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jaysay 09-08-2013 17:37

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Signs warn illegal immigrants 'Go home or face arrest' | London - ITV News&

I can't believe that some people are complaining about these signs, they are just telling people who are in this country illegally that if they are caught they will be arrested and prosecuted, so it would be better if the sod of home, what do you think

cashman 09-08-2013 18:06

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Have just watched this on the news, the van was neither racist nor offensive, Yet Labour objected to it, One reason why i will never bother wi em again, after a lifetimes support.:mad:

jaysay 09-08-2013 18:11

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1070606)
Have just watched this on the news, the van was neither racist nor offensive, Yet Labour objected to it, One reason why i will never bother wi em again, after a lifetimes support.:mad:

Maybe our MP will pop on and explain to his flock why his party are against this, after all wasn't it Tony and Gordon who opened the flood gates and lets so many in, in the first place. I wouldn't be holding my breath even if I could:rolleyes:

Less 09-08-2013 18:33

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1070599)
Signs warn illegal immigrants 'Go home or face arrest' | London - ITV News&

I can't believe that some people are complaining about these signs, they are just telling people who are in this country illegally that if they are caught they will be arrested and prosecuted, so it would be better if the sod of home, what do you think

I find the signs to be pathetic, surely it shows how out of control illegal immigration is?
When we have to ask illegals to go home of their own accord? Just because if we catch them, it will cost us a fortune when we try to deport them and they get to live here FOC whilst their appeal goes through! It seems to be one of the only remaining forms of legal aid still allowed. Oh hang on, child murderers and abusers, they also get looked after, just try being born here, and behaving yourself, (no matter what colour you are), you will be crapped on.



:mad:

Less 09-08-2013 18:47

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1070608)
Maybe our MP will pop on and explain to his flock why his party are against this, after all wasn't it Tony and Gordon who opened the flood gates and lets so many in, in the first place. I wouldn't be holding my breath even if I could:rolleyes:

Nope within my lifetime good old Enoch, remember him a member of that party you left.

He encouraged the beginning of immigration promising pavements of gold and a warm welcome, then when he realised that his immigrants were taking jobs from indigent workers he did his classic back pedal and announced the river of blood thing.
Well, fortunately we haven't had the river of blood but we didn't need immigrants taking low paid jobs at even lower rates, thanks Enoch, you were too clever by half!

Margaret Pilkington 09-08-2013 19:17

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Surely, most of these illedgal immigrants won't be able to read it, and telling them they will be arrested is just a huge joke(and if they could read it they would be laughing at such a pathetic ruse to try and get them to go home)...how many people do you think have been arrested and deported........I don't know the number, but I would hazard a guess that it isn't very many.
For goodness sake our border controls were so slack that we don't actually know how many of them there are, who they are or where they are.
If it wasn't so serious it would be a huge joke.

cashman 09-08-2013 19:24

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Whilst that is perfectly true Margaret, Fact is Pathetic or not it is certainly not racist or offensive, like these clowns are trying to make out.:mad:

Margaret Pilkington 10-08-2013 06:38

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No it isn't racist, it is just blooming useless, a lot like those people who sit in the Palace of Westminster and pretend to know what is good for us.(like wind farms, the EU and foreign aid)

accyman 10-08-2013 08:25

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its not the go home one the government is worried about its teh others they have been driving around exposing george osbourns expenses but would be badpress if they targeted them for that so have chosen this one as it looks like government is just trying to be fair

we it dosnt but its probbably what they think

cmonstanley 10-08-2013 08:39

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they would be better employing people to stop them coming in in the first place. There Is at least 7000 less border staff than there was when the tories come in.it would be interesting who is collecting the £22,000 grand a week these posters cost. which is really scary, is the snatch squads looking for illegals at the train stations in London . I heard there is at least 100 people going to sue as they were British citizens and were picked because of their colour:confused:

cmonstanley 10-08-2013 08:41

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these signs are useless anyway . they will really encourage people to hand themselves in lol:D

cashman 10-08-2013 08:44

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1070694)
these signs are useless anyway . they will really encourage people to hand themselves in lol:D

We all know the signs are useless, But the ones you bang on about opened the floodgates, care to say anything about that?:rolleyes:

accyman 10-08-2013 09:20

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1070696)
We all know the signs are useless, But the ones you bang on about opened the floodgates, care to say anything about that?:rolleyes:


and milliband would open them further hes all for it and upon strict instruction so are his underlings

well they are if they want a nice cushy job

cashman 10-08-2013 09:30

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 1070706)
and milliband would open them further hes all for it and upon strict instruction so are his underlings

well they are if they want a nice cushy job

Funny how Cmon always sods off n logs out when yeh ask him questions like this.?:D

Less 10-08-2013 09:36

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Perhaps the signs could be improved?

