Ramadan Mubarak
 

Saw something on twitter the other day regarding mosques being bombed in the midlands. The guy said wasn't it strange that this wasn't headlined as a terrorist attack.

Suspected bomb found near Wolverhampton mosque | UK news | guardian.co.uk

After all if a muslim had bombed a church, it would have been headlined terrorism, centre page spreads of victims, relatives and google earth views. Yet it's pretty much a buried story, amongst the queen wanting a holiday so kate better drop soon and the possibility of hosepipe bans.

Couple of guys who work with me are involved in the following..

Special foodbank set up in Hyndburn during Ramadhan (From Lancashire Telegraph)

Devout muslims...Ramadan knackered them big style last year..this year it's longer, hotter and although its early days yet, they still get into work.

Crazy, stupid, add your own descriptions..but I kinda envy them their faith.

Whatever..it's a good gesture to the local community at large, and in my opinion deserves a mention.

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Yes, I saw it on the news and as a white male over sixty middle class, (middle class? Well I must be I'm not working, so I can't be working class), that preys upon this site, putting forward my blinkered views, may I just say that is as abhorrent to me as the London bombings.

Why it doesn't deserve front page news is beyond me.
:(

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just a quick question - when they say explosive device found near a mosque do they mean right outside it or in a church a few yards down the road ?

never really specific for all we know teh mosque may not have been the target the bomb could have been near a chippy that someone is upset about its lumpy gravy for example

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Have to say, a bomb placed in most towns, would no doubt be near a mosque.:D

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Whenever folks start to feel warm and fuzzy towards Islam, stuff like this hits the news:

Norwegian raped in Dubai gets jail sentence - World - CBC News

It's a pointed reminder that the greatest threat to our way of life, our belief in free speech, freedom of religion, a belief that women are actually human beings wothy of holding drivers licences and public office, etc, etc, is the religion of peace, love, and public beheadings. If only muslims would stop shoving their religion in our faces and, instead, shove it where the sun don't shine. I for one aint holding my breath. I'm not opposed to freedom of religion; it's that I just don't care what folks believe as long I am free to state my opinion one way or another without being labelled a blasphemer, a racist, or an Islamaphobe.

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Not all Muslim countries don't allow women to drive, or hold Public Office.

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Well after Thatcher i reckon we should.:eek:

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Cashy, we aren't all like her.
Anyway, I think she was a fella in drag........someone once told me that she had cojones!

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It might surprize you to learn that I am not unaware of that ... just think of it as a metaphor, loosely based on fact, employed for rhetorical purposes. Perhaps I should have mentioned Saudi Arabia on the driving thingy ... and also pointed out that Afghanistan sent a grand total of 0 female athletes to the Olympics ... though I do hear that several women were employed as punching bags by the Afghani boxing team:rolleyes: And I don't expect Islamic states to be as tolerant as us folks in Ontario, where we accept, most of us without thinking about it, a female, openly gay Premier. By the way, she is despised by many because she is a Liberal ... our tolerance does have limits.;)

I do think though, that muslim leaders, and muslims in general, have to make a greater effort to distance themselves from the Islamic nutbars. And they have to realize that most of the rest of us really don't give a flying you-know-what about their religion. We don't care. We don't want to hear about it day after day. Religion should be a private thing.

By the way, the yanks could tone down their Jeeeezuusss saves crap. But that's a whole 'nother topic.:D

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Eric, anyone can pay lip service to an ideology...and many do.....what sets apart those who really mean what they say, is that they do something concrete about the problem.

They should hand over to the authorities, the men from their community who abuse young and vulnerable girls, branding them and selling their bodies to other men in their community....they should shop those radical men who go abroad to Pakistan to learn how to build bombs, but think it is just fine to draw benefits in our country.

It is no good at all to fast over the period of Ramadan, to give food and money to the poor, to do good deeds, and pretend that this makes you devout, if all the while you are turning a blind eye to the evil in the midst of your community.
Actions are understood without a single word being uttered.
Actions are what count!

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well some ilsam folk want and have managed to get sharia law merged into our legal system

notice they dont push for teh execution of pedophiles though which is sharia laws way of dealing with them

not as though islam has a problem with pedos and grooming is it ?

