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I know that the government have said that they will govern for the full five years, and have legislated to that effect.

But, given that the pressure on the coalition is growing with every day that passes. And given that the Lib Dem half of the coalition is proving to be more than a bit of a millstone around the neck of the other half. What do members think of the opinion I heard canvassed earlier today of a General Election in the autumn of this year



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Let's hope so

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id rather leave this risk of living in a world with milliband at the helm and jones in a position of power as long as possible.

yes i know its a minute risk but why take unessessary risks when the outcome could be so terrible :(

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Think someone clutching at straws A-B, none will give up what they got, even if it is crap. imho.

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According to odds given by bet365 for the year of next election, 2015 or later is favourite, at odds of 8/15. The party favourite to gain most seats at the next election is the Conservatives at odds of 8/11

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It will be interesting to see how the Conservatives and the Liberal Democrats campaign....seeing as they have shared a bed together(figuratively speaking).
How do you throw mud at the party you have shared government with, and supposedly got along(though we all know it is an uneasy partnership)?

When the coalition started out, I didn't figure it would last as long as it had...but I guess it has only lasted because David Cameron has capitulated to the whims of the Lib Dems.
Damn, it isn't so long ago he was at odds with the french President N. Sarcastic(Nicholas Sarkozy)....and the next news is they are cosying up to one another and the snubs and put downs from the french dwarf are forgotten.


There isn't one of them you'd trust with your dinner money!

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I think Graham Jones will be hoping the next General Election is later, rather than sooner.

Giving him longer to enjoy his time, drinking in the heavily subsidised Commons bar, and more time to witness his Labour colleagues headbutting, and kicking seven bells out of our Andrew Barrett/Cyfr's poor boss, Andrew Percy M.P.

Wild Westminster: MP charged with assault after Commons bar fracas - Mirror Online

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Perhaps they thought poor Percy deserved a kicking, as one of the brave rebels who voted, that in the interests of democracy, there should be an EU referendum.

Still, in the interest of fraternal Internationalism, what's a little mindless violence between drinking friends?

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Anyone foolish enough to admit they're planning to vote Lib Dem?

Anyone?

Anyone perhaps recently awoken from a long coma?

No?

Thought not.

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Perhaps the same could be said fer the 3 Major parties?:D

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I don't vote time after time they say one thing do another. They should not be aloud to get away with that. Is there no way they could get done for fraud? They get given positions of power on lies and deceit.

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there needs to be some kind of mass kull of politions..

well if its good enough for sheep that get colds its got to be good enough for a bunch of theiving gits :)

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Maybe if you did take the trouble to vote, you and the 30 odd per cent who didn't bother in 2010, things may have been different, one has to say that until an incoming government actually see's the books and reads all those little love notes left by the failed predecessors (There's no money left we've spent it all) no decisions can be set in tablets of stone;)

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Disillusioned with mainstream political parties?

Use your vote in protest.

Don't waste it.

Vote UKIP.

UK Independence Party

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I don't trust any politician to vote for them I have the right to vote but don't use it (yet) out of protest. Im not as young and naive as many other young people I do watch political program. As jaysay said about looking at the book i understand that but some do the exact opposite to what they campaigned.

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Whilst there are always going to be issues that voters wish the government had taken a different direction on, I will always take the same stance on elections - if you don't vote, you have no right to complain.

There are local elections every year, tempered by periodical general elections to keep things really interesting. This is your chance to say how you feel so get out there and use it.

'I don't vote' is leaving the doors wide open for idle chancers who just happen to be wearing the right badge.

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I would never not use my vote.

It's too hard earned.

Nevermind female sufferage.

It's not that long ago that the working classes, regardless of gender, didn't have the right to vote.

The least you should do is go and spoil your paper, because those are counted as well.

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Spot on Rindi, if you don't vote you have no say, and in my experience its usually those who don't vote do the most moaning

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I do not see that as a resident British Subject and Taxpayer my moral right to criticise or commend the actions of government is in any way impaired. Irrespective of whether I cast my vote, or not.



I assume that was meant in a tongue-in-cheek sense.



