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At last the European Court of Civil Rights have made the correct ruling.
BBC News - Abu Hamza extradition decision welcomed by UK and US

He and 4 others are to be extradited in the very near future.
At last a good day for justice

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I hope the "near future" is tomorrow Simon.

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Today would be even better

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Believe it when it happens, this country is a laughing stock re: human rights:mad:

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Shall we wave him goodbye, or should we just send a spare hook?

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Yes, but we shouldn't have to meekly wait for the ECHR to give us permission to extradite this lot and others like them. We should've withdrawn from the ECHR and sent these toerags packing years ago.

And, like Bernadette, I'll believe it when I see it. Already, the human rights mob are whining about some of these cases. :rolleyes:

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Well said Wynn
Lets hope they don't hook around, sorry I mean hang

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Don't think this thread will run too long as I believe that there will be little disagreement over the ruling.
Incidentally I was watching an old newsreel this morning of him preaching outside the mosque and it appears that the "audience" were sitting all over the road with the police just standing there watching. Surely they should have been moving them on due to blocking a public highway, or was the footage out of context? Just a thought.
Anyway, perhaps we should all be at the airport, not to wave him goodbye but to make sure he's on the bloody plane.

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I beleive that he hasn't been arrested yet so he has the chance to go into hiding

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He's already banged up Barry for other offences mate, thank goodness, not sure but think he's in Belmarsh

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should also send all those that attend to listen to his racist rants and death threats with him too

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Thought he was under house arrest?

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Bingo! someone wi sense.;)

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Think he's serving time for causing racial hatred, sure he got about 6 years

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Just looked it up he's on remand in Belmarsh Prison has been there since 06, should have been released last year but he was detained awaiting extradition

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Vive la Reine, eh;):D Seems like the old girl got this one right.:alright:

BBC apologises to Queen for revealing private conversation about Abu Hamza | Media | guardian.co.uk

Hey, she thinks a lot like you guys.:D Of course, I'd expect nothing less from the Queen of Canada.

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Don't think this thread will run too long as I believe that there will be little disagreement over the ruling.

:hidewall:
Ok the guy Hamsa is lowlife scrum, albeit with scatty religious ideology to fall back on to justify his insane rankings. However two of the other dudes, despicable though their actions were in setting up their evil websites should be prosecuted here. A decision to send them for detention and possible ultimate prosecution in America paves the way for similar deportations perhaps. Already we send people who have broken no laws in the UK to languish on remand in prison in the USA who have never even visited the states. What if I were to post something derogatory or contrary to the best interests of the US government using an AOL server? Could I be held to account by the Attorney general for such ideas? I know that it's an extreme instance, but I object to our country being used as a vassal state to the US. It's something to do with sovereignty and self determination I think.:(

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Six years to late in my opinion, the ranting hate filled scumbag and his like dont belong here period. If they dont like it bog off or dont come here in the first place. At least lizzy said what our lilly livered politicos didnt have the balls to. To much banging on about his human rights he gave those up when he began supporting and promoting terrorism .Good riddance to bad rubbish , and with a bit of luck he will be put somewhere that make his hook go rusty.

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Saves us paying to keep the scum fed and watered :alright: A result i think.

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I think it has more to do with long-standing extradition treaties ... some of which may need to be updated because of the revolution in technology.

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Whats "Possible Ultimate Prosecution" egg@chips?:confused: If that means the yanks may Top Em, then good thats a even better result in my book.

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Don't really have much of a problem with capital punishment, although there have definitely been some cock ups in that dept over the years. What I object to is detention without trial for anybody.
It's been part of the justice system for a looooooooooong time and should remain in place where people are entitled to a trial.

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I believe you will find that the US justice system is more than even handed, and, that in the US the accused has more access to a fair trial than he/she would have in most other countries. Much better than in, say, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc.:rolleyes:

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No argument there, but we don't send Internet criminals etc to any of those countries, I think. Also Guantanamo, camp x ray was set up outside of US jurisdiction so that the facilities there do not have to comply with their fair trial system or constitution.:eek:

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Guantanamo is reserved for non-American enemy combatants captued in the War on Terror. It is not "outside of US jurisdiction". All they face at Guantanamo is a fair trial. They get a far better deal than would any US, UK, or Canadian soldier captured by the Taliban.

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End of the day fella, the creature & his sort have been spouting bile & hatred about the British (and western society) for a long time now & been getting away with it because Britain & Western society are so tolerant, but who's been funding his life style & right to deride & denegrate ?

Yep, the society he so despises, what goes around comes around & the sooner he's away from these shores the better. Hopefully now the first stones have started to trickle down the mountainside & the lets hope the rest of the avalanche isn't to far behind.

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Again I agree that suspected proponents of terrorism sent to Guantanamo get infinitely better treatment than would captured alliance military or civilian personnel, however here's a quote from that never be doubted:rolleyes: font of knowledge, Wikipedia.

