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sm_counsell 11-06-2013 07:42

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While searching for some relaxing pan pipe music, I came across this video.
I'd appreciate some comments.
Every Cancer Can be Cured in Weeks explains Dr. Leonard Coldwell - YouTube

Less 11-06-2013 08:28

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Watched the first 2 mins, couldn't be bothered with the rest, sounds too basic, if curing cancer was that easy Doctors would have been doing it in the middle ages and not struggling for cures like they still are.

MargaretR 11-06-2013 08:45

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Good nutrition can be 'preventative medicine'.

The problem with achieving that is -

1. We live in a world where soils. by now, are minerally depleted, so plants and animals are not providing the nutrition for us that they once did.

2. So many inorganic chemicals are being used in growing/feeding of what we eat that we are getting a chemical cocktail at every mouthful.

3. This toxic load is made worse by processing of food where more artificial chemicals are used as 'shelf life improvers' and 'appearance enhancers'.

4. Some foods are totally unnatural/man made - eg margarine. Natural fats are unnaturally processed which renders them toxic instead of nutritious.

5. Nutritional advice is often influenced for financial reasons/profits. You are advised to eat what they want to sell.

The medical profession's 'solution' to this unnatural, illness causing, toxic load, is to give you even more.

Once you body has become an overflowing dustbin of toxins, your organs start to malfunction. Whether proper function can be restored is debateable. Some opinion is optimistic that it can,(as this video shows).

It is impossible to live a life free from food pollution, water pollution, air pollution, - artificial chemical poisoning of all of them. So the best you can do is try to limit them, so that you (as a dustbin) will take longer to get full. Eventually it will. You can only try to limit how soon it happens.

Despite all the money spent on cancer research there will never be a cure as long as it it is more financially lucrative to keep you sick.

MargaretR 11-06-2013 09:12

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I agree with most of what this man recommends. I read his book a few years ago and followed many of his recommendations. If I hadn't done that I don't think that I would be alive today. My health problems are due to my addiction to tobacco and I choose not to cure myself of that. I don't use pharmacuticals, and by doing that I am, in effect, choosing the way I will die - by 'shortage of breath' - doesn't everybody:D

"Never Be Sick Again" Part 1 - YouTube

"Never Be Sick Again" Part 2 - YouTube

sm_counsell 11-06-2013 09:33

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1062338)
I agree with most of what this man recommends. I read his book a few years ago and followed many of his recommendations. If I hadn't done that I don't think that I would be alive today. My health problems are due to my addiction to tobacco and I choose not to cure myself of that. I don't use pharmacuticals, and by doing that I am, in effect, choosing the way I will die - by 'shortage of breath' - doesn't everybody:D

"Never Be Sick Again" Part 1 - YouTube

"Never Be Sick Again" Part 2 - YouTube

Thanks, Margaret, I found these two videos very inyterestinh

MargaretR 11-06-2013 09:38

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Originally Posted by sm_counsell (Post 1062340)
Thanks, Margaret, I found these two videos very inyterestinh

I saw a better video interview of him several years ago where he explained more about toxicity and less about sugar.

Unfortunately that video is on a site that is now 'subscription only'

accyman 11-06-2013 11:40

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if you dance to the birdi song 3 x per day infront of your window with the curtains open within 3 months you can easily find yourself both in shape and institutionalised

Less 11-06-2013 12:10

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 1062349)
if you dance to the birdi song 3 x per day infront of your window with the curtains open within 3 months you can easily find yourself both in shape and institutionalised

Ah, indeed that is an opinion, possibly of far greater use than all that of been put forward so far, (in MY opinion).

susie123 11-06-2013 14:28

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Originally Posted by sm_counsell (Post 1062325)
While searching for some relaxing pan pipe music, I came across this video.
I'd appreciate some comments.

AArgh not another quack! Speakng as someone "at the coal face" as it were (I was dignosed 18 months ago) I am sick and fed up of these fake doctors peddling their fake cures in books and videos to gullible folks who probably also reject conventional medicine. The internet is full of them making their fortunes out of this rubbish.

http://sguforums.com/index.php?topic=25790.0

I am not saying that good nutrition etc does not help, but it will never be a cure.

Now, I'm off to find the words to the birdie song. And did you say pan pipe music was relaxing? Ugh! It sets my teeth on edge!