Perhaps if there was more of a general feeling that 'how you feel' was taken any notice of whatsoever, there might be an increase in voter participation.
Perhaps if our current MP had voted for his constituents instead of the party in the referendum debate. Perhaps if Local councilors paid more attention to local issues instead of pontificating on issues they know nothing about like, oh...I don't know... say... Kashmiri terrorists and then going into purdah for two months.


Since the thread concerns Parliamentary Elections, could you possibly be referring to the current 'idle chancer'?

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Another grade-A post, Bob.

Sometimes I wonder if world is small enough for your vitriol.

What problem would you like me to solve this morning?

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I have voted at every general election until the last one.

I withdrew from the practice when I realised that democracy has failed the 99%.

Whether you believe it or not - politicians are puppets of the bankers, and so all parties work towards the same outcome, which benefits the 99% hardly at all, and the working masses pay.

When you vote you decide which party you are going to permit to turn the screw,
....and your vote gives your consent to be screwed.

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Just answering the questions posed will do Ken.

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I am one of those disillusioned voters, and while I vote in the local elections(because at those elections you have some kind of knowledge of the candidates) the general elections are another matter. I would like to vote for a party which reflects my core values.....but it doesn't seem that such a party exists. At the last election, I went to vote and spoiled my paper.

The parties(All of them) promise so much and deliver so little. They take absolutely no notice of the concerns of the electorate.......and until that changes I will be spoiling ballot papers at each general election......because my vote changes nothing no matter who I vote for.

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I get the very strong impression that most people distrust politicians. Indeed, most of the people I have spoken to on the matter equate them, in the honesty and transparency stakes, with Bankers.

And given the shenanigins over the weekend in Westminster who can blame them? Honorable Members who behave like the binge-drinkers they purport to so abhor.
Honorable Members who do not know that when you have paid your mortgage it is wrong to carry on claiming for the payments.
Honorable Members who think it is perfectly acceptable to spend most of their time on the public speaking circuit, earning vast amounts of money, rather than sitting in Parliament which is what their constituants expect and pay them to do.
Honorable Members who claim to support the public right to a referendum until the party waves preferrment under their noses and then change their tune dramatically.

Liars, Cheats, Thieves, Fraudsters, Convicted Criminals. Ahhh The Palace of Westminster; like the News of the World used to claim, "All human life is there".

And, as if that malignant cess pit were not scandal enough; there is local politics.

That enough vitriol for you Ken? Because if it isn't, there is plenty more where that came from.

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You have hit the nail on the head.
These people do not seem to think they should live by the rules of general decency, moral or ethics...yet they believe we should.
How is it different to defraud the tax payer by claiming money for a mortgage which is fully paid....or claiming allowances for a home owned by a family member, or being a benefit cheat??
Both are ways of stealing money from the tax payer......not paying full taxes by exploiting loopholes may not be illegal, but the people doing this are taking money from the system which could be paying for services which are being axed.

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And then there is the case of that well known wag Liam Byrne who, as Labour's retiring Chief Secretary to the Treasury, left a jokey one line note for his successor;

“Dear Chief Secretary, I’m afraid to tell you there’s no money left”.

My, how we all split our sides at that one.

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i have never got my head around how anyone convicted of a crime or even given a caution by the police is able to return to a job in the house of commons.They certainly wouldnt be allowed to teach in schools or work for teh police yet they can work in a place that demands honesty and the consequences of having a crook in the mix could prove disasterous as seems to have been proven by the mess this country is now in no doubt to some extent to a few backhanders and under the table deals.

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also lets not forget that if you are but a mere citizen and fall foul of the tax man you can face financial ruin and possible prison if you cant afford to pay your tax bill but if you owe the tax man millions and have billions in the bank you get taken to lunch and offered a low rate repayment plan while your debt to the tax man increases:mad:

yes those in power do have 1 rule for them and their pals infact they have many different rules for their pals and none of them put their pals out of their comfort zone yet woe betide any citizen that falls short of the different set of standards set out for them.

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And poor sweet naieve Ken firmly believes that casting a vote will change things.
I don't know whether to pity him or chuck a brick at him.

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do that and we will end up having to call you Asbo Bob :D

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Humpffff, Politicians; can't live with them, can't shoot them.

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Why?

He's not climbed up on your roof, has he?

Still, it'll cost less than getting your cherry picker out to deal with him.

