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Explain yourself......or was it just to post a link with 'Nazi' in the title?

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You wouldn't know a fact if it bit you on the backside, all your "facts" come from the Guardian, Independent, and the Daily Liar, sorry Mirror

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In your case it could well have been a good idea, maybe then you would have been able to write something which was legible, instead of the illiterate grammar mistake riddled crap you submit on here, for gods sake down load a google tool bar with a spell check and do yourself a favour

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Eeh, I near on widdled me sen !!!!!! :rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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I just did.:D

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Whoops, there goes another keyboard, covered in spluttered out coffee. :D

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It IS New Year, out with the old in with the new, saves cleaning biscuit crumbs from between the keys!
:)

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this is a turn up for the books ,it will upset you lol


UKIP/Labour coalition for 2015?
Posted: 5:03 PM, January 8, 2013 by Alan Wyllie

UKIP leader rules out coalition with Cameron ‘under any circumstances’


Nigel Farage has suggested that UKIP could form a coalition with Labour in return for an in/out referendum on Europe.

The leader of UKIP suggested that they could play a key role in deciding who governs Britain after the 2015 election.

And he ruled out coalition negotiations with David Cameron, who at the weekend described UKIP supporters as ‘pretty odd’.

There’s no way we could work with that man under any circumstances,’ Mr Farage said.

But he suggested a deal might be possible with Labour as long as the Labour leader pledges a referendum on EU membership.

Mr Farage yesterday suggested that a deal with Labour might be possible ‘if Jon Cruddas’s view prevails within the party’.

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Yeah, with Cameron, doesn't mean they won't wheedle an agreement with the Tory party under different leadership. Which seems quite feasible if Cameron carries on as he is, he ain't exactly flavour of the season is he ? Who knows big mad Boris may well get in there, seems he's being bandied about despite his arguments to the contrary. :rolleyes:

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Nope didn't upset me, nor did it make me do a superficial 'lol' that you seem so fond of.

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And you think Labour and UKIP would work, your more stupid than I thought, if that was ever possible:eek:

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I joined UKIP recently (never been a member of any party before) . I don't think UKIP will be in power (or coalition) in my lifetime but deserve to be recognised as representing the views of many voters on some contentious issues.

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thats what they said about the lib dems and tories first time. anything is possible. United Kingdom general election, 1918 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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to be fair it has to have a better chance than lib/con ,surely things cant get worse than this lot we have at the min

i only hope that if labour do ever get back in teh hynburn seat is no more so at least we wont have to suffer you know who;)

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you know who is like a bad penny he'll always pop up somewhere:D

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Who, PB?

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even worse...

which at one time you wouldnt have thought possible lol

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Not really a turn up fer the books, But this will upset you Cmon.:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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And the platitudes begin..

Labour ..'our gains prove the public believe in One Nation, we don't have any real alternative, but hey, we won tons of seats'....
Translation...we got 30% of the vote...3 out of 10 want us and only 2 out of 10 want the tories, lets ignore the logic that 5 out of 10 don't want either of us'

Tories...'we're giving the people what they want, they just don't realise it yet, but they will by 2015'
Translation..'cor blimey guv, we've been rumbled, lets screw them for another year then lie to them in the 12 months leading up to the election'

Libdem..'we are still the 3rd party in lancashire because we have 6 seats from 6% of the vote'

Translation....erm, UKIP got 14% and no seats, guys maybe proportional representation aint the way to go after all'

You know they made smoking in pubs illegal, smacking your kids illegal, kicking terrorists out of the country illegal..yet they still manage to make a voting system where the majority are totally ignored legal :confused:

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Now that there appears to be a viable alternative protest vote - UKIP, I now wish we did have proportional representation. Thought the interviewer of Clegg yesterday missed a wonderful question - "Do you ever expect the LibDems to be anything other than a party that latches on to Tory/Labour coat tails, and thereby acheives, through a form of bribery, a minor say in the ruling of the Country"?