Less 11-06-2013 14:33

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Susie, these are just callous folk living off the desperate.
If there is a hell, I hope they and their followers suffer for spouting to and profiting from those that need help.

susie123 11-06-2013 14:44

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 1062355)
Susie, these are just callous folk living off the desperate.
If there is a hell, I hope they and their followers suffer for spouting to and profiting from those that need help.

Couldn't have put it better myself, Less, without getting too emotional. Thank you.

What I'd like to know is whether they believe all the trash they peddle.

cashman 11-06-2013 14:56

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Been yon done it, got the T-Shirt wi me late wife. Tried everything, desperation drives yeh to that, utter crap in my eyes.:(

Less 11-06-2013 15:12

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Originally Posted by sm_counsell (Post 1062325)
While searching for some relaxing pan pipe music, I came across this video.
I'd appreciate some comments.

Well so far, after being lazy and asking only for opinions, (why couldn't you have put something in the title? Such as, 'nutter alert'?) you have only replied to one poster, our resident conspiracy theorist, obviously this is the only type of opinion you want.

What a shame that you are so desperate, I hope your problem is cured, no matter which voodoo you end up believing in.
:(

Less 11-06-2013 15:17

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Originally Posted by susie123 (Post 1062356)

What I'd like to know is whether they believe all the trash they peddle.

They believe in the $ and they don't care how they get it.

Watch them change when it's their turn!!!
:mad:

accyman 11-06-2013 15:26

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pan pipe music has its place

in its cd case prefferably unopened :D

accyman 11-06-2013 15:27

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pan pipe music can keep away herpees - if its seen in your music collection no one will sleep with you

Less 11-06-2013 15:38

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 1062366)
pan pipe music can keep away herpees - if its seen in your music collection no one will sleep with you


Hey, are you saying my farts sound like pan pipes?

No wonder I sleep alone!

accyman 11-06-2013 15:39

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 1062368)
Hey, are you saying my farts sound like pan pipes?

No wonder I sleep alone!


if anything rusty pipes mate :eek:

accyman 11-06-2013 15:44

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iv just put agadoo on and cured my arthritis :D

Less 11-06-2013 15:46

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 1062369)
if anything rusty pipes mate :eek:

Nah, the brown colouring is probably because of cheap toilet rolls not rust.

Meanwhile, this pan fellah always horny and an amateur dramatic, (always hoofing it), he didn't die of cancer though...

...perhaps we need to look for his video, it should have some original background music!


http://ursispaltenstein.ch/blog/imag...anflutists.jpg

Here's a set you could have won!!!

Less 11-06-2013 15:48

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 1062371)
iv just put agadoo on and cured my arthritis :D

I know I shouldn't ask, but, where did you push the pineapple?
:eek:

accyman 11-06-2013 18:24

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 1062374)
I know I shouldn't ask, but, where did you push the pineapple?
:eek:


cant push it there mate :D:(:D

DaveinGermany 11-06-2013 18:34

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 1062374)
I know I shouldn't ask, but, where did you push the pineapple?
:eek:

You're right you shouldn't ask, but if he offers you pineapple chunks, I'd suggest you decline. :s_aim1:

ossy kid 11-06-2013 20:16

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There you are Susan, you asked for some opinions and got some along with some sarcasm and some insults. Doesn't do to ask a question sometimes, however I think it was interesting, we all know sugar is bad for us but it tastes good so we ignore the bad part. I've been trying to cut down for ages so now I WILL cut it out and see what happens. I need to loose some weight and see what else develops, results to follow.

sm_counsell 11-06-2013 20:49

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Only just got back on the computer so dear Less that's the reason I haven't replied.
Firstly and Thankfully I have no particular health problems and even if I had I wouldn't discuss it here(learn't my lesson from a few years ago when I tried to give some info).Secondly I am not into this kind of video or alternative theories, I simply wanted to hear what other people thought.
Thirdly, I like almost all kinds of music and although I didn't ask for opinions on pipes, thanks anyway.
Must say though, Less you're an ace at being hurtful, good job I've got a thick skin!

accyman 11-06-2013 20:51

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less insinuated i put pineapples up my arse

that thought alone was painfull

Retlaw 11-06-2013 21:44

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 1062399)
less insinuated i put pineapples up my arse

that thought alone was painfull

Thought your problem was clinkers.:hidewall:

Less 12-06-2013 08:14

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Originally Posted by sm_counsell (Post 1062398)
Only just got back on the computer so dear Less that's the reason I haven't replied.

