Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

Today's Lancashire Telegraph reports that Hyndburn Council and our MP are against the bedroom tax, can I say it's taken you long enough, you should have been speaking out months sooner, but at least you are now trying.
Good luck with this venture I hope you get the sane members of the public backing you're attempt to protect the vulnerable.

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

Maybe i'm just n owd cynic, But could the fact L.C.C. Elections are getting very near, only 4/5 week off, have any bearing on this?

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

hang on lets not praise them too much because i know of someone whos life is been made hell by this council and their strong reluctance to help where they claim they will help.

He has done nothing but provide every document and detail that has been asked of him and each time they insist on a different document.If the council had stated out from day one over 3 months ago what was required he could have got teh ball rolling as to aquiring what they are now asking for.He has asked for a copy of the rules so as he can see how this is happening and was told that it was in the decision makers hands whoever that is because they are apparantly unknown and unanswerable to anyone.

from what i can make out the decision maker has looked at the claimant and seen that he is male with no kids living with him so screw him and if he dosnt go away make his life so hard he gives up.

its ok folk saying they dont agree with it but lets see some action and not just words ..

and besides our mr jones is quite good at saying one thing and doing another so forgive me for not holding my breath

just empty words uttered by those who are taking an opportunity to bitch about the oppositions policies and cant do stuff all to alter them because they are no longer the party in power.Would they be opposing these rules if the were labour rules?

Would they hell they would be defending them tooth and nail

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

There have been several ridiculous property taxes in the past -

Hearth tax - pay per chimney 1662-1689 - some adjoining houses shared a chimney

Brick tax - brickmakers increased brick size so less were needed -1784-1850

Wallpaper tax - printed pattern only - 1712-1836 - people stencilled plain papers

Window tax - levied per window - 1696-1851 - windows were bricked up.

..and now 'bedroom tax' - a trend for 'open plan' homes is likely to result.
?Brick up your doors, knock down the walls?: Labour MP Frank Field makes dramatic call as 'bedroom tax' hits - UK Politics - UK - The Independent

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

cant alter your home if its rented especially from an association

my house would be ideal if i could turn it upside down.I only have 1 room downstairs and a kitchen

if i can find a 1 bedroom house with two rooms and a kitchen downstairs the rent would be paid

idiotic policey specifically targeted at the already poor

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

There is a growing trend for people to live alone, and one bedroomed property is in short supply.

This may result in landlords making modifications to ensure that tenants are capable of meeting the rent.

A lower rent paid regularly is better for them than an empty property earning nothing.

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

just for note this bedroom tax was supposed to hit people such as those who had remained in a propperty after their kids left home leaving 1 person in a 4 bedroom house for example.Councils of all partys have used this to target people with 1 empty room to save money knowing that they can sit back and pass the blame on to central government.The intention to penalise single people with 1 bedroom empty or only used at weekends by single parents with access to tehir kids was not the intent of the government but the councils have seen an opportunity to save money and pass blame.

having said that its up to central government to close that loophole and fix their error to prevent councils penalising the vulnerable

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

I thought the rent money came from Central Government and not the Local Council

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

All sorts of things are being changed Neil, I believe that instead of being able to opt for rent money being paid by the council directly to the landlord, it will now be paid into the tenants bank account.
Now I like the fact that my rent goes straight to my landlord as it is at the moment, but it seems this is to give those on benefits 'responsibility', well I'm sorry but I'm responsible enough to realise that if I never see the rent money I can't touch the rent money.
How many will soon be in further debt because they aren't responsible, they need to have the money paid direct, if some folk see a few hundred pounds in their account where do yo suppose they will spend it.
Yet again it will only be a few, however the glorious coalition will say, there, we gave all the scroungers on benefits the chance to act responsibly, yet again they've let us all down.

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

Totally agree Less, seems it's not working in the areas where they've tried it.

BBC News - Eviction fears over universal credit housing changes

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

when you have nasty letters from greedy companies like british gas saying tehy are going to cut off your electricity or gas then i can see why some people would be tempted to use rent money to pay the bills.I can also see that pot heads will happily blow teh rent money on weed so regardless of how the money would be spent it makes sense to allow people to hav emoney directly sent to the landlord

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

im pretty sure the council send out the money which they get from central government but considering how far the people in charge at HBC have their heads shoved up their own arses its hard to know exactly what they are on about at the best of times:rolleyes:

i dont think theres any organisation that has anything good to say about HBC

i rang my housing association about a problem and as soon as i mentioned HBC they said "well that explains things" and they deal with many councils yet HBC is so memorable to them

when i rang social services as soon as i mentioned HBC they said similar

if i rang trading standards they would probbably say not fit for purpous ;)

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

Totally agree AM its absolute stupidity paying money into tenants bank accounts, can't for the life in me think why they think this is better, this is one thing they should never have changed

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

Interesting post but the difference is this is not a tax its a withholding of benefits. I know its bad for some people but there is a point to what they're 'trying' to do. People should realize social housing is a privilege not a right.

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

When money is witheld from wages it is named 'tax'.

Benefits are substitutes for wages.

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

or alimony:rolleyes:

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

I remember that I paid tax on the £5 a week child maintenance I received.

If they don't get you on the roundabout, they get you on the swings.

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

Maybe this should be translated into all the european languages and placed at all ports of entry too.

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

Not quite Ma, English only should suffice & if they don't understand it they've no reason to be in the UK.

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

sounds about right Dave:mosher:

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

A society that makes its population choose between
housing, eating, and heating
because it says that having all three is 'scrounging' cannot regard itself as a 'civilized society'.

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

If you put in in English(and I agree....anyone who comes to live in this country should be able to speak, read and understand some English) they will turn up expecting housing saying that they didn't understand the signs.

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

Why only European ones?

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

Well they look the likliest to be migrating over here sometime soon...although a lot of them are already here, selling the Big Issue - this means they can have a National Insurance number - and they count as being self employed.

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

I missed out the Eastern bit :)

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

Well they get turned away until they can or they pay for an interpretor.

Back on subject though, here in Germany, if the social are picking up your tab for housing they have no qualms about reducing your allowance if they consider your accommodation beyond that required for your situation, you find the extra yourself or you move, no ifs, no buts, hard & uncompromising.

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

So people on hard times, (it could be you sometime in the future), have no right to be treated as humans according to you?
They must be privileged?
So come on smart arse explain where the privilige is in being thrown on the useless heap comes from?
I'm near to retirement age, only a few more years and i can ignore those struggling like Jay does.
Meanwhile this type of attitude is commting young people
With plenty of potential to a useless existence, I have had a full and productive life, I was given the chances, give the younger people the same chance.
By the way shame on those that actually liked your post, selfish stewards!

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

Under EU rules...I thought we had to allow them free movement - which means an open door policy for those from any country in the EU.
We haven't a judge or a politician in this country with the gonads to stand up to the dictators in Brussels.Recently 10 romanians came to this country expressly to steal gold......1 millions pounds worth....they were sentenced to 82 years and ten months(about 8 years each - which means they will be out in four)......the judge says they can be deported after they have served their sentence. why not deport them now? One of the convicted men said he wanted to go to prison...it would be like a holiday to him.

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

The open borders policy of immigration was designed to foster the discontent we are now experiencing. Multiculturism was their magic solution to abolish nationalism, which would eventually lead to world government .


When you can accept this as fact you can then explore why.
.....and realise that 1984 is nearer than you think.

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

On the subject of migrants, this document makes interesting reading:

EU migrants: entitlement to housing assistance (England) - Commons Library Standard Note - UK Parliament

If you don't want to read it all I have copied some relevant paragraphs below, and page 11 onwards deals with the question of whether migrants jump the queue.

There is no general entitlement to social housing for anyone in England, including British citizens. [Emphasis mine] It should also be noted that even those people from abroad who may be eligible for housing assistance still have to qualify for assistance in line with an authority’s housing allocation scheme, or meet the criteria under which a statutory duty arises to households that are homeless (Part 7 of the 1996 Housing Act (as amended)).

Allocation of social housing
Foreign nationals are eligible for an allocation of social housing if:
in the case of European economic area nationals, they have a relevant right to reside, for example, if they are working, self-sufficient, or have a permanent right of residence in the UK (after five years lawful residence in the UK),
in the case of other foreign nationals, they have been granted leave to enter or remain in the UK with recourse to public funds (for example, people granted refugee status or humanitarian protection).
Where foreign nationals are eligible, they would have their housing needs considered on the same basis as other applicants in accordance with the local authority's allocation scheme.

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

Glad I'm too thick to realise this. I always thought the point of social housing was to give the less priviledged the right to shelter...

Surprised you ain't advocating bringing back workhouses, bedlam and stupid wars led by stupid people to cull the population..

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

The population cull is well under way.
If the junk food doesn't get you, the pharmacutical companies will.
..and if you survive to draw a pension, they will engineer your death by hypothermia.

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

Yes, MargaretR but isn't it comforting to think it's getting further away as the years go by!

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

You knew exactly to what I was referring.... so don't trivialise an important topic.

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

I'm terribly sorry, MargaretR, as a mere engineer I was simply responding to your incorrect statement with an accurate fact.

The thought that death is inevitable must be a great comfort to you.

As for the bedroom tax, there is some sense in saying someone who doesn't need two or three bedrooms should make it available to someone who needs it and move into a one bedroom home.
HOWEVER-there needs to be a suitable home available for them, if there isn't one on offer it's not fair to punish them. If there is and they refuse it, well fair enough.
This has some of the petty meanness about it that the pasty tax had.

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

Well the Germans had a way of fitting whole families into a small space, being hygienic they always insisted folk went into a shower first!
Meanwhile if that is the way its always been then good luck to the na...sties.
Look at the bedroom tax this way, for some time in this country we haven't had the death penalty.
Now suppose it was re-introduced?
Do all those convicted of murder suddenly become people for the long drop? Or do we start with newly convicted folk?
I would think it most inhumane to suddenly give someone that has served a life sentence a sudden change to the death penalty.
So how come people already living in a house with two bedrooms suddenly gets penalized?
Surely if the decision about bedrooms was to be fair they should say, if before the date of taxing bedrooms becomes law you live in one ok no fine, if however from that date if you choose to have a single life with two bedrooms you will have to pay extra just for tommyfanatics privilige.

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

As far as I'm aware that's the case, since the rebuilding & restructuring of the Country after WWII. Towns had to be rebuilt & people housed so much of the monetary support the Germans received under the Marshall plan went into housing & industry.

There is also a large amount of social housing which is multi family accommodation "Mietshaus", anywhere between 4 - 20 families live alongside each other but there is also the consideration of the "family sizes". When these places are built a 20 family house over 4 floors will mirror each other with at least one, possibly 2 flats designated for single person/couple occupancy.

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

benefits are also what someone expects to get after paying in national insurance and tax.What people dont expect is that after years of paying tax and national insurance is to be labled a scrounger.Not everyone has sat on their arse since leaving school and believe it or not some folk worked before leaving school.Granted they didnt pay tax on morning and weekend jobs but they still got off their arses.

its becoeme trendy to class anyone on benefits a scrounger when in most cases on benefits is not the luxurious lifestyle that it is made out to be.

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

Exactly Susie, exactly

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

Very interesting Susie, but to my way of thinking if people from the EU are eligible for social housing, the benefit they received should only be at the same monetary rate they would receive in their own country, and not make the streets of GB look like tey are paved with gold:(

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

If you come into this country without first making provision for accommodation, then doesn't that put you in the category of the 'homeless'?
Aren't these 'homeless' people given priority in respect of social housing?
Somehow, I'd got it in my head that they were...certainly in this country anyway....if you rock up on the Costa del Sol, and present yourself at the Spanish version of the social services offices, I think their response would have 'off' in the sentence.

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

Exactly right Margaret, you want and interpreter in Spain you pay for one, here the tax payer pays for it, in other countries documents are printed in the language of that country not in dozens of versions as in good old GB,. As I've said before the problem is we are the do-gooding capital of the world, there are to many Guardian reading hand wringing left wing liberals knocking about to let sanity prevail :(

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

there is one reason to include a middleman here to pay rent is the banks,the more money that travel through their accounts the more money they make.plus when they start charging everybody for an account next year they will make a packet.that is what is coming the only way to stop it is to get the tories out and keep them out.

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

Have you ever known any political party reverse decisions made by the previous government no matter how hystericaly they ranted about the Government actions when in opposition?

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

yep the tories do it all the time for their mates Houses in Multiple Occupation - Coalition Government Reverse Labour Policy by David Jones (Article) ? Evans Jones

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

Are the banks going to start charging for a person to hold an account? If they are, that bit of news slipped by me.
I know that banks do have accounts which you pay for(ours is something like 12.50 per month)...and the bank 'gives' you(that's laughable) a series of perks.
Each time I go to the bank I am cajoled, to try and get me to convert my basic current account to one of these.......I won't do it.
They have my money...from which they make money by lending it to other people at a rate of interest that savers can barely dream about.....I get so little on my savings account, that if I were to be told I was paying to hold my money in the bank, I would be tempted to draw it all out and bury it in the backyard.

