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truely what a joke our country has become when we can no longer have ciggies in plain sight.Although the law dosnt come into effect for a short while yet asda have started early on what will soon be law and now hide their ciggies out of sight.

God knows what this rule is supposed to prevent because i know of not one person who started smoking because the saw ciggies on a shelf.

Most people who smoke start because their friends did or the parents did

Not a smoker anymore myself but things have gotten way out of hand and have gone way too far.Its not the actuall hiding of ciggies that i have issue with but how dumb the government and powers that be think we are that we need telling how to run every single aspect of our lives and think that without their intervention we cant make decisions .

Mind you i bet every shopkeeper in teh country is going to have to waste a lot of time and money complying to the new rules for not displaying ciggies:rolleyes:

whats next hiding bacon so as to stop people getting heart dissease from eating fatty food or offending people of other faiths ?

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Now thats a good idea we don't want to upset muslims do we:rolleyes:

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well i put faiths because we could be seen as offendin teh jewish too and i dont want to be on teh wrong side of jesus lol :D

Thing is eventually they are going to run out of ideas on how to control us and they are already down to weak and thin excuses with this hiding ciggys malarky.I can see a day not too far away when issuing us with tinfoil hats will occur so as to protect people from upsetting thoughts by others lol

I would love to blame the EU for this but i dont think this is a EU thing.In Amsterdam you can buy a joint off the wall for example .

I think somone in a powerfull position has been watching too much STARTREK becase in that show alchol is banned as is smoking but more woryingly homosexuality has been "cured" so maybe a big kull on the way :eek:

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I used to tease the hell out of Ray Lyndon when I worked for him, he sometimes got the butties in for breakfast when we were on the Markets, I always asked him to get me a bacon butty:D:D

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Quick hide the jelly babies

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they are to be issued a last ciggarette and a blindfold so they cant see their demise :D

jelly babies will probably get human rights soon too

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Cigarettes are legal to buy but now not legal to smoke anywhere but in your own home (at the moment). Everyone knows that they are bad for our health but the government will not ban them because of the enormous amount of revenue they bring in. If they were introduced today they would be made illegal but tobacco has been here for hundreds of years as has alcohol which could produce a similar argument. I enjoy both tobacco and alcohol (in fact it could be said that I can resist anything but temptation)!
It smacks a bit of hypocrisy that the only bar in the country in which you are able to smoke is in the House of Commons!
I am sick of people telling me how to live my life, so sitting here at the moment with my cigarette in my hand and my glass of red wine in front of me after spending the last couple of hours in the pub after a very busy and stressful week at work I would like to say to the people who think they hold the moral majority for us all to mind their own business! And if my lifestyle causes me to need the services of the NHS at some point in the future then I have paid more than my share into the pot over the years in taxes of various kinds to compensate!

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Oh and in addition to my previous post, no hiding cigarettes under the counter will stop me from smoking - it smacks a bit of prohibition to me and that didn't work!

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No doubt we've had this argument before but everyone has their vices, I've never smoked but I like a drink, my drinking will not kill or harm anyone else whereas your smoking will and does, it's not rocket science, it's a dirty , smelly habit that actually has been proved to kill people. I'm glad that it's banned in public places, I'm glad that there are no more fag machines.
**My dad, who has smoked copiously all his adult life has done enough with his coughing, wheezing and making our clothes and hair smell that neither me or my 2 siblings have ever smoked and my daughter considers it disgusting. **

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Well I'm totally anti smoking and would recommend everybody to give up, but its their choice. I remember when smoking was banded in pubs etcetera, if ever they took a sledge hammer to crack a nut shell that was it, Smoking round the bar was banned in Scotland in the early seventies, but why they just didn't let pubs and clubs have a designated smoke room with adequate ventilation or extractor fans I don't know

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I actually agree with your comments! Although apparently as far as I know there is no scientific evidence that passive smoking has killed anyone, if you know different then fair enough. I'm actually glad it's been banned in public places I find it much more pleasant in pubs, restaurants etc and I know it's dirty and smelly, hence my obsession with scented candles. I travel quite a bit in my work, and the one thing I do miss is being able to stop off for a coffee and not be able to light a cigarette.
My children don't smoke and I wouldn't advocate that anyone start to smoke, but what I do object to is holier than thou people telling me how to live my life.
And don't forget, there is a strong lobby at the moment who want the same things to happen with alcohol as has happened with cigarettes. To me, the real concern is with being told what to do and how to live my life. I know some things are bad for me and I will choose whether or not to continue with them and don't need to be told how to live my life.
I'm sure that in not many years to come smoking will be a thing of the past, but as things are at the moment let's let the older generation just get on with our lives which may or may not include smoking and keep the cigarettes on the shelves! Putting them under the counter won't make me stop smoking in fact it could well bring out my rebellious streak!

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Blimey, Anne, that's telling 'em!

I have been planning for many years to call around to your place just to upset you, but if you're anti smoking, (rather than an ex smoker), we have nothing in common, I'd rather spend my time with a Tory.

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Well here goes:

Here's the Proof: Is Passive Smoking Harmful?

Meta-analysis of studies of passive smo - PubMed Mobile

Estimate of deaths attributable to pass - PubMed Mobile

Acute effects of passive smoking on the - PubMed Mobile

http://www.dh.gov.uk/prod_consum_dh/...dh_4101475.pdf

Well there's 5 to get you started.

I have no issues if you smoke, I used to do.
However I cannot agree at all with the passive smoking does not exist argument. You might as well say Cocaine is good for you, Drinking and driving does not hurt anybody, not wearing a seatbelt in a car is safer than wearing one.
If you wish to smoke, then all and well, but let's not hide our heads in the sand because Forrest and Big Tobacco say so.

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I can find lots of sites on the internet which rebut all the things you've posted here, but I don't know how to post them myself, if anyone's interested enough I'm sure they'll look.
But I do agree that smoking is not a habit to be admired, and I know it's not healthy, my issue is to do with the powers that be trying to stop us from doing something legal via legislation which if we did stop would be detrimental to the economy, and also as an adult being told what to do by people with a holier than thou attitude to life who for some reason think they hold the upper ground in life.

I'm beginning to think you ain't no fun, why do folk such as yourself join a site just to be, and spread your own form of misery?

Please prove me wrong, don't jump straight back on this post telling me how insulted you are.

There is a place called anything goes, start a thread in there to prove you have some humour in you.

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This is a pointless argument Anne, I am aware there are many reports claiming Passive Smoking does not exist, just as there are reports claiming we did not land on the moon, the World Trade Centre was a inside job, JFK etc etc.
I don't believe that I am being holier than thou, I have the right not to breath in second hand smoke, seeing one fifth of the UK adult population are smokers, then you are in a minority. There are lots of discussions on here regarding our pandering down to foreign minorities and how wrong it is, but when it comes to smokers, the consensus seem to be they are hard done by. Sorry about that, but the needs of he many outweigh the needs of the few.

Seeing we cannot agree, I will bow out

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Vehicle exhaust fumes are more damaging to health than the smoke from burning leaves.

I wish that the avid anti smokers would include this problem in their programme of action to control the masses.

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Roy Castle never smoked in his life, but spent most of his working life in smoky clubs and cabaret places. He died of lung cancer....the kind of cancer that smokers get. His lung cancer was attributed to passive smoking.

I think the current ban on smoking in public places, is so that the general public are not exposed to the passive smoke.....so I am sure there must be some scientific evidence to link passive smoking with lung cancer....and the survival rates for lung cancer sufferers are not great.

We make our own choices in life. I do not(nor ever have) smoked, but my father did and my husband did for a15 years of our marriage........I was glad when he gave it up......but I still consider myself to be at risk because of my previous exposure to passive smoke.

Oh, and I do not have a 'holier than thou' attitude. It is just my point of view, as you say, you are adult enough to choose your own vices(if you want to call them that).

