Originally Posted by susie123 (Post 1016448)

I do find it difficult however to condone the attitude of those who, having been out of work for whatever reason for x number of years, keep on producing children for the state to support and then demand a bigger house for the family while they all sit at home watching sky tv with a fag in their hand. Yes I now that's a stereotype but I guess the benefits system has made this a lifestyle choice for them while making it hard for singles and couples who want to work.

Originally Posted by sugarmouse0707 (Post 1016456)

If you don't look after your diet (even if you do eat animal products) you can end up deficient. It's easy to not be deficient in anything on a vegan diet, but you do have to know what you are doing particularly when your body is used to certain things that it is no longer getting from the same sources. It was a conscious choice, due to morality. The meat industry=the dairy industry. Animals die at the hands of both and I am an animal lover hence my decision.

No, vegans don't wear leather, use dairy or consume eggs.

You aren't being polemic, however you are making assumptions. :) 'Such a difficult...'
It isn't difficult for me, at all. It's second nature. :)

Originally Posted by churchfcrules (Post 1016431)

but there is the arguement that through you compliance it perpetuates the "thing" that you feel you have to do.

if everyone took a moral stance, then there wouldnt be anyone else to do it

4 vegetarians, starving to death, have a pig.........

Originally Posted by Less (Post 1016430)

Do they? or where they just hijacked by religions to make them (the religions) work better?
:confused:
I brought my children up without any religious guidance, but they do have morals.
:)

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1016464)

the children will be taught right from wrong.

Originally Posted by sugarmouse0707 (Post 1016461)

I do find it very easy. I think if you feel strongly enough about it, then it becomes second nature. It is an assumption though.
And I agree, I would go so far as to say depending on definitions , it is almost impossible to be 100% vegan. But I do my absolute best and that's all I am capable of :)

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1016464)

Less, there have been religions from the beginning of time...I'm not just talking about Christianity here, but pagan religions that preceded it...and without recognising it they have insidiously permeated into our lives over the millenia...even in the homes where no religion is practised, the children will be taught right from wrong.

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1016469)

As an omnivore I have no qualms about eating animal flesh.

For purely selfish health reasons I care about how the animal lived before I ate it.
So I eat 'free range and organic', because a happy healthy animal, killed humanely, is more nutritious.

(now on to the 'new age' bit);)
I believe that plants have sensory feelings too.

Experimentation - Plants Have Feelings Too

So if your only reason for being vegan is your concern for animal welfare, the I suggest you try
breatharianism

Originally Posted by sugarmouse0707 (Post 1016474)

But as we ARE actually an animal, and not a plant,

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1016477)

that is it in a nutshell CFCR.......Less you miss my point entirely.
Men do (in the name of religion) things that they cannot do any other way...it isn't what the religion promotes, but mans interpretation of the religion.

Even social conscience is based(way back in the mists of time) in some religion or other...not necessarily Christianity.
I'm not promoting religion...just offering my opinions.

Originally Posted by sugarmouse0707 (Post 1016474)

It's not my only reason but it is my main reason.Sentient is not the same as having sensory ability-I have seen that article before as I do research whenever I get the time and am lucky enough to know some vegans with far more knowledge than I. But as we ARE actually an animal, and not a plant, I am very much more okay with eating plants than I am eating other animals.
Thank you for the suggestion though :)