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Just wondering why this hasn't been raised on here before now, Mick and Mairead Philpott and their friend Paul Mosely will be sentenced today for killing their six children in a fire they started aimed at getting custody of those kids in a custody battle with a former live in mistress, or as the editor of the local newspaper put it getting back his 6 meal tickets, seems the only reason this guy had 17 kids was for financial reasons only. It appears he was a well known character in Derby and had been on several TV programs dragging about it. Lets hope that they don't see the light of day again, pure evil deserves threating like pure evil:mad:

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They will no doubt see light of day, Sodding charge was only Manslaughter.:mad:

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he did it to get his children back......stupid arrogant man...now, no-one can get the children back.
Six young lives sacrificed at the altar of his stubborn will.

He should be punished by suffering the same fate......to be trapped in a burning building by someone who supposedly loved them....I cannot begin to imagine what those poor children suffered.
I'm sure they will 'look after' him in whatever jail he is sent to.

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To quote his onetime constituency MP Margaret Beckett previous to this set of crimes after she met him when he was trying to get a boost up to a bigger house:

"He was the sort of person who gives compassion and public support a bad name.

"I wished he lived in somebody else's constituency, if that doesn't sound a ridiculous thing to say. He wasn't somebody you wanted to be responsible for in any way."

Unfortunately we are going to be responsible for him for some while more.
DP whispers " Hitler had some things right "

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Never was the term 'Playing with Fire' so appropriate.

They were playing a game, wanting to 'frame' someone-but with this incredible risk :(
And he was already a convicted murderer -surely that should make for a more appropriate sentence. But I doubt it will.

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Don't get me going on "bring back hanging". Just let other inmates "welcome them " or will they be in solitary ? Just throw the key away.

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Attempted murder was what he was banged up for previously, smouse.

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Probably or sectioned at the least, they do make efforts to protect scum like this.;)

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True.
Ah was it-my bad-not sure attempting to murder someone is to carry a lighter burden though
Just scum-selfish and callous. I wonder what the other children at their school(s) would be thinking at the empty seats. :mad:

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It's just been on the news that sentencing has been delayed till 10.30 am tomorrow. Apparently manslaughter can still carry a life sentence, let's hope they throw the book at the scumbags.

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But sometimes a warder has something in his eye cashy;)

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The Barristers representing this scum told the court that they were good caring parents, good caring parents don't use their kids as a money making commodity, they should rot in hell

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That good n caring those kids bodies were removed fully clothed, cos they had no pyjamas.:rolleyes:

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that good a father that he didn't even sleep in the house, he slept in a caravan...with his wife one night and his mistress the night after. There was a big thing about them on 'This Morning' today, he apparently sent a letter from prison to someone he knew saying (amongst other things) 'when we get out we will go and cry by our childrens graves and then we will probably go home and rape each other' he is one sick SICK barsteward

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should put him down like a rabid dog scumbag

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...and there lies the rub; he knows perfectly well they'll do their time, be well-fed, have access to a gym, TV, computer and all mod cons. Then after a ludicrously inadequate sentence, they'll be let out and possibly even be given a new identity, paid for by us, to protect them from the righteous indignation of the general public. That's British "justice" for you. :rolleyes:

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I'm just watching the documentary on ITVPlayer, I hardly watch anything but this has caught my attention.What a horrible,disgusting creature :(

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Jen...I like your understated way of describing this person.

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I watched the program as well, i must admit it shocked me.What sort of a person could even contemplate doing that to his family?
For what at the end of the day was an evil sick attempt at one upmanship.He is a total piece of **** who should, along with his sick and twisted menagerie of apostles be wiped from the earth as slowly and painfully as possible.This man ( i use that term in the loosest possible way) will never bring anything of value to society ,whilst expecting the state to provide whatever his black heart desires :mad::mad::mad:. If they are looking for volunteers to assist with teaching this creature (thx sugarmouse for that term) the error of his ways i would gladly offer my expertise i would even pay for the pleasure of five minuets alone with IT.

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It shocked me too.I feel as if it shouldn't have done, I'm hardly naive to all the sick crimes that go on compared to anyone else, but there's something extra shocking about him- someone who craves fame and notoriety as he does,yet can exercise that extent of sociopathy.

Also regards the fire, they think he meant for all the children to be in the back bedroom when the fire spread, so that his ladder could reach them,but they weren't, is that to remain a mystery?

Given his history of violence and aggression-should he have even been allowed around children? Shouldn't something have been done? But then that sort of issue is around us every day-he's not the only one like that.

Before all this I'd never heard of him but he's been on a few TV programmes it seems.

