is this right ? "The Anti-Social Behaviour, Crime and Policing Bill
 

"The Anti-Social Behaviour, Crime and Policing Bill also grants local authorities, police and even private security firms sweeping powers to bar citizens from assembling lawfully in public spaces. Those who refuse orders under the new rules will face arrest, fines and even prison time." is this right ? so local authorities and private security firms will have the right to move you from a public space.

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This is getting ridiculous now, How many more polls are you going to inflict on us?

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I think we should have a poll on this.

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its the only way people debate on here .I ask a question I try and encourage debate:eek:..

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Is that supposed to be a joke? Your idea of "debate" is:

a) Copy and paste a link from one of your favourite papers - usually the Mirror or the Guardian.

b) Copy and paste a huge mass of indigestible type, usually with no paragraph breaks, which nobody bothers to read.

c) Your latest substitute for reasoned argument - a series of spurious "polls".

Not once have I ever seen you engage in reasoned debate by putting forward your own opinion in a thought-out, literate fashion, so how you can expect others to is beyond me!

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jesus i hate torys as much as the next bloke but come on it was tony blair who made protestsing an act of terrorism afte rhe got humiliated by teh petrol tank drivers when they slapped his bitch ass over fuel prices

thats why fuel is so high now because to re do thos eprotests is now an act of terrorism as is protesting with over a certain amoubnt of people

government may not flex the power as it would loose them popularity but take my word for it teh second they loked to be loosing control or face the anti terrorism laws would be used

thankyou labour the EX party of teh people

all teh torys are planing on doing is abusing us further which is how you expect torys to behave.What people didnt expect when electing New Labour was a party hell bent on war ,mass imigration and abuse of civil liberties or as teh case was stripping us of democracey as has been proven over the EU..

and breathe out .....

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Pretty fair summary accyman, But its facts numpties will never grasp.:rolleyes: Way things have developed oer the years - Labour is now Tory- in fact n i never thought i'd ever say this, Worse.:eek::eek: I personally have stopped voting on his stupid polls, i would rather wipe me ass wi a broken bottle.

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im just happy my typing translated pretty well considering the amount of booze that had been introduced into the mix lol

The UK has a history of sorting things out .Every now and then we topple a monarchy or overthrow i government.Its been a while and we seem to have gotten soft but i reakon the people of the UK have one good swing left in them and i hope i live to see the day this set of crooks get what they deserve :D

we dont have polititions anymore its just a title.What we have is a set of crooked egomaniacs with power issues

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Something puzzles me here - why would you NOT expect a Labour government to be for mass immigration? A liberal approach to immigration is a basic tenet of left wing socialist attitudes and if you don't believe me, just go and talk to an average left wing socialist. Why do you think left wing Labour councillors keep very quiet about the subject (and did so even back in the days when they were posting on here ten-to-the-dozen)? Why do you think Gordon Brown called the woman who raised concerns about immigration a "bigot"?

I've never understood the attitude that prevails on here - this hankering after a proper socialist government, but somehow expecting them to introduce Enoch Powellite policies on immigration or right wing Tory "hang 'em, whip 'em and flog 'em" policies on law and order. It'll never happen!

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i suppose its because by the time tony blair got into power even stevi wonder could see we were pretty much full already and at breaking point. Any sane person would have stemmed teh flow rather than increase it but when your sucking up to the EU ,bowing down to their command and allowing any almost bankrupt poverty ridden country to join the EU i guess its easy to overlook the needs of your own people.

why develope your own health care system when you can join the EU and skip down the channel tunnel to the good old mug of the UK to get free treatment

its not a matter of not wanting peopel from other countries here its a matter of knowing the countries limits which have been exceeded long ago

christ all mighty under labour we we paying child benefit to kids in poland that didn even exist

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kinda shows how seriously labour have screwed up when a life long labour voter wants nothing more to do with them and teh numbers are increasing

the only slogan labour can actually use for an election is "were not quite tory" which at the last election wasnt enough hence the lot we have now

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We still are and to many other countries - my lad, working at DHSS Warbreck tried to report a West African who he was sure was claiming for 3 or 4 families "back home", was told it wasn't the business of his department to delve into issues like that.

