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Neil 17-03-2012 04:56

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 978386)
See post 8,;)

I have seen that but I doubt a Councillor can ask to see a persons license. It will probably be some council officers and I was wondering who.

jaysay 17-03-2012 08:12

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 978385)
I wonder who has the authority to check them out and what would happen if they don't have a license.

If I remember rightly Neil you get a letter from the Licensing authority, which list all the dos and don'ts and I think must be available for inspection on the day of collection, I always used to take that letter with me when out collecting. Just seen your above post Neil, would think any councillor could ask to see the authorisation

susie123 17-03-2012 10:05

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From HBC website:

Only local authorities issue street collection licences under Section 5 of the Police, Factories, etc. (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1916, as amended by the Local Government Act 1972 and Schedule 29 of that Act.

As it's an offence under this law not to have a licence then surely it's down to the police to check them out and prosecute. Probably means it'll never happen.

Don't think councillors would have any authority at all.

accyman 17-03-2012 12:48

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well if benches are removed to stop alcholics gathering in town center then maybe ban money from town center so theres no reason for charity collectors to be there.

i dont see any point in wasting police time with crime infact not getting them to do their job is working so well why start making them do it now?

annesingleton 17-03-2012 17:13

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I saw some collectors on Broadway today in silly hats collecting for Marie Curie cancer care.

Neil 17-03-2012 18:28

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Originally Posted by susie123 (Post 978431)
From HBC website:

Only local authorities issue street collection licences under Section 5 of the Police, Factories, etc. (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1916, as amended by the Local Government Act 1972 and Schedule 29 of that Act.

As it's an offence under this law not to have a licence then surely it's down to the police to check them out and prosecute. Probably means it'll never happen.

Don't think councillors would have any authority at all.

Thank you for the info, I also do not think a councillor has any authority to enforce anything the council is responsible for like licensing or litter/dog fines etc

lindsay ormerod 18-03-2012 11:13

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Why don't the Police just have a copy of who has a licence to collect for each week and then when on duty they could check??:confused:

susie123 18-03-2012 11:35

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Originally Posted by lindsay ormerod (Post 978686)
Why don't the Police just have a copy of who has a licence to collect for each week and then when on duty they could check??:confused:

Probably cost too much in admin for the council to send a list to the police.

jaysay 18-03-2012 11:47

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Originally Posted by susie123 (Post 978692)
Probably cost too much in admin for the council to send a list to the police.

What a first class stamp, they have been known to send out, by post, a final demands for 2p none payment of council tax susie:rolleyes:

Bob Dobson 18-03-2012 14:17

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The register of licenses may be available for public view at the council offices. This is doing my blood pressure no good. The offences here isn't just collecting without a licence, but obtaining money ( a pecuniary advantage) by deception.It is a matter for the police.

accyman 18-03-2012 15:53

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if you want the police to act ring 999 and report them.Every 999 call has to be responed to but the calls do get prooritised so it could be up to 2-3 days until they attend depending how serious the think obtaining money by deception is

katex 18-03-2012 15:58

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To be fair here, we don't know whether this 'profusion' (don't know the collective noun for collectors :D ) of charity collectors were operating illegally.

Understand this is a duty that has been consigned to the PCSO's, so that Police Officers can get on with other important matters.

We also don't know how often they check up on them, do we. I feel sure they will quite often. So doesn't seem fair to criticise the Police Force here without knowing any facts.

It would be the Council, from what I gather, that would decide on a prosecution or not.

accyman 18-03-2012 16:07

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surely if they are operating without a licence they are obtaining money by deception which is an issue for the police.If they are a propper fund raising group they would be squeaky clean and adhere to the rules.If someone is collecting without a licence/permission its not too far a stretch to assume the money is going diectly into their pockets at the end of the day.

i dont think theres any problem if somone thinks something is amiss and decides to ring the police especially as the same group of people are collecting for multiple charities which in its self is odd unless people are now paid to collect money which seems even more odd

jaysay 18-03-2012 17:33

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 978719)
surely if they are operating without a licence they are obtaining money by deception which is an issue for the police.If they are a proper fund raising group they would be squeaky clean and adhere to the rules.If someone is collecting without a licence/permission its not too far a stretch to assume the money is going directly into their pockets at the end of the day.

i dont think there's any problem if someone thinks something is amiss and decides to ring the police especially as the same group of people are collecting for multiple charities which in its self is odd unless people are now paid to collect money which seems even more odd

Not as odd as you think accyman, you want to take a look at the balance sheet of most of the national charities, and see just how much money is paid in wages, will open your eyes, it certainly opened mine.

katex 18-03-2012 17:37

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 978717)
Understand this is a duty that has been consigned to the PCSO's, so that Police Officers can get on with other important matters.


It would be the Council, from what I gather, that would decide on a prosecution or not.

Honestly, I am not even sure about this. Some Councils talk about 'Council Enforcement Staff' who carry out this enforcement. Are they part of the Lawyers' Office ? Staff appears to be low on the ground for approaching street collectors, and haven't time to wander the streets looking for culprits. Also, most don't work on Saturdays.

Perhaps the police only get involved when there is disruption to the flow of foot fall or some sort of franchais breaks out ?

I would presume that once someone is prosecuted for having no licence, then any suspected fraudulent activities may be reported to the police.

Don't think any of the posters on this thread actually know the facts, we're all just speculating ....:)

Will look forward to Cllr. Pritchard filling us in on this.


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