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cmonstanley 29-07-2013 10:51
should this law be repealed ?
 
as the propaganda spews out about the big bad nhs ,the government is destroying employment laws by the back door.im telling you the national minimum wage is next. now if you are unfairly sacked or treated unfairly in employment you will have to pay an upfront fee BBC News - Fees for employment tribunals begin . im asking this question because there is a pressure group being set up to pressurise the labour leadership to repeal this law if they win the next general election.

cashman 29-07-2013 11:01
Re: should this law be repealed ?
 
The pressure should be applied on the barstewards that are introducing it, not wait fer next election, Its a law to please bad bosses. simple as.

cmonstanley 29-07-2013 11:02
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Sports Direct: 90% of staff on zero-hour contracts and these are the jobs the tories say they are creating zero hour contracts:confused:

xavtia 29-07-2013 16:41
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Shouldn't have been introduced in the first place, reeks of pleb know thy place.

Lidl's are looking for a housekeeper 10 hours a week.

Neil 29-07-2013 17:45
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I would expect the union to pay these fees after all we join unions to get support when we need it. I also expect that people will try and claim back the costs when they win at tribunal.

I don't think I agree with the charges and would like to know why they have introduced them.

cashman 29-07-2013 18:05
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Problem wi that Neil,is many firms these days are non-union, The cow who recently croaked made sure of that.:( Having been to a tribunal recently i doubt very much if costs are part of any settlement.

Guinness 29-07-2013 19:38
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I think we've bumped heads on this one before Cashy. I'm obviously in a minority but I agree with this change.

Small employers who dismiss dollopers are then threatened with tribunal, even though there is no doubt that the employer will win, it's usually cheaper to pay them off with a nominal sum than to spend man hours preparing documentation, sending and resending spurious information requested by the coffin chasers representing, then adding the travel and associated hours costs of actually attending the tribunal.

I have no doubt that there are some real cruddy employers out there, but the tribunal law as it stood was open to abuse, and the rise in figures for claims over the last ten years prove it.

accyman 29-07-2013 20:47
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as far as im concerned a zero hour contract is just a different way of saying unemployed but i bet folk on zero hours per week dont appear on unemployment figures.

cashman 29-07-2013 20:55
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Originally Posted by Guinness (Post 1069021)
I think we've bumped heads on this one before Cashy. I'm obviously in a minority but I agree with this change.

Small employers who dismiss dollopers are then threatened with tribunal, even though there is no doubt that the employer will win, it's usually cheaper to pay them off with a nominal sum than to spend man hours preparing documentation, sending and resending spurious information requested by the coffin chasers representing, then adding the travel and associated hours costs of actually attending the tribunal.

I have no doubt that there are some real cruddy employers out there, but the tribunal law as it stood was open to abuse, and the rise in figures for claims over the last ten years prove it.
As far as i'm concerned that argument holds no water, It was altered by the dead cow, from 6 months to 12 months n then 2 years fer n employer to dismiss a worker with no redress, if n employer aint sussed a dolloper out in 2 years then they are stupid in my book.

cmonstanley 29-07-2013 22:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Guinness (Post 1069021)
I think we've bumped heads on this one before Cashy. I'm obviously in a minority but I agree with this change.

Small employers who dismiss dollopers are then threatened with tribunal, even though there is no doubt that the employer will win, it's usually cheaper to pay them off with a nominal sum than to spend man hours preparing documentation, sending and resending spurious information requested by the coffin chasers representing, then adding the travel and associated hours costs of actually attending the tribunal.

I have no doubt that there are some real cruddy employers out there, but the tribunal law as it stood was open to abuse, and the rise in figures for claims over the last ten years prove it.
I actually disagree there has only been a slight rise due to population rise vince cable said there was a 44% rise but this is the coalition massaging the figures again to suit their agenda.if an employer employs a walloper they have a year to get rid as nobody has any employment rights till after 2 years . Factcheck: Have employment tribunal cases increased 44 per cent in two years? | Full Fact

cmonstanley 29-07-2013 22:15
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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 1069032)
as far as im concerned a zero hour contract is just a different way of saying unemployed but i bet folk on zero hours per week dont appear on unemployment figures.
nearly 70% of jobs in the jobcentre have zero hours:confused:

accyman 30-07-2013 00:11
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so if your on working tax credits how do you make ends meet because to qualify for working tax credit you have to work 16 hours per week.Any less and you loose thatmoney as well

im not sorry but if you think zero hour contracts are acceptable your no better than teh scum running this country

harsh ?

not as harsh as finding out you have no work the next week and no means to feed yourself , put money in teh gas and electricity meters and pay the rent

cmonstanley 30-07-2013 09:53
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they also drain resources in the revenue and customs chasing and changing every 5 days. so work is increased while staffing levels go down;)

accyman 30-07-2013 14:04
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Its a scam to con people out of any benefits or help they get and to fudge unemployment figures

first they attack the vulnerable and disabled in society and now they are going after people who work but need a little help

Less 30-07-2013 14:14
should this law be repealed ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by accyman (Post 1069109)
Its a scam to con people out of any benefits or help they get and to fudge unemployment figures

first they attack the vulnerable and disabled in society and now they are going after people who work but need a little help
Well, if they are doing an honest days work surely that is reward in itself?

They should be grateful that, with work being so scarce, they have been chosen to have their time filled without the frustration the idle ne'er do wells claiming the dole and doing ****** all to improve their lot have to put up with.

Anyone that believes any of the above is practical for a 'we're all in it together society, deserves to choke on their own balls!'


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