I recently went into the bank to withdraw some money(and it wasn't a vast sum I was taking out)....they wanted proof of identity.........I have banked with the same bank for 49 years.......they wanted photo ID....I didn't have any photo ID other than my bus pass. So my husband had to take the money out because he has a driving licenece with his mugshot on it. I was asked what I wanted the money for........I was as mad as hell about it....what business is it of the bank, to know just what I am doing with my money? Blooming cheek(I really wanted to put something else, but stopped myself)

The recent business in Cyprus has left me feeling even more disillusioned with the security of money in banks.

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

You really are a divvy

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

I was surprised by that and agree with you that its a bad idea for both landlord and tenant

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

And just who would you put in the place of the tories then.......there doesn't seem to be a lot of fiscal innovation in that mauve lot.........I think they call themselves New Labout, but believe me, they are just tories in a shabby coat.
Politicians of all colours....all parties...... have no interest in improving the lot of the common man....they just want to do what is best for themselves and tell us to sit down shut up, be quiet and pay our dues.......they do not inhabit the same world that we walk in, they are not subject to the same privations that we endure....so they know absolutely nothing about what we think or feel.........thet have their bills paid their homes supplied and paid for by us, and when their time in the POW is over they have nice lucrative careers because of the contact they made in the POW.

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

Ya and they never have the stomach to take the hard decisions either Barrie. People knew for years that the Rating system had to be changed but it was left to the Tories to try and sort it out. Now we have the Welfare state, we've known for years that the current system wasn't fit for purpose, did Labour even think about changing it, not a snowball in hells chance, its the poison challis. Labour just didn't have the bottle to tackle the problem head on and as usual left it to somebody else, one has to wonder why they ever take power in this country in the first place. One thing is for sure any future Labour Government will not change one thing brought in by the present incumbents, in fact I bet Millipeed and his mates are sat round wringing their hands think they've got out of another tight corner. Labour have throughout history left this country far poorer on leaving Government than when they entered it:(

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

Like most things it only takes a few bad ones give the decent people a bad name

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

Why should banks give you a free service?

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

Just to correct this,it should have said Labour have throughout history left the "RICH" far poorer than when they entered Government. But good ole Dave aint having any of that.:D

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

I'm not sure that that's true either, you don't think Tony and Gordon were going to put too many financial restraints on a group of people they knew they would be joining after leaving office:rolleyes:

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

He lives in his own dream world Neil, pity he doesn't wake up and smell the coffee occasionally.

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

Its not true that Tony n Gordon were Labour either.:rolleyes:

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

The service isn't free.
While they might not actually charge you for your account, the banks make money from the accounts that they manage....which includes your money and my money.

I think that most banks realise that if they do start charging for accounts there will be folk who will move their money to where no charge is made for basic bank accounts.
I do not want the fancy perks.......the money off when you shop at Argos, or the roadside assistance, insurance on my techno stuff(it is all covered by my house insurance anyway)....all I want is to have my money in a safe place, be able to pay my bills and put a little bit by for a rainy day......now, if they don't want to handle my money...then, I will move it to somewhere that does.

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

There's a section on homelessness in the document I quoted:

Even if an EU migrant is eligible for housing, if they are applying for assistance under Part 7 of the 1996 Housing Act (the homelessness provisions) they must also be unintentionally homeless and fall into a priority need category, as defined by section 189 of the 1996 Act, before they can qualify for assistance.17 Section 185(4) of the 1996 Act had required authorities to disregard ineligible family members when reaching a decision over whether an applicant has a priority need for accommodation. Thus if a dependent child was ineligible, even though his/her parents were eligible, the family was treated as not being in priority need and no statutory duty to house the family arose (but see below).

Subsequently the Labour Government tabled amendments to the 2008 Housing and Regeneration Act during its passage through parliament to remedy this declaration of incompatibility across the UK. With effect from 2 March 2009 section 314 and Schedule 15 of the 2008 Act amended the 1996 Housing Act and the 1999 Immigration and Asylum Act so that the requirement to disregard ineligible household members when considering whether an eligible applicant is homeless or has a priority need for accommodation, no longer applies.

Describing the effect of the amendments, the then Minister, Iain Wright said:
…in summary the issue at stake is what help British citizens whose household includes members with different immigration status should get if they become homeless. The amendments will ensure that in future, households in those circumstances will be provided with suitable accommodation, while continuing to ensure that people from abroad with no claim to UK public resources cannot confer entitlement to long-term social housing.

Thus the entitlement of homeless households in this position is to an offer of suitable private rented accommodation and not to a social housing tenancy.

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

Oh Hum, sadly that true as well, which all goes to prove how do you change a socialist into a capitalist, elect him;)

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

Exactly how I feel Margaret, mind you we were brought up the same way, look after the pennies and the pounds will look after themselves:rolleyes:

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

If they don't charge you for using the account then it is free for you.

I think when the banks start charging for basic accounts they will all do it about the same time.

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

Neil, you may think it is free,but believe me it isn't.
Just because you can't see the bill for it, doesn't mean you are getting it for nowt.

They charge for transactions in Australia....but you are entitled to a certain number of transactions per month before you incur any charges.

If banks start charging for an account I will certainly do something else with my money and keep only the money to pay for my bills in a bank account.
They need to start looking at the needs of their customers, rather than paying out the huge bonuses.

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

way i se eit is they make money by holding onto your money for 3-5 days when putting a cheque into your account and make money from interest gained on yuor money while its in their bank

if banks want to continue to use our money they shoudl at least not charge us for having accounts.If they insist on charging people for tehir accounts then people should have the right to be paid in cash from employers and return to a cash system which the government wouldnt liek because they wont gettheir hands on every grubby penny they can

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

I don't understand that sorry. I fill the car up with diesel, it cost £75.00 and only £75.00 comes out of my account. Asda were charged for the card payment but I wasn't. I took some money out of the cash machine last night and I wasn't charged. I am not charged for direct debt payments or when I use my online banking.

Where are these charges that I don't see the bill for? :confused:

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

Neil, it is like when something is given 'free'.......it isn't really free the cost is factored into the goods that you buy....but you are bamboozled into thinking that you aren't paying for it because you think it is free........the organisation,company,firm want you to think it is free...that you are getting something for nothing.

There is nothing for nothing...certainly not where business is concerned.........and if you don't understand that......then I haven't explained myself well enough!

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

Well he does live up ossy.:rolleyes::D

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

Neil, the card companies charge around 2.5% for credit card use. Asda pay that by charging you 2.5% more in the first place. If you pay cash or use a debit card- well, they've made a bit more profit.
If the charge isn't built into what you pay you'll see an extra charge of 2.5% added to your bill.e.g. paying for a holiday with a credit card. They warn you so you have a choice-credit(charge), debit or cash(no charge).

If you could add up all the money floating around in current accounts it would be? a lot.
The banks know how much they can expect to be holding so they know they can lend that amount at 6 or 7%- that's how the cost of your current is covered.

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

Thank you Gordon...you explained that very well.

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

And if you add up what is currently in savings accounts (that is getting little or no interest - and has been like this for something like 3 years) that the banks can and do use(and charge the lender 6-7% interest - that will make them a profit of 5-6.75%)...then they do not need to charge me at point of service for anything........they have had enough money out of me.
I have saved all of my life, just so that I do not become a burden on the state........if I was asked for advice about saving, I would say don't bother. Enjoy your money while you can.......those who have not saved seem better off than me.

I'm spending mine now...I think it is called SKI-ing....Spending Kids Inheritance.

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

But rather than the purchaser paying that charge it would usually be passed on to the suuplier with the big companys like asda.

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

What a lovely thought! So you think they have our best interests at heart?

Every big company, Asda, Tesco, Ford etc. encourage their suppliers with bigger and bigger orders 'til they're dependent on them then they screw them on prices- they've even driven some into bankruptcy where they've had another supplier ready on tap.

But there's no profit there- that's all cost. The profit is on what they charge you! Any additional cost after they purchase-transport, running the stores, bonuses, credit card charges, profit margin- is passed on to you. That's business.

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

Not at all, they want to make as much profit as they can, unfortuanately for the supplier most of that comes from them. I`m not saying the buyer doesn`t pay, just the supplier pays more.

