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firefighter753 19-07-2013 11:47

Accrington could lose a fire engine.
 
This isn't good news

Accrington could lose fire engine as part of £5m cuts (From Lancashire Telegraph)

maxthecollie 19-07-2013 12:21

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This is our stupid government cutbacks again

Guinness 19-07-2013 13:40

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Originally Posted by maxthecollie (Post 1067421)
This is our stupid government cutbacks again

What???? Honest Dave tellin' porkies....surely not :eek:

There'll be no cuts to frontline services under a Tory government, says Cameron The Tory Diary

Less 19-07-2013 14:26

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Originally Posted by Guinness (Post 1067437)

We have to consider where the front line is before he's called a liar.
Obviously anything North of Watford isn't front line and if I lived in Watford, well, cuts are cuts, half of Watford is North of Watford!

accyman 19-07-2013 16:30

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not to worry folks the education system we are partly funding in china with foriegn aid and aid to other countries liek pakistan and india is secure

good to know that although lives in our area of people we may know may not be saved through lack of a fire engine that chinas education system isnt suffering

accyman 19-07-2013 16:37

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Miles Parkinson, who will chair Thursday’s meeting, said: “I cannot comment on unpublished proposals but I am sure the safety of the public will be maintained
yeah especially around nov 5th when its the quitest time of the year for the firebrigade:rolleyes:

maxthecollie 19-07-2013 19:22

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 1067464)
yeah especially around nov 5th when its the quitest time of the year for the firebrigade:rolleyes:

Would he say that if he was still a firefighter?

cashman 19-07-2013 19:29

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Originally Posted by maxthecollie (Post 1067482)
Would he say that if he was still a firefighter?

I really wonder if he would say that if P.B. wasn't saying he will fight to retain it?/ These people are that sodding childish, They aint fit to represent a bunch of bananas.:rolleyes:

Retlaw 19-07-2013 19:52

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1067484)
I really wonder if he would say that if P.B. wasn't saying he will fight to retain it?/ These people are that sodding childish, They aint fit to represent a bunch of bananas.:rolleyes:

Which leads to an old joke about councillors & politicians.
Comparing them to banana's going into storage.
They go in Green, turn Yellow, and come out bent.

Restless 19-07-2013 20:08

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Me and my mate pulled into aldi carpark earlier. 'Oh whats going on I asked.' He parked the car and it seemed like nothing was going on at the aldi. Customers were coming and going as usual. Guy jumps out of a fire engine and enters aldi. The fire engine pulls away....

accyman 19-07-2013 20:50

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Originally Posted by maxthecollie (Post 1067482)
Would he say that if he was still a firefighter?


i can guarentee you if he wasnt in power and it was tory council he would have serious concerns about safety of people in hyndburn

thats just how politics works you have to want or say teh opposite of whatever the opposition does

we already have a downgraded servive afte rit moved to hyndburn road,the shutting down of oswaldtwistle firestation and im not sure whats going on with great harwood firestation or if its still open or not

by the end of the next 10 years there will be a bucket of water perched on a rollerskate with fire engine written on it at this rate :rolleyes:

accyman 19-07-2013 20:54

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still plenty of money for enviromental projects though so the windmills can fan teh flames of grass fires but no sod left to put them out

amazing how tehres alays money for pointless projects yet essential services get cut

Guinness 19-07-2013 21:16

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Bucking the trend here, and stressing I ain't got any evidence or figures.

IF there are fewer callouts as suggested in the piece

and, most of us are more fire safety aware than our parents

and, only 20% of us are smokers (which I believe used to be the greatest cause of house fires)

and, there are very few chip pans knocking around nowadays.

I'm not decrying the bravery or dedication of the fire service..but, since cuts in services are inevitable....

Do we really need as many firemen and engines as we once did? Is this not a sensible saving as opposed to reducing the amount of care given to someone with late stage dementia or turning off the lamps in the town centre making policing more difficult leading to a possible increase in crime?

cashman 19-07-2013 21:20

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There is no sense at all to me reducing services, whilst continuing to fully support foreign aid n the like.:( its the simple difference between right n wrong to many brits, was talking to 2 asian neighbours this morning n they were saying exactly the same.

accyman 19-07-2013 21:26

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Originally Posted by Guinness (Post 1067495)
Bucking the trend here, and stressing I ain't got any evidence or figures.

IF there are fewer callouts as suggested in the piece

and, most of us are more fire safety aware than our parents

and, only 20% of us are smokers (which I believe used to be the greatest cause of house fires)

and, there are very few chip pans knocking around nowadays.

I'm not decrying the bravery or dedication of the fire service..but, since cuts in services are inevitable....