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The thing is Accyman, the men would not be to blame.....it would be the girls who were stoned...executed for leading good muslim men stray.

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Wow!, a few local guys do something to help the community and the thread is turning dark.:confused:

Most of these guys are just ordinary people who have about as much chance of influencing their leaders as we have of influencing Graham Jones or the election of the next pope

Any chance it could be seen for the simple gesture that it is as opposed to the first step in global domination.

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I don't really think the thread is turning dark at all.
While these people who are giving of their charity, (and it is to be recognised)....communities do need to act on those in their midst who bring disrepute to all muslims.
Doing something that your religion requires of you is not really charity...charity is doing something which may go against your religion....swimming against the tide.

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guinness you mention two things in your starting post ,bombs near mosques and a bit of charity work so no one has turned the thread dark they are merely commenting on the fist topic of choice

why no one has mentioned much about a liitle bit of charity work for muslims is probbably because no one gives a stuff about ramadamadingdong

infact your 1st post seems to be more concerned as to why putting a bomb near a mosque isnt called terrorism yet putting one near a church is

maybe you coulda gotten 2 threads out of it with two questions and two totally different conversations

just sayin like lol

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:rolleyes:I can accept your point, bud. And I don't doubt that millions of muslims world wide are decent folks. But the problem is ... and it explodes:rolleyes: over our 52 inch flat screens every day, is that Islam is a threat to all we have struggled for ... freedom of speech ... equality ... tolerance ... etc., etc. ,etc.

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Could be that is exactly what is happening here Margaret, after all how many times is it quoted that muslims want to kill all who do not follow the one religion and yet here we have them helping less fortunate locals regardless of religion or lack of.

Personally I just see this as a nice gesture that should be applauded for what it is. :)

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Gestures are only gestures...and these are required of them by their religion......I would be much more impressed by actions I have stated in my previous posts.......this does not demean what these muslims have done...nor does it make me islamophobic, racist or any other label that some folk would like to slap on those who see things from a different perspective, often with the desire of stifling healthy debate.

I have worked with all colours and creeds.......I respect those who have shown that they deserve my respect, by their actions which reflect my own values. I despise those who pretend to respect me and this country, but then go all out to kill those who are not of their faith.(7/7 and 9/11 spring to mind)

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I'm totally surprised that two Ukranians should come to England to plant bombs near mosques and murder a muslim.

What possible motive could they have?

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Well possibly Russia of which some Ukrainians are still fond of, has had no end of trouble with Islamic Rebels from Chechnia n the like?

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You mention respect Margaret, shouldn't we respect the fact that some a trying?
They may be ****ing into the wind of the majority, but it's a start, perhaps encouragement rather than scepticism could get others to join them?
Who knows? If we give them a chance, after all about three generations have been here since they were offered a land of milk and honey, a big lie, most HAVE worked to improve, we see industrious Asians and can't be arsed whites.
Which are worse for the economy?

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To be honest, I think thay have had lots of chances. And I have tried over many years to avoid being a cynic, but situations and life has conspired against me so that now I consider myself a realist
Of course the lazy can't be bothered whites are worse for ther economy, but in some situations the deck has been stacked against the white folk...which is just plain wrong, causes serious resentment and problems.

Community cohesion is much trumpeted, but it is just another PC soundbite that means very very little in the grand scheme of things.

I sure am glad that Mr Easton isn't about or he would be slating me for being negative, white and over 60.

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No need for me to argue with you. You summed yourself up well although a realist you are not.

And yes a sensible point about a charitable act will likely turn to a dark thread just as night follows day.

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Any thread you contribute too, turns dark pretty quickly.:rolleyes::D

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How would you know?
You know very little about me....you just assume you know me.

I like charitable acts...but those that are done in the true spirit of charity......without the need to trumpet them all over the place...or the need to have to have done something good, because your religion requires it of you.
I like the charity that continues to give when giving is hard...the widows mite springs to mind.
Those who have much can give much and it doesn't deserve the name charity....those who have very little, but still give...now those are the heroes, even better when they tell no-one that they do it.

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Oh Cashy, you are going to be the next one that he accuses of libelling him and he will no doubt be issuing instructions to his lawyers to initiate legal proceedings against you But you must be patient, I am still waiting to hear from his legal team:rolleyes: