Originally Posted by Taggy (Post 1000397)

I'm afraid the days of Politicians taking any notice of what we want have long since gone Jaysay, the only time they actually listen is when their jobs are on the line and even then its only to pay lip service to our concerns, they've no intention of actually acting on the wishes of oiks like us!

Best regards - Taggy

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1000403)

Like i n others said long ago, The only remote chance of owt changing is to vote U.K.I.P. if enough people do, Then n only then will the "Untouchables" crap themselves n give us a referendum.

Originally Posted by maxthecollie (Post 1000430)

Who's to say U.K.I.P. wont change their minds if ever they get in. They all pee in the same pot.

Originally Posted by maxthecollie (Post 1000430)

Who's to say U.K.I.P. wont change their minds if ever they get in. They all pee in the same pot.

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1000438)

Havn't you heard? :confused:

The powers that be in Europe want monetary and fiscal union - they say that is the only way to keep the Euro going -they won't back down - they want everyone in a European Superstate! So we don't have a say!

They are all in it together!:alright:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1000441)

Urm yes that's basically what the links about:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1000448)

I'm telling you why there isn't going to be one - because they all want the EU to be running our lives - so this isn't a democracy!:eek:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1000452)

There is a steadily growing tide of opposition from members of his own party.....they see that David Cameron is out of touch with what the electorate are saying.....I think they realise that, at an election, this could be a deciding factor........they may promise to hold a referendum(and may actually do so) but there is nothing to say that they would act on the will of the people.

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1000458)

While I get what you are saying Cashy, I don't think that UKIP will ever get into power to be able to act on the people will. The only thing that UKIP have in their favour is to scare the bejasus out of the three main parties.....who are so similar now that you could hardly get a sheet of Bronco between them.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1000433)

Simple fact is,i give people a chance to tell the truth, before i discount em.:rolleyes: Plus only a numpty could imagine em getting in, but enough could vote fer em to worry the others, or is that hard to comprehend?

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1000458)

While I get what you are saying Cashy, I don't think that UKIP will ever get into power to be able to act on the people will. The only thing that UKIP have in their favour is to scare the bejasus out of the three main parties.....who are so similar now that you could hardly get a sheet of Bronco between them.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1000574)

Can't weigh Call me Dave up, he's now saying he could consider a vote on Europe, he changes his mind as regularly as he changes his socks, but if he does it would have to be binding or its not worth a light

Originally Posted by claytonx (Post 1000621)

He promised that on the Lisbon Treaty then did a U turn. Remember

Originally Posted by claytonx (Post 1000621)

He promised that on the Lisbon Treaty then did a U turn. Remember

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1000668)

That was good old Gordon well before Call Me Daves time

Originally Posted by claytonx (Post 1000669)

Confirming a complete U-turn on his "cast iron guarantee" that the Tory government would hold a public vote on the controversial treaty. David Cameron 04/11/2009

Guardian News

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1000453)

The main partys will not act on the peoples will, U.K.I.P. on the other hand are more likely too I.M.H.O.

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 1000610)

And now this pompous little get has said we can't have an EU referendum until the debt crisis has been sorted, So that'll be sometime never then. :rolleyes:

Britain must wait for Europe referendum, says William Hague - Telegraph

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 1000617)

Lads, lads you're being conned again ! It's typical bolitico speak, the usually lies & BS, saying what the good peoples of the land want to hear & how they'd really love to do it but ...... then chucking in a disclaimer as to why it's out of their hands & beyond their control due to some nasty peoples (probably the Germans) elsewhere. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1000709)

Please explain to the world "Why" it would be utter madness to leave the E.U.? Haven't noticed countries that aint in it, like Norway doin too badly.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1000712)

Yeh still aint give the reasons.:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by ToffeeGuy (Post 1000707)

If we did vote to leave the EU who's going to make sure my banana is straight?

It will NEVER happen.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1000712)

Yeh still aint give the reasons.:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 1000714)

Things change.

Some would have once said mildly racist comments would never be moved from the Lancashire Telegraph website...but your's were.

You can't halt progress.

Especially when the majority support it.

;)

Originally Posted by ToffeeGuy (Post 1000716)

Culturalist but never racist.

Originally Posted by ToffeeGuy (Post 1000716)

Culturalist but never racist.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 1000718)

I think for us to accept you as being cultured, you'd first have to learn how to spell burka/burqa correctly.

Originally Posted by ToffeeGuy (Post 1000719)

I was merely making a fashion statement. I didn't see many people wearing feather boas either but that would have been my next comment.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1000709)

Please explain to the world "Why" it would be utter madness to leave the E.U.? Haven't noticed countries that aint in it, like Norway doin too badly.

Originally Posted by claytonx (Post 1000669)

Confirming a complete U-turn on his "cast iron guarantee" that the Tory government would hold a public vote on the controversial treaty. David Cameron 04/11/2009

Guardian News

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1000726)

Cashy that is what the Europhiles want us to believe. It is scaremongering. It is the citing of job losses...and other things, that would make life in the UK harder for the common man...telling us that the countries in Europe would refuse to trade with us.

If we have a good product that is competitive...then the world will beat a path to our door.

It really doesn't matter how things go, to us 'oldies'. We have had our lives.

It does matter for the younger generations....if they do not want to be constantly paying for the debts of the weaker countries in the EU....Saddled with financial responsibility of them......if they do not want to be ruled from Brussels with laws that do not reflect our(the electorates) wishes....if they want to have work to support their families...then we must have the chance to be the authors of our own destiny.

We must be allowed a vote...and a vote that has the reality of action attached to it.
If we are allowed to vote and that vote is not acted upon - for whatever reason. I think it would be safe to say that British democracy is dead......and we might as well turn Westminster into a nursing home for old duffers.
Still, looking on the positive side(which you taught me so well Cashy) we could stop paying for those lazy, money grubbing, trough snorters....the MP's(Honourable isn't exactly how I would describe them).

As an aside. David Cameron is just playing a cynical vote catching game, that might just turn and bite him on the bum.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1000735)

You can't hold a vote on something that has already become law, and the Lisbon Treaty was signed by one Gordon Brown while he was PM

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 1001765)

Treaties! Those fun loving folks in whatever Reich number we are up to now, led the way in showing how they should be dealt with. I believe it was an early twentieth-century squarehead called von Bethmann-Holleweg who pointed out that a treaty is merely "ein Fetzen Papier" worthy only of being torn up and used in the nearest bog.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1001766)

Well the only way out of the Lisbon treaty would be out of Europe all together, once Brown signed that treaty and it became law there was no point in a vote on that treaty, just a wast of money

Originally Posted by keep the faith (Post 1001763)

I'd just like to make a very important point on this subject. Before anyone rushes to vote for any party that will bring us out of Europe.The bulk of the current employment laws and workers rights have been put in place to fall in line with the rest of Europe, eg. 90 days consultation period in redundancy situations, maximum hours of work etc. etc. etc
The minute we leave to stand on our own I have no doubt these laws will be repealed in no time at all to bring us more in line with the " hire em, fire em" system in the USA.
Be very careful not to act too hasty when considering your options

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 1001968)

Hey ... things are looking up:alright: Looks like you guys might get a referendum on Lords reform:wave8: Something that nobody gives a flying-you-know-what about, and you get to vote on it:rolleyes: Still, an elected upper house will bring you in line with your US allies.:D