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So there is an empty shop in Accy that has been given a fake front to give the illusion that it is trading, and more like it will follow.

This is the first step towards a totally fake 'market town'.
If this mock up concept had a theme, such as 'Trade in Victorian Era', Accy may well attract tourists. It works for Beamish.

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yes but this is costing £100,000 to do
Would it not be better to use this money to help businesses to get started for real like reduced rent for 6 months until the shop is established
I think using the money to put up fake shops is stupid and a total waste of money
its dead money too as there will be no revenue got from fake shops

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I wasn't aware that a few photos glued to shop windows cost so much.:eek:

I smell 'rip off'.

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Here is a link to the story in the Observer
Call to take away fake takeaway shop front on Broadway in Accrington - Accrington Observer

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Its okay Margaret, Sir Kenneth of Rishton Towers will be along shortly to put our minds at rest:rolleyes:

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So basically a landlord allows his property to go to ruin and the council come along and tidy it up for him. No wonder he's pleased

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Why did they have to make it a kebab shop...?

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They had run out of pund shop and charity shop stickers ? :)

It was masquerading as some sort of fast food place before. Maybe the owner wouldn't let the council spend the towns money on it if they didn't do as he wanted ?

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That was a daft comment mde on that site.
Well the idea is ok, but it would be better if the council would have inputed that money in devoloping the Arndale centre to accommodate larger retailors.

The Council has nowt to do with the running of the Arndale, they only collect the rates.

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Retlaw, you have to realise that there are a lot of dimly lit bulbs in the town centre.
And you can't put sense into the senseless.

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He's far too busy counting all the money that's been allocated to Rishton recently to concern himself with wallpapering the Town centre.

Wouldn't be surprised if Thomas Cook was wallpapered with coach tours of Rishton High Street taking in high tea at the new Cooperative :dflam:

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The majority of people think the council are responsible for everything Margaret, roads, lighting, education, Social Services, are actually nothing to do with HBC they're all down to Country Council

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You will be telling us next that you also believe in the tooth fairy Jay;)

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That would be pointless in the Globe Centre who would see it?:rolleyes:

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Perhaps they had to show it as a kibab shop because it wouldn't get planning permission for anything else?
Could you imagine the hoops someone would have to jump through to get permission to open a good old fashioned chip shop?

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Oh no Barrie, he will be instructed to pop on here and put the record straight, can't have the plebs thinking Myles and his dedicated team are wasting council tax payers cash can we:rolleyes:

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Chip shop Less:confused: what's one of them:rolleyes:

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A place where you could get a battered plaice, good wholesome grub that filled you up without emptying your pocket and if you really wanted to go daft you could have a bit of gravy but don't ask for owt' else, they think you're a bit above yourself just asking for gravy.
:)

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Miles. It's spelled MILES. It's printed in The Accrington Observer at least once a week, please don't tell me it needs to be on every page in every story for ten years before you get this one right?

No I haven't been 'instructed' as I knew nothing about this until today but my interest was piqued by another ludicrous sum being bandied about without anyone bothering to do their research. The shop frontage is not costing £100k, it is being paid for out of a £100k pot.

Why let facts get in the way of a sensational Accyweb thread, eh?

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£100K, or 100 Pence the whole charades a sodding joke.:rolleyes:

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Actualy I'd rather have a bright fake shop front than one that is boarded up or otherwise looks empty. It helps to make the streets a bit less off-putting to people which is surely not a bad thing.

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Why if its costing our money? which i'm sure could be much better spent.:rolleyes: First ask why are the shops empty? ask why many have stopped frequenting town as much as they used.? Its not rocket science.

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I think that is the crux of the matter.
We have a market that is more empty stalls than occupied ones.
We have an Arndale shopping centre that is almost the same...full of vacant shops...Broadway too is losing shops.

There really needs to be a concerted effort into getting the rents and the rates for the shops to a reasonable level...one where a trader stands a decent chance of making a living.The place is an embarrassment......and fake shops will cure that?
Even if they cost nothing to fabricate, they do nothing to bring people into the town......it is just another lunatic scheme to paper over the cracks.

