Fred Talbot, weatherman
 

I have received several emails suggsting that Fred Talbot, who is under investigation after allegations about his activities with young lads whilst he was a schoolmaster, taught at Accrington Grammar School. Not so. He taught at Altrincham G.S.

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Did he know Saville? :confused::rolleyes:

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Does it matter?

If he's actually guilty he will hopefully get what he deserves.

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I'm beginning to think, being a so called celeb, a teacher, a scout leader, et al if you get accused, by a child, even if they are wrong, no need for judge and jury the media will condemn you anyway.
I do wonder about linking one nasty crime to another though, is the poster getting some sick kick from it?

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I assure Less that I am getting no kick of any kind out of this post. It refers to the similarity of the names of Accrington and Altrincham.

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Don't think Less was referring to you Bob.

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dont want to take sides, as the subject turns my stomach,. but what happend to the saying,, innocent till proven guilty?.

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Getting the feeling that a witch Hunt has begun. Anyone classed as a confirmed bachelor is fair game. Dont know if he has done anything but just imagine if he is innocent.

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Its probably all to sell the new Peado Christmas Calendar?:D

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That, is just so wrong ! :rolleyes: Bad man Cashy ! :D

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Maybe, but I need to buy a new keyboard now, thanks to losing a mouthful of tea.
:D
Nice one Cashy

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No Bob, wasn't referring in anyway to you, it was birdman and his rush to connect one bit of sick news to another bit of sick news.:(

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Thanks Less. I have sympathy with Fred. The police operation to search his premises should have been kept quiet by the police. He must be feeling awful having to live with his fellow cruisers who could well feel ill-disposed towards him. Since my inirial posting ,another person has spoken to me and confused Altrincham with Accrington.

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you have to bear in mind, and its been proved before when any sort of hype about any thing claimable, there are unscrupulus people who seem to make up storys about being involved, i am definetly not saying that this is the case in this instance, but its always possible , that some one is quite ready to lie for gain, hence some poor celebrity gets it in the neck, and as said in a past post any one single is in the fireing line, and is automaticly guilty, wait for the legal outcome before hanging the guy,

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i know that jim bowen used to steal his pupils fags when he was a teacher but as of yet i havnt heard any reports that hes screwed any of them.

mathew kellys career was killed when allegations of him been a pedo were made because someone saw that he had a collection of disney films yet didnt have any kids.On that basis god help anyone who has nephews or neices and gets films in for them.Ironically after many years banished from TV he made a re appearance as some kind of psychotic killer or maybe a rapist on his death bed but i cant recall the tv shows name.He was bald and a lot fatter and unrecognisable as the man who brought us stars in their eyes.

mind you in this country your tv career can be ended for telling a few risky jokes.Just ask jim davidson.Goes out and entertains our troops where the people who condem him wont step foot but hes not fit to have a tv show ...

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Seems the police are condemning Jim Davidson now.:D

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You can follow Operation Yewtree news and rumours here -
Yewtree | theneedleblog

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it would be nice if they actually tried and convicted someone before splattering their name all over the press and social media.I hope all those making false accusations are in line for punishment or would that not be fair ?

next week no doubt someone will try and cash in claiming the bannana splits gang raped them or emu pecked my pecker accusations

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Heaven forbid that someone should be viewed inocent until proved guilty in a court of law by 12 of his peers.

We now have websites, that try, convict and given the chance will carry out justice

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So far as Jim Davidson is concerned, I have the feeling that any female adults he 'paid attention' to knew what the score was. I wouldn't like him to be convicted on the same sort of evidence that saw Owen Oyston go to prison.

We've heard little from Fred Talbot in the past few weeks. Maybe he is sheltering from stormy weather.

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I am following the blogs of two men who were childrens home abuse victims.

They are annoyed that police are rounding up ancient celebs who 'abused' females (often mature ones), and so giving the alive politician current abusers of boys time to cover their tracks.

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Many quote the 'saying' - Innocent until proven guilty - but lots of guilty people get away with their crimes because there is insufficient evidence or witnesses are reluctant to testify or 'it's not in the public interest' to prosecute.

The Scottish verdict "Not Proven" (innocent but don't do it again) has some merit.

I will be interested to see the outcome of the Geoffrey Huhne case now that they have given him more than ample time to make up a good story.

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You think Owen Oyston WASN'T a criminal ?

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For those who are too young to recall the Oyston scandal -

Agency boss drugged models for sex; 20 years for beast who lured kids. - Free Online Library

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from what i recall of jim davidson he was too busy banging page 3 models and loosing his driving licence in the 80's and way too busy to bother trying to get sex from people who wernt offering it.

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Don't you think he just expected every girl to want him - whether they did or not?

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Seeing he, nor Fred have been charged, I would have thought he is still to be considered innocent.

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I would say it's in the balance - accusations have been made, don't know if they will be proved or not.

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Agreed think the idea is to put the fear of god into future would be offenders. also MargaretR has a good point doing so called stars, gives Politicians time to hide the evidence.

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I suspect that Davison has been questioned about what he claims to know rather than allegations of abuse of two mature women. The allegations may be to pressure info out of him.

Daily Star 26th Oct 2012
"In a sensational blog on his official website Davidson, 58, claims to know the identity of another personality paedo who is about to be unmasked."

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I think there was sufficient doubt about the allegations against Owen Oyston that he ought to have had the benefit of the doubt.

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There was plenty of political back stabbing going on connected with the Oyston affair, as revealed here
Our Friends in the North West: The Owen Oyston Affair

If you read it you will see many names you recognise in Lancs politics.