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My tastes may be catholic dear but I do draw the line, occaisionally. And besides, I'm getting a bit too long in the tooth to go shinning up drainpipes to negotiate with stroppy councillors.

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Yes, but if you leave him up there he could start picking at his mirkin, and use it to feather a nest.

You might never get him down.

Lobbing something now might be wiser in the long-run.

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A bit like the phoenix then. Too much to hope he might go up in flames I suppose.

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Mirkins are highly flammable.

You might be lucky if you burn a lot of paper in your grate.

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Nah, I think I'll leave him up there actually, pour encourager les autres, sort of thing. At least he will keep the pigeons away.

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That's nice.

You never know.

In time, with the offer of a few treats, you might tempt him down to sit on your hand.

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Yes, and I could probably train him to repeat comical phrases such as "Ed Milliband is a plonker" and "B*gger Kashmir", wot fun.

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...and 'Who's a pretty b...'

Perhaps not.

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Hmmm, I don't know, could be useful for shocking the vicar. Watch out Reverend, don't get too close or he might flap his mirkin at you. Oh dear, too late.

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If you plan on taming him, and keeping him caged, as a pet.

You'll need to cut his toe nails occasionally, and only feed him your finest seed.

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He'd need a tail as well. I have seen some in shiny black neoprene. A tad expensive but what is the use of a pet without a tail to wag?

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People could come to admire him from miles around.

Though make sure you use the right size plug.

Otherwise it will keep coming off, and feathers are a devil to get up.

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I don't think I will be showing him, I want to keep him for breeding.
You see, apart from the odd shred of mirkin there are no droppings to speak of. A positive boon really.

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Probably wise.

Disappointment's such a hard cross to bear.

So I'm told.

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C'est la vie, darling, he'll just have to get over it. I will not have sulky councillors stamping about on my slates I can tell you. well not without a reduction in the rates anyway.

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You really should get on to the council.

You see a pretty pet.

Your neighbours will see vermin.

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You are probably right, and they wouldn't be wrong, but I would have to insist that he went to a good home, one where he has his own perch and fresh motion papers.

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The council will try to see he goes to a good home.

If that's not possible, there's always Bernard Matthews.

There's a big demand for chicken nuggets.

He'd go down well, as part of a special offer.

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He doesn't need a special offer, allegedly.

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Maybe, but as the old Countess de Wolfe used to say to me.

What goes up, can also go down.

He might very well end up as a BOGOF.

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He's listening you know. Keeps peeping over the troughing when he thinks I'm not looking.

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Neither would have any effect hit or miss:rolleyes:

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The next time he does it, put some seed on your hand, and see if he'll come for you.

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Better find some tissues first.

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Only the Parson knows.:hehetable

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As usual, it takes a woman to tell it as it is. Well said, Margaret.

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Yes, but it was a lizard, who revealed the truth.

Trust no one.

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Well our Kenny mentioned the upcoming local elections, now in the run up to taking control of the council last May, the cry from Mossy and confederates was they were only interested in local issues, they had no time for anything south of Whitebirk. Well I think it will be a racing cert that when their leaflets drop on the mat behind your door they will be crammed to the hilt with anti government diatribe, with very little about HBC and of course the cursory message from our man in Westminster;)

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Well according to Cllr. Moss, as posted on here, I'm the Conservative's 'secret weapon', in the forthcoming local elections.

Perhaps I'm going to be used as a battering ram.

Though the 'secret' bit might now be a bit of a challenge.

Careless talk costs votes.

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But plenty of time for issues way, way to the east of whitebirk though.

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Don't knock it till you've tried it. Anyway, at your age the damage is hardly likely to be noticable.

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A damaged ram I could cope with.

If they think I'm going to be some sort of Trojan horse, they've another thing coming.

No way.

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Do you not have a seat then?

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I don't know.

I'm that much of a secret weapon, that it's being kept secret from me too.

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I see, they've got you under wraps then have they? Greased up, stripped down and raring to go.

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Yes, the secret's up.

If the noise from the rucksack they've strapped to me, stops tickin'...RUN!

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We'll see, although I doubt it, there's more than enough to talk about in Hyndburn.

What original gems will be on this year's Conservative leaflets? Car parking charges (that's been a good one since 1999), death taxes, money given to Asians, allotment rent increases (anywhere between 200% and 700% depending on who is speaking), not forgetting the 'will put up council tax' routine.