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Spot on, i have visited many towns, all have closed shops, Accrington in my opinion has many more than anywhere else we have visited. Which i find disgraceful,when it used to be a vibrant little town,:eek:

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Exactly. Most towns are suffering from the effects of the recession, the rise of internet shopping etc. However, I defy anyone to show me a centre as dead as Accrington's. I've said it till I'm blue in the face - go and look at Bury town centre - it's thriving and it's a 20 minute tram ride from the biggest shopping centre in the North of England!

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What i found ironic this lunch time in the Arndale, was Thomas Cook had a sign in the window telling customers they are not closing. If that aint a sign of the times, don't know what is.

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Yeah..let's pick on spelling, much easier than explaining why Rishton keeps getting allocated money over other areas much more in need...20k for planning cafes, supermarkets and shops in a village with 2 supermarkets, a spar, 2 cafes, a restaurant and umpteen shops, 10k for allotments and 5k for looking at unadopted roads.

But hey, coming from a guy who has probably made more sensational posts about the former council (before he was elected) than an amalgam of any 5 other members of this forum..why let facts get in the way!

You and Graham Jones exemplify what is wrong with the politics of this country...when you were looking for votes you were all over this forum, since you both have been accountable you have been conspicuous by your absence, chipping in occasionally usually to bemoan that you are misunderstood or that you know better than us plebs. (And in Graham Jones's case it's probably because some unpaid intern has copy/pasted the info from Google for him beforehand)

I don't like Jay's political stance, but I would never stoop so low as to use spelling or grammar as an argument against his political leanings. How far has the socialist ideal fallen that it attempts to make political gain over spelling....pathetic

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these fake shops give the illusion of a prosperous property

why not do more than provide illusions

mind you politics is all about illusions i suppose

seriously before i got struck with a very serious illness i was about to start my own buisness in accrington which i am extreemly good at but now with no funds i cant get a foothold and to see money blown on making a property appear prosperous instead of helping someone do something with that property really get on my tits no matter how little or large the amount be

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I understand that the lady who owns the now defunct Baxenden Post Office Building still has to pay Business Rates even though the PO is closed and the property for sale - are all the "shops" on Blackburn Rd which are permanently shuttered also paying the full Business Rate or have they received change of use status?
Perhaps one of our elected members can advise, although I won't hold my breath awaiting a response - I have tried not to make any spelling mistakes in order that I do not fall foul of the new Spelling Commisar.:rolleyes:

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Bury is much bigger than Accrington and its Council has a much bigger budget than Hyndburns. As usual HBC's website is not easy to fins information on and I could not find the full budget figures except for them having a capital program of £6.3 million which includes over £4 million for Woodnook. Take the £4 million for the questionable Woodnook scheme off and you have £2.3 million capital for everything else.

Bury's website has figures for 2012/13 as being a capital program of £15 million, a housing revenue budget of £30 million and a revenue budget of £130 million.

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They don't need to falsify shop facades to stop it looking off putting Susie they just need to do something about the Maundy Army that make the centre such an unattractive place for people to come shopping, that costs nothing.

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Spot on Guinness, I've stated before that the Squire of Rishton, was a seven day a week member when he was slagging Britcliffe of every day, yet since being elected and his mob taking control he's been very conspicuous with his absence, mind you the appearances might just rise over the next few weeks, its the silly season, better known as vote for us time again:rolleyes:

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Quite right accyman politics is about illusions better known in the trade as smoke and mirrors;)

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sFirstly, it's not just about budget alone. Go to Bury and, apart from the usual quota of chavs found in most towns, you will not find an assortment of deadbeats and junkies wandering around as you do in Accy.

Secondly, Bury's an extreme example. You can go to other towns, some of which are an equivalent size and they all seem to be busier. Why?

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Take a look at Leigh, near Wigan, its as busy as a beehive in contrast to Accy

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Quite right. Same size as Accy, sandwiched between Wigan and Bolton like Accy is between Blackburn and Burnley. A distinctly undistinguished looking town centre - none of the superb Victorian buildings that Accy has. The market hall's a concrete shed. Yet it's far, far busier than Accy and, although there are empty shops, there's nowhere near the number you'll see in Accy.

Why?

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Maybe the Squire of Rishton, can persuade Myles, oops sorry Miles to commission a report as to why this is, after all it would appear that the only requisite one needs to be a councilor in Hyndburn these days is to be totally deaf and walk about with blinkers on when in the town centre ;)

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We already know about Jays spelling and enjoy the fact that he has a natural talent to screw it up, no harm done there really is there?



