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Yeh n while any silly sod can buy a gun yon, At least they give em more realistic sentences when apprehended.

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Ya the thing is cashy this week is the tenth anniversary of the Soham Tragedy, and that scumbag Huntley is living the life of Riley in a cushie cell all mod cons Satellite TV Stereo and three square a day, that really does pee me off

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You always could be

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There have been 1,000's of incidents with young teenagers in which they have shot pets, people, children, shot at children from distance in schoolgrounds and play parks and shot animals and birds - this is why they needed new laws to stop this. Before this Airguns were often bought for minors as a present with no guidelines for making them use them responsibly!

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You really do talk rubbish, try checking up on the drivel you read before repeating it.

It is illegal to fire an airgun closer than 50 feet (15 metres) from the centre of a public highway, bridleway or footpath, if your shooting causes upset or inconvenience to those using the highway and the fine is £1000

Also your pellets can not travel outside the boundary of the land you have permission to shoot on.

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All that was covered before the more recent law change on air weapons but with our Police force being useless at enforcing current laws MP's like to make new ones that the Police wont bother to enforce.

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Lets hope nobody produces a gun at the Olymp*cs or we'll have to discuss it in General Sport.

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Balonney you talk drivel pal! OK the distance may be wrong but I am sure I read 100 metres was the distance.
How ever you claim that fine is 1,000 pound is DRIVEL... don't talk drivel mate this clearly stated 6months in prison and / or £5,000 fine for having a loaded air gun in public place.



Offence Penalties
The Penalties for breaking current UK firearms laws with Airguns are as follows:-
Carrying a loaded Air-weapon in a public place 6 months imprisonment and / or £5,000 fine.
Trespassing with an air weapon 3 months imprisonment and / or £2,500 fine.
Trespassing on private land with an air weapon 3 months imprisonment and / or £2,500 fine.
Possessing or using an air weapon if sentenced to 3 months or more in custody 3 months imprisonment and / or £2,500 fine.
In addition if original sentence up to 3 years 5 year ban on use of firearms.
Or if for 3 years or more Life ban on use of firearms.
Killing or injuring any bird or protected animal unless authorised £5,000 fine.
Firing an air weapon within 15m / 50ft of a public highway £1,000 fine.
Selling or hiring air weapon or ammunition to person under 17 6 months imprisonment and / or £5,000 fine.
Making a gift of air weapon or ammunition to person under 14 £1,000 fine.
Having air weapon or ammunition with intent to damage property 10 years imprisonment.
Having air weapon with intent to endanger life Life imprisonment and / or appropriate fine.
Using air weapon to resist or prevent arrest Life imprisonment and / or appropriate fine.
Threatening others with an air weapon (even if unloaded) to cause them to fear unlawful violence 10 years imprisonment and / or appropriate fine.
Not forgetting the chance of being shot and killed by the police should you not obey instructions when challenged by them, they cannot tell if you have just an airgun or a more lethal firearm so will treat all arms as lethal and respond accordingly.

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Read your own quote :D:D:D

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Six more people killed by a crazed gunman in the US. This time in a Sikh temple in Wisconsin.

No point discussing how such atrocities can be prevented. The consensus of opinion seems to be that tightening the gun laws will do nothing.

So let's just put it down as six more martyrs to the US Constitution's obscene Second Amendment granting everyone the right to bear arms.

God Help America!

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Another White Supremacist nut job, why don't they just learn to live and let live

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It's much more complicated than that. It's not just that guns are available; it's what yanks do with the guns that is makes the issue very complex. Every adult Canadian citizen has the right to own arms. Every one of the guns used in the Colorado massacre can be purchased by a Canadian citizen. Ok, there's a lot of paper work and background checking; but once you have jumped through the hoops you can buy your Glock 19. We have our occasional mass murders; but not like the yanks. There are about 500 murders per year in Canada ... most, not surprisingly, in the bigger cities esp. TO, Montreal, and Van.

And there is nothing remarkable nor obscene about the Second Ammendment in itself. Consider when it was written. At that time, the English were a real threat. All that the Second Ammendment did was to establish the need for what would later become the National Guard. And one can find similarities in the compulsory conscription of adult males into European armies before WWl ... the perceived need for a population which could be quickly integrated into the army in case of a war. Admitedly, the Second Ammendment has outlived its usefulness; but it will remain a force because to the yanks, The Constitution is only a little less sacred than the Bible.

