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I was shocked the other night when ITV broadcast the sex offenders register, then i realised it was just rolling the credits at the end of an episode of Coronation Street

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For those of you who believe that compensation culture contributes to these arrests, I would like you to watch this Australian news bulletin concerning Rolf Harris. The woman was a witness, not a victim, so has nothing to gain.

Rolf Harris 'witness' interviewed - Video - The West Australian - Yahoo!7 News

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slightly off topic but why did we need to send three police officers to australia to take a written statement surely she could have made a statement to australian police and had it signed and mailed to scotland yard or even a video statement emailed.Just seems a lot of money spent on taking a statement.

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If that evidence needs presenting in court the testimony of the officers who interviewed may be required.

I would rather our bobbies got a free trip there, instead of Aussie bobbies getting a trip here.

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in cases like this if found guilty and if the guilty can afford it they should foot the bill for expenses like this but then that opens up paying for your trial if found guilty for everyone.

or does that come under court costs ?

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It is notable that Stuart Hall was given time to 'asset strip' his financial worth by signing the deeds of his mansion to his wife.

Similarly, Rolf Harris's financial assets have plummeted from 15million down to five - how wasn't explained.

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This is one that not even conspiracy theorists suspected would be investigated.

Now police quiz Jimmy Tarbuck: Comedian arrested over alleged sex attack on young boy during the 1970s | Mail Online

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To be honest that aint come as much of a shock to me.

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friggin hell they will have to make some programmes now.there will be no repeats left.

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the dave channel is gonna be screwed at this rate

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Its just gone into liquidation :D

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This years Royal Variety Performance will be held in Ford open prison.:D

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Rewind The 60s, scheduled to be broadcast at 3.15pm on BBC2 today and featuring Tarby, has been replaced with another programme.

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Doubt it will have been replaced by top of the pops from that era

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On the plus side, before much longer they won't be showing any repeats at this rate. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

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if john pertwee or tom baker are arrested for something will the crime transend rejuvinations and lead to matt smiths arrest ?

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Who knoews:rolleyes:

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Could be the start of a a new tv series - HMP Strangeways presents 'Im a Celebrity, Get Me Out Of Here '!

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With all this going on they'll have to make the prison bigger on the inside than the outside.
http://i717.photobucket.com/albums/w...Who/TARDIS.gif

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just been talking to Bonnyboy about all this, how many 'stars' are wondering when THEY will be found out? There'll be a lot more to come

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A penal colony in space would be an answer.

.....but (allegedly) ETs consider Earth is just that already (for the evil souls of the universe):D

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Is what got them in bother in the first place! :idunno: :s_aim1:

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... just pipping Ken Barlow, Kevin Webster, Stuart Hall and Fred Talbot as the top attacker in Manchester......Robin Van Persie scrapes in with 25 nets

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RVP has just texted me " What about Eddy Shah?"

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Not guilty ... and it seems like, given the "evidence" that this is a fair verdict. I'm wondering how this might affect the other cases in progress. Seems like similiar accusastions are making the news over here ... though it seems like they are starting off at the bottom of the barrel.:theband::D

Phillip Nolan, drummer in Stephen Harper's band, charged with sexual assault - Ottawa - CBC News

By the way, what do you call a guy who hangs out with musicians? Answer: A drummer.

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I think a case like this is always going to be difficult to prove......no forensic evidence...only the say-so of the people involved...and just because he was acquiited doesn't mean that he didn't do it - only that there was not enough evidence to convince the jury.

We have to remember that he is an ACTOR by trade and used to assuming a role.
The women who gave evidence against him could have been telling the truth.
Memory is a funny thing......traumatic events can be compartmentalised as a coping mechanism.
The guy has always 'creeped me out'.

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Good job you weren't on the jury then, personal prejudice doesn't make good judicial decisions.
:)

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I will never be convinced of his innocence, I find it very odd that cast members are allowed to speak up fer him in court, That has no bearing at all as to wether he was guilty or not to me, But many of the public are soap fans some even fanatics, n the jury are members of the public n could easily be influenced by some of their favourite stars imho.:(

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I'm glad Bill Roache has been cleared - now he can get back to work & take that damn pooch for a walk, poor thing only ever gets as far as the front step with Deidre looking after it :)

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No, you are right Less and had I been selected for jury service I would have confessed my prejudice.

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A difficult task to secure a conviction but he got away with it in my view. Hope he retires to 'spend more time with his family'.

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Not to worry, I'd have had to sit on the side lines as well, my prejudice is possibly as strong as yours, I don't like soaps or their so called stars.
:o

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I agree entirely Cashy. This verdict means that those who spoke out against him are going to be considered liars.

I have aboslutely no respect for any man who trumpets in the press about his sexual conquests.
There must be many men out there who have had varied personal lives, but have(out of respect for themselves and the women involved) kept quiet about it.
Why would these women, who by now are in their sixties come forward with stories like this...be harangued in court put themselves through the experience...and some people will say it is for money - I don't think there is enough money on the planet that would make me do something like this.
Having to re-tell a traumatic experience is like living it all over again.

