Originally Posted by gynn (Post 970898)

So let's do a quick check on who is for and against the Government's proposed reform of the NHS:-

AGAINST: British Medical Association, Royal College of Nursing, Royal College of Midwives, Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health, Royal College of GPs, Royal College of Radiologists, House of Lords, most back bench MPs and some of the Cabinet.

FOR: David Cameron, Andrew Lansley, George Osborne and .....er that's it.

Hmmm. The words "hole" and "stop digging" come to mind!

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 970950)

GP's seem to have hardly any time to see sick patients as it is....this is going to leave them with less time to see patients, but more money for not seeing them.

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 970950)

As for GP's being in control of the commissioning of services........that is about the worst idea possible.(in my opinion)
GP's seem to have hardly any time to see sick patients as it is....this is going to leave them with less time to see patients, but more money for not seeing them.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 970957)

I called out the CMs yesterday and she arrived in my home in less than 45 mins. Whats required is less red tape you know that stuff that keeps a ward sister sat behind her desk from the start to finish of her shift, ticking boxes for pen pushers to evaluate then file away for posterity.

Originally Posted by gynn (Post 971193)

The Prime Minister is hosting a discussion tomorrow to see the best way forward on the Health and Social Care Bill.

It gives him the opportunity to win over all those who oppose the Bill..... Yes? Well No.

He hasn't invited anyone who disagrees with him. So the major professional groups that will be responsible for implementing the changes have been left out.

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Hardly the way to win an argument Mr C!

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 971198)

No change there then. It has always been this way. Doesn't matter who is in power.
It is worse when you get asked and your opinions are ignored.

Originally Posted by lettie (Post 971203)

That's the thing.... Not only do we rarely get asked our opinion, but when we do, it is completely ignored. This is not just at Government level but also at local level.

The fact is that we cannot afford the NHS, it is a bottomless pit. As science moves on and new procedures come to the fore, the NHS starts to provide them. In it's inception it was a lifesaving service providing emergency care to those in dire need. Now it is all things to all men with a population whose expectations of the service increase with every new procedure. Something, somewhere, has to give but..........here's the thing. A Government who privatises the NHS will be unpopular with the voting public and will therefore lose votes. So successive Governments have picked away at the NHS, privatising services such as Domestics, Laundry, Pharmacy, Procurement, Buildings and building services (PFI), Portering, Transport etc. All the while swearing blind that they are not privatising the NHS. The NHS will be privatised by stealth, each government picking away at it until there is nothing left.

The changes that successive Governments bring in, bring more managers but these managers have no real power. More documentation, tick boxes and people who trained bloody hard to provide care but are spending most of their working day pen pushing. It doesn't matter that the patient complains of not getting any care because..... this tick box says that they did.... and the target was met.

I am absolutely against these changes but as my opinion won't be asked (due to the fact that it just won't be, and also that I 'let fly' on the last questionnaire that I was sent :D) I will wait with bated breath for the outcome of this Bill and hope to God that I get 6 numbers in the meantime..:)

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 971318)

The reforms aren't nonsense....they are dangerous. That is why so many in the medical profession....those who you could say, know the system best....are against its implementation. They aren't worried about themselves, they are worried for their patients.