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I think you've hit the nail on the head, there, Eric The obscenity that I referred to was about the way modern day Americans use the Second Amendment, rather than the historical reasons for its introduction.

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Fact is the more it happens the more it's going to carry on happening - because any individual with a grudge is more likely to carry it out when he sees another do it. Gun ownership is like a disease and I'm not sure what the cure is? It's a sick society basically...

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Maybe they are looking at historical reasons gynn they may just think the Sitting Bull or Geronimo might be making a come back;)

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When it comes to these self proclaimed martys and defenders of whatever race they regard themselves to be representing they are of course basic killers..they will kill anyone no matter the religion, sex, age or colour.

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I suspect that in some cases the gunman is mind controlled.
Mind Control Information, Facts

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Or in most cases evil nutters.

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Do you want to be in my gang?


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19151869

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Thought "Obamas" quote about soul searching needed,was very funny, If its gonna lose yeh n election................Whats soul searching?:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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Whatever goes on in the USA has regarding gun control has nowt to do with us.. the main thing is that in this country there should be zero tolerance of any guns for any member of the public..zero.

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Agree with you on that one - people who want them for sports should be under strict controls. In the USA I think the country have to face some demons about guns and maybe they don't want to face them - too many guns and they need to be taken out of circulation - that's what I think, that said it's nigh on impossible to remove those weapons that are currently owned by the public there!

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I reckon most of us on here and not only the older bods have handled or at least seen shotguns and such in the past used to shoot rabbits,dogs,unwanted calfs and such but times change.. I don't see any reason for anyone other than the Police or Army should be allowed to own any guns.

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Yeh but...what about farmers and hunters - people who need guns to shoot deer, pheasant and other game and vermin, what do they do for a weapon?

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Problem is that many Americans don't want their government to have a monopoly on firearms. And many of those same Americans see their own government as the greatest threat to their freedom. If you feel like taking a trip through a sewer in a glass bottomed boat, check out some of the Arayan Nations web sites; you will get a good idea of how many yanks think.

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They have a massive pro gun lobby in the states, with some very heavy weight backers, I know Charlton Heston was very active in this department for many years

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It's often overlooked that shooting in this country provides jobs for many people, in the form of sport, estate management, pest control and the like. It's also an important factor in the conservation of many landscapes.

I'm not expecting folks to wade through it all but the following document, from the UK's premier organisation for shooters, the British Association for Shooting and Conservation, gives a straightforward assessment of the law and many other aspects of the subject of shooting including employment and conservation, towards the end.

http://www.basc.org.uk/download.cfm/...D2668B13576896

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Eric, I went as far as looking up Aryan Nations on Wikipedia. When I saw how many organisations were listed in the USA I didn't go any further, feeling rather sick. It makes the BNP/NF over here look like a Sunday school picnic.

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Damn right they do. And it's not just the blacks; jews come in for as much criticism (that's a euphemism) ...

A few years back, some good ol' boys decided it would be fun to drag a black man behind a pick up truck. They dragged him to his death. They are now in jail of course. But one of the Aryan groups claimed that they should have a gold medal in the "dragging a nigger behind a truck event" or something like that. If you have a strong stomach, and with your research skills, you should be able to find it on the web. They are not shy about taking advantage of their First Ammedment rights.

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Yep, the only website I actually looked at was about Jews. I'm afraid I gave up after that.

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Australians have been disarmed and gun crime has increased (if you believe this video)

Watch what happens when Guns are banned in Australia - YouTube!

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And be caareful if you order stuff online:rolleyes:

Man orders TV from Amazon, receives gun instead - Your Community

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Caareful Eric:eek::rolleyes:

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Yes his famous words are; "from my cold, dead hands!" as he held up a rifle at a meeting.:eek::rolleyes: Meaning that he'd have to be dead before he gave up his weapons.

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He did;)

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Here's a humorous little twist on the traditional shotgun wedding:D

Free gun offered with engagement ring in U.S. - World - CBC News

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Probably offer Grenades wi wedding rings.:D

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Here we go again ... and again ... this time in Connecticut for chrissake ... looks like some kids were killed:mad: But with the GOP controlling the House, don't look for any action on gun control. If the DOP regain control of the House after the mid-terms, Obama (hey, 2nd term, Republicans in disarry, he has nothing to lose) may try to do something. But the individual States have a lot of say. Anyway, I ain't holding my breath.