After the US Department of Justice advised that the Guantanamo Bay detention camp could be considered outside U.S. legal jurisdiction, the first twenty captives arrived at Guantanamo on January 11, 2002. After the Bush administration asserted that detainees were not entitled to any of the protections of the Geneva Conventions, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Hamdan v. Rumsfeld on June 29, 2006, that they were entitled to the minimal protections listed under Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions.[4] Following this, on July 7, 2006, the Department of Defense issued an internal memo stating that prisoners would in the future be entitled to protection under Common Article 3.[5][6][7] Susan J. Crawford, who was appointed by Secretary of Defense Robert Gates to review practices used at Guantanamo Bay, told Bob Woodward of the Washington Post in an interview in January 2009 that Mohammed al-Qahtani was tortured while being held prisoner at Guantanamo Bay, making her the first Bush administration official to concede that torture occurred there.

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You don't have to wade thru all of this ... but try to tell me the guy wasn't treated fairly:

Omar Khadr - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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I have no time at all and no sympathy for Hamza and his ilk. Lock him in an oubliette and let him rot. BUT do not send the dudes who have infringed US law from the UK to America. It's a route that several Brits are already travelling and more will if we roll over and let it happen.:(

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I wouldn't. He was treated fairly. That's not my point. I'm no bleeding heart liberal, I'm just worried about the increasingly nebulous nature of international jurisdiction and the willingness of some governments to nestle in the pockets of more powerful neighbours in the global village.:eek:

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I don't see it as much of an issue ... let's face it, countries like yours, and like mine, don't have too many true friends in the world, particularly the middle-eastern world. It's no wonder we work closely with our friends and allies. If the guys in the white hats can't work together, the guys in the black turbans have won out.

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Yeah, I'm worrying about "international jurisdiction" too. I'm worried about how both major parties in this country meekly accept the "jurisdiction" of an overseas court who, as far as I'm concerned, should have no say in the way we conduct our affairs. I'm worried about how each successive government "nestles in the pockets" of the ECHR and the EU and surrenders more and more of our independence as each year goes by. People are hailing the decision on these scumbags as a great victory, but is it? We're allowed to send them packing because some court in Strausbourg has given us permission? Personally, I think we should have told the ECHR to stuff it (in diplomatic terms) and shipped 'em out years ago!

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I can't believe that I'm posting a link to the Daily Fail, but this indicates a certain imbalance in a special relationship.

Seven Britons extradited to US for every one sent here under lopsided act | Mail Online

Sorry if link not clickable, IPad doesn't seem to do that, or at least I can't get it to do that.

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I agree. We seem to be living in a spine free zone as far as our lords and masters are concerned. Apart from when they are dishing it out to the folks who pay their bleedin' wages.

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Nicely said Eric, I started this thread, well to say goodbye to this nasty, odious little man. I never expected it to turn into another lets kick our allies.
At the end of the day, do you really want to fall out with the USA, if things ever kick off, I for sure want them on my side, despite the fact they are rather trigger happy.

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Not kicking our allies BG, just wish we had a bit more self determination:(

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Up until recently you wouldn't have had to go to the effort of using AOL, you could have used AccyWeb, the servers had been in America until last year, happily gurgling away not a care in the world.
One of the reasons the owner moved them to the UK was to prevent someone like you mouthing off and causing him to have to pay an unwelcome visit to the states under their Federal Laws. :D

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The only problem I have now is that we will be keeping his family for the rest of their natural, it was reported by the Taxpayers Alliance in 2009 that hooky and his tribe had already cost the Tax Payer £2.75 million on welfare council house and legal costs, a figure which no doubt has escalated by now, and all this from a guy who abhors every aspect of life in the west, yet has no problem taking cash of those very same people he detests so much:mad:

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Not read the whole thread but totally agree. He makes me sick.

Also this. . I could be accused of being intolerant or judgemental but I can live with that, get rid of the lot-it's totally nuts that we're keeping them when apparently every part of our culture is wrong according to them.

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I would agree with that in general, Eric, but I'm not so sure that suspected Islamic terrorists do get such an even-handed deal. The US government do tend to get a little "uneven" when it comes to this subject. After all, why is Guantanamo Bay detention centre in Cuba? Because they cannot legally do what they do there on the US mainland due to human rights laws.
Having said that I have no time for religious fanatics of any kind and we do need to do something about people who kill in the name of that which has never been proved to exist. It is childish stupidity of the highest order.