Do we really need as many firemen and engines as we once did? Is this not a sensible saving as opposed to reducing the amount of care given to someone with late stage dementia or turning off the lamps in the town centre making policing more difficult leading to a possible increase in crime?


so whats next then

not as many kids get run over outside school these days so remove speed cameras from near schools

perhaps there are less fires because these firemen get in their firetrucks and fit smoke alarms to houses and also do check on them if requested

im not been snotty here im not a fireman but theres a lot more goes on than just putting out fires and a lot of work goes into fire prevention

if heart attacks drop in occurance have we to expect even less ambulances ?

seems to me teh firebrigade has been hit as an easy targetthat people wont realise how much we need until its gone

Guinness 19-07-2013 21:36

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1067496)
There is no sense at all to me reducing services, whilst continuing to fully support foreign aid n the like.:( its the simple difference between right n wrong to many brits, was talking to 2 asian neighbours this morning n they were saying exactly the same.

I totally agree, foreign aid was meant to be a share the wealth, Robin Hood type thing, problem is it's now used as a bribe to countries to get them to invest here.

Unfortunately thats capitalism for you...wheels need greasing to make the production line work

cashman 19-07-2013 21:39

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Did India not want too decline aid awhile ago? But we insisted they had it.:rolleyes: Whats all that about.?:(

Guinness 19-07-2013 21:44

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 1067498)
so whats next then

not as many kids get run over outside school these days so remove speed cameras from near schools

perhaps there are less fires because these firemen get in their firetrucks and fit smoke alarms to houses and also do check on them if requested

im not been snotty here im not a fireman but theres a lot more goes on than just putting out fires and a lot of work goes into fire prevention

if heart attacks drop in occurance have we to expect even less ambulances ?

seems to me teh firebrigade has been hit as an easy targetthat people wont realise how much we need until its gone

You got £20 to spend

It costs...

£5 in case of fire
£5 to keep your wife from being raped in her bed
£5 to keep your grandad from wandering the streets naked at 2am
£5 in case you have a heart attack or cancer
£5 to fix the potholes in the road
£5 to educate your kids
£5 to support the unemployed, disabled and infirm
£5 to pay for pensions

Someone has to lose out.

Simplistic maybe..but it ain't that far from the truth thanks to the muppets in Westminster

cashman 19-07-2013 21:49

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Originally Posted by Guinness (Post 1067506)
You got £20 to spend

It costs...

£5 in case of fire
£5 to keep your wife from being raped in her bed
£5 to keep your grandad from wandering the streets naked at 2am
£5 in case you have a heart attack or cancer
£5 to fix the potholes in the road
£5 to educate your kids
£5 to support the unemployed, disabled and infirm
£5 to pay for pensions

Someone has to lose out.

Simplistic maybe..but it ain't that far from the truth thanks to the muppets in Westminster

Play Devils Advocate all yeh want Guinness, But yeh can't get more simplistic than stopping Foreign Aid.

Guinness 19-07-2013 21:51

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1067509)
Play Devils Advocate all yeh want Guinness, But yeh can't get more simplistic than stopping Foreign Aid.

Gah! Busted..can't argue that one :p

accyman 19-07-2013 22:02

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Originally Posted by Guinness (Post 1067506)
You got £20 to spend

It costs...

£5 in case of fire
£5 to keep your wife from being raped in her bed
£5 to keep your grandad from wandering the streets naked at 2am
£5 in case you have a heart attack or cancer
£5 to fix the potholes in the road
£5 to educate your kids
£5 to support the unemployed, disabled and infirm
£5 to pay for pensions

Someone has to lose out.

Simplistic maybe..but it ain't that far from the truth thanks to the muppets in Westminster


send 5 million less to china and we keep the fire engine,stop a few thousand romanians coming into teh country to claim benefits and we keep the fire engine

my point is WE are expected to go without so other countries can go with

yes someone has to loose out but why teh peopel of this countrty all the time ?

(could also stop paying for working peoples prescriptions in scotland,ireland and wales and make them pay liek teh rest of us)

cmonstanley 27-07-2013 09:33

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Originally Posted by Guinness (Post 1067506)
You got £20 to spend

It costs...

£5 in case of fire
£5 to keep your wife from being raped in her bed
£5 to keep your grandad from wandering the streets naked at 2am
£5 in case you have a heart attack or cancer
£5 to fix the potholes in the road
£5 to educate your kids
£5 to support the unemployed, disabled and infirm
£5 to pay for pensions

Someone has to lose out.

Simplistic maybe..but it ain't that far from the truth thanks to the muppets in Westminster

no borrow £25.00 to pay outsource company when it would have took £5.00 for in house to do it;) theres a fiddle to statistics happening:)

cashman 27-07-2013 10:02

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1068624)
no borrow £25.00 to pay outsource company when it would have took £5.00 for in house to do it;) theres a fiddle to statistics happening:)

The biggest fiddle on here, is you pretending yer intelligent.:D

jaysay 27-07-2013 10:13

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Originally Posted by Restless (Post 1067487)
Me and my mate pulled into aldi carpark earlier. 'Oh whats going on I asked.' He parked the car and it seemed like nothing was going on at the aldi. Customers were coming and going as usual. Guy jumps out of a fire engine and enters aldi. The fire engine pulls away....

