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Neil 18-03-2012 21:21

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This looks like a massive mistake to me, according to a tweet I just read there was supposed to be a midnight embargo on this big announcement but the picture below blows that.

Here is a link to the tweet that announced it http://twitpic.com/8y6ax5

http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net...MjDRKceQUtht0_

davemac 18-03-2012 21:35

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I thought the road tax was the motorist contributing to the road system, how can a toll then be introduced on something that belongs to the taxpayer (theoretically):stop:

We pay road fund licence, we have to pay tax on the fuel we use, how many more ways are there to get money out of the motorist to use the road system?

lancsdave 18-03-2012 21:44

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No doubt if it does happen Cameron or one of his cronies will have a stake in the ownership of any company given the contract

Retlaw 18-03-2012 22:03

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 978792)
This looks like a massive mistake to me, according to a tweet I just read there was supposed to be a midnight embargo on this big announcement but the picture below blows that.

Here is a link to the tweet that announced it Monday's Independent - "Caneron to fill hole in nat... on Twitpic

http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net...MjDRKceQUtht0_

How could that possibly work, it would cost millions just to set up, and if it did, it would be years before it showed any return. Who actually owns the road, say between Church & Whitebirk, or Baxenden to Rising Bridge.

Retlaw.

cmonstanley 18-03-2012 23:38

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taking us back to the 18th century\ :eek:

Neil 18-03-2012 23:54

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 978810)
taking us back to the 18th century\ :eek:

18th centuary?
Will we have to use horses and not cars on these privatised roads?

Neil 18-03-2012 23:55

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Another link here to this story from the Telegraph Privatised roads to get country moving again - Telegraph

DaveinGermany 19-03-2012 05:16

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Absolute no brainer, what a balloon head, it won't help anything except the companies with the contracts & Joe public will suffer again, not just privately with their own vehicle but anything that comes from the shops has to be delivered in the first place by road.

cashman 19-03-2012 05:19

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Its just another idea on how to screw Joe Public, n some are too dim to see how "Real Tories" are.:rolleyes:

maxthecollie 19-03-2012 05:58

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Cameron and his cronies do not need to worry about private roads as they are all loaded and can afford to use these roads. Once again stuff the working class

jaysay 19-03-2012 08:07

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This is something that as been happening in other countries for a long time, especially the States, with road users going to increase by by 40% by 2035, unless something is done now the countries roads are going to be like the M25 at rush hour, wall to wall traffic jams. Just wondering what are the alternatives, restricting car use maybe. Road maintenance has been neglected by every colour of government over the last 40 years. Maybe ring fencing the road tax could be a start, as only a fraction of what is raised through it is spent on what it should be

davemac 19-03-2012 12:15

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This is a mad idea but only one of many to stuff the motorist, and it does not just include the Tory's. If you remember the labour government wanted to track cars by GPS. and have them pay for the distance traveled and on which roads.
To me this is just rearranging the deck chairs, lets start a game who has the biggest pothole.

( And before you say it I mean holes in the road, not somewhere you stick a spliff)

katex 19-03-2012 15:04

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Cameron's announcement isn't really anything new. I guess the focus is on trying to encourage more private sector involvement rather than just allowing it. The rest of the world generally builds roads in this way, but the major difference is that their current cost of driving is generally lower, so paying tolls is not so much of an issue.

It has been predicted, though, that through the income of tolls, could bring the cost of Road Tax down....mmmm.

ToffeeGuy 19-03-2012 17:21

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I thought Cameron only drove on private roads anyway, through the country estates and manor house drives of his pals from the Bullingdon Club and Eton.

gynn 19-03-2012 17:29

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Originally Posted by ToffeeGuy (Post 978882)
I thought Cameron only drove on private roads anyway, through the country estates and manor house drives of his pals from the Bullingdon Club and Eton.

He's planning ahead for when he has to use public roads to visit his pals Rebekah and Charlie in Holloway and Wormwood Scrubs.....

Allegedly.

jimmy 19-03-2012 18:09

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 978819)
Its just another idea on how to screw Joe Public, n some are too dim to see how "Real Tories" are.:rolleyes:

Hey Cashy, who was in charge when the M6 toll rd opened in 2003.

It wouldn't have been the Labour party would it?

cashman 19-03-2012 18:14

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Originally Posted by jimmy (Post 978898)
Hey Cashy, who was in charge when the M6 toll rd opened in 2003.

It wouldn't have been the Labour party would it?

Its a simple point, The revenue from Road Tax,plus the Tax on fuel, would easily solve the road repair problem, in case yeh aint noticed its 2012 now.:rolleyes: Fool! it matters not who is in charge its wrong simple as? bit hard fer some to comprehend i know, but please try.

jaysay 19-03-2012 18:20

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 978899)
Its a simple point, The revenue from Road Tax,plus the Tax on fuel, would easily solve the road repair problem, in case yeh aint noticed its 2012 now.:rolleyes: Fool! it matters not who is in charge its wrong simple as? bit hard fer some to comprehend i know, but please try.