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this sack of crap will be sat in his cell wondering how he can make money seeling his story when he gets out to the sun or something and not contemplating the error of his ways at all.

i would like to think that no newspaper or magazine would touch him but sadly they will probbably trip over each other to get his tale

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There isn't much hope left for the human race

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Unless yeh go in the Railway.

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Thankfully I had never seen any bits of the Jeremy Kyle show until this week and watched the snippets on the Panorama and ITV prog's on these murders.
I became increasingly concerned as I watched all the hoopla on the build up to the trio's arrest on the media's part in creating this monster.

When people are drawn to and distracted by this sort of programme which redefines life as a perpetual round of entertainment. When people become an audience and their public business/antics becomes a circus, yes Restless there isn't much hope shining through :mad:
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That to me is a big part of todays problems, Too many watch "Knobs Are Us" Programmes n think its good entertainment.:rolleyes:

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Doubt if a new identity would work for that guy Wyn his egotism won't allow him to go through with it;)

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They need something better to do, this kind of crapathone was originally started by Gerry Springer, watched it once, never bothered again, washing dirty linen in public has never been on the top of my list, a lot of people will go to any lengths to fulfill Andy Warhol's 15 minutes of fame:(

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They should get 6 life sentences running consecutively. If that is 10 years and 8 months as suggested they should serve each sentence one after the other.

I don't agree with concurrent sentences. It means that if you kill one person you might as well kill a few - its stupid

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Exactly what I've always said, we know the death penalty will never come back, but all this crap about serving sentences consecutively is bullshine, as is the term so many other cases are taken into consideration, that's just so the police can make their clear up figures look better, if somebody is caught for house breaking taking another 35 cases in consideration sure as hell does little for the poor sod who's been violated :mad:

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I doubt the death penalty would apply to this child-killer even if we did still have it-he's down for manslaughter.
I hope his brashness and cocky attitude cause him to go in with the regular inmates and forgo his offer of being in with 'vulnerable' prisoners.. ..And then the 'traditional' prisoners deal with him according to their own values.

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Toxic TV.......a bit like in days gone by when people would go and watch the antics of what were then called lunatics at Bethlehem(bedlam) Hospital in London.
I despise this voyeuristic style of television........and they purport to help these unfortunate dysfunctional families....how does airing your private problems on primetime TV help anyone?

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If Mick Philpott had got off his nick(bum) and done a full days work, five days a week...then maybe he would not have had the energy to bed two women,brag about it and father 17 children.

I really hope that the three of them get what is coming to them.......they didn't cry over the loss of their children....maybe something in prison might make them cry.

Oxygen thieves and a waste of good skin, all three of them.

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Well they usually have a wash and a brush up before they go down the pub that night, just to underline their newfound fame and fortune, no doubt charging for an autograph too :rolleyes:

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He will serve a minimum of just under 15 yrs, Bloody Pathetic Sentence in my view.:mad:

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15 years before he is liable for parole Mr C.
That's not to say he will be released then.

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speaking of jokes i was in the car yesterday and caught the end of the news about a bloke from round this way that has been convicted of murder.On the news it said he was given life and expected to serve at least 10 years?

unless the guy is 90 years old i doubt 10 years will be life

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Yeh but me point is its perfectly possible fer this piece of crap to be released then, n with the do-gooders multiplying by the year, it wouldn't surprise me.;)

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True enough Mr C but amateur shrink (cant spell phsycolgist* ;)) that I am this nasty sociopath will not show contrition from what I have seen of him .So no chance of parole. Hopefully I am wrong & he is racked full of guilt and remorse and does a Fred West and saves the state a ton of money. Tonight please.

*Help jaysay

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Aint too sure about that MrD, Even the likes of Hindley tried religion as get out, Freedom is a great motive.

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We will have to see Mr c.......:mad:
But as sure as sun comes up in the morning there will be another sociopath coming along pretty soon for us to debate in this forum.
Man's inhumanity to man.

Jared Diamond's "Guns, Germs and Steel" and "The Third Chimpanzee"

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Mick Philpott has been sentenced to life in prison for the manslaughter of his six children in a house fire in Derby. His wife Mairead Philpott and Paul Mosley were both sentenced to 17 years in jail.


taken from itv news page

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I'd like to widen the debate here, because it speaks to many of the problems Britain has today. I have better solutions for him.

1) Firstly he's got life inprisonment which means 15 years. My question is why should society pay to keep him alive ? The cost of keeping him alive far far exceeds the benefit to society. It takes 17 tax payers to keep him alive in prison. Tremendous waste of money in my opinion.