Come on Restless the lads have to do their shopping sometime:rolleyes:

jaysay 27-07-2013 10:17

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1068626)
The biggest fiddle on here, is you pretending yer intelligent.:D

That's a bit harsh cashy, he is a jock when all's said and done:D

cmonstanley 27-07-2013 11:54

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but does it make sense:eek: this is the way things are;) ohh and Osbornes boot boys are in action Fracking Demo: Police Arrest 16 Protesters - PoliticsUK

GEaston 28-07-2013 20:32

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Can't believe I found a point that Guiness made that I agree with. The problem is here for all to see UK National Debt Clock - No-nonsense Guide to Britain's Debt Crisis

The choices are never going to be pretty, and no 2 people will agree on what to cut. But cut we must. We got into this sorry state because of 12 years of a Labour government. They won't be the ones to get us out. Choice, whether you like it or not, is limited. Lucky to have any fire engines because if the country was a company it would be in administration and we'd have no services whatsoever.

The only time the UK finances have been this bad was end of WW2 but back then there was a cause that everyone could rally around and not just general squandering.

walkinman221 28-07-2013 21:25

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What about stopping William hauge and his cronies spending shed loads of money on bottles of wine for the commons **** ups , pictured the other week picking £400 bottles for the wine cellars , but remember were in this together:rolleyes::rolleyes:

cashman 28-07-2013 21:27

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But thats not general squandering is it?:rolleyes:

walkinman221 28-07-2013 21:39

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Suppose not cashy, it will no doubt be for entertaining foreign dignitaries to further British trade abroad. They are obviously men of great taste and need to have such expensive bottles of wine so as not to offend their sensitive and cultured palates whilst also furthering British trade abroad did i mention that already?:rolleyes::D I mean whats that compared to the odd fire engine or two.

Less 28-07-2013 21:55

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Originally Posted by walkinman221 (Post 1068881)
Suppose not cashy, it will no doubt be for entertaining foreign dignitaries to further British trade abroad. They are obviously men of great taste and need to have such expensive bottles of wine so as not to offend their sensitive and cultured palates whilst also furthering British trade abroad did i mention that already?:rolleyes::D I mean whats that compared to the odd fire engine or two.

WEeelllll, Yes, of course keeping trade going by giving foreign investors the odd glass of wine is more important than a fire engine.

We could however have the best of both worlds, only invite people that would actually peace on you if you were on fire!
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/i...tb6fJeKv_ePdDQ

accyman 28-07-2013 22:13

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1068878)
But thats not general squandering is it?:rolleyes:


The only way a bottle of wine costing £400 would be considered value for money is if it was broken and used to gutt a MP

accyman 28-07-2013 22:15

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when a tory MP orders a £400 bottle of wine does that price incluse teh medical bill for removing it from his or her arse.Not saying they are a bunch of perverts or owt but they are quite renowned for tehir quirky little sex games

GEaston 29-07-2013 06:09

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Doesnt amount to a hill of beans though. We are talking about trillions here. Your choices in our system are:

1) Vote for a party
2) Create a party if you think you can do better.

jaysay 29-07-2013 07:53

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Originally Posted by walkinman221 (Post 1068876)
What about stopping William hauge and his cronies spending shed loads of money on bottles of wine for the commons **** ups , pictured the other week picking £400 bottles for the wine cellars , but remember were in this together:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Oh come on Dave the cellar hadn't been restocked since Blair and Brown left:rolleyes:

jaysay 29-07-2013 07:57

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 1068886)
when a tory MP orders a £400 bottle of wine does that price incluse teh medical bill for removing it from his or her arse.Not saying they are a bunch of perverts or owt but they are quite renowned for tehir quirky little sex games

And you think Labour MPs are any different, always remember that the wealthiest MP sits on the Labour benches in the house of commons, one Sean Woodward:rolleyes:

cmonstanley 29-07-2013 12:45

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at least they kept employment laws not like these charlatans ..they don't even try and hide their connections to the fracking industry;) just wait till your water turns a funny colour:p

Less 29-07-2013 13:17

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1068968)
just wait till your water turns a funny colour:p


Mine did, my Doctor said it was brought on by not drinking enough liquids during the heat wave, so I asked if I could have a prescription for a months worth of John Smiths.
;)

walkinman221 29-07-2013 16:24

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1068925)
Oh come on Dave the cellar hadn't been restocked since Blair and Brown left:rolleyes:

What with the amount that lot get trough,( sorry freudian slip) through (all parties) the cellars must have been restocked once or twice at least:rolleyes::D

accyman 29-07-2013 20:53

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1068926)
And you think Labour MPs are any different, always remember that the wealthiest MP sits on the Labour benches in the house of commons, one Sean Woodward:rolleyes:


yeah but labour aint the ones in power are they

party in power always gets the worst press although if cameron ,milliband or a few other MP's were found dead with an orange in their gob with their pants around their ankles i wouldnt exactly call that bad press but more of a good result ;)


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