If you are an illegal immigrant, we will send you home first class air fare and enough shekels to last you for three years if you grass on four of your mates.
Get them beggars to work for us, then chuck them on a tramp steamer telling them that the money was confiscated because they earned it without a work visa!

jaysay 10-08-2013 13:27

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 1070612)
I find the signs to be pathetic, surely it shows how out of control illegal immigration is?
When we have to ask illegals to go home of their own accord? Just because if we catch them, it will cost us a fortune when we try to deport them and they get to live here FOC whilst their appeal goes through! It seems to be one of the only remaining forms of legal aid still allowed. Oh hang on, child murderers and abusers, they also get looked after, just try being born here, and behaving yourself, (no matter what colour you are), you will be crapped on.



:mad:

My point was that people were actually against the signs because we shouldn't be asking people to sod of home when they have no right to be here, which to me is worse than the signs themselves :mad:

jaysay 10-08-2013 13:29

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1070693)
they would be better employing people to stop them coming in in the first place. There Is at least 7000 less border staff than there was when the tories come in.it would be interesting who is collecting the £22,000 grand a week these posters cost. which is really scary, is the snatch squads looking for illegals at the train stations in London . I heard there is at least 100 people going to sue as they were British citizens and were picked because of their colour:confused:

Who opened the flood gates in the first place Jock Strap;)

Less 10-08-2013 14:09

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1070730)
Who opened the flood gates in the first place Jock Strap;)

The Government in charge during WW2?
Didn't they offer British citizenship in exchange for the oppressed members of the Empire taking part and dying against the Nazis?

Are you getting upset?
Jock strap?
What a pathetic insult.

cashman 10-08-2013 14:15

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 1070738)
The Government in charge during WW2?
Didn't they offer British citizenship in exchange for the oppressed members of the Empire taking part and dying against the Nazis?.

Well letting the dead in wouldn't be much hardship?:D:D

accyman 10-08-2013 14:19

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Not one damn leader in teh last 20 years had stood up to europe infact each one in turn has sold us further down teh river and even this lot insist on sending millions in aid abroad while our own go without

i think we actually send money to other countries to help maintain their road systems

westendlass 11-08-2013 10:18

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1070672)
No it isn't racist, it is just blooming useless, a lot like those people who sit in the Palace of Westminster and pretend to know what is good for us.(like wind farms, the EU and foreign aid)

And energy saving bloody lightbulbs!!:mad:

cmonstanley 11-08-2013 12:08

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well it just reminds me of my history lessons . who is next the poor;)

cashman 11-08-2013 12:17

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1070696)
We all know the signs are useless, But the ones you bang on about opened the floodgates, care to say anything about that?:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1070846)
well it just reminds me of my history lessons . who is next the poor;)

Still no comment, hardly a shock.:rolleyes:

cmonstanley 11-08-2013 12:25

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if you know anything about the way the country runs, you would know these decisions were made decades ago as the eton politician course includes the Adam smith ideology of capitalism ie increasing populations .since the people In the Uk were on the decline the only way to achieve this was immigration. its not only one way as thousands of Britons have been leaving Britain for years.;)

cashman 11-08-2013 12:45

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If you knew anything, i would be honestly gobsmacked!:D

Margaret Pilkington 11-08-2013 13:16

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1070849)
if you know anything about the way the country runs, you would know these decisions were made decades ago as the eton politician course includes the Adam smith ideology of capitalism ie increasing populations .since the people In the Uk were on the decline the only way to achieve this was immigration. its not only one way as thousands of Britons have been leaving Britain for years.;)