A 100k pot for what? Has a full 100k been put to one side for doing up all of our empty shops? Or is it part of a squanderlust fund that can be dipped into for just about any hairbrained schemes someone comes up with?

From what I understand this story broke in the Obbo, perhaps they thought it important enough to sensationalise this ridiculous state of affairs, money that could be better spent during these austere times on real projects that would actually help the community of Hyndburn.

As Marge P said, just papering over the cracks, or would you prefer the tale of the emperors clothes? Spend plenty and get nothing?
:)

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Neil, I take your point about Bury having a bigger budget, but it isn't just about budgets, it is about the way the town markets itself.

Bury cannot compete with Manchester and its variety of big name shops...though to be fair Bury does have its share of those........I don't think that is what draws the people to it.
So what does draw the people into this town?

It has a vast and thriving traditional market. Something that Manchester, as a city, does not have....so it not only draws people from the small towns around it....it draws from the city too.

I have rarely seen this market quiet.....and if you go midweek, it is still thronged with people....because the coaches that bring people to the coastal towns of the northwest, make it one of their excursions.

Ramsbottom is another very small town. In the shadow of Manchester and Bury....but this little town always seems to have a good footfall.....why?
Because it has something to bring the people from outside the region in....the railway and the diverse independent little shops.

There are lessons to be learned, but it appears that HBC don't really want to learn them...they want to extract business rates from empty shops....they want to allow the detritus of society to drive would be visitors away from the town...and are happily supporting the building of a new bus station which will do exactly that for them.......for a back hander from TESCO.....Well done Tesco. That is another town you have helped to ruin.

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Wonder why when Councillor's, are elected they get the weeeeeeeee factor, that's the noise they make when throwing rate payers money about like confetti, its like its not ours we'll spend it as we want, wonderful:mad:

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Why are the shops closing in the first place, is it because the people of Hyndburn no longer shop in the town, do we not take some responsibility for the demise of the town.

I don't think blaming the council on this matter is justified, and I think the fake shops will in the minds of people alter the perception that we are on the slide, and perhaps tempt people to shop in the town again. So people if we are to make this work, lets at least try to shop in town, LETS MAKE THIS LOCAL, you know it makes sense.

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Dave another fine point...of course we must all take some responsibility....but(there is always one of those ) if the shops in the town are not providing the things you want and are looking for(at competitive and reasonable prices - we have to remember that there isn't that much money about and people want to get value for the money they spend.)....then what do you do?
You go eslewhere....you shop online.

The town centre has been progressively ruined. We have a market that is an embarrassment(well, to me it is). At one time there were people like Ray Linden, Uncle Dick selling things that you never knew you wanted......they coerced you into buying.
Broadway is a disgrace. Why on earth would people want to come into Accrington to see such and ugly space.
It isn't just the locals we need to entice into town...but people who go to other shopping centres...to other markets.
Personally, I think it is too late to resurrect Accrington town centre.

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And fake shops might fool some of the people, but I don't think it will really alter the perception that the town is on its uppers....just my opinion.(FWIW)

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its about responsibility of keeping towns to a certain standard. ive always said the landlord or council should have to keep town centre properties to a certain standard its should be in their contracts. if the property owner cant afford it the council should step in and work in partnership.look at the example of the conservative club.we dont want half the town centre ending up like that.

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Two examples for you,
1st my son runs his own company, needed an industrial unit, made inquiries locally, found the business tax far too expensive and prohibitive, went out of town for the premises.
2nd my SIL wanted to open a shop made inquiries similar results to the above example, but when he asked around Clitheroe they fell over backwards to help him find premises and make sure he was put in touch with the various retail organisations for the area.

Both found the first few years a struggle, but have managed to develop their business's. They would have preferred to have used our little town but if asked now wouldn't come near even though they would never move from the town so far as living.
Would my son-in-law have put his trust in a shop with a phony and cheap picture outside of it? Well, perhaps but only if there could be some sort of allowances so far as getting his shop up and running.
:(

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But surely the council have to address the problem of WHY people stopped shopping in
town? They didn't just stop for the hell of it. It's no use expecting them to return out of local loyalty. The town has to offer a more attractive proposition to would-be shoppers!