Connecticut school shooting claims 'multiple' victims - World - CBC News

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Normally I'd be saying what a terrible tragedy it is that so many innocent young lives have been taken. But I've had my fingers wrapped on this forum for daring to suggest any change to the right of a US citizen to bear arms.

So I'll save my sympathy for a country that deserves it.

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Wouldn't worry about it ... the yanks are anything but shy about criticising other countries for how they run things ... and I don't think that one really has to change their "right to bear arms", just be a little bit more sensible about how arms are sold to the general public. Oh, and The Second Ammendment ... just interpret it in 21st. century terms. So much of the Constitution, even The Bill of Rights is out of date. I mean, nobody gives a thought to the quartering of troops in private homes any more.:rolleyes:

As I believe I mentioned before (but I ain't goin' looking for it;)) I have, as a Canadian citizen, the right to purchase a wide variety of arms. Thing is, it requires more than photo id and a wad of cash to get a Glock 17 when you live north of '49.;)

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No problem here, Eric. You just have to have contacts.Available now for less than I bought mine for on a legal licence in the old days.

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CBC now reporting 27 dead including 18 children. But no doubt tv over there is covering the story. This is a big one ...

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I am not convinced that these gun massacres that happen regularly in USA are due to the 'inexplicable madness of a lone gunman'.

Switzerland has a high incidence of gun ownership amongst their population and do not experience such 'rampages'.

Number of guns per capita by country - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What makes USA vulnerable to these gun rampages is the CIA's active programme producing Manchurian candidates to act out these massacres for the purposes of pressurising the population to accept gun control legislation.

Mass deaths are a tragedy.
Do not assume that the cause the media uses to 'explain' the deaths is neccessarily the whole truth.

CIA creating real life Manchurian Candidates? ? RT

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MargaretR, you're entitled to your conspiracy theories but I find it rather unpleasant when you bring one of them into a discussion about 18 children and 9 adults being murdered today!

He's 24, hardly likely to be a veteran with a remote controlled implant put in by the CIA to turn him into a robot like assassin! His mother was a teacher there and is one of the victims so perhaps there's a connection.Perhaps not.
By all means air your theories but place them with a little more sensitivity!

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Sensitivity?
That was her showing sensitivity, you should read what she posts when she's in full rant mode!

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I have and she rarely fails to astonish me.
However, there's a time and a place.

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Children are being killed in greater numbers by governments every day.

The fact that I draw attention to it appears insensitive to you.

I maintain that I would be being insensitive if I ignored it.

Instead I attempt to identify cause and promote awareness, which is the first step in prevention of more bloodshed.

Study reveals 168 child deaths in Pakistan drone war - Channel 4 News

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MargaretR, that's a report from a respectable news channel, not a Russian conspiracy theory website.
If you can't see the difference between the two I'm sorry for you but I can.
And neither one is relevant or applicable to a discussion about the deaths today of 18 children and 9 adults at the hands of a deranged 24 year old.

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Switzerland unlike the good ole U.S.A. has never had the "Cowboy" mentality, That imho probably constitutes more to these senseless shootings than the rubbish yeh give credit to the C.I.A. fer Margaret.

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Can someone tell me where I'm going wrong in thinking that the blood of those murdered children is as much on the hands of anyone arguing against tougher gun laws in the US as it is on the hands of the 'deranged 24 year old'?

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Did anyone say you were?

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yes banning guns in america will stop lunartics walking into schools and blasting children to kingdom come because when we banned guns in the UK not one criminal since that day has shot a child with a gun nor has any criminal ever hurt anyone since that day with a gun

get a grip if they ban guns the bad guys still get their hands on them

terrible thing that happened but if guns had been banne dit would most likely still have happened

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Far as i know guns have always been banned here,unless yeh got a licence from the police station?:confused: apart from air guns etc that is.

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government introduced a total ban apart from a few exceptions after that lunartic went mental in hungerford i think it was

took guns away from people who kept guns in safe storage in their homes and were only used at gun clubs etc yet police still find themselves needing an armed response unit and officers patroling airports with machin guns

not defending guns just pointing out the obvious that banning something dosnt stop it

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Fair enough, i lost interest long before that due to the police refusing to give us a licence.:D

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America's worst school shooting: Nation rocked by massacre as gunman kills 20 children - Americas - World - The Independent

And yet people still believe in God.