Other countries manage immigration...they don't just leave the key under the mat for anyone to come in...they encourage those with the desired skills that will boost markets to come and make their home here....they do not tell those whose only aim is to draw benefits to come and sup from the pot into which they have paid nothing...and intend to pay nothing......it is the most senseless way to improve birthrates, or increase population...to have those migrants who do not and will not learn the language.
I'm not being racist, I am just laying in front of you facts.

cmonstanley 11-08-2013 14:04

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who told you that the right wing press your having a laugh. usa france Germany so called affluent countries Sweden ,Norway they all have the same or more rate of immigration as the uk we have the highest migration:D British Immigration data, statistics, facts and figures its a myth most immigrants I know work as nurses doctors engineers in the fields factories. labour brought in the delay that you have had to work before you get a national insurance number unscrupulous employers set up agencies .so you have to blame big business .you know the ones who have an unfair advantage over the small law abiding business who pay all their taxes. the quicker this country gets to the truth the better.

Margaret Pilkington 11-08-2013 14:11

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if your last post was punctuated, then maybe it might make sense.
I'm not having a laugh at all. You try getting into Australia, Canada, New Zealand...you do not stand a chance unless you have a skill that they require. That is how managed immigration works in the favour of the country being migrated to.
As for the facts and figures of migration(what a joke that is)...the government do not know who is here because they do not count them in and count them out.

jaysay 12-08-2013 08:03

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1070846)
well it just reminds me of my history lessons . who is next the poor;)

No but Scotsmen could be a good idea;)

jaysay 12-08-2013 08:05

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1070864)
who told you that the right wing press your having a laugh. usa france Germany so called affluent countries Sweden ,Norway they all have the same or more rate of immigration as the uk we have the highest migration:D British Immigration data, statistics, facts and figures its a myth most immigrants I know work as nurses doctors engineers in the fields factories. labour brought in the delay that you have had to work before you get a national insurance number unscrupulous employers set up agencies .so you have to blame big business .you know the ones who have an unfair advantage over the small law abiding business who pay all their taxes. the quicker this country gets to the truth the better.

you actually forget that this mass influx was started long before the present government was in power, pray tell us who opened the doors in the first place, always remembering once open they are very hard to close:rolleyes:

Less 12-08-2013 08:39

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1070992)
you actually forget that this mass influx was started long before the present government was in power, pray tell us who opened the doors in the first place, always remembering once open they are very hard to close:rolleyes:


Strange, you must have missed my post:-


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Originally Posted by Less (Post 1070738)
The Government in charge during WW2?
Didn't they offer British citizenship in exchange for the oppressed members of the Empire taking part and dying against the Nazis?

That I believe was a coalition Government for the duration of the hostilities.

The Countries back was to the wall and we we're skint, the only thing we had to offer was British Citizenship, they just didn't realise how many would take up this chance, just about every Government post-war has mishandled it since then.
:o

jaysay 12-08-2013 17:06

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 1070997)
Strange, you must have missed my post:-




That I believe was a coalition Government for the duration of the hostilities.

The Countries back was to the wall and we we're skint, the only thing we had to offer was British Citizenship, they just didn't realise how many would take up this chance, just about every Government post-war has mishandled it since then.
:o

Ya and nobody has had the bottle to say enough is enough:mad:

DAV007 19-08-2013 21:40

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I didn't understand the approach to write the advert in English?
A proportion of illegal immigrants cannot read English and are only able to speak a basic broken English.

Wynonie Harris 19-08-2013 21:49

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Originally Posted by DAV007 (Post 1072105)
I didn't understand the approach to write the advert in English?
A proportion of illegal immigrants cannot read English and are only able to speak a basic broken English.

Irrelevant, Davo. A large proportion of potential Tory voters can read English! ;)

cmonstanley 19-08-2013 22:05

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'The Labour Party of 1945 was pretty Left-wing. But it was patriotic, Christian and genuinely working-class. It hated cheats and it loathed crime. Several members of the Labour Cabinet of 1948 voted to keep the death penalty. It did not support immigration. It set up the NHS to care for hard-working people whose illnesses were in many cases caused by that hard work. It was (rightly) deeply suspicious of the first steps towards creating what is now the EU. It supported grammar schools, seeing that they gave the children of the poor a ladder out of that poverty. It favoured strong national defences.

DAV007 19-08-2013 22:13

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Wynonie,
I think we are making the same point or at least coming to the same conclusion.
The adverts in a practical sense where pointless.
In a political sense, they where effective.

Wynonie Harris 19-08-2013 22:22

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Originally Posted by DAV007 (Post 1072116)
Wynonie,
I think we are making the same point or at least coming to the same conclusion.
The adverts in a practical sense where pointless.
In a political sense, they where effective.

You might be right, that remains to be seen at the next election. Personally, I would think that most people saw right through them!

jaysay 20-08-2013 17:46

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 1072120)
You might be right, that remains to be seen at the next election. Personally, I would think that most people saw right through them!

Doubt if it will make any difference seeing that 0nly 2 out of 10 Labour voters think Mr. Ed. is the right person to leads Labour into the next election, UKIP could well be second in the poll at that rate;)

cashman 20-08-2013 18:30

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1072221)
Doubt if it will make any difference seeing that 0nly 2 out of 10 Labour voters think Mr. Ed. is the right person to leads Labour into the next election, UKIP could well be second in the poll at that rate;)

Are you one of them 2?:D

DAV007 20-08-2013 20:22

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Ed is a bad leader a very bad leader, if Labour had anyone else (well not anyone, certainly not ed balls or harriet Harman) they would be in a stronger position going into the 2015 election.

jaysay 21-08-2013 17:28

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Originally Posted by DAV007 (Post 1072253)
Ed is a bad leader a very bad leader, if Labour had anyone else (well not anyone, certainly not ed balls or harriet Harman) they would be in a stronger position going into the 2015 election.

They're the only three anybody know:D

cmonstanley 21-08-2013 20:15

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Luciana berger would win the election;)

cmonstanley 21-08-2013 20:19

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1072221)
Doubt if it will make any difference seeing that 0nly 2 out of 10 Labour voters think Mr. Ed. is the right person to leads Labour into the next election, UKIP could well be second in the poll at that rate;)

next youll be saying call centres are run from prisons lol ohh wait a minute Prisoners Cold Call From Jail Call Centres ;):D

Margaret Pilkington 21-08-2013 21:20

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1072112)
'The Labour Party of 1945 was pretty Left-wing. But it was patriotic, Christian and genuinely working-class. It hated cheats and it loathed crime. Several members of the Labour Cabinet of 1948 voted to keep the death penalty. It did not support immigration. It set up the NHS to care for hard-working people whose illnesses were in many cases caused by that hard work. It was (rightly) deeply suspicious of the first steps towards creating what is now the EU. It supported grammar schools, seeing that they gave the children of the poor a ladder out of that poverty. It favoured strong national defences.

I do not believe for one moment that you have formulated this post...for a kick off, it is punctuated, makes sense and is readable.......so C'mon...where did you cut and paste it from?(The Daily Mail is my guess)....And how come it isn't just another one of your posts with just a link?

Are these your ideologies...you give us no clue from this post.

umpire 22-08-2013 14:25

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I've seen a simple solution to this problem.
During foot and mouth and mad cow, government decreed that all cattle should be computer tagged and traceable. Therefore all the border agency needs to do is give each illegal imigrant a cow to look after, trace the cow et voila!!

Less 22-08-2013 15:44

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Originally Posted by umpire (Post 1072456)
I've seen a simple solution to this problem.
During foot and mouth and mad cow, government decreed that all cattle should be computer tagged and traceable. Therefore all the border agency needs to do is give each illegal imigrant a cow to look after, trace the cow et voila!!

Nice Idea, except, is this fair on the cow?

jaysay 22-08-2013 17:16

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 1072466)
Nice Idea, except, is this fair on the cow?

Maybe they should change it to a bull:rolleyes:

Barrie Yates 22-08-2013 21:46

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1072112)
'The Labour Party of 1945 was pretty Left-wing. But it was patriotic, Christian and genuinely working-class. It hated cheats and it loathed crime. Several members of the Labour Cabinet of 1948 voted to keep the death penalty. It did not support immigration. It set up the NHS to care for hard-working people whose illnesses were in many cases caused by that hard work. It was (rightly) deeply suspicious of the first steps towards creating what is now the EU. It supported grammar schools, seeing that they gave the children of the poor a ladder out of that poverty. It favoured strong national defences.