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But that's the rub, ciggarettes are not just burning leaves are they, there are 600 different chemicals added to each one.

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That's why I roll my own :D

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Unless you grow and harvest your own tobacco, who's to say what's in yours?
Maybe that's how they are on controlling you?

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The same can be said of lettuce :D

Organic tobacco is still grown by the native tribes of America but it is horrendously expensive and difficult to import - so I take a risk smoking Golden Virginia.

After all, my diet is completely organic, so a little toxicity can be coped with ;)

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Me too ... I think I'll spark one up right now;)

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Most of the chemicals that harm are in the cigarette papers, we once had a fire at a firm in Ramsbottom that made cigarette papers, for most of the big manufacturers, Saltpeter was one of the main ingredients, keeps the fag lit when your not drawing on it. Best thing if you have to smoke, is get a pipe, preferably a Falcon, they trap most of the tars in the bowl.

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A pipe would suit MargaretR.:D

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I have noticed that roll ups go out easily if you don't draw on them so maybe roll up papers aren't impregnated.

Cig manufacturers have developed devious ways to make them burn fast, so you smoke more.

As for a pipe - I do use a cigarette holder which needs a pipe cleaner to get the tar out, so I'm almost there aren't I?;)

I wouldn't have any qualms about using a pipe - they are just more difficult to clean than a cig holder.

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Tried growing tobacco, thats easy, its the curing, drying, & treating thats the hard part, takes weeks, then you have to let it rest to get the flavours right.
Sailors on the old sailing ships used to by the cured leaves, then layer alternate leaves with molasses, sprinkle with rum, roll it as tight as possible, then whip it with strong cord, like the whipping on rope ends, when its ready it looks like black twist.
I pressed mine in a block, using a vice as a press.

Retlaw.

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One of the reasons why roll ups go out, is that tobacco is damper than tailor made fags.
Pipes are not difficult to maintain.
Retlaw.

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Sorry Less, I just wanted to get my point across, I wasn't trying to spread misery and I'm not insulted. I think I've said this before on this site, you can discuss things face to face and get your point across, but when it's just words I've realised that you tend to come across completely differently! I can assure you I'm one of the most easy going people you could meet, but I obviously have very strong personal opinions which might come across as OTT when written down!
But my opinions in this case do stand!

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well my issue is how the government has gone overkill with the new rule not pros and cons of smoking.

the tax and revenue argument wont hold up long because the government are increasing revenue on other things such as fuel to make up for lost revenue made from tobbacco.

People dont actually think the government will sit by and loose all that revenue do they ?

If anything hiding ciggarettes behind a screen only draws attention to them and in some cases the more you tell some people not to do something the cooler it becomes to do it.

people know what can happen if you start smoking but they do it just as people take drugs despite been told what can happen.People will regardless of what you say and people wont its how things work.

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Can't help with the tory bit Less don't spend any time with them now myself, Although I'm anti smoking (for obvious reasons) in as much I would rather people didn't smoke, especially kids, because of the damage to their own health, but each to his own and If you want to smoke cart on mate, the only thing is its a no smoking zone in my gaff:D

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Can you roll um with one hand Margaret:D

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We all know that politicians lie as a matter of course, they cannot help themselves. We know too that the NHS and the medical profession are not always as familiar with the truth as we might wish them to be. And we certainly know that Academics can be selective enough with facts and statistics as to make black appear to be white when in actual fact it is green.

Given all that we know about the main sources of anti-smoking propaganda and legislation, why are we so eager to believe anything they say on the subject of smoking?

Take a moment to think. Put aside the stuff on the internet and in academic reports and newspaper stories, it comes from tainted sources, rather look at your own experience to find the truth. Smoking kills the people who smoke, no one can argue with that, and no one is arguing with it.

But can you honestly say that someone you knew personally, fell ill with cancer and died as a result of passive smoking?

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And another thing, if the government and the health fascists are so concerned about us dying before our time from cancer, why are they not screaming from the rooftops about the effects of Bisphenol A? A nasty chemical that one, it is contained in a range of plastics used in the home and in food packaging and till receipts. It gets on your hands from handling stuff that contains it, it leeches into the food contained in packaging made with it and you ingest it, and then you die from an alarming number of different sorts of cancer.
Want to know why breast cancer is increasing - Bisphenol A in food
Want to know why testicular cancer is increasing - Bisphenol A in food
Want to know why your kids have neuroblastoma - Bisphenol A in food
Want to know why the incidence of ovarian cancer is so high -Bisphenol A in food
Same goes for prostate cancer, heart disease and diabetes, to name but a few.

Now try and convince me that the government, the NHS, and the health fascists and academics have got anything right at all.

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Well leave out the Government and I'm still here:D

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After you initial alarm, the next step is to consider whether this corruption of food is deliberate.

It is more logical to conclude it to be deliberate, since incompetance amongst 'experts' cannot be so prevalent statisticly.

The next stage of deliberation is 'why'?

That takes very lttle mindpower - 'follow the money' to Monsanto and pharmacutical companies.

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This from the woman who claims to be sensitive/allergic to more or less everything.

Roll your own cigarettes are not the safer option
Research using roll-up cigarettes made by smokers, shows that the levels of nicotine and cancer-causing chemicals inhaled are often higher than those from bought cigarettes. RYO cigarettes are more likely to cause mouth, throat and lung cancer as well as lung diseases such as emphysema and heart disease.

I must now conclude that MargaretR is not the harmless old eccentric I once supposed but an authentic, all-out, full-blown barmpot.

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:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38

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I never claimed to be sensitive 'to almost everything' - though I admit to developing an aversion to you:D

Odours containing products derived from petrochemicals give me adverse reactions. You display a lack of understanding of the condition - most people do.

Incidentally the condition is gaining recognition now that it is part of 'Gulf War Syndrome' - how's about that then:D - and me a pacifist and all !

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I know where you're coming from on this one Margaret. Any toiletries or cleaners containing a scent are banned in our house along with any perfumes apart from natural plant oils. Walking down the street near someone who is wearing a strong perfume is torture and air fresheners should be banned.

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Likewise.

The lady behind the counter at the Asda cigarette counter told me she kept trapping her fingers in the sliding doors.. :eek:

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It smacks a bit of hypocrisy that the only bar in the country in which you are able to smoke is in the House of Commons!
is this true ?
ian

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It's a stupid idea...I doubt anyone who smokes will stop or even cut down because of these restrictions and I don't believe anyone would start smoking just because they are on display... next year the local shops have will not be able to display fags...smokers may just as well find some local smuggler who will show the cigs for sale at cheaper prices.

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Sorry, jay, I don't understand that. :confused:

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Of course it is, didn't you know? The great and the good only legislate for the little people, they themselves are above the law. You need to pay more tax.

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:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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The NHS has done very well for me Bob over the last 30 years the only think wrong with it is to much red tape and too many pen pushers

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The facts are that no-smoking in pubs and clubs as added to most places demise. When the barmy government brought out these they didn't know the harm it would cause in lost jobs etcetra,and put more people out of work. Now they are doing the same with acohol abuse, it only the affects the working class guy. And they altered the drinking hours (a big mistake). This is what as affected all smaller towns like Accy. That's why the town is quite dead now. Woody

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If you have a look at Parliament.uk it will tell you where smoking is allowed, apparently three bars. I don't know how to post directly to the link.

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Don't really know where to start with your post. Expressing yourself in better English might help.


Were you seriously suggesting that the town's demise is down to changes in the law on alcohol and tobacco? What about loss of jobs in factories and mills? The downward progress has been going on for a lot longer than the concerns about booze and fags. Are you suggesting we should all be smoking and drinking to excess to keep the town on its feet?


And please explain how alcohol abuse only affects the working class guy.


The smoking ban was a very good thing - people who want to indulge in this filthy habit can still do so but those of us who find it abhorrent don't have to suffer the effects on our health or our clothes and environment.

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My friend went to purchase some on Tuesday pm and could'nt because the assistant could'nt find them.

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Me thinks the assistant isn't cut out for that job;)

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I ventured into Accrington market this week and as I passed the cigarette shop I noticed they were still in full view.
Is it only ASDA who hides the cigarettes?

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Yes it does'nt become law until later in the year.

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The guy selling me my ciggies the other day wasnt impressed. He said that the only thing it does is make the queue twice as long to serve now.

I personally dont think that it will deter anyone from smoking.

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I'm sure the lady at Asda told me legislation was coming in in April, and Asda were doing it early so that they got things right for that month, as there are certain rules laid down by the Goverment. :confused: Sorta' practice runs.

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That's a bit crisp coming from someone who has had almost every ailment known to mankind. :).. and then you still have a poke at the NHS.

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By the way, welcome to Accy Web, Christine.

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Come on, susie, don't hold back! What do you really think about about smoking- no need to hold back.
I'm sure christine found your critique of her post helpful- your post was all so tactfully put.

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They've just started doing it in Sainsbury's lately and it looks daft! Surely people are going to say "What's behind those screens?"

The reply will be "Cigarettes!" Then they will say "I'll have 20!" Because it's not going to stop people smoking just make them more inquisitive as to what is there behind the screens! :rolleyes:

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I've smoked since I was 13 maybe 14..and I would not recommend it to anyone..the government say this will deter young people from smoking.. but I can't say the display of cigarettes had any influence on me smoking.. in fact the taboo and having a secret smoke probably made it more attractive.

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I thought the same having smoked since 12/13 used to ask blokes to go in n get separates.:D they been hiding em behind screens at Tesco fer couple of weeks now, I think theres nowt more alluring to a kid to say "Don't" or yeh "Can't" least it always was in my case.

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I stopped smoking 3 years ago now. Agree I don't think seeing fags on display is why people start smoking. We start because 1) we see our parents smoking. 2) We see people at school smoking who we hang round with. I don't know what it's like now at schools but back in the day a good 50 or more kids were round the back of the science blocks smoking fags at break time - is it still the same?
Kids will see the screens and ask "what are they for!"

Only way would be to ban all cigarette selling in shops and have special mail order deliveries direct to houses!

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The guy in morrisons told me that it is going to be the same for alcohol soon

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They have gone to far with this on smokeing now i do smoke but i don,t drink but there is nothing said on that is there.

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I don't really understand the logic behind this because it is illegal to sell cigarettes to under eighteen year olds, so having them hidden from view should have no effect on preventing young people from buying them. Under eighteens don't buy their cigarettes from supermarkets in any case. Also most supermarkets have the prove you're twenty five rule, where if you look under age you have to prove you're twenty five for some reason when buying both cigarettes and alcohol.

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Well reading Mancies quoted post, I agree with both of you, its a load of tosh, as was the total smoking ban and I'm a none smoker. I started smoking when I was 14 (gave up 34 years ago)a willie woodbine and two matches for a penny from a little grocers shop on Market Street, they didn't actually advertise this little business enterprise, but they did a roaring trade:D

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I doubt it - what is the point of having covers down the booze aisle? That would mean every shop containing alchohol would be covered in white sheets!

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What is going to happen when an assistant gets their fingers trapped in the sliding doors?

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Com-pen-sa-tion will be setting in Barrie:rolleyes:

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Fags, Booze ...... Can you still get Lads Mags ? Or are they closeted away somewhere too ? :D Just a query mind :s_aim1:

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i think you already know.......you are just kidding us

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Were always on the top shelf Dave still are I think, but haven't the inclination to bother looking these days:D

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Aye, many moons ago I'd have a quick shufty along the shelves to see what was on offer, only problem was it'd give me a stiff neck ............. at first :eek: :s_aim1:

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"Ouch! Darn it!"

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I doubt it too.

Lots more shops are covering them up now.

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Next step; the government think that cigarettes in plain white packets will stop youngsters smoking! The fag companies think it will open the market up for bootleggers - as they won't have to copy the packaging accurately! I think the government are wrong on this!

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Bring the smelling salts I've gone all feint and come over all funny,:eek::eek::eek: I actually agree with Birdy, I started smoking when I was 14 and believe me it wasn't the nice shiny packaging that attracted me to the habit, there wasn't much to admire about a paper bag containing a willie woodbine and two swan vestas:D

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So you are a Druggie!

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And where do you get that from clown, I gave up smoking 34 years ago about the same time you had a frontal lobotomy

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He might be talking about the smelling salts...;)

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Well it at there loss.....what will be next Beer.

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He's not that intelligent susie:rolleyes:

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Funny - I thought dogs were quite bright!:p

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so if seeing fags and booze makes people want to smoke and drink does government think that seeing condoms on display will make people want sex or having axes on display in homebase make people want to murder people ?

Dogs are very bright, they offer loyalty even to those that don't deserve it.


Not because they are sucking up to you, just because of loyalty.

If they could talk they might tell us smoking is, well, a little bit silly.

They can't talk, so therefore they let us do what we want without criticism just so long as they have the security of being loved by the person looking after them.
If people were like dogs somehow life would be less vicious.

P.S. I'll never have another dog, I couldn't live up to it's standards.

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i suppose there must be a limit on how many neck injuries you can sustain from trying to lick your own balls :D

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I think that's a very good point.

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Dear me Jay, have you had a humour bypass ? What I believe Max meant was that because you'd agreed with Kes-x (and being aware of his continued referal to drugs) you must agree with that also, but then knowing your aversion & vehement contra-arguments, it was, I perceive a stab at dry humour. (following so far ? :) Jolly good)

Then you retort with a derogatory comment, surely if you'd just given it a minute or two for the ol' grey cells to mull over M.t.C's character, response style & contributions thus far, you'd no doubt gather he'd meant his comment in jest. Oft times folk take things as read on here (as Marg P has frequently pointed out ..... sorry Ma) the inflection & nuances are not there to judge on a screen as would be the case face to face. ;)

Now kiss & make up & lets all go back to being happy Bunnies shall we ?

And to get back on topic, plain packets wont make an iota of difference to the hard core smoker or new starter, if anything it'll make it easier for dangerous imitations to flood the market. And as to the moronic minister Lansley (Con) who reckons fags have no place in UK, has he thought of the job losses & tax deficit such a stance would incur ? Probably not, typical politico all mouth & trousers with no substance, gawd, don't they make you want to puke ? :mad:

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Ever thought of going into the diplomatic service Dave?

Surely you have got the honourable minister wrong?
Fags have no place in good, solid british lungs, just as armaments have no place ripping said organs from british bodies.
However, just like our armaments industry, we can continue a tobacco industry so long as it only affects the third world purchaser,
There, see no real harm done after all.

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Who are you calling a clown .Do you think you are above all others. Can you not take a joke.I meant that because you take so many pills you rely on drugs.

You must forgive him, maxthecollie looks so similar to kestralx on his keyboard he's easily confused.

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Right, got you now, valid point. How foolish of me not to understand the dishonourable member's (rather apt choice of word) standpoint on this issue. I know, there I go again just assuming things & not reading 'twixt the lines of gobbledygook & poppy-cock. (again a good choice of noun) :)

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Well I was half way along the right lines. :) Ere I go, presuming again.

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Good Lord No ! Having to kiss the arse of Johnny foreigner, not being allowed to insult people & criticise cretins, get thee behind me Satan or should that be Jezebel ? ;)

No, on second thoughts not behind me, or you'll be stubbin' fags out on my lovely hairy behind ! :eek:

See what I did there ? Back to fags, maybe fags isn't the most ideal of words when used in the same sentence as behind ?

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With Cretins like you who needs clowns

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More intelligent than you . I have a brain that I can put in gear

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Now I can see why I labeled you a clown, I would always think there was something wrong when some one names themselves after a dog;)