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

oi

theres a difference between living here and been born here

just thought id memtion that coz i dont want people thinking if you move here you turn all weird

i was already weird thankyou and i dont want ossy getting credit for years of work done by baxenden :)

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

Well Accyman...we knew that...but we like you for it anyway :)

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

hey shut it you orhttp://www.4smileys.com/smileys/viol...t-smiley13.gif

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

Ya Ossy could never be held responsible for how you are now AM:D

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

if you ask my 9 year old im 25

hes a lovely lad but has started smirking when saying it now :(:D

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

I will take that as a compliment :D

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

Well yeh would were you come from.:D

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

Where is it that you live? :rolleyes:

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

just this side of Islamabad ;)

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

Ahh, I thought it might be a little bit of green eyed monster coming across in his post :rolleyes::D

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

That'll be the day, as Buddy Holly sang.:rolleyes:

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

Oh come on cashy ya know ya like Ossy :mosher:

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

One of the reasons I have been told is that currently if a landlord receives the money direct and the tenant is caught fraudulently claiming then the landlord has to pay the money back.
This way the tenant is liable. Not sure if its true though.


I for one am for the "bedroom tax" and won't vote labour in the upcoming LCC election.

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

To me that's a poor reason for changing the system, the landlord is more likely not to get paid if it goes directly to the tenant, you can image a guy has a choice, paying the rent or going to the pub, its a no brainer really :)

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

That's stupid why don't they make the tenant pay it back? If he was fraudulently claiming then he should be able to get a job or might already have a job.

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

the perpetrator should always be made to pay, which for some reason they aren't in this country, to me if somebody steals a £5 or £5 million they should be made to pay it back not send them to jail in lieu of payment, it should be jail plus payback:(

Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

Can someone now explain what use this tax is?
I have finally got a letter telling me how much per week I will have to pay towards my rent.
I have also received a letter from the benefits office telling me that due to a change in my circumstances my benefit is to increase by the same amount.
Doing a quick bit of mental maths, if the amount they are taking is equal to the amount they are giving, what on earth was the point of this exercise in the first place?
Instead of saving money surely this has cost the Country more in having to re-calculate all the benefits affected.
Plus, if they knew this would happen why did the government put so may of us through the mill worrying about how we were going to pay?

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

be carefull less that council calculation could be from before you got your extra from teh benefits and if thats teh case as soon as they get a sniff your getting a little extra they will send you another your calculation needs to be adjusted letter taking it away from you.

your rent calculation should have been done a long time ago its pretty late in the day almost 2 months after bedroom tax started to be telling you that your getting a rent reduction

Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

If you read my blog about my adventures trying to get my sickness benefit sorted out, I think you will find this is par for the course, the delays have been horrendous, I'm assuming (a dangerous thing i know, one should never assume), they've finally caught up.

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

ah yes isnt it wonderfull how when on sickness you are given a little extra to help out with those little extras like prescriptions...

but hang on that little extra is taken away from you by the council because you have mor emoney than someone on job seekers

hang on that little extra excludes you from free dental care because your getting more than someone on job seekers

hang on your ill ,left unable to do your old job and need to retrain possibly with a college course - well tough your rich rich rich because you get a little more than someone on job seekers so no help for you.

want your prescriptions - cant sorry the council took that little extra from you and because your rich rich rich you dont qualify for free prescriptions because thats what the littl eextra teh council take from you was for.

that little extra can cost you quite a lot

if this carrys on people will have to start selling tehir ferraris,lcd tv's and sky boxes

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

fingers crossed you dont get a letter in 6 months saying they have overpaid you and will be deducting the balance from your next rent payment

Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

Nah, before that I'll get a letter from my Landlord saying they haven't been paid since the end of January and I'm to be evicted!

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

Absolutely bloody stupid to say the least, I'm just wondering what's the point of this exercise when at the end of the day it will have cost more than its worth, no doubt there will be some nerd in Whitehall who came up with the idea will be preening like the cat that got the cream, maybe if some of these boffin's who advise the government were to take a course at the University of Life, they might just cut out these idiotic time and money wasting ideas:mad:

Re: Bedroom Tax At Last, Our Council Speaks Out.
 

how can we expect cameron to get anything right

despite been a millionair his baby spent its forst night in a bottom drawer of a wardrobe or so he would have us believe.If i was a millionair my baby would have had a cot all be it a temporary one no matter what the hour of day infact it wuldnt have left the private hospital until it had one waiting at home.

then the moron leaves his other kid stranded in a pub.How on earth can you forget you have a child with you ?

so by those two counts alone i drew my conclusion that the guy simply hasnt got a bloody clue and cant even run his own family yet alone a country of families