The occasional policy would be nice to hear.

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You can't even get your spiteful criticism right the car park charges have been on the agenda since 1995 not 99:D and I still stick by my original statement

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Yesterday the fragrant Ken attempted to encourage the non-voters by implying that Local politics was interesting and exciting. Judging from his post of 7:45 this morning, as far as I can see it is more of the same old twaddle I have been hearing from both sides since I was old enough to have an opinion. Every time an election is in the offing we are treated to the same tired old garbage. The other side will make it more expensive, they will put up the rates, they have no policies we are the best thing since sliced bread etc.etc. on and on.


For crying out loud, Ken, give it a rest and change the bluddy record.


It is hardly surprising that 30% of the electorate don't vote. Indeed the only surpise is that the figure isn't higher. Tit-for-tat arguments are meant for the playground and political d*ck waving is not an acceptable substitute for mature, reasoned debate.
Have you learned nothing from the Britcliffe era?

And before you start whining on about vitriol and ridicule, you might profitably reflect on what it is about your performance and the performance of your colleagues that might give rise to such a response; though you will forgive me if I don't hold my breath while we wait.

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Yes, just where does Hyndburn Borough Council stand on the Kashmir question?

These are the real burning issues, local people are just crying out to be answered.

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It's nice to see you two have kissed and made up, launching a join salvo on the people formally identified as the villains of the piece, namely HBC. Perhaps now you could take time out to read what people post in response to your questions.

Gary, I have already given my stance on that. For further info, please see Cllr Allah Dad, it was his motion.

Bob, read what I wrote again and scale down your righteous indignation by several million degrees.

Red sky at night, Bob's house on fire at the other end of Rishton.....see how his anger burns!

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Sorry Jay, my mistake!

Left out 'hitting the most vulnerable in society' as well.

It's a wonder I can show my face some days....

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Oh I wasn't expecting a reply.

I was told you'd been warned not to.

I was just musing.

Pondering.

Shooting the breeze.

It's something us ordinary members happily do on here.

Now Accy Web is virtually a politico free zone.

Thanks, though.

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Did you use the right tense?

Shouldn't that be plural?

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I took your advice, well the bit about reading anyway and came across this, posted on 5/2/12.

"Those who know me are well aware I hate anything PC"

Perhaps, but not enough to stand up to an ethnic minority councillor who you considered to be blatantly "electioneering". You claim that the Kashmiri motion couldn't simply be thrown out. OK, I can accept that. But what was there to stop you voting against the motion, or simply abstaining?

I care little for christianity, but the bible is a mine of useful quotes. One of my favorites is this...Mathew (7:20)


"Wherefore by their fruits shall ye know them"

The other one concerns balances and being weighed


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Well, you are proving to be a bigger bitch than both of them combined!

Put forward something worthwhile or else refrain from commenting at all, you made more sense while you were away.

(anonymously peeved of Accrington).

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Oh your are so quick Rindi:D

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It only appears so.

When dealing with amateurs.

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Ya well that is an advantage I suppose and an amateur Jock as well:D

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Fair point, but when in Full Council you sometimes have to weigh up the bigger picture in Hyndburn. It might not affect Rishton but that particular motion had relevance to residents of my counterparts in several other wards, such as Central and Springhill. As a representative of Hyndburn I wasn't against it and I am vehemently opposed to abstaining unless it is absolutely necessary (which it rarely is).

It seemed like a tactical motion brought to council in order to show that the Conservatives are dead keen on Kashmiris. I may be wrong. However just because something doesn't affect me doesn't mean that I automatically vote against it. I have put up several motions and questions which single out Rishton but my colleagues have still voted for them.

As I have said before, I don't look forward to international motions at Full Council again.

Have we not exhausted this topic yet? There really is nothing more to say.

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No Less, we're just going down the same route as before.

I am asked a question, I respond.

Said questioner disregards my answer and keeps labouring the question over and over.

I am endeavouring to make Accyweb 'fun' for myself so that I never leave again.....

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Sorry Ken thats wriggling to me===========",Fair point, but when in Full Council you sometimes have to weigh up the bigger picture in Hyndburn. "=============== If its blatantly obvious to anyone wi a grain of sense, That it was n issue "NO" local council should engage in, fer obvious reason, The yer explanation carries no weight at all to me.

