her pay was docked by one shilling.
Matron had the power in those days.
The Modern Matrons were just a sop to public opinion....the public thought that bringing back the matron would cure the ills in the NHS.....no such luck. Giving someone a fancy title doesn't make things better if you give them little power to go with the title.

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And what did labour do..... PFI was a disaster. We will be paying for it for the next 50 years at least.
Take politics out of this and look at the real world, rather than your rose tinted socialist worker

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And which government was that then.....
Harold Wilson, Labour....
they are all the same

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Don't feel so smug.
And Labour couldn't either. They saddled the communities and NHS trusts with the PFI. Building hospitals with private money and then charging the trusts an indeterminate amount(for an indeterminate period) to lease them back(at great profit to the private company).......making the trusts buy services from the private company at exorbitant costs, so that something like changing a light bulb costs £400.......£400 which could have been spent on life saving drugs or treatment for a patient(maybe your mother or your father).

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Margaret, is that an actual charge? If so do you know any others?
I was going to say 'I don't believe it' but I can.What a scandal!
Mind you if HBC can cost mending an allotment tap at £500 it seems quite reasonable.

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Same old Toffee Guy,I wouldn't trust you to Boil N Egg.:rolleyes:

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In 2009:-

The average wait for a hip operation has come down to 12 weeks from 30 in two years.


The wait from being sent to a specialist by a GP and treatment was just 8.6 weeks.


And for a cataract operations it was 10 weeks, having come down from 20 in two years.


In 2009 :-


Nick Bosanquet, Professor of Health Policy at Imperial College, London acknowledged spending billions had reduced waiting lists.


Touche!

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Do you know what the actual work done was or are you just quoting the one line description from the accounts sheet?

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BBC Sept 2011
Unison
BBC News November 2011

The websites:
BBC News - Hospitals 'struggling with NHS mortgage repayments'

UNISON Private Finance Initiative (PFI) | the public service union

BBC News - Chancellor George Osborne set to 'reassess' PFI

Sorry to paste and copy, I know that's our dog stabbers modus operandi.

Yes PFI was introduced by the John Major Conservative Government, but Gordon ran with it and made it his own.

your move

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just a thought, Unison are a supporter of the Labour party, now why would they say anything against them

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PFI? How else is a government expected to find the money for new hospitals when most people would rather have a nice holiday or buy a new car instead of stumping up a bit more tax.

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Speak for yourself.
Maybe if a government made taxation fairer for all, say pay nothing under £10,000. Then everyone pays 25%. No loop holes. Perhaps you would get more raised.
Then again fair means those more well off must get squeezed.

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Why should we always have to pay more tax?

How about Government living within its means for a change! How about it doing what it says on the tin, instead of pursuing political flights of fancy, Stroking their own ego's and funding the workshy?

When are people going to wake up and see what is happening to the country?

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Here's another profession, who think they always know best, pilots.

Despite all the studying and examinations, every fool knows they don't always know best, and really the plane would be in much safer hands, if control of the cockpit was handed over to Betty from Barnsley....just as soon as she's sobered up.

If someone's still unhappy with the NHS, after following the correct procedues that are in place, perhaps they should post all the relevant details here.

We can then all decide if their moaning is justified, and that indeed, they do have a withered leg to stand on.

Of course they would, (what a no brainer),
If they have earned their money and paid their fair share of taxes why should they do without what they can afford just because the beurocrats are useless at using the taxes correctly?

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Don't pay him any attention.

Uncle Joe's Sticky Mint Ball is probably one of those fools who live by always paying exorbitant credit charges, if he thinks PFIs are a wise move on the government's part.

Live like a king for a day.

Don't worry about not having a pot to pee in, tomorrow.

It takes all sorts.

Though I fear some of those sorts should really be kept in a secured ward somewhere, for their own safety.

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Nah we got rid of the secure hospitals, care in the community.

I wonder if my passengers would like to let me know what decent speed we should use? 290kts or 320 kts!

Anything over 30 M.P.H. will suck the air out of your lungs, espescially if you fly with the window open.

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Where is the little man with the red flag to walk in front when you need him? This country is going to the dogs.

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There he goes again.

Showing off.

Thinking he knows best, just as doctors do.

:rolleyes:

As I always say, when it comes to actually living with Parkinson's, I'm the expert.

However, when it comes to deciding the finely balanced treatment I receive, that mean's I'm able to function as best I can, I'll leave that to my neurologist.