Not quite true, you had been on and commented on mags.


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Originally Posted by sm_counsell (Post 1062398)
Firstly and Thankfully I have no particular health problems and even if I had I wouldn't discuss it here(learn't my lesson from a few years ago when I tried to give some info).

I'm very glad you have no health problems at least you won't gain any false hope from the video you put on. (Unlike some gullible and desperate sufferers).


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Originally Posted by sm_counsell (Post 1062398)
Secondly I am not into this kind of video or alternative theories, I simply wanted to hear what other people thought.

You claim not to be 'in' to this kind of video but thought it worthy of putting on site. Well, you got opinions perhaps not what you wanted or expected but what the hey that's what you asked for.


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Originally Posted by sm_counsell (Post 1062398)
Thirdly, I like almost all kinds of music and although I didn't ask for opinions on pipes, thanks anyway.

You didn't say that you didn't want opinions about pipe music either, in fact you were very none specific about what you wanted opinions on!

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Originally Posted by sm_counsell (Post 1062325)
While searching for some relaxing pan pipe music, I came across this video.
I'd appreciate some comments.



You asked for comments, you got them.

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Originally Posted by sm_counsell (Post 1062398)
Must say though, Less you're an ace at being hurtful, good job I've got a thick skin!

I wasn't being hurtful, obviously though, the thick skin you mentioned is inside your skull that is why none of the decent stuff gets through.

susie123 12-06-2013 09:32

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Once again, Less says it all.

DtheP47 12-06-2013 10:24

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Originally Posted by susie123 (Post 1062354)
AArgh not another quack! Speakng as someone "at the coal face" as it were (I was dignosed 18 months ago) I am sick and fed up of these fake doctors peddling their fake cures in books and videos to gullible folks who probably also reject conventional medicine. The internet is full of them making their fortunes out of this rubbish.

Read a day or so about the Alcor Life Extension Foundation in Arizona. They have signed up over a 1000 peeps who fancy a shot at immortality. Speculative Life Support Technology as they call it. At death body fluids drained and replaced with preservatives. Then frozen to -196C.
Revival may or may not ever be possible in which case storage payments to Alcor funded by a special life insurance policy seems a bit pointless.
Are these people desparately bonkers ?

accyman 12-06-2013 11:36

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Originally Posted by DtheP47 (Post 1062445)
Are these people desparately bonkers ?


yes

even if you could put the spark of life back into a body in the future the cell dammage done by freezing would be irriversable

well unless they solve that problem as well but until then walt disneys head will remain in its bucket on ice :)

Gordon Booth 12-06-2013 11:50

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 1062449)
yes

even if you could put the spark of life back into a body in the future the cell dammage done by freezing would be irriversable

If that is true how do they freeze sperm and eggs in liquid nitrogen(-196 Centigrade) but still unfreeze them and they are alive and viable?

DtheP47 12-06-2013 11:56

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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 1062450)
If that is true how do they freeze sperm and eggs in liquid nitrogen(-196 Centigrade) but still unfreeze them and they are alive and viable?

Think it's to do with our heads consisting of complex vegetable matter (some of us not so complex Mr B* ;)) Try freezing a tomato. It all turns to gooey mush when thawed out. Ice crystals form, vessels burst and fluids leak. :cool:

*Present company excepted !!

MargaretR 12-06-2013 11:57

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I want to explain my concept of death - it is in no way connected to any religion, but atheists who do not conceive that life is more than just physical will disagree with me. So be it.

A fear of death is prevalent in humans but not animals - their fear is of pain only because most species have no concept of what death is.

In order to remove fear of death, it helps to read anecdotal evidence from people who died and were resuscitated, and/or have had 'out of body experiences'

Losing the fear of death - Print 4 Half

You can accept that death of the physical body more readily if you are convinced that you have a spiritual body which is indestructible.

If your physical life is so painful that you contemplate ending it - beware that you might be prolonging your agony by guaranteeing you reincarnation/repetition of the agony you thought you were freeing yourself from. Pain and suffering are part of the experience of being in a physical body. Your spiritual body wanted the experience - so grin and bear it until your 'time is up'.

Some here will consider this a deluded hope - I think they will be pleasantly surprised.

Less 12-06-2013 12:05

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Well from the above, should we also believe the fantastical stories of 'into body experiences', we read about from the looney tunes that claim to have been abducted and probed by aliens?