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You're still not answering my question, Accyman. I might have got you wrong but I seem to recall that you are one of the many on here who wants a return to a traditional socialist Labour government. Do you really think this will result in more stringent immigration controls and a more sceptical and challenging attitude to the EU? I suggest you go and find some Labour party left wing socialists and expound your views on immigration and the EU to them - them come back and tell us how many times you've been called a "racist", "xenophobe", "little Englander" and the rest. ;)

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That ain't anything new Barrie, back in the sixties when I worked on a site down Whalley we had a German bricklayer who was claiming for three kids back in the fatherland, the trouble was he only had one, so its not a new thing really there's just more at it now, made easier by the European Union and their tinpot rules:mad:

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There will never be a "socialist government" again Wyn when so called socialist get elected they just jump on the gravy train and forget about all for one and one for all, or in the words of the "Red Flag" The working class can kiss my arse I've got the bosses job at last:rolleyes:

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John Prescott springs to mind, anyone for croquet? :eek:

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You might be right, Jay, but there are quite a few on here who hanker after an old Labour socialist government. If such a government did come to power, it would inevitably have a liberal, pro-immigration policy and a pro-EU policy. It's bound to, because left wing socialists are internationalists - and if you don't believe me, go and ask Bernard Dawson!

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there are socialists who don't want to be in Europe ,same as tories or any other party. don't forget Maggie and john major started the descend as we know it by signing the Maastricht treaty and implementing it. as for immigration and economic migrants ,the british have been doing the same for centuries . the tories are coming out with there is less coming in, what they really mean there is less being counted as they sacked the staff who did the counting;) remember some tories wanted the euro as well. some labour wanted it some didn't like Gordon brown;) the Schengen Implementation Convention of 1990 , started the immigration and free movement and who was in power ye the tories

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to be honest id much rather the lot be shot in teh street and a new set of people and a democracey returned to our country because the current system has way out run its course and needs a seriuos revamp

whatthat revamp entails is another discussion but what we have now and have had teh past few decades has been rotten to the core

we need a modern day guy fawkes but with a better success rate :-)

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Hang on the UK is not a signatory to the Shengen Agreement. Which is why you need your passport to travel across the channel.

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Yeh rotten sod.......That don't fit in wi Cmons Thesis.:D

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Obviously he doesn't travel to the European mainland - hopefully we will soon be able to class him as an illegal immigrant when Scotland becomes independent:rolleyes:

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Once again you reduce the argument to a garbled, semi-comprehensible party political broadcast on behalf of the Labour party. You talk about "debate" but you don't seem to be capable of debate in any meaningful sense of the word.

Yes there are socialists who are Euro-sceptic, the most prominent being Tony Benn but they're the exception to the rule. The vast majority of left wingers inside and outside the Labour party are pro-EU. The Euro-sceptic element in Parliament comes from the right wing of the Tory party, most of whom would be despised on here for their political views.
As for immigration, I wasn't making any comment on whether immigration is a good or bad thing. I was merely pointing out that most socialists are pro-immigration and the more leftwards you go the more pro they become. So there's a basic contradiction on Accyweb from those who want a return to a real socialist Labour government but who adopt an "Enoch was right" attitude on immigration and I was wondering how they squared that contradiction (apart from Accyman's idea of blowing the lot up and starting all over again!). :D

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admitidly my debating skills are not much better than cmon's but i do feel a murder spree in the house of commons is a great idea i just struggle putting it into debate format ..

maybe a poll of some sort is required :D:D

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go on give us a clue where did you cut and paste that from:rolleyes:

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Can't wait Barrie, what a great day that will be:mosher::thankya:

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So you started all over again? So why would you expect it to be any different?

You'd just get a set of politically minded types, some with left wing opinions and some with right wing opinions.

You're not going to get politicians with the worldview espoused by many on here - ie left wing on the NHS, public services, the welfare state, taxation, but right wing on immigration, law and order, the EU.

Sorry, mate, no such animal.

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Can't fault that Wyn, the thing is 90% of the public don't give a toss about politics or political parties, I can guarantee that I could stand on a street corner in Ossy and ask 100 passers bye which ward they live in and who is their councilor and 90 of them won't have a clue and what's more don't care either

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Could that be because of whose ward it is?

;)

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I'd disagree with that Jay, everything we do or see is influenced by politics whether it be in our private or work lives. Rule, regs & pretty much all the minutiae we face daily stem from political decisions taken now or in the past. I'd say that most folk have political opinions, but, there's no political party that can cover all that the individual requires, hence an ongoing disillusion with the political classes & their self serving ways.

Like Wynn said, there's no one party that holds the views & feelings of the average man on the street, Carlsberg don't do Politics ..... but if they did! :)

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And thats the problem...'party' politics....

All the tories jump up and down about communist Russia circa 1950-1980...those in power said 'vote the party way or get sent to Siberia'

So tell me what the difference is, when Hug-a-hoodie or EggM brings out the whips to coerce MP's to vote the way they want them to?

Every single MP in the house of lies and deceit has a mind of their own, unfortunately, those that pluck up the courage to use it are consigned to the back benches, never to have a chance at influencing major decisions, support and funding at election time is withdrawn, they are ostracised and eventually screwed. People with that kind of guts are few and far between.

It aint right..I'm a socialist, yet I put my cross for Ken Hargreaves..which pretty much, when you think about it, helped put Thatcher in...I didn't vote for her, didn't want her or her policies and idealism, I voted for the guy who I thought would best represent me, and I was right because thats what he tried to do.

We are all socialists at heart..we want everyone treated fairly, we want to support the sick and needy, we want to help the unemployed, the single parents, those with dementia and learning difficulties. We don't mind immigration as long as the immigrants bring something to our society, we want a fair days pay for a fair days work. We don't mind if the boss has a top of the range car and a nice house if he's put his shift in. We don't want people burnt at the stake or hung drawn and quartered on Tower Bridge, but we do want a judiciary that can hand out sentences and consequences that fit the crime without being hamstrung by ridiculous rules or having their decisions overturned by a quango in another country.

We don't want people making money without putting anything into society, we don't want those muppets on the Apprentice or those who make money gambling on bits of paper on stock market floors, that cause mass unemployment and bank collapses so that they can have another new Porsche and a holiday home in the Bahamas.

All of us..right wing, left wing, midfielder or centre back..whatever the label..want a bit of common sense, a bit of common decency, and someone to speak on our behalf!

Until there is a major overhaul of our outdated party political electoral system...it aint gonna happen

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well what would help would be people could only stand for election if propperly qualified to do the job or at least be well educated.Appearing to be a good egg shoveling crap by cannals for cameras dosnt quite cut it in my opinion and i certainly dont like been told im too thick to understand the EU by someone whos expertees lay in printing.

one huge problem this country has is that you need a NVQ to flip burgers at mcdonalds but you dont need 1 single qualification to help run the country or to have a vote on issues that effect millions of people .Just an ability to lie and pick litter can get you a lot further than a degree.

you are correct there will always be crooks and power hungry people but maybe severe punishments that actually get enforced would help keep them in line.

most of teh labour lot should be in prison as also most of teh tories but teh guy making teh decision on wether they shoudl face charges was himself guilty of fraud.That decision shoudl be removed from government the police shoudl have been allowed to do tehir job.There was evidence and proof crimes had been commited yet they walked free and still remain in their jobs

utter complete bollox is it any wonder people have no faith in our government when the majority fo them should be in prison

the gauling part is these crooks tell us how to behave and what is good for us lmfao

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No Less you can take any ward in England the result would be the same, take Accy Web, we get on here around 180 members who visit the site on a regular basis, you will be luck if 20 of them bother to post on political based threads. as I say a hell of a lot of people don't give a stuff about politics

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And lets not forget Labour are going to allow 16 year olds the vote, and that there are crooks in all walks of life;)

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well i suppose if you can create a baby at 16 or die for your country at 16 you shoudl get a vote and yes there are crooks in all walks of life but when your gang of crooks if masquerading as a government you dont need to fear the law

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I have never read a more common sense post....it is everything I have been saying in different threads for as long as I have been here.
Well said that man.

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You can have and father a baby at 10 and your not allowed on active service until your 18 so why let the truth get in the way of a good yarn. There are MPs who do a great job so why lump them altogether, Hyndburn had one of the best constituency MPs you could wish for not to be mistaken by the dogs breakfast we have at the moment.

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Most people whatever political leanings are well aware of that n have said the same on numerous occasions, But people like that are very few n far between no matter what Party they represent.

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yes but as the saying goes you have to dig through a lot of crap to find a diamond and tehres a lot of crap

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If a political party appeared with a manifesto like this, they'd have my vote for life!

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me too!

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And then there were 3.;)

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The thing about a party manifesto is that what they leave out is as important as what they put in......and sometimes they act on what they don't put in, more than the things that are included!

Which is why there is such mistrust of party politics.
No political party was brave enough to put in their manifesto their plans for same sex marriages....why might that have been?
anyway, it still became law........another EU directive!

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There is only one thing about manifesto's Wyn they aren't worth the paper they're written on, as nobody gives a stuff after they've been elected :(

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Can you imagine the ruling Party of the time bringing in a law that required all items included in the party manifestos to be achieved during that parliament:rolleyes:

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Think the party leader would have to be called Merlin, Barrie;)

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Doesn't legend say when we bang a drum or something like that he will reappear and save this blessed isle set in a silvered sea;):D

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Thought that was Drake. :idunno: