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TNT have started posting letters round my way - I think they mainly do mass mailout deals for big companies like banks and finance companies, not single personal letters, yet anyway. The guy comes on a push bike with the logo on stands it outside and then delivers by hand. I would think the Royal Mail will always run the mail boxes. But at the end of the day there is too much competition to have a monopoly on it?

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tnt another foreign firm who avoid paying full tax .there will be nothing british owned thanks to the tory lies. we are the party for Britain = fail we will get tax dodgers = fail we will keep the nhs = fail tough on immigration = fail they are liars or incompetent . if milliband has anything about him he would re-nationalize royal mail , the utilities and the railways. that's billions £s more to leave the economy and the country. tnt are pulling a flanker by taking the government to court because whoever buys the royal mail will start with a 20% reduction in their vat, when in fact they could turn round and buy the royal mail on the cheap. say hello to 3 days a week post. this is nothing short of treason.

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What is nothing short of treason?

Which of the above ramblings is it?

Foreign Companies?
Tax dodgers?
The party for Britain?
Immigration?
Liars?
Milliband?
A 3 day a week postal Service?
All of the above?

Or

Your corruption of the Queens English and any type of logical thought?
:o

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Less, Cashy has a very good saying......it goes like this...'you can't put sense where there is none'
It is very true in the case of this member.

He remembers all of the things he can lay at the door of the Tories, but none of the things perpetrated by Tony Blair and his cronies....in his eyes(though he may now tell you differently - he never mentioned it at the time) they could do no wrong.

Politicians are politicians...they aren't in the job to make life easier or better for the electorate, but to line their pockets and to secure a place on the gravy train for themselves.

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Bloody hell John three different wards no wonder the nhs is on its knees:D

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Me to mog i also would not be here if it were not for the fantastic (in general) staff of the nhs:alright:

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selling off a service which is not theirs to sell. they weren't even elected, they had to form a coalition, which means they are not even in the right to sell. Gordon's brown biggest mistake was not to call a general election when he first came in and to safeguard essential services along with keeping mandelson away from the labour party..

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Let me sit dowm.......I am seeing things is this our 'blind faith' New Labour supporter actually admitting that any of this revered party got something wrong?

Pass me the smelling salts......I'm going to have to lie down!

NO C'mon you are wrong........that wasn't Gordon Brown's biggest mistake...it was just one of a string of mistakes that he and his colleagues made.
Most of the mistakes GB made were while he was Chancellor , and in charge of the money.

Our children and our grandchildren will be paying for them in the years to come.

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I saw the TNT guy this morning cycling by on his orange bike, looks like Norman Tebbit's wish has come true - "on your bike" and the Royal Mail posties may end up on their bikes in stead of the vans they currently use!

This is a photo of my local Royal Mail sorting office which is about as big as Karimor was back in the 70's...and currently being demolished.

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I was in a total of 9 weeks, admitted twice, being moved once to isolation due to MRSA 4 weeks on C6 3 weeks on C9 2 weeks on B6:eek:

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Well at least your on the right track, we'd have got shut of Labour three years earlier than we did which would have save a small fortune, seeing Brown started throwing money about like confetti during his time at number 10, money we didn't have money he borrowed and we're still paying for now:eek:

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£3.2 billion coming into the coffers thanks to Gordon brown;)

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Don't mention what went out,when he flogged the gold off.:rolleyes:

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That's peanuts compared with the money he wasted

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facts and figures please. anyway with the privatized post office your details will be sold off to the highest bidder;) and you will never find out as the freedom of information act doesn't cover private firms due to the commercial act .

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Ill state posting facts and figure when you refrain from relying on duff info from the Guardian and other stupid publications, anyway there's no need for facts and figures it was as plain as nose on your face that this country was going down the tubes fast in 2010, thanks to your Scottish buddies Tony and Gordon, spend spend spend, just like Viv Nicholson, she ended up broke as well

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more tory sell offs to come, police,fire brigade,ambulance service,nhs,public services,houses of parliament,schools,royalty the list is endless,so let them get on with it.

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Yep, why not?

We're all in it together, mind you it's going to be a bit cramped when we all go to hell in the same handcart!
;)

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Nah Less, that'll be privatised too, so there'll be only places for those who can afford it, the rest of us will have to use the stairs. :D

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Can I have a piggyback please Dave:D

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Nice one DAVOO:D

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fragile and in a crappy box like that I would be asking for a refund.. I would be embarrassed sending something fragile in that box;) the tories are cutting corners to make a 400 million profit to make it more attractive to the share buyers.;):p

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Somehow. I don't think the Conservative party sent that package....

Its up to the person sending to use something more suitable.

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If it rains on washday Restless, cmon blames the Tories:rolleyes:

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The box was probbably in perfect condition before royal mail played football with it

they are so undedicated to handling your items with any respect or care that they will not honor insurance they insist you pay when sending an item made of glass.They demand you pay the insurance on your package as it is included in the fee and you can not send the item without this enforced insurance yet they wont cover breakage to glass so they know that they will most likely smash it:rolleyes:

if they were confident that your item was going to be handled in a propper manner they would cover glass items

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most royal mail workers work in all seasons of weather, they deliver millions of parcels so the sender should have put it in a more compact box, at least you got it ive had loads of parcels go missing. I blame this on the recruitment campaign they had when they took on people without the proper crb checks. this would have been orders from the politicians to discredit the royal mail so they can sell it off. and mandelson is still a ****;)

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All the postmen I have spoken to are demoralised and unenthusiastic about this sell off. When did you last hear a whistling postie eh? ;)
How will privatisation revitalise the foot soldiers?

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watchdog once sent 4 birthday cards with £10 in each to various addressess and only one made it to its location with the £10 still inside.

2 didnt make it at all and vanished where as the last one was delivered but it was taped up after it had been opened and had the £10 removed

if you must send cash via royal mail put the birthday card in a plane envolope as the coloured ones are a gold mine for the theives

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And to send £10 special delivery will cost you the best part of £7

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and your still a dickhead;)

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that tells the truth;)

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Surprised you agree with jaysay, cmon. Still, very honest of you!

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weve been known to agree on things ,in the past:D here comes 3 day a week post:eek:

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If your lucky

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well goodbye British owned royal mail as the Singaporean and Kuwaiti governments are the main shareholders. another great British institution sold down the river by the tories:(

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you forgot the words " loss making" ..

this will either make it stands up on its own two feet or die. Why should we subsidise a loss making industry.

this offering still leaves the pension deficit of a badly run organisation with the uk tax payer. something I think is a tragedy from a business perspective but critical from a human citizen perspective. could you say to each postie that you would rather sell his pension down the river for a few more quid on the table now?

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It's such a loss making industry that the share value has risen by almost 25%..obviously someone with money thinks that the loss can be turned around..OR...the bankers and paper waving morons on the floor are massaging the figures to make a killing when prices drop.

I'd bet the latter...paper waving morons and bankers make a fortune and the public lose a trusted service

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We've had all this argy bargy about selling off the post office, but at this moment who owns the post office, and who is running it.

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its the assets that's what they are after, I counted at least 20 royal mail properties in Fulham hammersmith Chelsea Kensington very affluent areas;) last week. these buildings will be sold off cheaply and the work outsourced to the likes of the tax dodging tnt, the inept yodel. some things are worth keeping. in the long run its going to cost British firms billions. the main shareholders are the Kuwaiti and Singaporean government hedge fund. this was an important piece of British infrastructure. god help us now remember the tories said splitting up the utilities would create competition and make energy cheaper, which they really meant the competition was who could raise the prices the quickest. royal mail was breaking even before the price increases. the royal mail provided decent and permanent jobs for which you need to create a fair and decent society and not the society of envy which the right wing and tory press are trying to portray.

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The price has gone up because the business can now be actually run as a business and not just as a loss making community service. I am pleased the nations debt is not going to rise, and the fact that billions can be recovered in the process is a win win.

Royal Mail now stands a chance as a business, time will tell if it makes something of the opportunity it now has. My hope is the government sells it's remaining 30% stake.

The concept of loss of Britishness is such nonsense. There are loads if examples of successful British businesses, like Intercontinental Hotels or Diagio.

Most people in the world think Guiness is an Irish drink, but it isn't, it's British owned. People also think Smirnoff is Russian, but it too is British. Have Ireland and Russia lost their identity? No, not at all, they were just acquired by the largest spirits manufacturer in the world (Diageo), which happens to be British !

4 of the top 15 drinks brands in the world are British (Johnny Walker, Smirnoff, Baileys, Crown Royal). So raise a British glass to the Royal Mail freed from the shackles of the state. Good luck to them.

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It's worked so well for the energy 'businesses' who are currently (pun intended) in the process of screwing us for even more money to put into the back pockets of investors, whilst threatening the possibility of blackouts in the winter through lack of investment. Foreign investment wins, British public freeze and sit in the dark. But hey, as long as it's run as a business who cares how many pensioners have to sit in their homes wondering whether to risk having a hot meal which costs more in fuel to make than it does to buy the ingredients.

It's worked so well for the train 'businesses' who can't run trains because of the wrong type of snow, have outdated rolling stock, constant delays and have so many variations on pricing for a Preston/London return that you need a degree in economics to find the best price. Foreign investment cream the money, British public left freezing their nuts off on a draughty station waiting for the inevitably delayed train. But hey, as long as it's run like a business who cares that unprofitable routes are cut leaving some people without the option of public transport

Guinness is an Irish drink, Vodka is a Russian drink (Smirnoff is a brand name), just like Tea is an English drink (don't see many plantations up the coppice). I fail to see the relevance of this argument other than you attempting to show you know things that 'most people in the world' do not.

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that's because your nuts:D to run a business like so called ukplc you need infrastructure they have wrecked every bit of infrastructure that made Britain great every other country copied the British blueprint and think we are nuts getting rid of it. the tories say they are for business when they are the opposite. 1. they give huge tax dodging hedge fund firms backing when they should be giving support to the small medium business encouraging starting up business instead of giving the multinationals an unfair advantage by giving them taxpayer money in grants tax breaks etc. you need to create conditions for a successful economy for everybody not just the bankers and their hedge funds. you are talking about diageo when you have no clue about them they make me angry. johnny walker was from Kilmarnock made and bottled in Kilmarnock now it is an unemployment blackspot a community destroyed as there is not any presence of Johhny walker left in Kilmarnock ehh Diageo shareholders who are the major shareholders?;) they are another company who get subsidised from taxpayers .they got nearly 1 billion dollars from the good old us of and uk taxpayers

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For who? H.M.R.C. have stated the gap for Tax avoidance is £3 Billion more now under the Coalition than previous, Mind that should suit down to the ground people like you.:rolleyes: The fact we are becoming a tax haven fer you n yer mates, certainly wont prevent the debt rising as far as i can see.:rolleyes:

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You're only angry because you didn't buy some shares.

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Wont be long before we have a drop in centre to collect yer mail!

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Nobody has aswered my question ?.
We've had all this argy bargy about selling off the post office, who have got shares & who have'nt,
but at this moment who owns the post office, and who is running it, whos paying the wages of the bloke who just pushed a letter through the letter box ?.

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This sell of is nothing what so ever to do with the Post Office, its a different animal altogether, different business.

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they wont tell you that the government is still paying the wages thats why the government still own 38% but their hedge fund mates are coining it in. ive heard the major shareholders now are the Singaporean and Kuwaiti governments respectfully are now the major shareholders. The next objective is to get hold of the property especially in London and then outsource and TUPE the postal workers if not sack them off to tnt the dutch tax dodging firm who have already got a lot of government contracts. how can they say it was a good deal for the taxpayer :confused: this government has borrowed more money than gordon brown and tony blair together . this is one reason why they are having a fire sale and to line their mates pockets at the taxpayers expense.plus the pensions robert maxwell was going to jail for things like this now its the norm. this country is really a disgrace. the public take it now through the brainwashing by the right wing press. this country is a laughing stock.

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the post office is dead now as well ,thats why the crown post offices keep going on strike the rest are franchises which were run by the hedge fund companies which are now shutting them all down now because the clause is up in their contracts to keep them open. who owns the crown post offices yep you heard the next fire sale is coming soon.

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Ok, so I made a mistake between post office & Royal Mail, you post your mail at the post office, so who actuallay owns Royal Mail then, some one keeps rabbiting on about the singaporians, are now the owners, yet last nights news said that those who orderd 10 grand or more of shares won't get any, so how can any singa whatsits own the postal service if shares are limited to small investors.

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they are not limited to small investors they were open to hedge funds;) the same hedge funds who own the right wing press. you will now get limited information who bought these shares as they were private companies which are not covered by the freedom of information act.. other words the taxpayer has been stitched up:rolleyes:

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dirty robbing tory scum its not theirs to sell Royal Mail - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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yer link states clearly its government owned, so whilst i don't agree wi the sale, yeh sure don't help yer cause.:rolleyes: If its goverment owned please explain how they cannot sell it?

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This sell off is no different to GB selling the gold reserves at rock bottom prices.

The Royal Mail needs investment which the government are loath to commit to.
As a business it has been losing money..after all who posts letters anymore...but there is a vast increase in the number of parcels being handled.

It isn't only hedge fund managers who buy into such businesses, but pension funds and organisations also buy into them to make their money go further.

I suppose you would do away with all capitalism would you?
Please tell us what you would replace it with...and how would this work better.
I'm sure you will have an answer, you always seem to know what is coming..or so you would like us to believe.

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if they sell up will the queens head still be on the stamps?

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Small investors were allocated 33%, the government retains 30%, and multiple institutional investors 37%. The government therefore remains by far the largest shareholder.

The Singapore government is an institutional investor because they aren't stupid enough sell the countries gold reserves at $300 and they have not racked up mountains of debt. Singapore is a solvent state with $110,000 of surplus reserves for every man woman and child in the country. They have to put that money somewhere. Bankrupt Britain has the converse position.

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so the 10% given to employees counted in these figures:confused: who cant sell them for 3 years. i think you need to read the history of the Singaporean government lol if britain is bankrupt why do the tories keep borrowing:eek::confused: lol

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Yes, but apparently the vans will lose the 'Royal' prefix.

And c'mon, you didn't bother to answer my question...again.

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I would bet he knows much more about the Singaporean Govt than you do.

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cmon, check your facts before you start ranting!
Anyone who ordered £750 worth got them. Anyone who ordered £10,000 or more got none.
A hedge fund would't order £750 worth- it wants millions. So the big buyers are having to buy them off the little buyers(including the Royal Mail workers) at the new price. Nice profit for the little buyers! And if they don't want to sell they don't have to.
When it all settles down you'll find huge blocks will be owned by various pension funds who pay UK pensioners from the income from these and other shares.
So it's not all bad.

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check your quotes a 100,000 people who subscribed never got any. the hedge funds got theirs first as you were allowed to buy more through registered brokers;) read the facts first not listen to sky news as their parent company also has hedge fund links to the Singaporean government ;)

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im not against capitalism im all for the normal person in the street starting their own business ,but in this country you are in a disadvantage as the hedge fund companies dont pay the right tax and destroy all opposition with government support. the tories are not for business they are for destroying competitive business. thats a fact the fact and figures tell you that . the country needs infrastructure for normal businesses to suceed.

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I'll answer your question if I may...what would I replace it with?

There are staple industries that should be held by the people. The government, elected by the people, should then employ competent people to run these industries. These competent people should be rewarded handsomely for success and fired for failure, as should the individual government ministers if they employed numpties.

It's common sense not rocket science.

I would list power, communication, health and public transport as the major staple industries.



Instead we have a growing foreign ownership of our infrastructure, who increase prices for no reason other than to line their pockets, who take our money out of the country and put next to nothing back as investment, which is typified by the possibility of blackouts this winter and poor rolling stock. I'd rather pay a 30% tax rate to keep these industries for the people than see one person die because they couldn't afford to heat their home or get an ambulance in time or didn't get their next chemotherapy appointment because they live on an unprofitable postal route.

Then again, I guess I'm labelled as a socialist, I believe the 'haves and healthy' should help the genuine 'have nots and sick'.


It is the failure of successive governments, both Labour and Tory (no distinction because recent leaders have been career politicians who are in it for fame and fortune, not to serve) , for employing absolute incompetent muppets, who then ran these industries into the ground, and the lack of accountability of government officials and associated civil servants for giving high level employees golden handshakes for being crap at their jobs that caused these staple industries to lose millions..it wasn't our fault, it wasn't the workers in these industries fault...and now they are selling off another staple industry because it makes a loss...wonder who caused it to make a loss...because it sure as hell wasn't the guy who delivers my junk mail every day.

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Guinness as always, you have highlighted some interesting points.
Alas, in the current situation many of these options are no longer available to us.
Hindsight is 20/20.
And you are right about the career politicians, those who were elected but know nothing of what real work is about, who are more interested in becoming 'celebrities' in political cirlces, making money off the backs of the working man.
True socialism has not existed since...well, let me think.....for a long time.
I can remember it...just.

In the past industries have gone to the wall because we exported jobs to countries who could do the job for less money.
We took our expertise and gave it to those people..we sold them machinery...and yet we didn't expect people in this country to want to buy goods that were cheaper, but did the local man out of a job...that is not a realistic expectation.

There are many reasons why industries failed...and they all need to be considered, not just the ones which fit into our own political ideology.

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Wrong, check your facts. Will the BBC,left wing enough even for you, do?