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Aye, they're the gimpy kid that wants to hang out with the big boys & the big boys let him only to amuse themselves & torment when they're bored. Utterly useless party, but the new kid on the block looks to be a different prospect.

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lol just spotted this on another site..

now theres a guy i woulda voted for just in the hope he finished his familys work :D

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Its surprising that even when they're getting on in years and probably involved in politics too, people haven't sussed that the colour flying over town halls is usually the opposite to the one flying over Westminster, can't remember it being any different nor will it ever change

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The only gains in Thursdays poll was that new party who won countless councils that new party is NOC:rolleyes:

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yer quite correct its as though any elected council is a protest council

so labour council you may be feeling popular with the people of hyndburn right now but in reality your only there because the torys are screwing up so bad and vice versa when torys are in power lol

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Its the underlying threat from Thursdays vote, But yeh seem as bad as cmon at not grasping it.:rolleyes:

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Cashy I've seen it all before, it used to be the Liberals then the Lib/dems, now UKIP, at a general election they won't get anywhere near the 24% they got on Thursday, believe me, I'll bet you a penny stick of spanish:D

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Hey AND the Dingles final got rid of the BNP something is afoot across there. *chuckle*

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Oh but i reckon they will actually get as many,if not more, so Raise yeh some kali?:D What yer not taking into account,in the past people used to believe the main parties.

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Your on Pal :D

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Despite the evidence of the polls in Lancashire that 5 out of 10 people (of the 3 out of 10 people that actual voted in this unfair and outdated electoral system) do not want either Labour or Tory anywhere near our county council...here's the official Labour self serving smug gloat!

Lancashire County Council Elections 2013 - Hyndburn - YouTube

I could swear there were at least 10 people cheering these disproportionate victories. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Unfortunately, Jones and his cronies will continue to crow like this because the voting system is so heavily weighted against the ordinary man in the street. Things have to change, they fudged the proportional representation referendum by making it so complex that nobody in their right mind would vote for it and pushed the idea back 20 years. (Mark my words they will do the same with the EU referendum).

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if its one person one vote then the winner should be who gets the most votes

i dont see how that can be made more simple

all anything else does is defeat the idea of 1 person 1 vote

mind you as soon as any party gets in within 2 years they chop and change boundaries etc

this current lot want to abolish hyndburn alltogether which until we get a different MP is as good as done anyway because he sure as hell isnt representing us when it comes to the EU and ensuring we get our democratic rights

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Your democratic rights my friend are what your (supposed) political betters decide they are! Now shut up in the cheap seats & finish your gruel! :D

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gruel ?

ill have you know i am a british citizen born and bred,white and live up north

how dare you insinuate i can afford gruel :(:D

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Gruel...Gruel!!! Luxury lad, luxury

Monty Python - Four Yorkshiremen - YouTube

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Yes Gruel! You ain't far enough north to be a porritchwog, so you get porritch light ..... gruel! Now shut up & eat up or some nasty politico will come & have it away from you, you ungrateful peasant! ;)

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I like some of the stuff UKIP talk about

simplifying the tax system (combining tax and NI whch is a tax anyway).
Leaving the EU

I dont know about any of their other policies but what puts me of voting for them is the current voting system of first past the post which means where I live, Labour win regardless and all the other votes are wasted.

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I voted fer em in the locals last week, n will continue to do so, until the major parties take note of what those who vote fer em want, simple as. I dont think the other votes are wasted davo, if enough people vote UKIP, (They will not come to power) the other parties will be forced off the pot.

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Thing is that the Labour party are believing their own spin doctors who are saying that all UKIP voters are former Tory voters. A simple cross section of people who post on this website would show this to be a fallacy.

Milliband still has his head firmly up his own rear, (he'll probably bump into the Jones boy if he pokes around a bit while he's there). On Wednesday as a commons vote on the 'disappointment that the possibility of a referendum wasn't mentioned in the queens speech' will be crushed by the bully boy tactics of this little plastic schoolboy and his gang of whip thugs. He spouts nonsense about Cameron not being able to control his party. Tell you what, it's Milliband thats showing his true colours here....he and his party are adamant that they will not bow to the general publics opinions, he and his party think they can trick the general public with platitudes about maybe, perhaps and who knows, we happenstance may not rule out a future referendum at some point, maybe, perhaps, in the future.

Anyone who votes for a party that treats its electorate like unthinking buffoons, that claims it knows best despite overwhelming evidence of the opposite.....is an absolute moron!

The Labour party are currently less democratic than Franco was, even the party slogan of 'One Nation'....'ein reich, ein volk' anyone????

I keep seeing posts about UKIP being a 'one trick pony'....the only 'one trick pony' is the current Labour party, their policy/manifesto is simple...whatever the Tories say, we'll say the exact opposite.

The media like to label people as left, right or central in their political views...thing is every single one of us has views that fall in each camp. Labels are so 20th century, only career politicians and lazy journalists use them. They use them so that they can describe the electorate and pigeon hole us according to their view of our values.

We are free thinkers, we can make judgements based on evidence and research, we can decide how our country should be run. We don't need platitudes, pigeon holes, red top scandals or spin. We have a voice and its need to be listened to.

The only way to make ourselves heard is to continue to give them bloody nose after bloody nose at the ballot box until they start to listen! :mad:

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there you go:p

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So

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Don't be hard on the lad, that was a copy and paste of part B of his manifesto, now all is revealed.
;)

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Which says absolutely begger all about what action Labour intends about stemming immigration.:rolleyes: In fact yeh do em more harm than good n can't even see the fact.:rolleyes:

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the one thing labour voters who want out of the EU have to be wary of is that it may be possible that their local MP will say he will vote for what his supporters want to gain votes then crap on them at the very first opportunity once elected

i know its very unlikely to happen but if it did that MP would have to have some balls to try and get away with it twice

hence why i dont think any MP would be dumb enough to crap all over his constituants in the first place

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I quite agree. We had the chance to (start) making changes to our voting system with the AV referendum but bottled it when the big 2 campaigned against 'cos it would upset their cosy club. So if we really want some change the only option is to vote in huge numbers for an alternative. I will vote UKIP in future and hope we make an impact. (Wouldn't it be funny if Lab/Con decided THEY would like to change the voting system!:tongueout)

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I ask again - How many Tory actions that Labour have loudly criticised, will they reverse if they get into power at the next Election? Perhaps one of our local politicians will answer as I can't see our MP doing so

I don't know if Mr Ed has stated which way his MPs will vote if there is a vote on the referendum this coming week - pretty certain that our MP will follow his leader and not his electorate.

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graham jones has already voted against us having our democratic right to a referendum on the EU

merely a matter of weeks after saying he would vote in favour of our rights

im sure folk rmember that as i keep reminding them of what he did just incase :D

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The simple answer is they won't Barrie, did they repeal trade union legislation, not a chance, infact underneath Labour support most things the Tories introduce but haven't the bottle to bring them in themselves at risk of cutting of their union financial backing altogether.

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Actually the simple answer has been given before, no such thing as the Labour Party anymore, only the new Tory party masquerading as new labour.
So of course this pile of she-ites won't overturn what is done by their parent party!
:D

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That is an interesting point, you should put up a poll on here for people who voted ukip to choose which party they usually vote for

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well i used to vote labour no questions asked until graham jones took over from gregg pope but despite my reservations i voted for him .One of the big factors in me voting for him was him saying he would support a referendum on the EU.

well we all know how that worked out so now im with UKIP until a new labour candidate is put forward for hyndburn because this current one is duff

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I'm ex-Labour (like Labour is!).

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If there ever was a time to leave the EU it is now - sharpish !

Ministers want to ?transform EU into federal state? | StratRisks

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Not according to our beloved MP on twitter a few hours ago...