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That just proves you know little or nothing about life as it is, just how you perceive it should be in your utopian world of milk and honey, about time you actually joined the real world me thinks:rolleyes:

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I new nothing about this fake shop, and drove past it just to see what it was about. If in the mind it looks occupied then then the perception is that there are not as many empty shops, and people will want to come into town. However if people believe that shops are shutting and there is nothing to come into town for then they will stay away and very soon the tipping point will be reached where the tumbleweed blows through town.

All I am saying is that if we all went into town to purchase one thing, it would help. Instead of blaming everyone else for the towns demise at least admit that we all contributed to it, and lets at least try to resuscitate the town before its too late.

On the other hand if we no longer want shops in town lets at least be honest and say that we prefer to shop outside of the town or online. I can remember when the town was packed with people shopping, and thats what we require again, people.

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That is a factor, and I think the out of town shops contributed to the migration of people from the centre. However we get what we want by usage, if we no longer require certain items the shop adapts or shuts. We have to demonstrate that we want town centre shops by shopping in town, just as staying away says we don't want to shop in town. So if you want a town centre with shops, then lets shop in town, someone has to take the first step, and, I shop in town, who will be next?

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Well I make regular trips into town and buy more than one item per week, I find the people working in these shops both courteous and helpful.
Though I prefer to do my shopping in the pound shops rather than the numerous Charity shops, How can genuine shops compete against them? because of their charity status I believe they are exempt from the business taxes and might even get rent subsidies?
:eek:

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I shop in town on a regular basis....I buy something in the town centre every weekday...fruit, vegetables....fresh meat. But I do not linger to browse because it just isn't a good place to be. I can't quantify it any better than that.
We used to have a good bookstore...with a good range of books. I could lose myself for an hour or more just browsing(and sometimes spending)...we no longer have this.
The reasons are because people don't read the same...and can buy books online at a cheaper price....and when money is scarce you go to where the value is..loyalty has no place in an empty purse.

There have been changes in the way people shop,what they want to buy, but none of this has been taken into account....this fake shop business is not being inventive...it is just sidestepping the issues...being a bit of an ostrich.
So while it might not be all the councils fault, there are things that they could do to make things much better.
Example. Let people have the market stalls on Market days for a peppercorn rent.....a full and bustling market is tempting and gives a bigger footfall...which inevitably will have benficial effects for other traders.
If Broadway is going to remain vehicle free......consider moving market stalls to this site, get rid of the stalls on the Peel street side of the market - what few there are - make this area something else(not a car park)....again it would have a beneficial effect for the shops on Broadway.
Offer shops to diverse traders at low rent and rates.

There needs to be some innovative ideas to regenerate the town centre.
If it is to work, it needs to be done sooner rather than later, because the town is on borrowed time.

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aye jaysay you would be one of the first to complain if there was a gutter leaking on broadway;) there is one factor in this ,everybody is missing.who are the landlords who own most of the commercial properties in britain. yes we know now private equity firms who keep property as assets and raise the rents as high as possible for a quick buck and dont care what happens in town centres. this is why i think there should be a town centre responsibility law .if you go to thriving towns like bath ,there buildings are magnificent and highly maintained .accrington has some brilliant architecture but isnt highlighted there should be a growth plan not a pan to almagimate accrington ossy etc and turn it into a suburb of blackburn when it gets city status. i think that was highlighted years a ago in the great plan.

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Pity really you have only got a one track mind, without these companies you keep stating in the private sector nobody would be working at all, mind you doubt if that would effect you that much, your probably unemployable with your lunatic left wing ethos

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Yes I agree that they are the major part of the problem. But if "something" needs doing, what do you suggest that "something" should be? Once you have got the council to wake up to the fact that they are the problem that needs tackling, that is.

I don't think I have ever come across any concrete suggestions, either on Accyweb or elsewhere. And as for it costing nothing, how do you make that out?

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They will care when the properties are bringing in no revenue. Properties that are bringing in no money and are unnoccupied are a burden to companies - they still need to be cared for and maintained if the company wants to rent them out in the future....and this in itself costs money.

Bath is a totally different ball game. You are talking about one of the most affluent areas in the UK, and one that is most visited, by both British and foreigners alike.
Accrington cannot hold a candle to Bath.