BBC News - Royal Mail sale: Small investors will be favoured

Read it all before you post rubbish again. As someone said, you do your beliefs no favors.

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Actually, cmon( grits teeth ) you may be right. There appear to be two separate sell offs, one of which was not much mentioned. Too late now to dig further, will try tomorrow. Apology may be called for.

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its alright you weren't wrong just misinformed by the mainstream media lol ,no but seriously the newscasters havent told the whole story as there is vested interests and will only tell us half a story. i vested an interest in these shares to have a wee dig at the information. the stockbroker bit was interesting;)

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its so brazen they don't even care what the public think George Osborne's best man Peter Davies to make millions from Royal Mail shares | Mail Online sorry for the daily Reichstag link;)

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100% agree in the expertise argument..you need look no further than the demise of Bulloughs/Platts who exported the machinery to the 'third world' and sent people over to show them how to fix, maintain and build these machines themselves.

The reason that produced goods are cheaper is a tad more complex...multi national companies looking to make maximum profit for investors pay sweat shop wages in countries without adequate employment laws, spend a few quid on a footballer advert and a product placement in a major film, charge top dollar for the latest fad for a few weeks and then offer them at sale prices (circumventing pricing regulations)...all the kids buy said product...vicious circle until some newspaper latches on, shames the multinational with photos of people with relatives who died in locked sweat shop fires, multinationals then hold their hands up aghast and say..'we didn't know, honest guv'..yeah right!

Yet again, the government is at fault, it should be a government responsibility to ban imports from countries without adequate employment laws. It really is that simple.

It's ludicrous that this country sets so much store by the Human Rights act yet chooses to ignore it regarding cheap imports!

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It's not about the Tories Stan. Your mate Gordon spent all the money with the greatest unfunded and unsustainable and unnecessary spending binge in our history. The only time our country was worse off was at the end of WW2, but at least there was good reason for it back then.

You do realise that Gordon's idol and hero was Alan Greenspan, a guy whose economic theories are the cause of the financial Ponzi scheme we watch today. Alan Greenspan was knighted by labour in 2002 and just 2 days after he left the Fed he set up a consultancy firm. First customer? You guessed it, Gordon Brown..... Alan Greenspan became special advisor to Gordon to advise the then Chancellor (Feb 2006).

We could and probably should debate the resulting end of the financial world as we know it, talk about Fiat Currencies and the inevitable collapse of money in its current form, but this is the post office thread so this isn't the place.

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liar liar your pants on fire lol the tories have borrowed more than gordon brown ever did;)

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The more you and your communist scum shout the more Labour become unelectable carry on your doing a great job.:dancedog:

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nothing to do with it, better to know what your talking about before writing it down

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Your not against capitalism :rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:cmons one legged arm, left, left, left left left :Dyour not against it your just the green eyed yellow monster of envy :D:D:D

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to furnish the interest on Gordon's debt with supporters like you its hardly any wonder that they leave the economy as a basket case every time they're kick out of office;)

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see the usual tory tactic , I don't need envy I live quite comfortable thank you very much;) I believe in a fair society which will work for future generations. not the quick buck schemes that are changing the country for the worse. the tories stand in front of a union flag but they are the party who most threaten the existence of the union flag. other countries used to envy the uk now they think we are a jumble sale of assets.

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I put this on to create a reaction which is so predictable ,people on the street are angry, genuine disabled people having to move from their homes of 20 years plus etc.

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as the reason Mrs Thatcher refused to privatise the business sooner was the refusal to "privatise the queens head" and the likelihood of any foreign controlling interest to remove said head from future stamps I would consider the comment a valid one plus diversifying the argument in progress mea culpa

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forgot to add the only things with queens head on is royal mail and currency as the queen will not allow her image to be utilised for advertising purposes can her head remain on a privatised stamp

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Again some interesting points....and I know that the reason goods are cheaper from these foreign countries is more complex...but if we had not sold the machines and th skills in the first place then they may have had to look elsewhere...but I am not so naive to think that someone in this great big world would not have stepped in and the result would be exactly the same...cheap goods from abroad.
And I'm sure I remember times in the past where import tariffs were placed on goods to make them less attractive cost wise here, but the countries producung these goods complained about us blocking their industries and trade, and of course they were lifted.