DtheP47 12-06-2013 12:08

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1062452)
I want to explain my concept of death - it is in no way connected to any religion, but atheists who do not conceive that life is more than just physical will disagree with me. So be it.

A fear of death is prevalent in humans but not animals - their fear is of pain only because most species have no concept of what death is.

In order to remove fear of death, it helps to read anecdotal evidence from people who died and were resuscitated, and/or have had 'out of body experiences'

Losing the fear of death - Print 4 Half

You can accept that death of the physical body more readily if you are convinced that you have a spiritual body which is indestructible.

If your physical life is so painful that you contemplate ending it - beware that you might be prolonging your agony by guaranteeing you reincarnation/repetition of the agony you thought you were freeing yourself from. Pain and suffering are part of the experience of being in a physical body. Your spiritual body wanted the experience - so grin and bear it until your 'time is up'.

Some here will consider this a deluded hope - I think they will be pleasantly surprised.

As one without religious belief and nothing to look forward to but the great void, a magisterial nothingness. I don't much like the idea of death Margaret but reckon it's mega egotistical to want to foist oneself on the universe forever.

And as my old mate Wandering Walter used to say " It's good manners to give up your place at the table for someone else when the time comes."

accyman 12-06-2013 12:08

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 1062456)
Well from the above, should we also believe the fantastical stories of 'into body experiences', we read about from the looney tunes that claim to have been abducted and probed by aliens?

its amazing how these aliens always seem start with the arse in these people stories

im beginning to wonder if aliens have noses or even a sense of smell

its a long way to come just to look at someones arse infact it could be that their satnav has got a bit confused and taken them past their intended destination Uranus

MargaretR 12-06-2013 12:11

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 1062456)
Well from the above, should we also believe the fantastical stories of 'into body experiences', we read about from the looney tunes that claim to have been abducted and probed by aliens?

I didn't expect I would get any more than this from Less:rolleyes:
Less civility, Less empathy, I don't think he has a 'surplus' of anything worth having. :D

Less 12-06-2013 12:23

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1062460)
I didn't expect I would get any more than this from Less:rolleyes:
Less civility, Less empathy, I don't think has a 'surplus' of anything worth having. :D

What on Earth makes you think your bull deserves anymore praise than my criticism of it does?
You talk bull, I reply to you in a similar fashion so that you and others of a similar ilk may just one day stop trying to make converts to your ridiculous beliefs.
As for the les' jokes, very tired and unoriginal. I would think there is more truth in a little boy being able to stick his finger in a 'Dyke', than any of your weird posts.

MargaretR 12-06-2013 12:26

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Originally Posted by DtheP47 (Post 1062457)
As one without religious belief and nothing to look forward to but the great void, a magisterial nothingness. I don't much like the idea of death Margaret but reckon it's mega egotistical to want to foist oneself on the universe forever.

And as my old mate Wandering Walter used to say " It's good manners to give up your place at the table for someone else when the time comes."

I don't 'do' religion either - an essential part of evolution of consciousness is loss of ego - the nearest 'religion' who consciously try to lose it are Zen Buddhists - we are all a fragment of a universal 'whole' consciousness using physical life to gain experience.

MargaretR 12-06-2013 12:31

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 1062463)
What on Earth makes you think your bull deserves anymore praise than my criticism of it does?
You talk bull, I reply to you in a similar fashion so that you and others of a similar ilk may just one day stop trying to make converts to your ridiculous beliefs.
As for the les' jokes, very tired and unoriginal. I would think there is more truth in a little boy being able to stick his finger in a 'Dyke', than any of your weird posts.

I don't seek to convert you - 'heaven' forbid (pun intended) that my spiritual body will ever meet yours in the afterlife - that would be 'purgatory':D

accyman 12-06-2013 12:32

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if you two went to regression therapy id put a tenner on you two been married in a previous life:D

MargaretR 12-06-2013 12:35

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 1062467)
if you two went to regression therapy id put a tenner on you two been married in a previous life:D

Reincarnation (best avoided if poss) doesn't usually involve having two miserable lives consecutively - since I have had a hard time in this one I don't think so;)

Less 12-06-2013 12:36

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1062466)
I don't seek to convert you - 'heaven' forbid (pun intended) that my spiritual body will ever meet yours in the afterlife - that would be 'purgatory':D

Don't worry mags, you won't be upset because after death there is NOTHING.
You, I and everything else will be recycled into the stardust from whence we came, though if I'm wrong, you will be one of the first people I look for just so you can say, 'I told you so'.

Less 12-06-2013 12:45

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1062469)
Reincarnation (best avoided if poss) doesn't usually involve having two miserable lives consecutively - since I have had a hard time in this one I don't think so;)

Now, that does tug at my heart strings, the fact that you think you've had a hard time in this life.
Could this be why you so desperately cling to any alternative thought of existing being better for you?
I really do hope you get what you wish for, and soon.
Bless...

Retlaw 12-06-2013 12:48

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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 1062450)
If that is true how do they freeze sperm and eggs in liquid nitrogen(-196 Centigrade) but still unfreeze them and they are alive and viable?

Because the freezing process is so fast Ice Crystals don't form,
try it with a tomato, it will still be a tomato when defrosted.

MargaretR 12-06-2013 12:48

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Ego death - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Some famous examples of people claiming to have had the experience are Ramana Maharshi and U. G. Krishnamurti. In 2000 Eckhart Tolle claimed that he underwent the experience after having suffered from long periods of suicidal depression. He says he woke up in the middle of that night and thought,
I couldn’t live with myself any longer. And in this a question arose without an answer: who is the ‘I’ that cannot live with the self? What is the self? I felt drawn into a void. I didn’t know at the time that what really happened was the mind-made self, with its heaviness, its problems, that lives between the unsatisfying past and the fearful future, collapsed. It dissolved.”

Tolle recalls going out for a walk in London the next morning, and finding that “everything was miraculous, deeply peaceful. Even the traffic."


I have had a brief experience of the 'void' during a lucid dream - it is difficult to describe 'overwhelming calm'.

PS Judging others is an expression of ego so I really should avoid having any opinion about Less as a person - just saying - he no longer 'rattles' me, which is nice not to experience such negative emotion.

Less 12-06-2013 13:34

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Oh, dear, not rattled, you?
You live to be rattled you look for the worst things possible in everything.

DaveinGermany 12-06-2013 17:24

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 1062463)
there is more truth in a little boy being able to stick his finger in a 'Dyke',

He did , but she didn't half crack the little sod! :D

DtheP47 13-06-2013 12:08

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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 1062450)
If that is true how do they freeze sperm and eggs in liquid nitrogen(-196 Centigrade) but still unfreeze them and they are alive and viable?


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Originally Posted by DtheP47 (Post 1062451)
Think it's to do with our heads consisting of complex vegetable matter (some of us not so complex Mr B* ;)) Try freezing a tomato. It all turns to gooey mush when thawed out. Ice crystals form, vessels burst and fluids leak. :cool:

*Present company excepted !!

As water freezes, it expands. Since cells are made up of mostly water, freezing expands the “stuff” inside which destroys their cell walls and they die. The cryonics companies need to remove and/or replace this water. They replace it with something called a cryoprotectant. Much like the antifreeze in an car. This glycerol based mixture stops and protects against damage to your organs and tissues by hindering the formation of ice crystals. This process is called “vitrification” and allows cells to live in a sort of suspended animation.

For a tomato to remain a tomato the water would have to be removed in a process similar to the above. And then rehydrated somehow at the thawing stage.
So in essence the tomato would have to be dessicated first, ergo, you are not freezing a tomato really.

Gordon Booth 13-06-2013 14:11

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Originally Posted by DtheP47 (Post 1062642)
As water freezes, it expands. Since cells are made up of mostly water, freezing expands the “stuff” inside which destroys their cell walls and they die. The cryonics companies need to remove and/or replace this water. They replace it with something called a cryoprotectant. Much like the antifreeze in an car. This glycerol based mixture stops and protects against damage to your organs and tissues by hindering the formation of ice crystals. This process is called “vitrification” and allows cells to live in a sort of suspended animation.

For a tomato to remain a tomato the water would have to be removed in a process similar to the above. And then rehydrated somehow at the thawing stage.
So in essence the tomato would have to be dessicated first, ergo, you are not freezing a tomato really.

Thanks, DP, sort of rules out bringing you back to life, full of antifreeze, doesn't it?
Still, if they could do it you'd make a good Antarctic explorer, wouldn't you? No need for all those warm clothes.
Doesn't explain how they freeze sperm and eggs though. I'm sure they're not full of antifreeze, if they are we're pushing evolution hard!

susie123 13-06-2013 14:28

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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 1062654)
Thanks, DP, sort of rules out bringing you back to life, full of antifreeze, doesn't it?
Still, if they could do it you'd make a good Antarctic explorer, wouldn't you? No need for all those warm clothes.
Doesn't explain how they freeze sperm and eggs though. I'm sure they're not full of antifreeze, if they are we're pushing evolution hard!

Gordon, it does seem that the same methods are used for sperm and doesn't seem to stop the little blighters swimming.

Semen cryopreservation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As for eggs, they are not usually frozen. It is embryos that are frozen, after fertilisation. However, freezzing of eggs is at an experimental stage. The following information is taken from the Macmillan charity website regarding loss of fertility after cancer treatment.

Freezing embryos

This is the most effective way of preserving fertility. After your eggs have been collected, they’re placed in a test tube with your partner’s or a donor’s sperm to see if they fertilise. This is called in vitro fertilisation (IVF). The eggs that are fertilised grow into tiny embryos, which are frozen and then stored.
When you’re ready to try and get pregnant after treatment, the embryos are thawed and placed in the womb to see if they implant. Usually, no more than one or two are placed in at a time. Although pregnancy rates using frozen embryos are lower than when embryos are implanted immediately, lots of babies have been born using this technique.

Freezing eggs

If you don’t have a partner you may want to freeze your eggs and have them fertilised later when you’ve met someone. This is still experimental but techniques are improving. It’s available privately and on the NHS in some units. Eggs are collected as usual (as described above) and are frozen and stored. When you’re ready to try to get pregnant, the eggs are thawed and fertilised by injecting a single sperm directly into an egg. This is called intra-cytoplasmic sperm injection (ICSI).
If any eggs are successfully fertilised, the resulting embryos are placed in the womb to see if a pregnancy develops.
Freezing eggs and ICSI is much less likely to result in a pregnancy than embryo storage, but success rates are improving.

accyman 13-06-2013 14:31

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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 1062654)
Thanks, DP, sort of rules out bringing you back to life, full of antifreeze, doesn't it?
Still, if they could do it you'd make a good Antarctic explorer, wouldn't you? No need for all those warm clothes.
Doesn't explain how they freeze sperm and eggs though. I'm sure they're not full of antifreeze, if they are we're pushing evolution hard!


maybe as an egg or a sperm there are a lot less cells to dammage where as a grown product of the combination of both is much more complex and larger and teh risk of dammage greater but thats just pure specualtion

a few years ago a mammoth was found preserved in ice and although they cant revive it if i remember correctly they do think they could clone it in the near future so it may be a case that things like dna can survive freezing and remain viable but larger cells cant.

iv got some juice on ice in manchester from before my radiotherapy treatment that was planned for me if i ever pop back to use it ill ask lol

Less 13-06-2013 15:24

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 1062657)

iv got some juice on ice in manchester from before my radiotherapy treatment that was planned for me if i ever pop back to use it ill ask lol

No point popping back, it will only end up in a tissue like before your treatment!

accyman 13-06-2013 16:23

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 1062664)
No point popping back, it will only end up in a tissue like before your treatment!

best reply today

hell this week lol :D

Less 13-06-2013 16:27

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 1062672)
best reply today

hell this week lol :D

Aw, gosh, I'm embarrassed, how did I know?
:rolleyes:

accyman 13-06-2013 16:29

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 1062674)
Aw, gosh, I'm embarrassed, how did I know?
:rolleyes:

coz you were the one tugging it ?

Less 13-06-2013 16:30

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 1062676)
coz you were the one tugging it ?

My memory is going, remind me of the occasions!

accyman 13-06-2013 16:31

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 1062677)
My memory is going, remind me of the occasions!


that would defeat the object of rohypnol ;)

Less 13-06-2013 16:34

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 1062678)
that would defeat the object of rohypnol ;)

Can you remember?

Whom gave it to whom?

By the way if we remove the letters, h,p,n,o and i it spells Roy, we was set up!!!

DtheP47 13-06-2013 19:15

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Originally Posted by susie123 (Post 1062656)
Gordon, it does seem that the same methods are used for sperm and doesn't seem to stop the little blighters swimming.

Semen cryopreservation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As for eggs, they are not usually frozen. It is embryos that are frozen, after fertilisation. However, freezzing of eggs is at an experimental stage. The following information is taken from the Macmillan charity website regarding loss of fertility after cancer treatment.

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Thanks Susie :D I knew you'd be able to contribute positively.


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