Originally Posted by gynn (Post 974636)

We seem to be going round in circles on this topic. Let's try and summarise so we can draw a line under it and move on.

An Asian councillor puts forward a motion to Council on an issue that has no direct bearing on the Council. HE feels he is justified in doing so because a section of his constituents want to draw attention to what they see as an injustice. MOST other people disagree, feeling that it has nothing to do with the Council, and should more properly be taken up by the National Government.

The Council constitution doesn't prevent him from doing it, and accordingly the item is presented to Council. The more extreme words in the motion are watered down, and the Council pass a balanced, fairly anodyne resolution.

Lessons to be learned? Maybe the Council should add a one line amendment to its constitution disallowing items that are so clearly outside the control of the Council. Maybe the Group leaders should step in to prevent such items being presented on the basis of the resentment they are likely to cause.

Whatever the lessons to be learned, let's learn them and move on!

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 974544)

Neddy might be lame, but obviously people still care.

He only dies when people no longer post.

So many thanks for continuing to post here, and giving the old horse breath.

Originally Posted by gynn (Post 974636)

Whatever the lessons to be learned, let's learn them and move on!

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 974650)

No one's forcing you to chip in with your two penn'oth.

People will stop discussing the issue when they see fit.

I, myself, might want to dicuss this debacle again.

Nearer to May.

Originally Posted by gynn (Post 974636)

An Asian councillor puts forward a motion to Council on an issue that has no direct bearing on the Council. HE feels he is justified in doing so because a section of his constituents want to draw attention to what they see as an injustice.

Originally Posted by gynn (Post 974636)

Whatever the lessons to be learned, let's learn them and move on!

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 974667)

A scenario for gynn, I'm an elected member of HBC and my great maiden Aunt Matilda, who lives in Blackburn, is being treated very shabbily by B with D council, I'm very very upset about this, so as somebody who is close to me and my family, but not living in Hyndburn is being treated badly, I want HBC to pass a motion at the next full council meeting deploring the treatment being dished out to my relative, how far would this fly and tell me the difference between the two cases

Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob (Post 974673)

Could I as a British Subject, UK taxpayer and resident of Hyndburn ask the council to pass a motion condemning the actions of the government of the French Republic in regard to my relatives?

Originally Posted by gynn (Post 974684)

Yes, but the watered down resolution would urge everyone to sit round the table and sort out Aunty's...er I mean your relatives problems.

Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob (Post 974673)

I have a better one, My Family is descended from Rodobert de Cumin, a companion of the Conqueror. At the time of the conquest, some years ago, several members of the extended family were left behind in Normandy, in the region to the west of Rouen. Recently it has come to my attention that my, by now considerably extended, family still extant in that region, are being subjected to unfair taxation, sequestration of property, and unlawful detention by agents of the government of the French Republic, with whom they are in dispute and whose legitimacy they decline to recognise.

Though there has not, to my knowlege, been any attempt at murder or rape committed by the agents of the Government of the Republic of France the family feel that it is merely a matter of time. There has certainly been several outbreaks of pillage however, and the family live in constant fear of the midnight knock at the door.

Could I as a British Subject, UK taxpayer and resident of Hyndburn ask the council to pass a motion condemning the actions of the government of the French Republic in regard to my relatives?

Originally Posted by walkinman221 (Post 974696)

No you can't what goes around comes around , your relatives did the same to my relatives in 1066 or there abouts:D

Originally Posted by gynn (Post 974684)

Yes, but the watered down resolution would urge everyone to sit round the table and sort out Aunty's...er I mean your relatives problems.

Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob (Post 974716)

You know, even though the Conquest took place almost a thousand years ago, it is amazing how little actually changes; you peasants still have far too much to say for yourselves. :D:D:D

Originally Posted by gynn (Post 974683)

If Aunt Matilda had loads of family and fiends in Hyndburn, you could argue that it is a matter of concern to the community here, and under the constitution, you could get the Council to debate it. Be prepared for your motion deploring Aunty's treatment to be watered down, and everyone involved be urged to sit round the table and sort out Aunty's problems.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 974900)

You are taking the you know what here aren't you, you know as well as I do it wouldn't see the light of day anywhere near an HBC meeting, because there would be little or no backlash from a refusal:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by gynn (Post 974920)

But nobody at HBC expected the wrath of AccyWeb!

Originally Posted by gynn (Post 974636)

Whatever the lessons to be learned, let's learn them and move on!

Originally Posted by gynn (Post 974920)

You are right, of course, jaysay. It raises the question of whether there would have been a backlash if the Council had not allowed the Kashmir item to be presented.

The answer would appear to be that no-one knows, and the Council saw that it was treading on eggshells. So rightly or wrongly they let the item through, albeit with a much watered down resolution, hoping it would quickly be forgotten.

But nobody at HBC expected the wrath of AccyWeb!

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 974927)

Thanks for your continued contribution to this thread though.

Keeping it topical.

I half expected you wouldn't

Originally Posted by gynn (Post 974957)

If you can't beat'em, join 'em :(

If I hadn't continued contributing to this thread, I'd have been talking to myself!

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 974928)

a wrong is a wrong no matter who does it or why

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 975275)

we have so many of our own problems to sort out, here in the actual borough of Hyndburn itself.