Since Platts/Bullough/Saco Lowell, there have been many governments in power what did they do to try and stem this trade?...not much .
And while the wages abroad are low...in the countries where the goods are made the cost of living is cheaper, raw materials cheaper too.......and it means the people who often would not have a job, are employed and can provide for their families...where otherwise this would not be possible.
We cannot influence the employment laws in other countries by not buying the goods they produce.

Businesses are in business to make a profit, not for philanthropic reasons...and businesses have overheads, development costs etc......not all the profits go to the shareholders, though there has to be something in it for them to invest.
My gripe is with businesses who make big profits but do not pay their share of taxes, because this increases the burden on the small tax payer like you and me...and what galls me even further is that HMRC will chase me or you for a few hundred quid, but will let the big boys get away with billions....now that is what gets my goat!

If these big multi nationals paid what they should pay, then there would be more than enough money to go around to make sure those in genuine need are looked after.
And this is the governments fault, and that of the governments who came before...because they know of these loopholes and yet they fail to close them....this applies to all parties what ever colour banner they travel under.

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the thing is the multi nationals don't care about any country or any nationality especially the so called British ones owned by foreign governments. we need companies with social cohesion not like the diageos who destroy and betray the forefathers of the founding companies.. if they had any social conscience they would have built a museum ,a distillery and kept johnnie walker in Kilmarnock .. johnnie walker is no longer johnnie walker to me or most people from Kilmarnock.

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and governments can make them care? How exactly is that done?
Caring is an emotion, there are no friends, no emotions in business...business exists simply to make a profit.......what companies do with that profit is what signifies them as responsible, or irresponsible. It is irresponsible to trade in a country and not be prepared to pay what the taxes are in that country...but most of these companies will tell you that they pay their dues...what the tax specialists tell them is their dues...our government and ones before it allows these companies to pay little, by not closing the tax loopholes...and that is the great shame of both this government and ones before it...because they know that these loopholes exist, and let the big companies get away with it.

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I wouldn't miss the queens head - off with it !:D
Liberty, Fraternity, Egality -:behead:

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Well you have always been a pork pie short of a picnic:rolleyes:

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You ooze jealousy from head to foot, you despise anybody who'll get of their arse to better themselves, you and your communist mates only set on bringing everybody down to your pathetic way of working, namely bring this country to its knees, for your own political purpose.

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ha ha just because im not a tory doesn't mean I haven't run my own business. your now acting like a clown lol im all for fair competitive companies. I don't agree that certain infrastructure should be in private hands as it gives companies an unfair advantage as there is no competition. the only competition there is to see who can charge the most. in fact they aren't even companies they are other countries governments. how can you run an economy when your competitors control your energy firms:confused::confused:

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You make sure Labour don't get their sticky fingers on Power, insidently never heard to much about Labour trying to re nationalize all the businesses when they were in power and if you remember it was Labour that first muted selling off the post office:rolleyes: As for running your own business, when did you go bank.:rolleyes:

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it was mandelson and his cronies ive already stated my views on them. its like having an advertisement in the paper asking people to send 2.99 to a po box to get the answer how to keep your hands soft while washing the dishes... and getting the answer let somebody else do it:D

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Sorry read Mandelson read Labour Party end of story

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That's what you are saying now......pity you didn't say it back then as well.

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i did onwards and upwards;)

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I do not recall you ever saying anything critical about the Blair government......so I reckon you are being economical with the truth. You have proved you posted something criticising the Labour government in respect of the post office, but nothing else.

Most of the stuff you post is cut and paste sensationalist headlines, and the rest is gobbledy-gook...hard to plough through, and even harder to make sense of.

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I disagreed with the Iraq war;)

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you might have done...many people did...but did you tell us you disagreed with it?

You said very little critical about the government which was presided over by Bliar(not a typo) and Brown....the government which spent money like a lotto winner...money which we didn't have.
I am not the only one on this forum who thinks this.......many have said similar things about your allegiances.

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they didn't spend any more than any other government has . in fact this administration is spending more on welfare than labour ever did;)

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So that's alright then. Labour didn't spend any more than any other government - yeah right!
They are spending more on welfare....? Thought they had cut the welfare bill.
Isn't that what you want? Freely available welfare for all and sundry.

The EU tells us that we are supporting 600,000 migrants from european countries.....figures from the EU...not from this government...people who have come here purely because they can obtain benefits without having worked for them, without putting a penny into the pot...paying no taxes(other than those levied on the goods they buy)...people who are escaping from the eurozone for purely financial reasons...not becasue they have skills that we need or that they have family here.

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The only problem I've got with it is you should have been on the front line:rolleyes: