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jaysay 15-05-2013 09:08
Is Grooming a racist issue
 
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct...46471029,d.ZWUAfter the Oxford case of grooming convicted a gang of Asian men of grooming young white girls for sex, this being on top of the Rochdale game being convicted of similar offences, its being suggested that its not a race issue, I for one don't agree, I never bothered with the latest case but wasn't one bit surprised when the 7 men jailed were all Asians, Its appeared to me that these gangs think anything's fair game so long as they're not Asian which would upset the Elders

Less 15-05-2013 09:26
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It shouldn't be a racist issue but no doubt it is.
Anyone grooming or mistreating young girls of any race should be abhored by everyone within all communities and must be dealt with by the full force of the law.

accyman 15-05-2013 09:58
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were they grooming asian girls as well and if not why not

maybe these asian peverts are racists ?

i think the last person that spoke out saying it was a problem within asian culture he got a right load of hassle so best say its not a race thing

davebtelford 15-05-2013 10:11
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I would say it's a culture clash rather than a race thing. Muslim girls (& women) are kept on a tight rein whereas white girls are allowed a fair degree of freedom by their parents or are effectively let loose by family break-up and lax social care. Young Muslim men have the testosterone drive and opportunity (working as taxi drivers & in take-aways) to take advantage in criminal ways. It needs an all round effort by parents, social services, police, judiciary & Muslim community leaders to protect the girls, deter potential perpetrators & catch and punish the guilty.

cashman 15-05-2013 10:16
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That to me is where it will always fall Down, To many Muslim Leaders will NOT co-operate with British Law n Order.

duggie 15-05-2013 21:32
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cut thier goolies off, they won't do it again

westendlass 16-05-2013 17:01
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Also, I would like to know why the press is reluctant to use the word paedophiles. If they were white they'd be classed as a paedophile ring.

DaveinGermany 18-05-2013 12:10
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On the face of it it would appear to be the case, that said though there are enough cases of Afro Caribbean, Caucasian, Christian offenders committing sexual offences/paedophilia upon youths both male & female.

The press instigate the premise that it's racially orientated thereby increasing the furore & outrage. The cultural leaders of the ethnic groups involved do little to assuage this preconception & so it goes on.

Until all cases are dealt with equally harshly & efficiently be they committed by white Europeans, black Africans or brown Asians, the heinous offences will continue & the losers in all this will not only be the poor abused victims but our own humanity.

cashman 18-05-2013 14:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by davebtelford (Post 1058845)
I would say it's a culture clash rather than a race thing. Muslim girls (& women) are kept on a tight rein whereas white girls are allowed a fair degree of freedom by their parents or are effectively let loose by family break-up and lax social care. Young Muslim men have the testosterone drive and opportunity (working as taxi drivers & in take-aways) to take advantage in criminal ways. It needs an all round effort by parents, social services, police, judiciary & Muslim community leaders to protect the girls, deter potential perpetrators & catch and punish the guilty.
Quote:
Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1058846)
That to me is where it will always fall Down, To many Muslim Leaders will NOT co-operate with British Law n Order.
I don't honestly think its a racist issue, its what i said in me earlier post that makes it seem that way to some people? Therefore rather than protect there community, they are doing more harm than good in my view.

DtheP47 19-05-2013 10:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by davebtelford (Post 1058845)
I would say it's a culture clash rather than a race thing. Muslim girls (& women) are kept on a tight rein whereas white girls are allowed a fair degree of freedom by their parents or are effectively let loose by family break-up and lax social care. .
From my reading of it race does come into the equation though in a warped twist. Think of it as essentially a Victorian society that has landed like Dr Who's Tardis on a liberal, permissive planet it despises. The pimps teach the victim that her parents are racist towards Asians which is why they dissaprove of their relationship.* Gang members grown wise to the wimpy ways of Western society and exploiting our police newly trained in cultural sensitivity who in turn are terrified of being accused of racism.

* Nothing of course to do with them being violent, sadistic, controlling thugs of course.

claytonx 19-05-2013 12:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by davebtelford (Post 1058845)
I would say it's a culture clash rather than a race thing. Muslim girls (& women) are kept on a tight rein whereas white girls are allowed a fair degree of freedom by their parents or are effectively let loose by family break-up and lax social care. Young Muslim men have the testosterone drive and opportunity (working as taxi drivers & in take-aways) to take advantage in criminal ways. It needs an all round effort by parents, social services, police, judiciary & Muslim community leaders to protect the girls, deter potential perpetrators & catch and punish the guilty.
I do think if they treated Muslim girls the same as they have treated white girls, the parents of the Muslim girls would see it came to an end. A dead end.

Margaret Pilkington 19-05-2013 15:37
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Muslim men see white girls as'trash'....worthless, less than the dirt on their shoes......they are kuffars - non believers so they can be used in anyway that these men see fit.

This situation has been going on for many years........mainly by men of Pakistani origin.

It is known of in their communities and nothing is said against these men, and nothing is done by the imams to bring it to a halt.
What has made the situation much worse is, that we have become so PC that if anyone was to say anything about it they would be deemed racist(when in actual fact what these Pakistani men are doing is racist) - they do not pick on girls of their own culture. They know that this would be something that the community to which they belong, would not stand for.

DtheP47 19-05-2013 15:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1059501)
Muslim men see white girls as'trash'....worthless, less than the dirt on their shoes......they are kuffars - non believers so they can be used in anyway that these men see fit.

This situation has been going on for many years........mainly by men of Pakistani origin.

It is known of in their communities and nothing is said against these men, and nothing is done by the imams to bring it to a halt.
What has made the situation much worse is, that we have become so PC that if anyone was to say anything about it they would be deemed racist(when in actual fact what these Pakistani men are doing is racist) - they do not pick on girls of their own culture. They know that this would be something that the community to which they belong, would not stand for.
Just to back that up Margaret... Nottingham Crown Court in January. Adil Rashid raped an underage girl and was spared jailtime after the judge heard the naive 18 year old attended an Islamic school where he was taught that women are worthless. Where was this school not some madrassa in Karachi...no no no... Birmingham . The school incidentally couldn't be named for "legal" reasons but it was said it is voluntary-aided-mainly funded by us the taxpayer.:(

cashman 19-05-2013 15:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1059501)
Muslim men see white girls as'trash'....worthless, less than the dirt on their shoes......they are kuffars - non believers so they can be used in anyway that these men see fit.

This situation has been going on for many years........mainly by men of Pakistani origin.

It is known of in their communities and nothing is said against these men, and nothing is done by the imams to bring it to a halt.
What has made the situation much worse is, that we have become so PC that if anyone was to say anything about it they would be deemed racist(when in actual fact what these Pakistani men are doing is racist) - they do not pick on girls of their own culture. They know that this would be something that the community to which they belong, would not stand for.
Exactly what i was alluding to, but yeh put it so much better Margaret.;)

jaysay 19-05-2013 17:05
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Was reading in one of the papers this morning that the mother of two of the Asians jailed in Oxford, is blaming the girls and that her two boys (31 and 32 year olds) are totally innocent, seems about par for the course:mad:

westendlass 19-05-2013 17:21
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It's about time these scum were treated like any other paedophile scum,whatever their race. We have laws in this country to deal with paedophiles, we shouldn't treat these animals any differently because of their 'religion', and I use that term lightly! I'm sick to death of everyone pussy footing around because of political correctness. These freaks take advantage of our, perceived, softly, softly approach towards certain religions. It's about time that their elders took on some responsibility for some of their own flock. They are an absolute disgrace to their own people.

Margaret Pilkington 19-05-2013 17:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1059506)
Exactly what i was alluding to, but yeh put it so much better Margaret.;)
An imam from Oxford wrote that the imams of the mosques in Oxford are known to promote this aspect that white non muslim girls are trash, and are to be used in whatever way muslim men feel.
So if this attitude is actively promoted by the imams, it will be seen by the community as a whole, as acceptable - respectable even, because these men are getting their sexual experience without any muslim girls coming to any harm.