The usual crap - have you never heard of the MV Empire Windrush and her passengers arriving in UK in 1948:rolleyes:

cmonstanley 22-08-2013 22:44

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it was peter hitchen actually;)

Margaret Pilkington 23-08-2013 06:51

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I thought as much...it sounded like him...it certainly didn't have your stamp on it!

Margaret Pilkington 23-08-2013 09:58

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Barrie, the Windrush came from the carribean(I'm sure you know that) and brought immigrants who were(at that time needed) to fill job vacancies caused by the loss of young men in the war......these people integrated quite well......many of them were Christians and had little or no difficulty with religious/cultural issues. I'm sure that some of them were met with hostility...but many of them weren't because they did jobs where they were valued....and they were seen as being necessary, rather than taking jobs that the indigent population needed.

The scenario today with immigrants is very different....it was something that was wilfully done to change the fabric of life in Britain.......it didn't make us multicultural(but it did make many Brits feel resentful) because it was done far too fast and without any thought for the consequences.
We have always been a country of 'mixed breeds' but the mixxing was done over centuries rather than decades.

Barrie Yates 23-08-2013 16:12

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1072529)
Barrie, the Windrush came from the carribean(I'm sure you know that) and brought immigrants who were(at that time needed) to fill job vacancies caused by the loss of young men in the war......these people integrated quite well......many of them were Christians and had little or no difficulty with religious/cultural issues. I'm sure that some of them were met with hostility...but many of them weren't because they did jobs where they were valued....and they were seen as being necessary, rather than taking jobs that the indigent population needed.

The scenario today with immigrants is very different....it was something that was wilfully done to change the fabric of life in Britain.......it didn't make us multicultural(but it did make many Brits feel resentful) because it was done far too fast and without any thought for the consequences.
We have always been a country of 'mixed breeds' but the mixxing was done over centuries rather than decades.

I as making the point to our resident moron - I know full well the reason for the West Indian immigrants. If you read his post carefully I am sure you will get my drift. His statement that the '48 Government did not support immigration:)

Margaret Pilkington 23-08-2013 17:13

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Barrie, it wasn't something that he had thought up for himself, it was something he had taken from an article by the journalist Peter Hitchen, though C'mon did fail to attribute it to him...

But it wasn't hard to spot that it wasn't all his own work because it had capital letters, punctuation and made grammatical sense, whereas we all know that C'mon doesn't 'do' punctuation.

And nowhere was there any input from the member who is over the hills and far away, so we don't actually know what he thinks of the scrap of an article he posted.
Taken out of context, these articles mean very little.

jaysay 23-08-2013 17:15

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Originally Posted by Barrie Yates (Post 1072512)
The usual crap - have you never heard of the MV Empire Windrush and her passengers arriving in UK in 1948:rolleyes:

All paid for by Winifred Atwell, the pianist, who stashed them in forty to one house and charged them the earth rent:rolleyes:

Margaret Pilkington 23-08-2013 17:18

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this is the full article.

Labour party elite's secret problem... they can't stand the working class: Peter Hitchens | Mail Online

I'm sorry, I seem to have done a C'mon here. Please forgive me...I will go and do 100 lines.......'I must not emulate the lazy postings of C'mon'

Margaret Pilkington 23-08-2013 18:38

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and with reference to that article, isn't it what many of us have been saying for such a long time...that the major parties hold the electorate in contempt, and yet dyed in the wool Labour/tory supporters still flock to vote for the party which despises them and treats them like lackeys.
Isn't this why democracy(if ever there was such a thing) is treated with suspicion, isn't it why the levels of voters have fallen at each election...it isn't apathy, but distrust of the political system.

If you feel that your vote means nothing, will change nothing, then why would you give it to a party that values it so lightly? Promises much and delivers nothing...or certainly nothing that was promised to them(EU referendum).

Guinness 23-08-2013 22:34

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1072616)
and with reference to that article, isn't it what many of us have been saying for such a long time...that the major parties hold the electorate in contempt, and yet dyed in the wool Labour/tory supporters still flock to vote for the party which despises them and treats them like lackeys.
Isn't this why democracy(if ever there was such a thing) is treated with suspicion, isn't it why the levels of voters have fallen at each election...it isn't apathy, but distrust of the political system.

If you feel that your vote means nothing, will change nothing, then why would you give it to a party that values it so lightly? Promises much and delivers nothing...or certainly nothing that was promised to them(EU referendum).

I take your point Margaret, but you really shouldn't use this muppet to evidence your argument. :D

Peter Hitchens found his niche at the Daily Mail.

The archetypical bandwagon jumper, so many things are incorrect or skewed in that piece. The simple fact that C'mon used him as an argument should be clanging alarm bells. It's a typical rabble rousing Daily Mail invective.

As an example, look at his first paragraph 'How long does it take for the penny to drop? It is amazing how slow voters have been to see that the two major parties have been stolen from them, and are now their enemies'

Answer...for most of us the penny dropped a long while before he wrote this piece, hence the drop in people voting for the past 20 years..just where has he been living?

Don't forget this is the guy who said that sex education was responsible for teenage pregnancy and STD's....:rolleyes:

DAV007 23-08-2013 22:49

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Guinness your attacking the author as oppose to the contents.

I wouldn't care less if Bin Laden wrote it, the article still makes a valid point.

Guinness 23-08-2013 23:47

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Originally Posted by DAV007 (Post 1072657)
Guinness your attacking the author as oppose to the contents.

I wouldn't care less if Bin Laden wrote it, the article still makes a valid point.

Yep.. I'm attacking the author and I'm attacking some of his alleged 'facts'....and I'm also attacking his presumptions that we are unaware of current events and stating that many of us have been pointing this out much more eloquently and in a more unbiased form on this forum for the past few years

Margaret Pilkington 24-08-2013 08:12

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Originally Posted by Guinness (Post 1072656)
I take your point Margaret, but you really shouldn't use this muppet to evidence your argument. :D

Peter Hitchens found his niche at the Daily Mail.

The archetypical bandwagon jumper, so many things are incorrect or skewed in that piece. The simple fact that C'mon used him as an argument should be clanging alarm bells. It's a typical rabble rousing Daily Mail invective.

As an example, look at his first paragraph 'How long does it take for the penny to drop? It is amazing how slow voters have been to see that the two major parties have been stolen from them, and are now their enemies'

Answer...for most of us the penny dropped a long while before he wrote this piece, hence the drop in people voting for the past 20 years..just where has he been living?

Don't forget this is the guy who said that sex education was responsible for teenage pregnancy and STD's....:rolleyes:

I wasn't using him to advance my evidence of anything.
C'mon posted something which was obviously not his own work....I posted the link so that people could read the article in context.

My next post was to say that many of us on here had come to the same conclusion well before this man had written the article.......my point was that the political parties.......all the main ones anyway, have little respect for either the electorate, or for that matter democracy.

I do not need Peter Hitchen to evidence my thoughts. I have eyes, I have a brain.....my eyes are dimming a bit, but my brain is as sharp as it ever was(or so I am told).

Margaret Pilkington 24-08-2013 15:27

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Facts are facts, but it always good to realise that sometimes how they are presented can be skewed, biased...political parties call this 'spin'....and they use it to bamboozle and confuse issues...believing that most of the electorate is thick...or should that be 95% of the electorate?

StoneRoses 25-08-2013 04:29

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1070728)
My point was that people were actually against the signs because we shouldn't be asking people to sod of home when they have no right to be here, which to me is worse than the signs themselves :mad:

what gives you the right to be here? the fact that you, by no choice of your own and by complete luck that you was born in this particular place in contrast to other places in the world, what gives you the right to deny other people the right to live on this bit of land? I personally do not view any human as 'illegal' and in an ideal world would remove all borders completely. Alas this world is far from ideal.

cashman 25-08-2013 07:07

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Originally Posted by StoneRoses (Post 1072765)
what gives you the right to be here? the fact that you, by no choice of your own and by complete luck that you was born in this particular place in contrast to other places in the world, what gives you the right to deny other people the right to live on this bit of land? I personally do not view any human as 'illegal' and in an ideal world would remove all borders completely. Alas this world is far from ideal.