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Don't get fixated with this God thing he gave you free will to believe or not believe, he also gave them the free will to kill or not to kill.
It's just his little get out clause and don't forget his son died to clear everyone of their sins, even Stalin is innocent.

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you mean the same god that gives aids to babies in africa ?

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So all the mothers that pass on Aids to their unborn children had sexual intercourse with God?
As stated in the preceding post, God gave us the will to choose - unless you live in a communist or many Islamic countries.

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Actually the ban on most guns was brought in after the Dunblane School killings in 1996, by the then Conservative Government. All the guns used in that massacre were Legally held.
In 1997 The Labour Government then ameded the law to ban all of them.

The Hungerford Killings were again committed with legally held guns.

I'm with Gynn and Barrie and everyone else here who is Pro gun control.
I have no doubt obtaining Illegal firearms is easy, I'm a scouser after all, but that is no excuse for not controlling the supply.
Of course there's always the NRA to tell us were wrong......

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I have just been reading the BBC news account of what happened in this case and it appears that the gunman killed his mother at home (she was a teacher at the school) and then drove to the school with several weapons.

At the school he had to be buzzed in to the building - this was done by the head teacher who recognised him. Surely she would have seen that he was carrying weapons even if they were in a case? He appeared to start shooting straight away. We can't ask the teacher if she saw the weapons as she is one of the victims of the shooting.

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Fact he was the son of a teacher yon, nowt wrong probably would enter the heads head?

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Not even if he were carrying several items which could have been weapons?

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very easy to be wise after event susie, if the lad was a regular visitor to the school, who knows? he could possibly have carried parcels etc in the past, possibly even those were checked? who knows? i sure as hell don't.

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Easy to hide two handguns, just push them in your belt and put a jacket on.
He had a rifle but it was found in his car. So nothing for the teacher to see.

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All of which (car & weapons) belonged to his Mother, this "smart but shy Nerd" 20 year old, thought to have a personality disorder, then proceeded to go on a killing spree then killed himself.

A common enough, sad & incomprehensible action that seems to affect the states rather more than elsewhere within the World. Gun control wouldn't really make much difference I don't think as it appears the underlying reasoning why such events take place are more psychological, social & cultural.

The "facts" tend to dissuade some of the more extraordinary theories being raised.

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You are correct n the statement that those guns in both Hungerford & Dumblane were legally held.
One thing that isn't publised enough, is that both of those idiots had been assessed by a firearms certificating officer, and each one had recommended their permits cancelled, in each case they were over ruled by a higher rank, the worst case being at Dumblane, none of the local gun clubs would give him membership, they didn't like him or his attitude towards guns, he had no legitimate reason for owning them.
On that day he even drove past schools just to target Dumblane, and he knew exactly what the outcome would be.
Don't forget that another idiot did the same thing with cans of petrol.

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Ya cashy they knew you all too well:D

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The first real firearms act came in in 1937, before that it depended on the local police, thats if they knew you had a firearm, 1000's of firearms were brought back as souveniers after WW1, nobody gave much notice seeing some one carrying a gun, it was normal, not like the brainwashed public today, who can't tell the difference between kids playing cowboys and indians, and a criminal comminting a crime. It is now impossible to uninvent the gun, the only way is by education in a controlled enviroment like a gun club, where you spend 12 months as a probationer, whilst being assessed as a suitable person to have ownership of a firearm, you are also required to attend regularly, and if after aquiring your own firearm, you cease to attend the club, (a record is kept of attendances), the police will soon be at your door.

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wasnt saying dont control them i was saying a ban wont prevent bad guys or idiots getting tehir hands on them.Every time something bad happens calls for whatever it is that caused teh bad thing to happen to be banned are called for.More kids are killed by cars than are by guns so by these peoples mentalities all cars should be banned

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your god created everything you cant pick and choose when it dosnt suit or makes your god look bad

best not upset a god botherer the last time i heard of a god botherer getting upset someone got their tyres slashed

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Two completely different things, most children killed by cars are accidental, I imagine a ban or limitation would be applied if motorists deliberately aimed their cars at children.

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fair point less but i still stand by my point that banning guns in america wont stop the wrong people getting hold of guns.Its ok screaming ban guns but it wont acheive anything.What needs to happen is a system put in place where before anyone gets a gun they are given a mental health checkup as well and if they dont like it then they dont get a gun.Also if somone allows their gun to fall into the wrong hands then they are held just as acountable for any crime commited with it as the person using it.I know that if you are caught in possession of a gun that was use din a robbery you can be charged with that crime as well in america even if you had no part of it but tha rule may vary state to state.Maybe make the ownership of a gun less appealing in some way.Regardless of what people agree or disagree upon something needs to change thats for sure

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Yes that point possibly stands, but they haven't banned all weapons so we don't know, what you say is speculation.