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Lucky for all of us that the question of guilt or innocence is not based on public opinion, or what folks read in the Daily Mail ... I like that paper; you really don't need to be able to read. One can figure things out from the pictures:D And, in cases such as these, character witnesses are the norm. Having read about the trial and the verdict, like him or not, I could not have voted "guilty" had I been on the jury.

I feel kinds sorry for PM Harper's drummer ... lots of Canadians will probably like it if he is found guilty, not because of who he is or what he is accused of, but because Stephen Harper is disliked by millions of us over here. And any scandal surrounding him will be happily gobbled up.

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There has been extensive coverage of the case by all of the media.....and my opinions are formulated from a variety of sources.
My personal prejudice of the man has also some influence over how I feel about the man and the verdict.....and of course, there really could be no other verdict.....purely because there was only abstract evidence.
The man himself knows the truth and will have to live with his conscience......and he believes that your ill deeds follow you.....and he has to live with that thought too.
Karma (of the appropriate kind) to him!

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Your Prime Minister has a band...?!!! Cool!

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He does have a couple of good points ... Nobody, not even a tory, is all bad.:D

And he performs with Yo Yo Ma ... Doesn't David Cameron have a band?;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOt2Qp0H9G8

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Yeh Dick Turpin @ the Highwaymen or so i heard.

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No he doesn't have a band, but if someone could provide him with enough rope...

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Aye, the lick-spittle arse kissers. :idunno:

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One role. It's more than 50 years since he played any part other than Ken Barlow. In his career, he's had four other roles, two of which were so minor they were uncredited at the end.

Of all the actors who have been through this experience, I'm guessing he's the least able to "act". Anyone in the jury who has seen Corrie would know if he's trying to act while on the stand.

I don't like the character either - I agree he's creepy. I haven't seen him being himself so I can't comment on him as a person. I am glad he's been acquitted though. I'm not suggesting those women weren't abused, it might even have been by him - but if they really wanted to secure a conviction it needed to be back when their memory and his would be a lot more reliable. I'm much younger than any of them, and I can't remember the specifics of what happened one year ago, let alone 40.

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yet another case that should never have seen a court room its going to get to teh point where genuine people wont even bother

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I knew two male teachers who were accused of sexual abuse , one with girls , the other with boys .

They were both suspended immediately .

At the end of their trial they were both found to be innocent .

Two careers wrecked .

There must be a better way of dealing with this issue .

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They should not be named until found guilty

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Agree 100% wi that.

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why cant the CPS and the police be charged with wasting hundreds of thousands of pounds of public money

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Probably for the same reason that the jury can't be prosecuted for bringing in a 'wrong' verdict.

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The jury came to that verdict as a result of the evidence they were given....if they were not 100% sure that the man had done these things then they had no choice but to acquit.
It is up to the prosecution to prove beyond reasonable doubt that he committed the offences....and they didn't convince the jury.

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By the same token, the police and CPS prosecute cases where they feel they have a reasonable chance of conviction and (for cases like this) it is in the public interest.

They will interview everyone involved and decide whether they have a case. It is not up to them to decide whether or not he is guilty. Witnesses will not face the same level of "interrogation" from the police as they will from defence lawyers, so they are less likely to find weakness or contradictions in such evidence.

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The fact that this is a 'historical' case as well makes it impossible to obtain hard forensic evidence...and really it is just one person's word over another.

One of the women who alleged abuse is apparently going to pursue civil action and alleges that the police didn't use all the evidence she gave them and failed to check on some facts that she wanted to be used to better her case.

This case(as Bill Roache observed) has no winners. The women who brought these allegations are now seen as liars, and having made the accusations for financial gain/status/whatever.
Only those who were present know the truth......but as far as the court is concerned justice has been done through due process.

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Relying on forensics and forensics alone is nearly always a bad position to prosecute from.
Not everyone's DNA is different.
Forensic based prosecution s make the police lazy

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Where did that come from?

This case can hardly have been built on forensics?

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Another post mentioned the lack of forensics,
I was making the point forensics are not all they are made out to be.

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Ah, right...



...Or should that be...


Ah, wrong?

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The chance of DNA evidence being wrong is remote, but there is always the chance that DNA samples can be mixed up...which is when DNA evidence is unreliable.
What I was trying to say was, that if there had been some DNA evidence as well as other evidence it would be easier to convince a jury.One persons word against that of another is never going to do it.

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It is a very convoluted argument...and I really am sceptical of it.
Our DNA is our unique blueprint...and the chances of someone having the same DNA and being in the vicinty of a crime is pretty remote, so if you are going to convict purely on DNA evidence then the conviction is flawed, but if, along with other evidence there is DNA evidence a conviction would be more likely to succeed.

And before anyone tells me that identical twins(not fraternal twins) share the same DNA - I know!