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so how did he lose his sight in one eye,perhaps he had an itch there and forgot about his hook ha ha ha

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Abu Hamza: The cost of allowing hate preacher to treat Britain with contempt for so long | Mail Online

This makes very interesting reading, showing just how much Hooky has cost this country since he came to live in a country which he called a toilet back in 1986

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Yeh disgraceful, but the bottom line is- It aint he's fault! Its the system that allows it.:mad:

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Of course it does, a man that encourages terrorism has his 'uman rights, shame that he and his ilk don't consider the rights of their victims, one of which is to breath in and out and live as long as possible.

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Why should he? evil is evil, shame those in charge of the system don't recognise the fact.:mad:

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He's just applied for a further High Court Injunction,Not over yet.:confused::mad:

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Seeing he is very religious and of course believes in the afterlife, maybe someone should help him find out the truth.
9mm hollow point should do.

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You've got a point (no pun intended, didn't notice it till I wrote it down - good though eh?), but wouldn't it be interesting if they loaded him onto a plane and he wasn't on it when it got there? Wonder how well a one-eyed, hook-handed, evil-peddling snake would fair in the middle of the Atlantic? Still, at least he'd have a hook to catch fish if he got hungry.

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Granted by our wonderful High Court,He aint going anywhere yet, What a shock.:rolleyes:

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The good news is that his appeal doesn't seem to carry much weight apparently and "sources" (whatever they are) say that he should soon be on his merry way. Fingers crossed Cash!!

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Theres a surprise for us not, only in this country would so many bloody appeals be granted. We really are a laughing stock:mad:

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Is a laughing stock something you cook foreign climes in?

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That's probably not true, hon. You will find that in the US, whose justice system Hamza seems to be so afraid of, there are more avenues of appeal than there are in the UK. If he is extremely lucky, he will end up in Gitmo ... although he doesn't seem to fit the bill. The American justice system bends over backwards ... in fact, it contorts itself ... to guarantee the accused a fair trial. Starting with Miranda, there are strict rules that the appropriate Attorney General's dept. and police force has to conform to. I would hazzard a guess that more criminals walk on the basis of technicalities in the US than do so in Britain. This guy will be allowed to appeal all the way to the US Supreme Court; even to the President himself ... although it could be "herself", as by the time he is convicted it could be President Hilary Clinton or President Michelle Obama;)

There's a lot more to the US Justice System than hard time and the Chair.

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How is he allowed it on the plane?
Does it have to be replaced with a plastic fork or something.

The appeal has angered me. I hope they don't let him off the hook (sorry that was terrible)...

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He claims his mental condition has deteriorated,No change there then and anyway where better a place for a nut job to be than America??:conny::Banane36::uzi:

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Quite agree cashy, seeing we're in this marvelous institution called the EU, I wonder if any other members would be paying that kind of money to somebody from a foreign country who hates their country and has never put anything in the pot

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When are these doddering old fools see they're being played, :mad:

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Perhaps I should have said, "Plastic spoon handed". :D

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as a last ditch effort he will claim he cant board the plane as he cant go through the metal detector at the airport with his hooks on and it is against his human rights to be told to take them off.

Unfortunaly as soon as he is gone one of the many other morons who hate the british way of life yet take full advantage of it and more will step up and continue his crusade of hatred towards us.

they too should sling their hook ( pun intended) :D

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Ya but not a very good one accyman:D

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now hes fighting the extrodition on grounds of health issues


what about our health issues as the thought of him staying longer makes me sick

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Forget it, hooky's going nowhere. A combination of a strong bleeding heart liberal lobby, a feeble judiciary, a pitifully weak government and a spectacularly useless Home Secretary who, quite literally, doesn't know what day it is will see to that! :rolleyes:

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At the end of the day if the judiciary won't sign off on it there's sod all we can do about it, besides sack the flaming judges:mad:

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Yeh but as been said before, they are fireproof= Can't be sacked.:mad:

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Aww poor old abu is ill boo hoo i wont sleep tonight with that on my mind. If i had anything to do with it when the decision that he could be extradited was made the taxi would have been outside court waiting for the hook handed get, i would even have charted a plane for him . Getting rid of scum like THAT can never happen quick enough, but as wyn has said we mess about to much with the liberal ,tree hugging, stripey sweater wearing ,do gooders that think more of this animals rights than those of the normal law abiding citizens of this country. Rant over now, carry on.

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Oh so why bother fighting the decision?

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Because that toilet has a golden seat and handle paid for by the very people he hates so much:mad:

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His toilet in the cell must be modified somewhat for him to be able to flush and wipe his gary with his hook.
Wonder how much the modifications cost the taxpayer :rolleyes:

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A hole in the floor don't cost that much SM:rolleyes:

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Muslims wash not wipe.
Bidet attachments are now available as toilet fittings. Here is a fancy one - there are cheaper gadgets that fix to the seat.
Animated video of USABIDET H-2 a bidet toilet seat attachment for your personal hygiene - YouTube

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Seems he lost his appeal n judge says end of line,can be shut P.D.Q. lets hope thats the case.