Yeh n you have just proved its far from ideal,:rolleyes:Its not about the right to be here, its about the circumstances, One day when yeh develop n I.Q. yeh will see the fact.:rolleyes:

jaysay 25-08-2013 08:15

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Originally Posted by StoneRoses (Post 1072765)
what gives you the right to be here? the fact that you, by no choice of your own and by complete luck that you was born in this particular place in contrast to other places in the world, what gives you the right to deny other people the right to live on this bit of land? I personally do not view any human as 'illegal' and in an ideal world would remove all borders completely. Alas this world is far from ideal.

You are a good reason, maybe you should be housed in a lunatic asylum, with your attitude, if we allowed every Tom Dick and Ali to come here set up a tent and go to the nearest DHSS office and draw on a system to which they have contributed nothing may suit you. I have the right to complain because I HAVE paid into that system, maybe your haven't and are benevolent sort of a person I'm not. I would have no problem if people come here and receive exactly the same payments they would receive back home, but then we wouldn't have a problem in the first place, they wouldn't bother at all;)

Margaret Pilkington 25-08-2013 09:17

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Originally Posted by StoneRoses (Post 1072765)
what gives you the right to be here? the fact that you, by no choice of your own and by complete luck that you was born in this particular place in contrast to other places in the world, what gives you the right to deny other people the right to live on this bit of land? I personally do not view any human as 'illegal' and in an ideal world would remove all borders completely. Alas this world is far from ideal.

You miss the point entirely.
Well, except that the world is not ideal...and that is a bit of an understatement.

Being born here gives you the right to reside here, unless of course, you choose somewhere else....but then you have to seek permission of the country you wish to move to.

You have to satisfy this country that you are a worthy resident by having a job, a home or at least somewhere to reside...that you have the finances to support yourself and will not be a drain on the community that you want to become part of.
You have to show some sort of committment to this community,perhaps by learning the language and the customs of the community that you want to join.

NO....you do NOT have to abandon your own culture, but you do have to accept that it might not be the main culture of the area to which you are moving, and be graceful about that fact.

If you do not apply for permission, but move to your chosen country anyway disregarding all of those issues, then you have done so illegally.

You are in disrespect of the law of this land and you should not be afforded any of the privileges of that land......since you treat it, and its inhabitants with such disrespect.
You are expecting these people to support you, feed you home you and protect you, yet you do not respect them, or their values.

That is the reality of life on this globe.
We are a small island, and have for many years accepted all comers without question.

We have been tolerant of other races and creeds....but the people who have come have not always been tolerant of us...they want to turn our island into something like where they came from.
If they want something like the place that is their homeland, then my suggestion is that they return there.

DaveinGermany 25-08-2013 12:02

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Originally Posted by StoneRoses (Post 1072765)
what gives you the right to be here? the fact that you, by no choice of your own and by complete luck that you was born in this particular place in contrast to other places in the world, what gives you the right to deny other people the right to live on this bit of land? I personally do not view any human as 'illegal' and in an ideal world would remove all borders completely. Alas this world is far from ideal.

I see the manure scattered on the flowerbed has brought forth our perennial again, he whose last major contribution was this:-

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...-pl-63530.html

My, you certainly are a thorny one aren't you? Careful of the prick folks, Roses are notorious for them. ;)

DAV007 26-08-2013 01:53

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Originally Posted by StoneRoses (Post 1072765)
what gives you the right to be here? the fact that you, by no choice of your own and by complete luck that you was born in this particular place in contrast to other places in the world, what gives you the right to deny other people the right to live on this bit of land? I personally do not view any human as 'illegal' and in an ideal world would remove all borders completely. Alas this world is far from ideal.

[YOUTUBE] Life Is A Flower - Ace Of Base - YouTube [/YOUTUBE]

jaysay 26-08-2013 08:08

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Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 1072805)
I see the manure scattered on the flowerbed has brought forth our perennial again, he whose last major contribution was this:-

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...-pl-63530.html

My, you certainly are a thorny one aren't you? Careful of the prick folks, Roses are notorious for them. ;)

Maybe he's made his yearly post now Dave:rolleyes:

cmonstanley 14-09-2013 20:32

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ha ha the irony BBC News - Font designer could sue over 'go home' vans

jaysay 15-09-2013 08:06

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1075670)

Funny that, I find you so ironic ever day:rolleyes:


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