It is easy to say that the girls who are the victims(whose lives are blighted forever) are from dysfunctional families, but this is not so in every case.

The Police and Social Services have tip-toed around this problem for at least two decades to my knowledge.

Sexual exploitation of young girls is never permissable......and yes of course there are white perpetrators as well( the latest court cases show this to be true) but the grooming of girls, the plying them with alcohol and drugs, the selling of them to other men just because they (the girls) are of a different culture is reprehensible.
If it were up to me(which alas, it isn't) these men would be surgically castrated without anaesthesia.

jaysay 19-05-2013 17:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1059524)
An imam from Oxford wrote that the imams of the mosques in Oxford are known to promote this aspect that white non muslim girls are trash, and are to be used in whatever way muslim men feel.
So if this attitude is actively promoted by the imams, it will be seen by the community as a whole, as acceptable - respectable even, because these men are getting their sexual experience without any muslim girls coming to any harm.

It is easy to say that the girls who are the victims(whose lives are blighted forever) are from dysfunctional families, but this is not so in every case.

The Police and Social Services have tip-toed around this problem for at least two decades to my knowledge.

Sexual exploitation of young girls is never permissable......and yes of course there are white perpetrators as well( the latest court cases show this to be true) but the grooming of girls, the plying them with alcohol and drugs, the selling of them to other men just because they (the girls) are of a different culture is reprehensible.
If it were up to me(which alas, it isn't) these men would be surgically castrated without anaesthesia.
never mind surgically castrated Margaret a pair of blunt garden shears would be much better

cashman 19-05-2013 17:57
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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1059528)
never mind surgically castrated Margaret a pair of blunt garden shears would be much better
Yer too soft, Blunt n Rusty.

Margaret Pilkington 19-05-2013 18:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1059528)
never mind surgically castrated Margaret a pair of blunt garden shears would be much better
I was feeling kind John...but on a peevish day I could see myself resorting to two nori bricks.

Eric 19-05-2013 18:12
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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1059534)
I was feeling kind John...but on a peevish day I could see myself resorting to two nori bricks.
Don't get your thumbs caught:eek: :D

Margaret Pilkington 19-05-2013 20:13
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would I?.........I don't think so Eric......anyway I would wear gloves so that there was no transmission of nasty infections. :D
Wouldn't want them to get sick from the procedure.

Karateman 19-05-2013 20:31
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Wonder what will happen when they get out of prison...I can no doubt guess....probably looked on as bloody heroes by their community.....

jaysay 20-05-2013 08:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1059529)
Yer too soft, Blunt n Rusty.
Ya suppose I do have a soft side cashy:rolleyes:

jaysay 20-05-2013 08:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1059534)
I was feeling kind John...but on a peevish day I could see myself resorting to two nori bricks.
If using that method always remember where your thumbs are;)oops see Eric beat me to that one

Margaret Pilkington 20-05-2013 09:34
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in my previous life(as a nurse) I was a Health and safety assessor...so you can be sure I would do the approprite risk assessment, to make sure that the operative came to no harm. :)

davebtelford 21-05-2013 09:21
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Incidentally, although it starts with grooming, I think grooming is too mild a term. Let's call it what it is - Paedophilia, rape, GBH, abduction, procurement, slavery & class A drug dealing. AND Conspiracy to commit all those crimes. (Apologies if I'm repeating earlier posts.)

jaysay 21-05-2013 09:25
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Originally Posted by davebtelford (Post 1059840)
Incidentally, although it starts with grooming, I think grooming is too mild a term. Let's call it what it is - Paedophilia, rape, GBH, abduction, procurement, slavery & class A drug dealing. AND Conspiracy to commit all those crimes. (Apologies if I'm repeating earlier posts.)
Can't infosise it too much Dave

shazfury1 21-05-2013 16:43
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This is not even truly racial. This is about men, who behave less than animals.
No respect for any women. Their own women suffer in silence.
These so called men are an abomination. Animals do not behave this way!

Less 21-05-2013 16:56
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Originally Posted by shazfury1 (Post 1059914)
This is not even truly racial. This is about men, who behave less than animals.
No respect for any women. Their own women suffer in silence.
These so called men are an abomination. Animals do not behave this way!

Oh! Dear Me? Have you got a chip where a shoulder should be?

If all men acted as you say would the Human race even exist?

Yes some men are worse than animals, but if all men are as bad as you say, would most decent women even allow them into their relationships?

You really do need to take a deep breath and calm down!
:eek:

jaysay 21-05-2013 17:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by shazfury1 (Post 1059914)
This is not even truly racial. This is about men, who behave less than animals.
No respect for any women. Their own women suffer in silence.
These so called men are an abomination. Animals do not behave this way!
Goodgreef we do have a down on men, don't we, hubby walked out on ya has he, with that kind of attitude it shouldn't surprise you one little bit, most men wouldn't even think of behaving in this way to any woman never mind children, would be better to engage brain before making stupid posts on here

DaveinGermany 21-05-2013 17:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by shazfury1 (Post 1059914)
These so called men !
Come on Lads, she did state "These", not all.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1059924)
Goodgreef we do have a down on men, don't we, hubby walked out on ya has he,
Uncalled for Jay, not so long back someone passed comment on an aspect of your life without knowing the facts thereby causing you offence & upset, might not other folk have similar concerns in their lives?

jaysay 21-05-2013 18:52
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Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 1059938)
Come on Lads, she did state "These", not all.



Uncalled for Jay, not so long back someone passed comment on an aspect of your life without knowing the facts thereby causing you offence & upset, might not other folk have similar concerns in their lives?
What aspect was that, I've only been upset once on here recently and that was because somebody continually poked fun day after day at every little mistake I mad, that's what ****ed me right of, that could well have been justified if, we were running a Queens English site, in which case there would be very few people frequenting this site at all, I think I'd a right to call time after all it had been going on for around 7 years.:mad:

DtheP47 21-05-2013 18:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by shazfury1 (Post 1059914)
This is not even truly racial. This is about men, who behave less than animals.
No respect for any women. Their own women suffer in silence.
These so called men are an abomination. Animals do not behave this way!
Whichever way you slice it shazf, it's difficult not to arrive back at a racial issue in this instance. OK spin it another way if you like "ethnic groups" Damian Green our Justice Minister* said last week it was time to dismiss any vestiges of political correctness around the issue.
Yes the crimes border on medieval depravity BUT the Oxford scandal follows on from similar grooming cases in Rochdale, Derby, Rotherham and Shropshire all perpetrated by gangs of Pakistani men.

* Now theres an oxymoron for you

accyman 21-05-2013 19:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1058846)
That to me is where it will always fall Down, To many Muslim Leaders will NOT co-operate with British Law n Order.
rermeber a police cheif in yorkshire getting in deep trouble for speaking to teh press about how some areas of bradford are impossible to impliment teh law because not only do they refuse to co-operate with police they dont even acknowlege UK law and go about their rules as if in a different country ie: the one they say they come from despite been born here:rolleyes:

bit like blackburn road but on a bigger scale - UK traffic law not enforcable

jaysay 21-05-2013 19:11
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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 1059968)
rermeber a police cheif in yorkshire getting in deep trouble for speaking to teh press about how some areas of bradford are impossible to impliment teh law because not only do they refuse to co-operate with police they dont even acknowlege UK law and go about their rules as if in a different country ie: the one they say they come from despite been born here:rolleyes:

bit like blackburn road but on a bigger scale - UK traffic law not enforcable
Ya Traffic Wardens are few and far between on Blackburn Road:rolleyes:

accyman 21-05-2013 19:11
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if as a group you igmore and disobey the law the law will leave you alone and go away

hardly the right message is it

DaveinGermany 21-05-2013 19:15
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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1059959)
What aspect was that, I've only been upset once on here recently :mad:
Not that old Chestnut? Just check back you'll find it wasn't everyday & continually as you claim, anyways what I was actually referring to was a comment made about you taking drugs (prescription though they be), it was taken out of context, by someone not having access to all the facts & you weren't overly pleased Jay.

Less 21-05-2013 19:19
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Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 1059973)
Not that old Chestnut? Just check back you'll find it wasn't everyday & continually as you claim, anyways what I was actually referring to was a comment made about you taking drugs (prescription though they be), it was taken out of context, by someone not having access to all the facts & you weren't overly pleased Jay.

Hey, stop it, stop it right now, don't pick on Jay, unless you want me to back you up!
:)

DaveinGermany 21-05-2013 19:44
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Originally Posted by Less (Post 1059975)
Hey, stop it, stop it right now, don't pick on Jay, unless you want me to back you up!
:)
I apologise most profusely my good Sir, your assistance would be greatly appreciated in this endeavour & we could take turns, one day Maverick, the next Iceman. ;)

Less 21-05-2013 19:56
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Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 1059981)
I apologise most profusely my good Sir, your assistance would be greatly appreciated in this endeavour & we could take turns, one day Maverick, the next Iceman. ;)
Is that similar to bad cop, even more nasty, I'll break your legs for a confession cop?

DaveinGermany 21-05-2013 20:05
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Originally Posted by Less (Post 1059987)
Is that similar to bad cop, even more nasty, I'll break your legs for a confession cop?
Suppose so, but if you want to limit your options to being just a plod we can do that but the chance to be a fighter pilot .................... think of the Kudos, Pilot or Plod? :D

Less 21-05-2013 20:21
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Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 1059991)
Suppose so, but if you want to limit your options to being just a plod we can do that but the chance to be a fighter pilot .................... think of the Kudos, Pilot or Plod? :D
Or Even, the guy that has a job working for jobseekers that you only see once a fortnight and no matter how good your jobsearch was, it's still not good enough!

Imagine how many others he's bullied since he last saw you?

Such power, he must go home exhausted to a wife that he has no chance of satisfying, he's had too much of a good time at work!

pinkpanther1 23-05-2013 22:49
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Yes

jaysay 28-06-2013 17:22
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It appears that the MC of GB has sent a letter to all mosques in the country which was due to be read out today about Grooming, looks like they are finally doing something about this now, seeing they've been getter a bad press recently ;)

Margaret Pilkington 28-06-2013 17:26
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they sent the sermon, but it was up to the individual mosques as to whether they used it.
In my book, actions speak louder than words.
When I hear that a muslim community has handed over one of its men to the police, because it has been discovered that they were 'grooming' young white/non muslim girls, then, and only then will I take this seriously.
Talk is cheap.

jaysay 28-06-2013 17:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1064465)
they sent the sermon, but it was up to the individual mosques as to whether they used it.
In my book, actions speak louder than words.
When I hear that a muslim community has handed over one of its men to the police, because it has been discovered that they were 'grooming' young white/non muslim girls, then, and only then will I take this seriously.
Talk is cheap.
At least it's a start Margaret, and shows they are now aware of the situation

cashman 28-06-2013 17:38
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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1064466)
At least it's a start Margaret, and shows they are now aware of the situation
Aware yeh, prepared to put any weight behind this awareness............Do me a favour.:rolleyes:

jaysay 28-06-2013 17:45
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1064469)
Aware yeh, prepared to put any weight behind this awareness............Do me a favour.:rolleyes:
prior to this they've kept stum

cashman 28-06-2013 17:48
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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1064471)
prior to this they've kept stum
Really, i agree, but i don't make excuses fer any of em.:rolleyes:

jaysay 28-06-2013 17:51
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1064473)
Really, i agree, but i don't make excuses fer any of em.:rolleyes:
I'm not making excuses, I'd have strung the barstewards up by the gonads miself cashy never mind sending letters:rolleyes:

cashman 28-06-2013 18:01
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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1064474)
I'm not making excuses, I'd have strung the barstewards up by the gonads miself cashy never mind sending letters:rolleyes:
I am well aware yeh would, Still don't prevent yeh from not saying, they have done sod all,but pay lip service to the publics wishes.:rolleyes:

jaysay 28-06-2013 18:12
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1064476)
I am well aware yeh would, Still don't prevent yeh from not saying, they have done sod all,but pay lip service to the publics wishes.:rolleyes:
They didn't even do that before;)

cashman 28-06-2013 18:13
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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1064479)
They didn't even do that before;)
True, but that seems good enough fer you.:rolleyes: Not fer me mister.;)

Retlaw 28-06-2013 18:38
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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1064466)
At least it's a start Margaret, and shows they are now aware of the situation
Aware of it, of course they are aware of it, but in their eyes they can do no wrong.

Margaret Pilkington 28-06-2013 19:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1064466)
At least it's a start Margaret, and shows they are now aware of the situation
John, they have been aware of the situation for a very long time...but the muslim community chose to ignore what was going on in their midst...they have been denying that the problem exists for 20 years that I know of.

KiTChener 28-06-2013 19:31
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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1064491)
John, they have been aware of the situation for a very long time...but the muslim community chose to ignore what was going on in their midst...they have been denying that the problem exists for 20 years that I know of.
Maybe they choose to ignore the situation because these men are told from childhood that women, especially white/non Muslim women are worthless....

And their own women seem to accept this thinking....

How often do you see them walking three paces behind the man?

Margaret Pilkington 28-06-2013 19:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by KiTChener (Post 1064495)
Maybe they choose to ignore the situation because these men are told from childhood that women, especially white/non Muslim women are worthless....

And their own women seem to accept this thinking....

How often do you see them walking three paces behind the man?
Of course that is the case...and I am sure this has been mentioned in the earlier parts of this thread.
Their women think that because non muslims dress in the way that they do(western style) that these girls are of low morals...and as such it is alright for their boys to 'practice' on them......in fact in one of the grooming cases, one of the asian mothers blamed the child victim and said that her son was innocent of any wrongdoing.
I wonder how loud this womans protest would have been if it had been her daughter being sexually abused by a non muslim male.
I'm sure you can guess.

For many years the police and Social Services have buried their heads in the sand and not wanted to say anything about these cases for fear of being labelled racist.

KiTChener 28-06-2013 20:04
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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1064498)
Of course that is the case...and I am sure this has been mentioned in the earlier parts of this thread.
Their women think that because non muslims dress in the way that they do(western style) that these girls are of low morals...and as such it is alright for their boys to 'practice' on them......in fact in one of the grooming cases, one of the asian mothers blamed the child victim and said that her son was innocent of any wrongdoing.
I wonder how loud this womans protest would have been if it had been her daughter being sexually abused by a non muslim male.
I'm sure you can guess.

For many years the police and Social Services have buried their heads in the sand and not wanted to say anything about these cases for fear of being labelled racist.
Fear of being labelled 'racist' deters so many otherwise sensible people from expressing their true views..... even stops our 'social workers' from fully investigating their suspicions when non-whites are involved.

Guinness 28-06-2013 23:39
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Originally Posted by KiTChener (Post 1064502)
Fear of being labelled 'racist' deters so many otherwise sensible people from expressing their true views..... even stops our 'social workers' from fully investigating their suspicions when non-whites are involved.
Not entirely true...social workers don't investigate anything until it's too late..winterbourne, huntley, baby p, shipman etc..etc..etc..

This is one of those times when I don't agree with the labelling.

These guys are sick, disgusting, poor excuses for human beings..but i'm not convinced that religion has any part of this. There is a culture of some muslims who believe that females who dress (for want of a better word) provocatively, are of low morals..but then again that culture is shared by christian mormons, amish and even some blue stocking C of E's.

I don't recall reading that the teacher who was just jailed for taking a 15 year old to France was a christian, bet my life that if he'd been a muslim it would have been headlined, don't recall the muppets who mistreated the people in winterbourne labelled as christians, again bet my life that if they'd been muslims they sure as hell would have been.

The question here...'is grooming a racist issue'.....yes, because the mainstream media are making it so, but in reality it's been happening for a long, long time across a variety of cultures and religions

Margaret Pilkington 29-06-2013 07:49
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No, they aren't Guinness. They are reporting that gangs of mainly muslim men are homing in on vulnerable (and sometimes very young) girls.(and not all of these girls were from bad homes, or shool drop outs)
They are plying them with drink and drugs, then they use them for sex....and some even go on to 'sell' these girls to other men of the same background.
Why do they do this?
Well, for a number of reasons :-
1) because they can - knowing that they can holler racisim.
2) because their own girls are 'off limits' for such depraved sexual experiences.
3) because they see all non believers as trash...worth less than the dirt on their shoes
women even more so.
4) because they know their communities will cover it up...hide it, pretend it isn't
happening.

When did you last hear of a gang of men who trawled around the place looking for girls to sexually use and abuse?

And do not use the Jimmy Savile thing.......that was bad, but it was not the same.

Yet, in some aspects it was similar. Men who thought they could do what they wanted with young girls and were above the law because of either status or wealth.

jaysay 29-06-2013 08:51
Re: Is Grooming a racist issue
 
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Originally Posted by KiTChener (Post 1064495)
Maybe they choose to ignore the situation because these men are told from childhood that women, especially white/non Muslim women are worthless....

And their own women seem to accept this thinking....

How often do you see them walking three paces behind the man?
I think that's the whole problem, When a woman has a girl they are castigated for it, and if you ever see a woman out with a male companion they are usually one step behind

jaysay 29-06-2013 08:56
Re: Is Grooming a racist issue
 
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1064480)
True, but that seems good enough fer you.:rolleyes: Not fer me mister.;)
No I don't accept it cashy we all know the way Muslim's think about their own women let alone white women,, but now the cats out of the bag and they are finally admitting something isn't right it can only be a step in the right direction, only a step, not a flaming big stride though:rolleyes:

Neil 29-06-2013 09:29
Re: Is Grooming a racist issue
 
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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1064491)
John, they have been aware of the situation for a very long time...but the muslim community chose to ignore what was going on in their midst...they have been denying that the problem exists for 20 years that I know of.
Sounds a lot like the Catholic Church in Ireland BBC News - Irish Catholic bishop in apology over paedophile priests

Margaret Pilkington 29-06-2013 09:42
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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 1064561)
Sounds a lot like the Catholic Church in Ireland BBC News - Irish Catholic bishop in apology over paedophile priests

Again, this is an organisation which attempts to rein in the sexuality of its ordained priests.......tells them they should be celibate...which is an unnatural state....so it is no surprise that men heed the calls that their body makes on them...to the detriment of young people.

They think that they can exercise their power over children, as they will say nothing about it. children are taught to revere people in authority(though I would think that is less so today - children seem more vocal about everything)...and not to question what they do.

And did they do it in Gangs Neil?

Did they sell these youngsters on, to similarly depraved individuals?

accyman 30-06-2013 23:02
Re: Is Grooming a racist issue
 
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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1064539)
They are plying them with drink and drugs, then they use them for sex...
exactly why a man who owned a shop on ...

(excuse my bad memory it was either washington or wellington street ,The one that is at the bottom of cedar street)

...went to prison because he was giving booze to little girls in his shop and having sex with them

westendlass 01-07-2013 14:59
Re: Is Grooming a racist issue
 
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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1064550)
I think that's the whole problem, When a woman has a girl they are castigated for it, and if you ever see a woman out with a male companion they are usually one step behind
If a bloke ever told me to walk on step behind he'd have one foot up his behind.

accyman 01-07-2013 15:09
Re: Is Grooming a racist issue
 
iv figured it out the burkah isnt a religous requirement its a safety feature that protects them from tehir husbands farts

jaysay 01-07-2013 17:35
Re: Is Grooming a racist issue
 
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Originally Posted by westendlass (Post 1064941)
If a bloke ever told me to walk on step behind he'd have one foot up his behind.
Take it you aren't a muslim then Westendlass:D

walkinman221 01-07-2013 17:40
Re: Is Grooming a racist issue
 
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Originally Posted by westendlass (Post 1064941)
If a bloke ever told me to walk on step behind he'd have one foot up his behind.
Come on now, single file pakistani style:D

jaysay 01-07-2013 17:41
Re: Is Grooming a racist issue
 
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Originally Posted by walkinman221 (Post 1064977)
Come on now, single file pakistani style:D
Will you be at the front Dave with all the money:D

walkinman221 01-07-2013 17:50
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Yes john, cash only thanks.:D

westendlass 02-07-2013 10:38
Re: Is Grooming a racist issue
 
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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1064971)
Take it you aren't a muslim then Westendlass:D
They wouldn't have me. I'd have to have a zip transplanted on to my mouth with a big lock on it.:D:eek:

cashman 02-07-2013 12:26
Re: Is Grooming a racist issue
 
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Originally Posted by westendlass (Post 1065048)
They wouldn't have me. I'd have to have a zip transplanted on to my mouth with a big lock on it.:D:eek:
Just a typical woman then?:hehetable:hehetable:hehetable

accyman 02-07-2013 13:40
Re: Is Grooming a racist issue
 
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Originally Posted by westendlass (Post 1065048)
They wouldn't have me. I'd have to have a zip transplanted on to my mouth with a big lock on it.:D:eek:
i think they fit them at the other end :eek::D

gpick24 02-07-2013 14:15
Re: Is Grooming a racist issue
 
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Originally Posted by westendlass (Post 1065048)
They wouldn't have me. I'd have to have a zip transplanted on to my mouth with a big lock on it.:D:eek:
I mis-read the last few words.http://i717.photobucket.com/albums/w...Smiley25-1.gif

accyman 02-07-2013 14:24
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Originally Posted by gpick24 (Post 1065098)
lol it took me a few seconds and then it clocked and i knew exactly what you meant :D

westendlass 02-07-2013 14:25
Re: Is Grooming a racist issue
 
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Originally Posted by gpick24 (Post 1065098)
Now that's just a little on the kinky side! :D:D:D

Tesco Rambler 12-07-2013 21:17
Re: Is Grooming a racist issue
 
I don't need to say a thing. But if you people don't wise up, you don't know the half of what's coming to this country in the next 10 to 30 years. You are going to be shocked to the limit of your endurance. THis is NOT racism buy the natural dynamic of the unnatural mixing of the races.
Look Britain has always accepted small numbers of persecuted peoples ant over very short time spans they have totally assimilated. What we are seeing is millions of people entering this land who are not persecuted (they are purely economic migrants) and have no intention of assimilating: they are building their own land and culture here among us. You think they will be kind and tolerant to us when we are the minority in:
Luton,
Blackburn,
Burnley,
Accrington,
huge swathes of Manchester, the west Midlands, Preston and London.
This is not racism but an attempt to get your grey matter moving. When they speak Urdu amongst themselves, do you think they love us? Could they ever be prosecuted for 'hate' crimes. Get Wise.

cashman 12-07-2013 21:23
Re: Is Grooming a racist issue
 
Everyone on here knows damn well whats going on, If you had got wise 6 yrs ago, that would have been much wiser.:rolleyes:

Restless 12-07-2013 23:05
Re: Is Grooming a racist issue
 
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Originally Posted by Tesco Rambler (Post 1066508)
I don't need to say a thing.
Then please don't. It will make the MAJORITY happy.


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