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In view of the fact that DLT, Cock-Roache ( & probably Rolf) are not guilty can we now absolve Jimmy Savile ?

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DLT isn't in the clear yet...

What happens if he's cleared of all charges? Does he have any comeback against the police or the people who made the accusations? Apparently he had to sell his home to pay his legal fees. Does that mean we should all live in fear of losing our hard-earned possessions because of a frivolous accusation?

Bill Roache said "there are no winners" - he's wrong. There's a certain bunch of bewigged learned people who are smirking all the way to the bank.

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whichever side a legal team work for they NEVER lose.

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i heard today DLT was cleared

best google it to be sure

yup cleared yesterday

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Agree about the lawyers. DLT said - "I have had 2 trials, one by the media and another by the Crown Court". Savile has only had the former. What would have been the outcome in court defended by expensive barristers in front of a gullible jury with colleagues, charity recipients & maybe royalty as character witnesses?

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The fact that this man has been cleared is down to there being nothing in the way of physical forensic evidence.....another court case based on his word (and memory of events) against that of his accusers.
This type of case is harmful for future cases of sexual harassment/abuse.
It will prevent those who are subjected to this from coming forward and reporting it.
Having to tell, in court, and be interrogated by hostile barristers will be like living the event all over again.

My advice to women is if you are in this situation, don't think twice, give the perp a swift kick in the gonads......it is better than having to go through all this, and then being branded as a liar.Just because these men have been cleared does not make them innocent, but that there hasn't been enough reliable evidence put forward by the CPS.

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From BBC News - Dave Lee Travis trial: DJ cleared of indecent assault

So as I said - not in the clear yet.

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What makes you think that the jury were 'gullible'? Do you have pertinent information that could have been used in the trial?

Alternatively do you read the daily mail or have the English disease of building people up until they are successful then relishing their downfall?

The very fact that these incidents are alleged to have happened 30-40 years ago and that there is no actual evidence implies that the only thing that the jury can take into account is 'who do they reasonably believe'.

If I accuse you of raping me in 1974...how do you think that you could prove otherwise except by bringing in people who knew you at the time, that could testify in court that they did not believe you capable of such a despicable crime? If the jury found you not guilty, would you still claim that the jury was 'gullible'?

And please do not go down the road of 'why would the CPS bring it to court?'..because I could deluge you with miscarriages of justice and examples of cases that should never have been brought to court.

I have no idea how old you are, but in the 70's, us young blokes treated women appallingly, myself included, because that was the way it was, it was acceptable to society. Looking back at some of the things I did growing up as a typical 'jack the lad', I'm glad I'm not a famous household name, because I'm sure a few ladies would chance their anonymous arm for the chance of a 'few quid' because of a drunken grope and an immature accusation of frigidity when I didn't get my own childish way.

Weird thing is I was walking with a young girl a couple of months ago in Corporation Park in Blackburn, she told me that she was afraid to walk in this park alone in broad daylight...that would never have happened in the perverted 70's

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But Guinness, you are a famous household name. Expect a knock on your door from the boys in blue.

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What? for being thick, black & Irish! (Now if that doesn't get the PC-enraged-a-lot on-behalf-of-some-perceived-offence, up in arms I don't know what will! :D)

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I (personally) wouldn't go through the ordeal of a court appearance (and the digging into my background that would go on to determine if I was of good character, reliable and honest) for all the money in the world.

If these women are telling the truth(which the jury doubted) then they have been forced to relive the traumatic expereinces that they have had burried in the back of their minds for four decades.

When bad experiences happen to you, a coping mechanism is to compartmentalise the incident - to lock it away and not visit it again. It is the way the mind deals with such things...so that the incident doesn't drive you mad.
The only people who know the truth are the perpetrators and the alleged victims.

If Bill Roache did do these things then his belief system is that he will pay for it in his next life...this is a bit late for the alleged victims.

I think that some men can sense who they can try it on with.....and maybe they do, and get away with it. Younger girls may not have the confidence to do something about it.

What is absolutely certain is that these trials do sexual abuse vistims no favours at all. They make the victims much less likely to report incidents because they know that unless there is some physical evidence, it is a case of one persons word against that of another.

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If only it was that easy.

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Blackburn isn't a very nice place to be most of the time anymore

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Neil, I know it isn't an easy thing to do...but in the situations that these women were in......an office, a studio, a dressing room - somewhwere that there is likely to be someone in the vicinty, it should be a safe technique....but up a back alley in the dark or in a lonely place this is not appropriate advce......unless you have other self defence skills, and are a good long distance runner.

Women need to be far more aware of the dangers they may subject themselves to. They should be able to see dangers of sexual predators, and protect themselves.

A knee to the gonads delivers such pain that it should give the victim a sporting chance of making an exit...and you know the old Confucuis saying? Girl with skirt up runs much faster than man with pants down

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I second that Neil. I dislike the place intensely.