Who seems more than qualified to decide what's best for me, after consulting me, and my opinion.

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I heard he'd moved, to somewhere in London.

Westminster, I think.

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Yes, it is an actual charge. It was in one of the online newspapers that I read either last week or the week before. It was used as an example of how the PFI is robbing hospitals of money that should be being used for patient care.

It went on to say that providers of the PFI can charge pretty much what they want and the hospital cannot shop around for cheaper services because this was part of the PFI deal

All together now,

'We'll keep the red flag flying here'.

When it comes to a sing song, you can't beat the classics.

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PFI was used as a political tool. It made it look like the benificent governments were giving these facilities to the communities(I think that some schools were also built using PFI).
It was certainly never made clear to these communities the true cost of having these brand new facilities.

I know this to be true because when the new shiny RBH was in its planning stage I asked how it was to be funded.
I was horrified when I found out.......and asked why anyone in their right mind would take on a mortgage that they didn't know how much it would cost in interest...or how long that mortgage would run for....and to hear that the PFI provider could(and would) run vital services at inflated costs filled me with disgust. I was told that it was political and to keep my mouth shut.

The government levy taxes from the population in all ways...those levied for road fund licence for instance, never find their way to being spent on the roads.

There are other ways to raise money to build hospitals and schools....or medical equipment for that matter.

I have done my fair share of fund raising for the MRI Scanner which was housed at BRI and my own unit did much work in raising funds for a baby scanner too.
If you can't buy something then you make do with what you have got until you can afford it....you do not go into hock and keep yourself in hock for generations to come.
It is called living within your means.....but governments know very little about that concept.
Pensioners could teach them a thing or two ...if only they would listen.

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Yes you can. I always find a cricket bat studded with six inch nails to be most effective.

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Improved hospital environment - but at what cost?

'How many people does it take to fit an air freshener in a Cumbrian hospital?

Sadly the answer to that question isn’t known. But what is clear, is that the trust which runs the Cumberland Infirmary in Carlisle and Whitehaven’s West Cumberland Hospital shelled out £75 to have one installed.

Other maintenance costs between 2008 and 2011 include -
£100 to move a leaflet rack,
£466 to replace a light fitting,
£450 to install a smoke alarm in a stationary cupboard,
£106.50 to change taps on a wash basin.

“So often the contracts of PFI have been poorly negotiated. We end up with a system where it does cost hundreds of pounds to change a light bulb.”

Heralded as a flagship hospital, the Cumberland Infirmary building off Newtown Road was opened by the then Prime Minister, Tony Blair.

It made NHS history in April 2000 as the first in a group of 16 new hospitals paid for and owned by a PFI consortium.'

News & Star | News | News Focus | Cumberland Infirmary delivers an improved hospital environment - but at what cost?

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I like the new verse that our Graham added as soon as he got to the big city, The working class can kiss my ass I've got the bosses job at last:rolleyes:

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No, future generations will have enough on their plates paying for the banking crisis, the bailouts the Quantitative Easing and the Foreign Aid budget. Not to mention Climate Change and Carbon Free Economy.

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Red?

Sorry, must get new glasses.

The little man I was thinking of, goes around waving a blue flag, with gold stars on it.

In a world of his own.

Bless him.

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Um carbon free economy, looks like you'll have to give up smoking Bob:D

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Yes, I think it is what the Chinese call 'living in interesting times'.
Our children and grandchildren, and probably their grandchildren will be paying the interest for all this senseless financial squandering.

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There's no need to sound so gleeful about it, Jay. You can be a very hard man sometimes. and you know what they say about them...:)

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we take the nhs for granted .tory or labour or any other political persuation we should be very worried about these changes .i for one dont want to give the health insurance companies my hard earned cash.it is the end of the nhs as we know it.a nhs run by private equity firms which will charge to make a profit for the shareholder no way but we do nothing except sit in and watch the telly.these people are opertunists cameron and co making money for their mates.they are not even real tories.

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And your not even a real socialist, your far too thick

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But as a state run monopoly it doesn't work either, it costs too much and is too inefficient and unresponsive to the needs of patients. So, my blinkered socialist friend, if you were the Secretary of State how would you solve the problem that is the NHS?

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I wouldn't worry too much.

After you've gained independence, your health service will consist of a woman called Bridie.