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It has absolutely nothing to do with a belief(or disbelief for that matter) in God.
Human beings have free will.....the choice to do right or to do wrong.
Religion has nothing to do with it.

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Cars, planes, machinery, electricity, guns, drugs all kill people...spot the one that has absolutely no other use than the taking of life.

Agreed that if a nutter wants to kill, he probably will, problem with the US is that its too easy to mass kill.

A Timeline Of Mass Shootings In The US Since Columbine | ThinkProgress

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While I do not believe all that the media tells us, I cannot subscribe to the Manchurian Candidate theory in this incidence of killing.(Sorry MargaretR - no offence)

Who knows what pushed this young man over the edge?
He, his mother and his father are all dead...along with many innocent children in that community. My thoughts have to be with the families who have lost their babies...and to those who saw the incident and will probably be traumatised for some time to come.

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Quite normal in many parts of the US:rolleyes: If you've ever hung around the Oklahoma panhandle in custom combining time, you would soon become used to pistol totin' mammas and papas ... Latest news from CBC is that he "forced" his way into the school ... whatever that means. But folks in that part of the country are not that used to people walking around with handguns and a "civilian" version of an assault rifle. This is small-town America ... mom, apple pie, the high school football team sort of thing ... this isn't supposed to happen there. But, of course, it did.

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Yes I see the BBC has now changed its mind and is talking about forced entry.

As for custom combining... took me a while to work that one out but I got there in the end. Thought at first you were talking about re-using Halloween lanterns for Christmas decorations...;):rolleyes:

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True. I was drunk at the time of writing that. Though. God may have given us "free will" as purposed.. But if exists, God sits back and lets all these tragedy happen time and time again.

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Doubtful we'll ever know the reason, but here's the mentality of why it does happen.

Machine Gun Shoot

and here's a chilling picture from this years show

Machine Gun Expo Is Down-Home Americana Gone Ballistic | Raw File | Wired.com

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A perfect example of these people many who think they are John Wayne or Rambo.etc.:rolleyes:

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Sorry about that; assumed it was general knowledge:o ... Spent 20 years of my life in Saskatchewan, some of it perched on top of an Allis Chalmers Gleaner L2;) I'm still a stubble jumper at heart.:theband:

Just checked on the gun laws in Connecticut ... compared to most parts of the US, they are pretty stiff. They seem to have the same "long gun" laws as exist in Canada. Not like some places in America, where you can go into a store and say: "I want a Coke, chips (crisps:D), a bottle of shampoo, and a Glock 17. Oh, and throw in some ammo and dental floss."

Gun laws in Connecticut - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Hey, Guinness, that looks great fun-don't knock it 'till you've tried it!
And it did say 'No alcohol permitted'.

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Ths looks fun as well....
A monkey shoot AK-47 machine gun in a group of soldiers who laughed at it - YouTube

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See, it's easy, any monkey can do it.

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Thats probably the american olympic team in training.:rolleyes::D

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With some of these shootings involving young men, it makes me wonder how much time these young men have spent playing on video games......shoot 'em ups...and whether this blurs the edges of reality...making them act out the fantasies of the games they have played.
I'm sure there will be someone out there who will pooh-pooh this thought, but how many shootings like this did we see prior to the era of violent video games.(fewer, surely)

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God or the belief in a God or other omnipotent being, in conjunction with this topic is nonsense. What happened here & in other incidents of a like nature are plain & simply down to the irrationality & capriciousness of humans.

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Its just my drunken exasperation at this kind of tragedy. Around the time of reading of this and subsequently posting here... I read posts on facebook... this was one of them

Fueled my post did this. They have to add the Devil element into things like this, Its the only way they can cope with the world they live in, probably. If the Devil was in the mind of the guy that committed this awful crime, Why didn't God step in and stop it from happening. 20 Children. Some of which were 5 years old! So yeah Dave I do agree with you and Margaret. It shouldn't be relevant. But unfortunately it is.

Less gave the best advice earlier. I shouldn't let this crap, The God delusion get me down and get on top of me.

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Rob, we can do nothing to change what has happened already.

Crimes of this nature make us impotent....I doubt that any intervention would have changed this....the guy would have got a gun from somewhere else if his mother didn't have one...he was hell bent on causing this harm...for what reason, we cannot know - ever. He took his motives with him.

The people who believe in a God(or supreme being - whatever you want to call it) will be relying on their faith to get them through it...and even if we ourselves, do not subscribe to their faith, we have to let them get what comfort they can from it. It might be all they have.
Some will find their faith destroyed, some will find their faith strengthened and renewed.

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Nah! not having that argument Margaret...I grew up with plastic guns that fired plastic bullets, Johnny sevens, sekaguns (sp) that fired pigeon peas, shooting roman candles at each other, bangers in satchels, scotch arrows, air pistols, commando magazines, in fact thinking about it I can't remember a single xmas as a kid when I wasn't given something with violent undertones from Santa.. never made me into a killer.

We've had these arguments for decades about how kids spending their leisure time was blamed for violence, for example in the 50's it was rock around the clock and in the 70's it was clockwork orange, the sweeney and Clint Eastwood

As for how many shootings we saw...well I guess I'd argue that maybe in the 1920's the US was worse for mindless violence, and probably every decade since has had its share, we just didn't see it reported as fast and in the same way as we do now.

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well, if I may, here's a bit more advice, stop acting like a born again atheist, it isn't a religion, it's the God botherers that need to collect souls.
This thread is sad enough without adding religion to it.

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Yes, it was different back then.....plastic guns that really bore no resemblance to the real thing......no blood, no gore. It was harmless....not like the video games of today. I am sure they blur the lines of reality.
And the mindless violence of the 1920's was not against children in kindergarten.
I agree with your comment on the instancy of the news coverage...and the fact that it is reported over and over again with every bit of the minutiae of the event played out in front of us.

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The problem wi News Coverage these days is sensationalist overkill, instead of just reporting whats actually happened, which it could be argued gives more attention etc etc, to the nutters in society than any video game influence imho.that is not saying video games etc don't carry influence, but i reckon loonballs will require the maximum attention.

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You know... When my friend at work accused me of being an atheist; I told him that I was a borderline atheist. Borderline Agnostic/Atheist. That is the problem with atheists on a whole. They turn being atheist into a religion. Me I just get uptight and I get carried way when confronted with such things....

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No blood, no gore in video games, just coloured pixels, no different to the commando magazine covers of my youth with Germans screaming 'achtung spitfeuer' with red inked blood coming out of their stomachs.

The image I posted earlier in this thread, I'd estimate the child at 5 or 6 years old, he's firing a real machine gun....I'd argue that he does not know the difference between that and a plastic gun firing plastic bullets...the people that do know the difference are the parents, who are stupid enough to inure a child to the devastation that real weapons cause by using them as a fun day out. (Hey Chuck instead of going to Disneyworld lets go shoot a lethal weapon at a fridge)

If as you say the blood and gore of games are to blame, why aren't these events happening all over Europe?

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One possible explanation is that the killer was drugged.

There is a drug, scopolamine, which eliminates free will and renders the victim totally controllable whilst concious and compliant, with no memory of what they have done when the effect wears off.

Scopolamine Hallucinogen Mind Control Drug In High Doses Date Rape With Scopolamine
extract -
"Scopolamine has become increasingly popular as a date rape drug, because unlike other date rape drugs that knock the victim out, this drug leaves the victim in a state of compliancy, in an awake zombie state, where their mind is totally controlled so they can participate in the rape, then remember nothing at all. It is that very result that made the drug so appealing to the CIA.
This same mind control technique is being used to get victims to commit crimes, sometimes against themselves such as assisting in a robbery or their own murder. While the crimes may be caught by video tape and look like the person committing the crime is using free will, they are actually being controlled to commit the crime, and will have no memory of it afterward.
Used in this high dose illegal manner, any criminal, corrupt law enforcement or government could use the drug as a means of setting up a person to commit a crime. The victim of the dosage would have no memory at all of having committed the crime, but there would no doubt be plenty of evidence for conviction. We have to wonder how many times victims have been convicted of crimes they can not remember committing. "

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=ToQ8PWYnu04

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If that were the case Margaret, how come he topped himself?

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Wow! You just exonerated..Hitler, Mussolini, Amin, Saddam, Bin Laden, Stalin, Lenin, Noriega, Karadzic, Mao, Chiang Kai-shek and Pol Pot