2) I actually don't think for this crime he should be executed as that's too good for him. I would use him for chemical testing. Afterall why should monkeys, rabbits and dogs have cosmetics shoved in their eyes to see if they are safe? They are innocent, and you'd get a much more realistic assessment of product risk if Mr Phillpot was used. Society would get some benefit out of him.

3) Aside from his fate, which is both expensive (unaffordable for bankrupt Britain) and far far too lenient, there's the bigger point of his lifestyle choice. How in the world can you have a system where living like this is "ok" or even turned into a celebrity roadshow by idiot TV watchers. It is not acceptable to me that you can choose to live on collective benefits and have kids for the purpose of state handouts. It's shameful that politicians in my country allows this.

Where I live in Singapore there is no welfare state - none. This country isn't bankrupt, has far closer families (you look after your old family members as well as your young) and you rightly don't have a choice to opt out of society and surf on the hard work of everyone else.

Finally this scum would have been executed within 10 days here, no questions, no appeals, no massive ongoing cost and noone would miss him.

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A frontal lobotomy would take away that psychotic personality.

It 'dehumanises', but he has no 'human qualities' to lose.

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from what i understand if you appear on jeremy kyle you get a night out in the hotel and a thousand pounds so the more peopel you can drag on with you the more money there is to be made.I have no doubt his and his pals appearance was merely a money making exercise and not for one second for the benefit of the children

if it is indeed true that people are paid for appearing on the jeremy kyle show mybe the show its self should re-think its policey and merely offer their services of DNA tests and lie detector tests if someone absolutley feels they have to resort to self humiliation by airing their issues in public.

i am guilty of watching teh occasional show on itv player its good for a laugh occasionally but he seems to have a thing against facebook.If it wasnt for facebook most of his guests wouldnt have met then bred with each other then appeared on his show .

frankie boyle summed up his guests pretty well by saying they round them up outside farmfoods in scotland using nets and tranquelizer guns lol

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What I don't understand is why he was allowed anywhere near the children he sired given that he had already served time for stabbing a former partner and her mother. Where were social services.? They were hardly living anonymously. Warts on the arse of society.!

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He was a damned expensive wart...he was taking the taxpayers of this country for 60K per year....what kind of job would he need to earn that kind of money after tax

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Didn't have to wait long :mad:
Tucked inside page 16 todays D Telegraph " Father of 17 gets life for stabbing man to death.

Feckless dad of 17 is given life for pub knife murder | UK | News | Daily Express)

Notorious father Jamie Cumming faces life sentence for Dundee murder - Dundee / Local / News / The Courier

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To me its time to start again with the justice, they did away with hanging back in the sixties now sentencing is just a joke, Why say life sentence when everybody knows it doesn't me that, again the two others were given 17 years but will only serve half, so why say they've got 17 years, say what you want about the yanks they certainly give the right sentences to people like this I doubt if any of um would see the light of day ever again across the pond:mad:

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why the hell wasnt he given a life scentance for each child he killed to be served consecutivly.At least that way there would be a chance he would die in jail.

heres hoping the other cellmates burn him alive in his cell.If teh courts cant dish out justice then let the other inmates

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mind you it didnt take long for a MP to jump up and try using these childrens deaths to justify screwing the poor in this country .What he said basically tars everyone with teh same brush and implies that everyone on benefits only has kids to get money and will kill them trying to get more

another MP with a bit more sense said that was like saying all middle class doctors are serial killers like harold shipman

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Well there certainly is something wrong with people like philpott being able to claim a kings ransom while sitting on his backside milking the system, the welfare state was set up as a safety net, not a lifestyle

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i am aware of that jay but this creature is a one off .The MP made it sound like all people on benefit with kids were only having kids for money and were a commodity rather than a loved one.I think it vile that this MP used these childrens deaths to justify further cuts to people on teh breadline when the real questions he should have been asking is why the law is so soft on people who murder or abuse children

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Sorry accyman, he might be a one off, but there are a hell of a lot of feral families with 10 11 12 kids and the mother usually say I just love kids, well to me if they want 10 11 or 12 kids fine, but don't expect the tax payer to keep them for the next 18 years, its a case of learning to cut your cloth according to the wide, not expecting society to do it for you:(

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Just been reading that Philpott might be in for a rough ride in the nick, it appears that gypsies have put a contract out on him, shame that ain't it;)

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Wish you had not told me this john , dont think i'll sleep tonight now:rolleyes:

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that would save the state some money then.

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Well i fer one will never call the gypos again.

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Salt of the earth Cashy;)