With only a bottle of whisky, some plasters, and 20 Woodbine, in the basket on the front of her bike.

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Don't forget the little wire brush and the bottle of Dettol:rolleyes:

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Hell Bob they had 13 years and the only thing they came up with was a load of red tape and Billions wasted on PFI:mad:

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It is only courteous to give them the time and space to prove that they do not have the answer to the problem either.

There are some who say why be courteous to the left wing, they would not accord you the same courtesy. My answer is, as always, because I was brought up to be a gentleman, the left wing's tragedy is that they do not recognise the concept.

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Nice one Bob;)

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lol:D man in the mirror. i actually agreed with your earlier post this is beyond politics. i dont want it to end up the american way, i would like to think the british public would be better than that and let cameron and co know.

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It is not just Cameron and Co, as you put it, who need to be informed though is it? It is the unions and the Labour Party. because as sure as eggs are eggs, come the next election Ed Milli will be crowing about how much more money they would throw at the NHS were they to be elected. So unprincipled are our politicians become, that they will promise the earth to whomever they think might give them the keys to Downing Street.

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British?

Cameron?

You made your choice.

Woof!

It's Scottish, and wee Jimmy Krankie, or whoever the leader is of the SNP, for you.

http://images.paraorkut.com/img/emot...unning-186.gif

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Hmm, and if independance is won then I think that even dettol and a wire brush might be a tad too high tech and expensive for the Scottish NHS. Shame that, you'll all probably have to resort to health tourism. Either way, we will still end up having to pay for you.

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. alex salmond is a fantasist and an idiot.im proud to be scottish and british;) im not into george galloway but i think hes got a point here
George Galloway vs 2 pro-Scottish independence callers - YouTube

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George Galloway? Is that the same George Galloway who was filmed crawling up Saddam Husseins backside? You know, the one who was also filmed and broadcast on national television pretending to be Rula Lenska's pussycat. If he has the solution to any problem I would just as soon run him over with a steamroller, if its all the same to you.

We were discussing politics, not showbusiness. Do try to keep to the subject.

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I EXPLAINED IM NOT INTO HIM BUT HE HAS A VALID POINT HERE:confused: did you listen to what was said:confused::confused:

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It is rude to shout.

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And I, at some length, tried to point out that George Galloway never had a point worth considering that wasn't either trivial, bought, or just plain wrong! Quite often all three at the same time.

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C'mon is easily influenced by the smoke and mirrors.

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Hmmm, I wonder what is in the smoke?

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Your guess is as good as mine...probably better, seeing as I led such a sheltered life:)

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You should try Irvine Welch's novel "Trainspotting". It will supply all the eye opening that you can handle.:D

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I think I tried reading it some years ago...before my narrow waist and broad mind swapped places.........not my cup of tea at all.

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You need to rediscover your inner teen, Margaret. Rindy and me will have to take you out clubbing one weekend.:mosher:

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Can I come, I promise not to act like Begbie....

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D'you know A-B .........I don't think I ever was a teen......chronologically yes, but spiritually and psychologically I never passed muster.
The thought of going clubbing with you and Rindy....well, I have a very pictorial imagination and it paints quite a surreal picture for me.
Can we do it in the afternoon though? I like to be home and the doors locked by the time it gets dark. Yes.....I know......sad is what I am :)

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Oh well if mohamed won't go to the mountain then...

I'll get rindy to load the sound system into the van and we'll come calling. Would you mind if we brought boeing guy too, we'll make him stand on a newspaper, he'll be no trouble, honest.

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You are a determined trio aren't you?
I'm sure Si(boeing guy) will not need to stand on paper.
:)

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It's funny, I never considered being a teenager as something either spiritual or psychological. But I suppose it must be. I remember it being much more hormonal and rebellious. lots of sulking, big dreams and too much lager. Emotions always very close to the surface, no sense of danger and a longing for independance. But then thats just me. I was always a difficult child.

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Health insurance companies? Have you even read about the reforms? Stop scaring people.

'The end of the NHS as we know it', what a load of guff. It'll still be free at the point of use, based on need not ability to pay.

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Listen, two raspberryades and that one is out of control. we may even have to bring the polythene sheets.

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hello Andrew, I don't think we've met or crossed quills yet. What's your take on being a teenager?

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Stop fretting.

We won't becoming home in the dark.

It'll be broad daylight, by the time comes to hit the hay.