Just a pity that that option was taken in one of Labours 10 year plans marshaled by Two Jags, mind you when 10 year plans only lasted 18 months before they had a rethink its hardly surprising really, as usual just another thing left for the Tories to pick up the pieces and there are a hell of a lot of pieces to pick up;)

katex 19-03-2012 18:25

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 978899)
Its a simple point, The revenue from Road Tax,plus the Tax on fuel, would easily solve the road repair problem, in case yeh aint noticed its 2012 now.:rolleyes: Fool! it matters not who is in charge its wrong simple as? bit hard fer some to comprehend i know, but please try.

Not taking up on your point of who is in charge, Cashy, is going to be a problem no matter who is in power, due to the fact we all want cars now and overcrowding (as Jaysay mentioned), is our problem. It is us, the public, that are creating this problem. Just look down your street now and see how many houses have 2/3 cars. We are our own worst enemy, being lazy or snobby about public transport.

Ok, may generate more road tax,VAT from petrol sales,but this money does not go into a separate account. Goes direct into the Treasury pot and for the powers that be to decide which are the priorities. Some more than others.

accyman 19-03-2012 19:03

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Originally Posted by davemac (Post 978793)
I thought the road tax was the motorist contributing to the road system, how can a toll then be introduced on something that belongs to the taxpayer (theoretically):stop:

We pay road fund licence, we have to pay tax on the fuel we use, how many more ways are there to get money out of the motorist to use the road system?

for many years i also thought road tax was collected to pay for the repair etc of the road system but it turns out its collected to pay for everything infact most of it is probably spent repairing roads in other countries seen as our country likes to hand money over abroad hand over fist via EU membership and handouts to any other country that puts its gruppy paw out :rolleyes:

god forbid money collected from british citizens be spent sorting out british problems:mad:

Not to worry though we have a MP who has sworn to vote in favour of a referendum to stop this happening twice on this forum so lets wait and see what happens...

oh wait theres been a vote to say if we get a referendum lets go see how our MP voted im sure with him knowing the feelings of the vast majority of his people that he will vote in favour of our demoratic right to a say on this matter.......

OOPS turns out he stabbed us in the back

Mancie 19-03-2012 20:10

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Originally Posted by jimmy (Post 978898)
Hey Cashy, who was in charge when the M6 toll rd opened in 2003.

It wouldn't have been the Labour party would it?

The M6 toll road was commissioned in 1991.. that shows the timescale of any new proposals ... anyway this is just a red herring shoved in by Cameron to deflect from the NHS bill and any tax reduction for those earning over 150k anum. :rolleyes:

Alan Varrechia 19-03-2012 21:33

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The myth of 'road tax' returns to haunt us again | Environment | guardian.co.uk

Hope this works. Seems road tax used to be for repairing maintaining roads until 1937 when a certain tory decided to redirect it elseware. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

cmonstanley 20-03-2012 00:16

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the company who run the private road lost 48 million and had to be bailed out.the railways got privatised and got bailed out with 2 billion more than when it was nationalised.the tories are idiots,

kestrelx 20-03-2012 10:13

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 978813)
Another link here to this story from the Telegraph Privatised roads to get country moving again - Telegraph

I thougth they were building these hi-speed train networks so people didn't have to use cars so much! Seems they are a bit confused about what they are doing. Privatised roads - they'll be buidling them left right and centre; damaging the environment even more!

Eric 20-03-2012 12:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 978826)
This is something that as been happening in other countries for a long time, especially the States, with road users going to increase by by 40% by 2035, unless something is done now the countries roads are going to be like the M25 at rush hour, wall to wall traffic jams. Just wondering what are the alternatives, restricting car use maybe. Road maintenance has been neglected by every colour of government over the last 40 years. Maybe ring fencing the road tax could be a start, as only a fraction of what is raised through it is spent on what it should be

What you guys need is a bigger country ... we don't have that problem over here;):D

Less 20-03-2012 15:08

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 979011)
What you guys need is a bigger country ... we don't have that problem over here;):D

Thank's to the EEC we have a restriction on the size of Country we can import, If you want us, you're going to have to invite us around to your place, I bagsy a seat near the log fire so I can relish in the aroma of drying dog.

susie123 20-03-2012 15:14

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 979042)
Thank's to the EEC we have a restriction on the size of Country we can import, If you want us, you're going to have to invite us around to your place, I bagsy a seat near the log fire so I can relish in the aroma of drying dog.

Less you must stop making me laugh - it hurts! But I love the picture you paint...


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