'Problem with Cameron's EU opt out menu is it will target working people's pay & conditions, food safety, the environment & b soft on crime.'

Notice how he throws out the usual Labour party line scaremongering without offering a shred of evidence to back it up. Let me help him with some evidence...

a) Working peoples pay and conditions.....Yep, they'll improve because we will no longer have to provide employment to the great influx of EU cheap labour which drives down pay and conditions for everyone.

b) Food safety...yep, they'll be able to make Dundee cake in Eccles and Eccles cake in Dundee with impunity, and if we need the EU to ensure our food safety, why do we have a Food Standards Agency?

c) The environment..hmmm, are you saying that our own government cannot be entrusted to maintain our environment, what are we paying you people for?

d) Soft on crime.....you mean like the poorly worded Human Rights Act that is so open to abuse, or the European Court of Justice that stops our own government from deporting known terrorists?

The problem isn't Cameron's opt out menu..it's MP's who refuse to listen to their constituents and blindly follow their plastic schoolboy leader to political suicide like lemmings off a cliff face.

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out of curiosity does anyone have a rough idea how much money we have sent to bail out various countries like ireland and greece.

been in the EU seems to mean look after everybody esle but our own and screw your own to look after others

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Seems like Obama thinks we should knuckle under to the EU - we'd better just do it then?

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Cameron has stated speaking in the US that the majority of British people don't want to leave the EU, yes they do dickhead, why wait until 2017 to give the people a say, it doesn't matter how much the EU is reformed it still won't cut the mustard with me, Cameron wants to pull his head out of his arse and listen to the people now not wait another 4 years to get the same answer he'd get now, GET OUT NOW:mad:

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I thought exactly the same when i heard him John. Think he needs to ask a differant set of people to do his checking for him, or maybe just open his eyes and ears. :confused::confused::confused:

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He's a politician Alan the only time they pretend to listen is around 5 weeks before an election, and I mean that at all levels, they're now scratching their collective heads wondering WHY the number of people bothering to vote is dwindling and I think the old saying is spot on if voting changed anything they'd abolish it. If I hadn't a PV I wouldn't go to the polls, even so at the last general election I submitted a vote paper which I'd spoiled, there just wasn't a candidate worth voting for

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I see the G8 are going to discuss a "USA / EU trade & investment pact". I thought you needed money in order to invest? If so then they are going to have to invite China to join.

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They'll just print some for themselves. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

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just a little quote from that story

so we dont have democracey at the moment?

also they wantto model this super EU on teh american syystem ...

well we have all seen how well america is doing havnt we lmao

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Well its democracy at the moment franco/german style:rolleyes:and the economy in the states is doing a site better than here;)

Mind you the Tory's are bringing out a bill today stating that there will be an in out vote in 2017 who ever is in power, which has as much chance of being passed as I have of running the London Marathon next year, but lets say it did become law will it state that if its an OUT vote whether it will be implemented:rolleyes:

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Is that General Franco or the Froggy style?
Of course you could have said Hitlerian/Napoleonic styles and been even more accurate as they have both tried to rule Europe, including UK, in their respective timescales.:rolleyes::D

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This lot are definitely descendants Napoleon, my Father said before he died that we are now handing Britain on a plate to the Germans, something we fought two world wars to stop, don't think the old man was too far from the target really

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camerons promise of a EU referndum is just pi$$ and wind to try and ensure another term in power.Making it law wont mean it will happen laws can be changed and if that crooked lot decide they want to over turn or ignore any rule saying we get a referendum it will happen and we the public will be powerless to do anything about it but do a protest vote and spoil our ballot paper.

i think teh only way we will ever get a fighting chance at a decent government is if alquida get lucky and blow teh current lot to hell so we have to start fresh.

no more labour party,no more tory party and no lib dems

justthat thought alone sounds good we could just have party A and party B and possibly a party C for cretins or as they were previously known liberals

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I believe the only way Cameron can get out of his present fix is to hold an IN/OUT referendum on the EU before the 2015 General Election. Whichever way it goes it would bolster the Tories & send UKIP down the Swanee. If he doesn't do that Labour will romp the election with a comfortable overall majority simply because the Tories will do so badly. I will vote UKIP simply to express a view, I don't think it will affect the outcome.

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My personal opinion is that Cameron should hold the In/Out referendum before the next election. If it works and he is re-elected well and good, if Labour still get in they would already be out of the EU and would have to hold another referendum to go back in, but when have an opposition party ever changed what the previous incumbents did

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Have to agree with this ... It's the only sane political move Cameron can make ... An In/Out referendum, held in the near future, with a simple, unambiguous question would, especially if the verdict were "Out", render the UKIP largely irrelevant. At least, they would have to change their name.;) I believe the economic consequences would'nt be all that bad. In the long term, being hitched to Europe doesn't seem to be all that rosy a prospect. I also believe that the British voters ... those that think anyway ... would react positively to such a ballsy move.

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Of course a referendum (now) bill would split the coalition and would not get through with Lib/Lab opposition. So there would either have to be a Lib/Lab coalition for the rest of this parliament or an immediate General Election. Whenever the next election was held it would be a de facto vote on whether the electorate want a choice on Europe by referendum or not. I think the Tories would win that easily. But it would be a period of turmoil & quite frankly I don't think Cameron has the guts for it.

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I agree, guts n Cameron do not belong in the same sentence. Though in fairness none of the big 3 have.

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Does anyone remember the 1989 European Election results in the UK ?

The Green Party gained 14.5% of the national vote .

The European Elections in 1989

Where are they now ? In the recent Council Council election they got 242 votes in Hyndburn .

In the same recent elections the votes cast were :--

Labour 9161
Conservative 6229
UKIP 2853
Independent 1877
Green 242

Just some facts to reflect upon .

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And what conclusion does your reflection lead you to?

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The 2017 referendum vote will be tabled by a Tory backbencher as the motion put forward by the Tories wouldn't see light of day due to the Lib/Dems, but it will be aired in a Private Members Bill. But you can rest assured that there will be no vote prior to the 2015 election, because Cameron genuinely thinks most people in GB want to stay in Europe, sadly he's very much mistaken, we are totally fed up by unelected bureaucrats make our lives a misery by coming up with stupid unnecessary rules and regs. Cameron ignores the British people at his peril

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I think what JCB is trying to say is todays UKIP was yesterdays Green Party:rolleyes:

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I aint so sure about that, The greens were just a bunch of goody-goodys, were as UKIP may just be summat else.;) Greens could never consistently attract the mass.

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The one thing I don't like about UKIP is their leader he's a bigger Divvy than Cameron and Milliband, but just a little better than er um whats his face that easily forgotten Lib/dem bloke:D

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That the electorate is fickle .

And that you can make a lot out of figures which don't necessarily take you to the journey's end you'd originally intended to arrive at .

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I'm saying nowt Jaysay , other than , as you have implied , figures can lead to conclusions .

By the way , what's happened to the Empire Loyalists ? :D

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Is that the Accrington Empire or the Oswaldtwistle Empire Colin:D

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I was only once in the Ossy Empire . I remember the film - The Reign of Terror . :eek:
1949 The Black book aka Reign of Terror - YouTube

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Renegotiation . :confused:

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seems about right

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A little video to make you smile

Ukip Hitler Rant - YouTube

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say what you want about hitler but hes the fuhrer that keep son giving lol :D

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There is some really funny hitler meme videos out there :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFsy1dKv9-E

You dont have to watch this for long to hear one of the ukip guys say "were not racialists" oh my... Would love to hear their conversations behind closed doors.

edit: keep on watching... another moron says it

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wow thats an unbiased reporter lol

he couldnt sound any more sarcastic when people say they would vote for ukip if he tried lol