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See, Bollicktiks makes you miserable, well it certainly does most folk. Do a Francesco (Schettino) & bail while there's still lifeboats about. ;) Sorry, fall overboard to avoid going down with the Ship.

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You're having a go at me for voting in favour of something that I wasn't inherently against. It took about five minutes to deal with and it wasn't even my motion. I have better things to worry about than something I glossed over several months ago.

We can't just throw something out because we don't like it.

Take it up with the Conservatives for bringing it to Council in the first place.

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Nah, it's quite fun being a councillor. It's less fun when people simply hear words instead of listening.

I have a tankard of Shepherd Neame here, cushioning the blow of a two hour meeting tonight.

My appreciation of ale has rocketed since May 2010.....

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That's Southern stuff is that !!! :eek: (What kind ? Finger ??? double :eek: Spitty ??? :eek:) :D

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I know, I know.....I'm on emergency reserves at the mo. The crate of Moorhouses Blonde Witch was 'destroyed' at the weekend, one of the best beers of all time.

However, this is easily my favourite ale:

Loweswater Gold - Cumbrian Legendary Ales

Regrettably, the only thing left in the Rishton Towers cellar now is a bottle of Old Dan.

Ouch.

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Oh I don't know :D 7.4% reassuringly mind numbing :eek:

A horrible Tykey person gave me some Copper Dragon (Pippin) the other week & considering it comes from the wrong side of the moors it was OK. :D

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You only seemed to have fun on here, whilst in opposition.

Attacking the then leader, and the ruling party on the council.

No one on here has viciously attacked you, or any of your colleagues, as you revelled in your assaults on them.

On this forum people have always grumbled when our politicans do something stupid.

They will continue to do so, whoever's in power, and whether politicans choose to come on here, and use Accy Web, for whatever reasons...or not.

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I've got a reprieve. One presentation bottle of Hobgoblin that I'd forgotten about!

Not keen on Copper Dragon ales, bit wishy-washy for my tastes. Mind you, I cut my teeth on Old Peculier.

Try the Victoria in Great Harwood (known locally as the Butcher Brig) for some cracking beers.

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I continue to have a lot of fun on here, just seems to be more and more with people who don't automatically have a cross to bear with those in control of HBC.

Vote Moorhouses this May, we need to keep Tadcaster ales out!

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When it comes to Ale I'm a bit of a slapper, I'll cozy up to most of em, no morales whatsoever. :D Although there are some that get my attention before others do. :rolleyes:

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They all come along the bar with their shiny badges, trying to convince you that they'll do the best for you.

I've got a frothier head than he has, I'll quench your thirst better than he will....heard it all before.

In the end you just have to try them all to find out who's best and who never to vote for again.

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You weren't 'inherently against' this one-sided, inflammatory piece of blatant anti-Indian propaganda, that has sod all to do with Hyndburn anyway?

The motion, as put before the council -

'That this Council supports the Kashmir community here in Hyndburn in condemning the atrocities committed and acts of barbaric violence by Indian Forces in Indian occupied Kashmir which has resulted in women been gang raped, children lined up and shot dead in front of their parents, people been torched and set on fire in their jail cells.'

God give me strength.

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Is that what I actually voted on?

I think not.

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Lets hope the people of this country realise what a load of rubbish the Liebour party & the Conservatives have been . The two parties have done nothing but destroy this country .. Lets hope another party can get in .. like UKIP , Give them ago , At least they want of the EU

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That was the offical motion, put before the council, that night last November.

That's what all the propagandist around the world, report the council as supporting.

You idiots gave them fuel for their fires.

I don't think they're too interested in what the wording might have been subsequently changed to.

You patsies did exactly what they hoped you'd do.

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If yeh think stating me honest opinion is having a go yer sadly mistaken, n thats another example to me of wriggling.:rolleyes: If yeh was not inherently against, Then that says to me yer either for it, or at best Didn't know a great deal about the issue? n if that was the case then i fail to grasp how yeh could vote in favour.:confused: If i was having a go, yeh would really know it.

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You mean the news reports aren't telling the whole truth???

Oh, the sleep I'll lose.