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If Guinness was leading a political party, I'd vote for it! Karma sent. ;)

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i remember Mr Williamson reminds me of lanky magnum pi lol i had a similar experiance when drawing that giant cheese plant(you know the1), he picked me up with both ears and stood me in the bin for back chatting he was also deadly with the old chalk duster as i remember.like you say There was many teachers at Moorhead that was stern and wouldn't take any crap Mc hale and green spring to mind but they was'nt a bully like magnum ;)

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Yeh, he does have a point. As far as I remember, health and safety concerns started with the unions in the factories and pits of industrial Britain. An honourable genesis. Just seems like it got outa hand ... or some bureaucratic assholes with just too much free time on their hands etc., etc., etc.

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yeah hehe. Thinking about it he did.

There was another art teacher. Woman with ginger hair. She was often seen with 'magnum' she was always horrible with me. "why is your work always horrible and disgusting" was one of the things she said to me. Why did they not understand that I am useless at drawing; hell I am useless at writing with a pen.

I think I get that from my mother. She said when she was at school she was caned for "not being able to write"

I think corporal punishment is abhorrent; I think its disgusting to have allowed anybody else other than the parents discipline a child in that manner. The lack of it isn't the reason why children do things like the milkshake incident. (IMHO) Perhaps teachers are just not prepared to deal with the children that today's broken homes produce.

It made way for people like Williamson to abuse children. When it was abolished teachers like him just couldn't let it go. I wish I had said something to my parents. But he scared me. Some will say that is good and that it made me 'respect him' Those two teachers remind me of MargaretR's "physic vampires"


Yeah. Teachers like McHale is the 100% reason why corporal punishment is non productive.

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It is a tricky one and I wouldn't presume to speak for others in general, but would say that some definitely, and I suspect many, despair at the state of discipline in schools. However I don't think that it's just an issue in schools but is endemic in society, magnified in schools because of the concentration of disaffected youth there. Perhaps the factor that has changed most since I was at school and even since I started teaching about fourteen years I ago is the involvement and attitude of a growing number of parents. Too many abdicate responsibility for their kids or simply don't have the skills to parent them properly, a major factor in my school being the lack of a positive father figure in the home. I'm not saying that a return to the social stability of yesteryear's families would be a magic cure, but it wouldn't hurt. Family with five kids, three absentee fathers and a mum who is in her twenties and still acts like a seventeen year old = potential behaviour problems. Anyone who watched the 999 what's your emergency? programme re kids in Blackpool episode will know what I mean.
Changes? I wouldn't want a change back to corporal punishment, there are far too many flashpoint incidents where a physical response would be inappropriate and dangerous for all involved. I do find it objectionable that schools who choose to exclude children are penalised as a result however via OFSTED and local authority investigation / interference. It's a bit like a policeman managing to safely arrest detain and secure the conviction of a number of criminals who assaulted them being reprimanded for their actions and trained to modify their behaviour in order not to get attacked in future.
I'm afraid that one result of this increasingly distressing situation that only the most dedicated and self sacrificing of decent teachers will stay in schools where behaviour is a major issue. Such places face the prospect of becoming "sink" schools, especially when academies are allowed to select their intake and are not answerable to a local authority for many of their actions. I used to think that I was in the right place and was making a bit of a difference, but seeing more and more past pupils turning up in court for serious offences including murder makes me wonder if all I, and my colleagues are doing is shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic:(.
Going in now to see if there's any sense to be made of a fight between a non English speaking girl recently arrived as a war refugee (you should see her drawings:eek:) and an autistic child, after school, both of whose guardians did not materialise to ensure their safe journey from school to home. Whoop blinking ee.

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Violent bully, I totally agree. Still get het up thinking of him belting me with a desk lid on the back of the head without warning because he took offence at my posture whilst reading during a break between mock o levels in 1978.

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There are violent bullies in every walk of life,including teachers,to me weeding people like them out is a separate issue, n little to do wi kids having respect n discipline.:)

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Not sure which academy you are talking about but maybe you should read the admission policy. I have posted it below from their website

Here is a link to the full admissions details Applying to Accrington Academy | Accrington Academy | ULT

After reading that have a look where the school is and tell me if you still think they are cherry picking pupils.

If you want to talk about a local school and pupil selection then you should look at St Christophers. They do select the pupils they want based on church attendance though and not individual ability.

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Interesting point of view.
I work with a chap who believes we are breading a generation of idiots. If you want to know what he means subject yourself to the daytime punishment TV called Jeremy Kyle and you will understand what he means.

His solution is that everyone should take an IQ test as they enter secondary school. Fail 3 times and your sterilized to prevent you breeding more idiots.

I think his views are a little extreme but if I watched enough Jeremy Kyle I could probably be persuaded to his way of thinking.

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Anne you say that he would have been better dealing with the pupil by removing him from the room! But you also say that no teacher should be able to restrain a pupil without training - well how does one remove a pupil without making physical contact? So your contradicting yourself!

Also what about the human element - you get a milkshake thrown over you then possibly anticipated further attack - the response then is to protect yourself.

Also there was no complaint made by the pupil. This was all the doing of the school authorities.

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She is not contradicting herself at all. There is a difference between physical restraint and firmly guiding someone from a room. And she also stated that he reacted instictively.

Anne is simply paraphrasing guidelines, interpreted from a law, by a pen pusher, that people in schools, healthcare and even the police are supposed to follow.

As for the teachers, of whom in my opinion there are few...they have a poor system to work with, it's a 'give me a child at 7 and I'll turn him into an automaton' system full of curriculae and standards. This guy tells it like it is in a very amusing and watchable way.

Sir Ken Robinson: Do schools kill creativity? - YouTube

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A thought provoking response, thanks egg&chips. You have made me think again about writing all teachers off as the same.
However, I do think teachers in general have brought this situation on themselves to an extent.
During and after WW2 our fathers were all away in the forces and many of our mothers were working. There were some really wild, uncontrolled kids about.
However- school was a different ballgame! Rules of behaviour applied and you broke them at your peril(although I never saw the terrible bullying listed above). The teachers dressed smartly, you called them 'sir' or 'Mr/Miss' and they called you by your surname. They weren't your friends, they were your teachers!
Now, if you go in a sixth form collage you can't tell the teachers from the students, they're all dress the same(as sloppily?) and on first name terms. How can the teachers expect to be treat with respect- they're just one of the gang. And teenagers are naturally testers of boundaries and won't let someone take over and set rules for their gang unless they recognise them as separate and dominant.
I couldn't do a teachers job now, I'd soon be in court. I don't see how teachers can ever retake control of their schools either.

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Dare I say anything? Naaah... :D

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This sounds like it is based on sound, principled, service based doctrines, as all such admission policies should be. I don't know the school, so cannot comment on how well the practice is carried out, but fully endorse its ethics
:mosher:

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I find it hard to argue with your friend's viewpoint, though I feel his solution may be difficult to swallow for even the most strident of Daily Fail readers. What I would add to his argument is that the idiot box also breeds a generation of isolated idiots who can watch tv tailored to their own preferences 24/7 in whatever language/ cultural or ethnic slot they feel most comfortable. Hence a dissociation from their majority peers for many of our minorities and an increase in misunderstandings, failure to comprehend and tension for a generation of kids who are becoming increasingly distanced not only from the generation in administration but from any kind of cohesive youth culture. No belonging too often means no empathy and no reason to respect concepts and ideologies inherent in society in general but totally alien to them.