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it can also puts the fear into genuine victims coming forward when people start jumping on the band waggon falsly claiming they were sexually abused when they wernt and nothing happens like charges been pressed for example because nothing did happen.

mind you jim davidsons an easy target hes already labled a racist so why not a pedo or sex offender:rolleyes:


im pretty sure the women that lay under him were there of their own free will and enjoyed the free exposure selling sex tales to teh red top rags got them that they wouldnt have got sleeping with every day joe.

god i hope as they drove off he pulled out his old classic line Nick nick nic nick :D


jimmy white used to do a lot of page 3 girls i wonder how long before someone ties dragging him through the dirt..

its just got ridiculous to the point any allegations are met with sceptism

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This operation Yewtree is appearing to be a cover up.
A few 'celebs' who are past their sell by date are being sacrificed to be condemned by the public (whether guilty or not) to give the appearance that 'action is being taken'.

"Houston we have a problem" - which is...... Freemasonry.

Too many high ranking police officers are pledged to protect 'fellow brothers on the square'.

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blimey have they gotto her as well now ......:eek:

ok ok selective quoting i know but.....:D

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I am not a freemason. I know that Jim Davidson is. I know there have been instances of brotherly assistance, but I don't think that freemasonry is a problem on the scale which Margaret sees.

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There are no problems as large as Mags sees them, she must live her life in self inflicted, sheer panic, because of the things she reads and puts links to.
:p

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Freemasons in the police leading the attack on David Cameron's riot response - Telegraph

Dear Less I appreciate your concern for my welfare and write to assure you that I don't 'do' panic.

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He resigned from freemason Chelsea lodge.
Our "Masonic Black Sheep"

"Jim Davidson, the UK comic whose 'comedy' routines filled with obscenities brought him to celebrity status resigned as Master of Chelsea Lodge in England in July, 2002 after telling a string of off-color jokes at a ladies' night gala. The TV funnyman shocked 850 members and guests at the £70 per person party with his blue routine. Davidson was hosting the star-studded event at London's Hilton Hotel but his 20-minute performance, in which he used obscenities and poked fun at blacks, Jews and the establishment, went down so badly that a string of complaints were sent to Grand Lodge. John Hamil, Director of Communications for the United Grand Lodge of England said: "There was an incident at the party and Jim was challenged about it. He has now apologised unreservedly to those concerned and resigned from the lodge in view of the embarrassment. His behaviour was not what it should have been because he has upset lodge officials."

He went on to found an Armed Forces lodge. If we ever get placed under Martial Law, I suppose that could be useful to him.:rolleyes:

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Funny how politicians seem to be immune from arrest.

I read an article last year written by a journalist who said that as a teenager he was sexually assaulted by the MP Kenneth Clarke. The journalist said that he reported it to the police when all the Saville (et al) victims were coming forward.
Still waiting for news of Clarke's arrest but don't think it'll happen...

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if it was a tory MP it will be just put down as expected behaviour in the sexual deviants of the 80's folder.

not a dig at the tory party just fact that the ajority of sex scandals of teh 80's involved tory MP's

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BOTH parties have been at it.

labour25 | This site is about Labour Party Paedophiles

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christ if they arnt screwing us they are screwing our kids

i must admit the bbc are seeming to severly down played the seriousness of recent events and it does seem that names that are known to be innocent are been thrown out at any opprotunity to make it look as if its a small problem with a few liars trying to cash in

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I think that (at this stage) trying to brand the accusers as liars is just as prejudicial as assuming the accused are guilty. Perhaps it was the fear of being called liars that has stopped people speaking out in the past?

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I think you get the same sort of friendly assistance from other clubs/associations as well and not just the masons. If you are friendly with people at the golf club/social club/pub/gym etc you will be more likely to them out than someone you don't know.

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been a freemason didnt stop jim davidson loosing his licence.Theres a free mason lodge or whatever they call them in ossy and to be pretty blunt about it one of the guys i know of that attends teh place is a few sandwiches short of a picnic and i doubt he can pul the strings on his shoes yet alone strings of justice.

if however i sudenly vanish i may be proven wrong lol

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Freemasons do charitable things - so did Jimmy Savile:rolleyes:

The difference between freemasons and other charitable societies is in the oaths that they swear to abide by -

On Freemasonry, Chapter 6, by C. G. Finney

Furthermore, do I promise and swear, that I will not speak evil of a brother Master Mason, neither behind his back, nor before his face, but will apprise him of all approaching danger if in my power.

Furthermore, do I promise and swear, that a Master Mason's secrets, given to me in charge as such, and I knowing them to be such, shall remain as secure and inviolable in my breast as in his own, murder and treason excepted,

He may commit Theft, Robbery, Arson, Adultery, Rape, or any crime whatever, Murder and Treason excepted, and however well the commission of these crimes may be known to a Master Mason, if a Master Mason has committed them, he is under oath to conceal them. Now, is this right?

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thing is if found to be liars they go unpunished where as even if proven innocent the accused lives are at best tarnished and at worst destroyed

perhaps its about time people wernt named until proven guilty.We dont need to know if someone is accused of rape we only need to know about it when they get convicted.

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Agree with you, Bob. I always considered it to be a miscarriage of justice.

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Masonry has a scale - not all masons are equal.
There have to be those at the bottom, for mundane harmless duties.

Scottish Rite and York Rite Chart of Freemason Degrees

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There is many a bloke had his life ruined by women crying rape when it was no such thing, by all means scroll their names across every tabloid newspaper in the country if they're found guilty, but you can't unwrite the story if they are found innocent, which happens now. Nine times out of ten if a chap is found not guilty of a sex crime, his life could still have been ruined, but almost every time his accuser still gets anonymity which to me is totally wrong