;):D

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I started my teens aged twelve, when I first started clubbing.

It did slow down a tad when I hit forty.

Though still managing the odd seventy two hour party, there's still no sign as to when they may end.

:D

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TOGA TOGA TOGA.....
just make sure you keep me away for the Tizer, or i'm done for

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ramsay healthcare;) etc

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True..the NHS will still be "free" at the point of use.. but much more of the taxes and national Insurance paid will go into the private sector companies.
Whatever the last government did by involving private health companies into the NHS is chicken feed compared to what this government are about to do.. the Tories have hated the NHS from the first and Cameron is the closet they have ever had to achieve the goal of taxes paid by the public to go into private business.
It seems the "majority" of Accyweb agree with the government.

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I don't quite know how you come to the conclusion that the majority of Accyweb agree with the government. Maybe it is what you like to believe, but just because you believe it, it doesn't make it true.

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I've often wonder that myself, must be good stuff though kind of makes him forget vast periods of time:rolleyes:

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I'd like to come along on that outing, as a UN adviser:D

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Tizer and brandy, wow that does have a kick like a mule BG:D

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I don't think that most of Accyweb agree with the government, its a case that they probable don't agree with Mancie and C'mon, who think the ills of this country only started on the 6th May 2010 , its was a basket case long before then;)

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I occurs to me that the 'majority of Accy webbers don't agree with either the Government or the opposition. About the only thing they are agreed on is that there is something seriously and sadly wrong with the NHS. There has been for a very long time. And that it is about time that something was done to remedy the situation, for the benefit of all, rather than having politicians continually use the issue as some sort of political football.

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Totally agree Bob, its time that the NHS was taken out of the political area altogether, the only people making the decisions within the NHS are people with clinical knowledge. At the moment we can have a situation where we have somebody selling baked beans to supermarkets one day then the next taking a management job in the NHS.

Some time ago I was talking to my oxygen engineer and he mentioned that he had been to a meeting the previous day to meet the new NHS area coordinator of home oxygen service. After the meeting he was chatting to this lady and he asked her where she had been previously within the NHS, it appears her previous employment was a rep for an wholesale grocers, seems about right does that :(

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And if she was the only one, it would give sufficient cause for concern. But, alas, she isn't. I wonder why she moved out of wholesaling. Too demanding? Not enough of a pension? Difficult to strike the right work/life balance?

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And before anyone starts to accuse me of being unfair to NHS beurocrats, let me just say that as far as I am concerned these people are spending and claiming money that I have to work bloody hard to provide. I think it is about time that the majority of them started to justify their positions.

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My thought entirely Bob, I've said before on here that the last time I was an inpatient on a ward, I devised a new game to help keep the boredom at bay, its called spot the clipboard, I got up to about 25 one day, its horrendous, but the more worrying thing is that a lot of these paper shufflers are earning more money than nurses, which is a crime in itself, you can get by without a clipboard carrier but nurses are irreplaceable

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And, what is more, I think that process of justifying their existance and the money spent on them should be applied not just in the NHS but across the whole of the civil service.

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I think you have it spot on with your assessment.....but Mancie sees it a different way if you are against Labour then you must be a tory....after all what other option is there?

No recent governments have had the cojones to tackle the things that need fixing in the NHS. All that the political parties have done, is issue sound bites(Google Page Ranking stuff....and Google Page Ranking in nursing means per rectum - how right that has been) and targets and tinkered around the edges of the NHS.
In some situations this has not only not helped, it has actually hindered progress.
The changes have demoralised front line staff, caused patients to lose confidence in what is happening, alienating them from the people who are there to help them.

I agree wholeheartedly that we should never ever let politicians meddle with how the NHS is run. They can't run the country, so why should we think they could do better with the NHS?

Re: NHS reforms..a mess?
 

Yes, well, he wanders around with a picture of Morrisy on the front of his underpants, so there is absolutely no hope there, luv.



I am calling everyone 'Luv' today, as a form of protest: see thread 'Terms of endearment'. I strongly urge other members to do the same.


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Re: NHS reforms..a mess?
 

I really don't mind what you call me....just don't call me late for my tea.
I have just read that thread, although I didn't see the item on TV.....not an avid TV fan. I think this woman needs something to complain about...BOB....that's batty old bird.
She would have had something to complain about if he had called her thunderthighs, or slutchygob, araminta slapcabbage or any number of names.