If you really have a meaningful contribution to this debate, then speak up...but don't try to bore us with the hogwash you are spouting in your last post.

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May I refer my learned friend to post #51?

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Sue....I don't know what the answer to Maundyville is.......it has already got such a stanglehold on a large part of Abbey Street.
To be perfectly frank, I don't think the council want to take any decisive action for fear of being castigated by those who think that Dorothy Mac Gregor is doing a grand job.....and that those she helps are helpless members of society.
The last thing this council want, is to be seen as heartless and uncaring.
But however you look at it, those who frequent Maundy to get help do impact on the town in a negative way.

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Less....I think Sue may have been referring to the problems caused by Maundyville...though I might be wrong(I am happy to stand corrected - as long as no cane is involved).

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Now then Margaret are you suffering from Jaysays inability to read?

I'm sure the actual poster that you quoted feels quite hurt that you assigned his post to myself.
:D

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Yes, thank you Margaret, of course I was referring to that organisation - I don't even like to type its name.

And it wasn't Less who posted - it was DtheP47 - though their avatars do look similar at first glance...

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Yes it has taken over a sizeable part of the town already. If those premises were to close down you still have the problem of the clientele - for want of a better word. What on earth do you do with them? I think they need help, of course, but from an official organisation rather than a charity. I think that's part of the problem - so long as a charity is seen to be coping with them, let them get on with it, we don't have to worry about it.

I know I'm an outsider, but I would have thought even Saint Dorothy would be able to see what effect her work is having on the wider world. I wonder if she cares about that at all...

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Heaven forfend: Avatars look similar ? we are not even on the same planet :mad:

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Thankyou Less for correcting me.......I apologise for getting the poster wrong...does this mean no cane:D?

My eyes aren't what they used to be(yes...I know it is a pathetic excuse) I will off to specsavers very soon.

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At a quick glance by someone who needs a dog and a white stick ....they might look a bit alike :D

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Some of these people that she nurtures are from outside the locality....so maybe if the support was no longer there, they would go back whence they came.

I don't think Dorothy even recognises the negative effect her flock have on the town centre.
She only sees the good in people...even the bad ones.

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As my buddy Walter would say " A blind man on a galloping horse can see the're different" ;):D

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Quite right, I understand that to inhabit your planet a persons knuckles must drag along the ground as they attempt to walk upright!
:D

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I have just browsed the Maundy website.
http://www.maundyrelief.co.uk/index.html



It looks less like a charity and more like a commercial enterprise which is flourishing on freebies.

By 'freebies' I include -
financial support from grant from rates and/or rate free premises
free work by some volunteers
donations of cash and goods from the public

It isn't being charitable when the lives of some unfortunates are improved at the expense of other traders.

You notice that I said 'other traders' because Maundy are trading, and with advantage over others because they describe themselves as a charity.

Maundy ought to be relocated some distance away from the town centre on a trading estate.

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Sorry for the delay in replying wiz, I was in the bathroom when your post came through and I can only deal with one *expletive deleted* at a time .;)

>> sent from my Sinclair ZX Spectrum <<

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If that is truly the case then the man isn't really blind - he's just pretending.
Heck I can't see my specs if I haven't got them on my face.

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I'm surprised you are back so quickly, everyone reading your posts knows you aren't just full of it but overflowing.
:)

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Why would anyone trust the Observer to get anything right. Apparently they didn't know that the person in the article praising the scheme for stopping the place looking like Beirut was in fact the owner of the property who was making the place look like Beirut.

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rubbish they use them as assets which pushes their share price up. accrington has been totally mismanaged tory and labour councils with narrow mindness .

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much of accys demise casn be blamed on the previous lot by allowing all these charity shops ,betting establishments and maundy to take over the town but this does not mean that the new lot cant be held responsible for their lack of action since taking over the reigns.

there was plenty been said when the torys were in power but now labour have control not so many ideas been brought up which is a shame because these people at the time seemed to have some decent ideas on improving the town they just dont seem to be implimenting them now they are in a position to do so.

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Fake shops are a short term sort of placebo for the high street,

I do think they achieve what they are meant to

but every or most empty shops getting that treatment,

can`t be allowed to happen,

Accrington would quickly become a global laughing stock.