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I wasn't being entirely serious regards the 'wipe'.

The Daily Fail confirms though about expense
Hate preacher Abu Hamza gets new taps worth £650 fitted in his prison cell | Mail Online

I am just glad I don't let such things wind me up...Much...

I hope so too !

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Nice to see Justice is finally done.
Good byeeeee

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Fancy piloting a charter taking a load from Accy down to wave him of BG:ello::ello::ello:MISSING YOU ALREADY;)

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Let us hope that this sets a precedence . . .

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He...and they...haven't gone yet. There's still time for the woefully incompetent Teresa May to cock it up. :rolleyes:

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There's nowhere to hide now Wyn

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His taxi turned up at 7.15pm. You would think the BBC would have a live hook up to the airfield :)

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Jay, I would do it for free.
Glad to see he's on his way

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Hes still our problem,until handed oer at R.A.F. Mildenhall, so hope they put there foot down n get him yon.

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I thought the US Marshall service had him.
But I was wrong, sorry Cashy.

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Not according to the BBC news at 10-00, they showed the transport n said its on its way to Mildenhall to be handed oer to U.S. Marshalls. No apology needed the piece of craps on its way n that'll do me.

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By the way the Beeb website says the convoy left long larton prison at 19-15, are they walking to suffolk?:confused::rolleyes:

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It's a 150 mile journey, I'd have got them a chopper and let them travel at speed :)

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Yeh but oer 3 hours?:confused:

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Bog breaks :D

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OK, so they're on their way, but it should never have come to this.

Firstly, why has it taken years and millions of pounds of our money before this vermin was disposed of?

But secondly, and this is an utter disgrace - we are only sending them to the US because a foreign court has given us permission to do so. This court should have NO jurisdiction whatsover on the way we conduct our affairs in our own country. All three political parties should hang their heads in shame that this sad state of affairs has come to pass. :mad:

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:mad:We will wait with baited breath to see if any of our elected members (local or national, tory, labour or lib dem) will comment. As I've said before this country is a laughing stock:mad:

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I wouldn't bait your breath too long, Bernie. You'll suffocate while you wait for this lot to say owt! ;)

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He's gone.

BBC News - Abu Hamza among five terror suspects extradited to US

But not without leaving a forwarding address and his bank details in the US so he can continue to receive his Income Support, Job Seekers Allowance, Disability Benefit and Winter Fuel Allowance........

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Like Wyn, I put a hold on my rejoicing until he was actually in a plane and up in the air......I feared that something would come along and thwart his extradition(though I couldn't think of anything logical...other than him dying)...but he's gone....so Yipppeeee!
Hope his family follow him to be nearer for visiting....and hope that there is some legal way to stop any benefits payment to them. Him and his ilk have cost us enough already.

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What amazed me was on news this morning n yank reporter was saying the yankee people hardly know who these guys are!:confused: Been very little reporting on this issue oer the years.:confused:

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Maybe that is so that when they come to court over there(in 2-3 years time) they get a fair trial.......by that I mean that they are incarcerated over there(where the prisons are much harsher) for a damn long time......oh, and I hope they look after his medical conditions well....we wouldn't want him to die...would we??????

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Personally don't give a stuff about a fair trial or his medical condition being looked after, just glad to be shut of this carrion. I know thats what you meant, but i said it lol

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Absolutely he must be fit and we'll right up to the moment they strap him into Old Sparkie.:D

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Well he might not be claiming now but his brood will still be kept in the custom they've become used to, what is it 8 kids and a wife all there with the begging bowl every week:mad:

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Ya I kinda like their sentencing over the pond, 99 years to life would be good, and of course the best medical treatment to make sure he takes full advantage of his new landlords;)

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Actually, he will be in court pretty soon. However, the trial could take 1 to 3 years. And he will be held in a kind of segregation, reserved for high profile prisoners. But, it still isn't a big deal; and the bs he was responsible for in the Land of Uk doesn't mean a hill of beans in the Land of the Free and the Home of Fast Food. However, he will get a fair trial and the best defence Saudi Arabia can buy.:rolleyes: You never know, with all the avenues of appeal open to him, he might die before the verdict comes down ... quel dommage, as they say in la belle Province.:D

And the thing about US jails ... they may be a little harsher than those in the UK, but not by all that much. It's not so much that the jails are harsher ... Hollywood is not reality;) ... it's more of a case of the inmates being tougher and meaner. But, if he is convicted ... and there is always a chance that his lawyers will get him off ... he probably won't end up in general population. Remember, with good lawyers, you can get away with murder in the US ... O. J. Simpson, eh.:D

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Ya Eric but O J wasn't on his knees 5 times a day facing the east:rolleyes:

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If Abu Hamza does get pen time in general populaion, he'll be on his knees at least 5 times a day ... facing east, west, north, south.:D