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Sadly Susie throwing snowballs at the moon is very easy from Morecambe, it just doesn't matter if you hit or miss really, the council can use their powers to ban undesirables from the town centre, and they could have a quiet word in Saint Dorothy's ear about the problems that are being caused by the influx of addicts etc. coming for hand outs. There was a letter in the LT last week praising Dorothy to the high heavens she was even called Saint Dorothy by the writer, but when the efforts to do good are ripping the heart out of the town centre, its time to say enough is enough

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Come on Margaret play the spot ball, you should know by now only I'm allowed howlers like that on this web site:D

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Charities are not always what they claim to be.
I am sadly disillusioned by many of them.
Saville hid behind them. Even Mother teresa is getting bad press
Tainted Saint: Mother Teresa Defended Pedophile Priest - Page 1 - News - San Francisco - SF Weekly

...and, would you believe, Peter Mandelson is the chief of NSPCC.

It is time for 'charities' to examined sceptically.

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To post what I really think would get me barred for very bad language, but your full of it and it keeps pouring from your gob every time you open it, your a total clueless irk who's a complete waste of space, glad your back where you most certainly belong

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To be an asset they have to be saleable...or rentable...that means they must be in good condition.
Property that is bringing in no revenue is not what property companies want to see on their books. Empty properties also have to have business rates paid on them....so being empty is a double whammy.

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Has Mandleson done anything dodgy then Margaret, or is it just because of his political antics :confused:

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In view of his past financial shinnanicking, I would let him near any of my money. He was sacked twice for shady dealing.

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Ya totally agree with that, if it had been you or me involved in deals like he was, we'd have been behind bars quick sharp;)

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you will be surprised what is added to assets in these companies. jaysay were you part of the council once:p:D you go on about where i belong but the world is your oyster i dont belong anywhere we live in a democracy which means you can move freely anywhere you want;)

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More crap yeh didn't move freely from Accy, Yeh fled from Dog stabbers.:D

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never been a councillor never had that much interest, you don't belong anywhere, ha so that's of no fixed abode then :rolleyes:

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It is fakery.......and it does Accrington no favours.
What Accrington has needed for quite a long time now is someone with the power to take decisive action........no-one seems to have that power...or if they do then they are keeping it under their hat.

We should not be resorting to illusory devices....making shops look like they are trading(it does real traders a disservice). Traders should be given the ability to open a business with the same help that is afforded to the charity shops...because if someone doesn't do something very soon that is all there will be left.

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im going into town tomorrow to do some fake browsing and a little fake window shopping and if i can find a fake cafe i may treat myself to a fake cup of coffe and a fake scone

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Ill bet the telegraph reporter didn't live in Accy.

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Your faking it!

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Come on you mentally challenged little warlock this is a serious thread about Accrington...a town I love.

This spat should wander off ....... so I’ll leave you to bask in the warm glow your wit and your incontinence pad gives you.
Enjoy the rest of Mother’s Day because that’s the only parent’s day you can indeed enjoy.

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Anytime you wish to stop what you started is fine by me Richard.
:)

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Now, now boys play nice!

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No so much from you Madam, it was you blaming me for one of his posts that started him off.
:D

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I do a lot of cooking myself and do most of my shopping in Accrington on the market indoor and out door and if I cant find it there Tesco's
but every now and again I do go to bury market as I have a free bus pass
now I like salmon and at the moment its cheaper than cod so I used to get a couple of salmon fillets from the fish stall £2:40 each
then I went to Tesco's and found they did halve salmons for £10 I can get 7 good size fillets from this and thought it was cheap
the other Wednesday I went to bury market where you can buy full whole salmons for £14
I was also going to get a cauliflower 64p in bury but thought I have enough to carry and would get one in Accy when I got back so went on Accy indoor market and yes they had them at £1:65p

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Well that's the Accrington is full of pound shops theory blown out of the water :D

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(tugging forelock) ever so sorry sir...won't do it again sir......got my magnifying glass by the monitor now sir.......exits stage left bowing and scraping:D

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Perhaps you should have a look at this... ;):cool:

BBC - My Web My Way - How to guides: I can't see very well

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Thanks Sue......Specsavers here I come!

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Will you bring me a fake meat pie back with you accyman:rolleyes: