is this right ? "The Anti-Social Behaviour, Crime and Policing Bill

[cmonstanley]

"The Anti-Social Behaviour, Crime and Policing Bill also grants local authorities, police and even private security firms sweeping powers to bar citizens from assembling lawfully in public spaces. Those who refuse orders under the new rules will face arrest, fines and even prison time." is this right ? so local authorities and private security firms will have the right to move you from a public space.

[Wynonie Harris]

This is getting ridiculous now, How many more polls are you going to inflict on us?

[Eric]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

How many more polls are you going to inflict on us?

I think we should have a poll on this.

[cmonstanley]

its the only way people debate on here .I ask a question I try and encourage debate..

[Wynonie Harris]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

its the only way people debate on here .I ask a question I try and encourage debate..

Is that supposed to be a joke? Your idea of "debate" is:

a) Copy and paste a link from one of your favourite papers - usually the Mirror or the Guardian.

b) Copy and paste a huge mass of indigestible type, usually with no paragraph breaks, which nobody bothers to read.

c) Your latest substitute for reasoned argument - a series of spurious "polls".

Not once have I ever seen you engage in reasoned debate by putting forward your own opinion in a thought-out, literate fashion, so how you can expect others to is beyond me!

[accyman]

jesus i hate torys as much as the next bloke but come on it was tony blair who made protestsing an act of terrorism afte rhe got humiliated by teh petrol tank drivers when they slapped his bitch ass over fuel prices

thats why fuel is so high now because to re do thos eprotests is now an act of terrorism as is protesting with over a certain amoubnt of people

government may not flex the power as it would loose them popularity but take my word for it teh second they loked to be loosing control or face the anti terrorism laws would be used

thankyou labour the EX party of teh people

all teh torys are planing on doing is abusing us further which is how you expect torys to behave.What people didnt expect when electing New Labour was a party hell bent on war ,mass imigration and abuse of civil liberties or as teh case was stripping us of democracey as has been proven over the EU..

and breathe out .....

[cashman]

Pretty fair summary accyman, But its facts numpties will never grasp. Way things have developed oer the years - Labour is now Tory- in fact n i never thought i'd ever say this, Worse. I personally have stopped voting on his stupid polls, i would rather wipe me ass wi a broken bottle.

[accyman]

Originally Posted by cashman

Pretty fair summary accyman, But its facts numpties will never grasp. Way things have developed oer the years - Labour is now Tory- in fact n i never thought i'd ever say this, Worse.

im just happy my typing translated pretty well considering the amount of booze that had been introduced into the mix lol

The UK has a history of sorting things out .Every now and then we topple a monarchy or overthrow i government.Its been a while and we seem to have gotten soft but i reakon the people of the UK have one good swing left in them and i hope i live to see the day this set of crooks get what they deserve

we dont have polititions anymore its just a title.What we have is a set of crooked egomaniacs with power issues

[Wynonie Harris]

Originally Posted by accyman

What people didnt expect when electing New Labour was a party hell bent on war ,mass imigration and abuse of civil liberties or as teh case was stripping us of democracey as has been proven over the EU..

Something puzzles me here - why would you NOT expect a Labour government to be for mass immigration? A liberal approach to immigration is a basic tenet of left wing socialist attitudes and if you don't believe me, just go and talk to an average left wing socialist. Why do you think left wing Labour councillors keep very quiet about the subject (and did so even back in the days when they were posting on here ten-to-the-dozen)? Why do you think Gordon Brown called the woman who raised concerns about immigration a "bigot"?

I've never understood the attitude that prevails on here - this hankering after a proper socialist government, but somehow expecting them to introduce Enoch Powellite policies on immigration or right wing Tory "hang 'em, whip 'em and flog 'em" policies on law and order. It'll never happen!

[accyman]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Something puzzles me here - why would you NOT expect a Labour government to be for mass immigration? !

i suppose its because by the time tony blair got into power even stevi wonder could see we were pretty much full already and at breaking point. Any sane person would have stemmed teh flow rather than increase it but when your sucking up to the EU ,bowing down to their command and allowing any almost bankrupt poverty ridden country to join the EU i guess its easy to overlook the needs of your own people.

why develope your own health care system when you can join the EU and skip down the channel tunnel to the good old mug of the UK to get free treatment

its not a matter of not wanting peopel from other countries here its a matter of knowing the countries limits which have been exceeded long ago

christ all mighty under labour we we paying child benefit to kids in poland that didn even exist

[accyman]

kinda shows how seriously labour have screwed up when a life long labour voter wants nothing more to do with them and teh numbers are increasing

the only slogan labour can actually use for an election is "were not quite tory" which at the last election wasnt enough hence the lot we have now

[Barrie Yates]

Originally Posted by accyman

christ all mighty under labour we we paying child benefit to kids in poland that didn even exist

We still are and to many other countries - my lad, working at DHSS Warbreck tried to report a West African who he was sure was claiming for 3 or 4 families "back home", was told it wasn't the business of his department to delve into issues like that.

[Wynonie Harris]

Originally Posted by accyman

i suppose its because by the time tony blair got into power even stevi wonder could see we were pretty much full already and at breaking point. Any sane person would have stemmed teh flow rather than increase it but when your sucking up to the EU ,bowing down to their command and allowing any almost bankrupt poverty ridden country to join the EU i guess its easy to overlook the needs of your own people.

You're still not answering my question, Accyman. I might have got you wrong but I seem to recall that you are one of the many on here who wants a return to a traditional socialist Labour government. Do you really think this will result in more stringent immigration controls and a more sceptical and challenging attitude to the EU? I suggest you go and find some Labour party left wing socialists and expound your views on immigration and the EU to them - them come back and tell us how many times you've been called a "racist", "xenophobe", "little Englander" and the rest.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Barrie Yates

We still are and to many other countries - my lad, working at DHSS Warbreck tried to report a West African who he was sure was claiming for 3 or 4 families "back home", was told it wasn't the business of his department to delve into issues like that.

That ain't anything new Barrie, back in the sixties when I worked on a site down Whalley we had a German bricklayer who was claiming for three kids back in the fatherland, the trouble was he only had one, so its not a new thing really there's just more at it now, made easier by the European Union and their tinpot rules

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

You're still not answering my question, Accyman. I might have got you wrong but I seem to recall that you are one of the many on here who wants a return to a traditional socialist Labour government. Do you really think this will result in more stringent immigration controls and a more sceptical and challenging attitude to the EU? I suggest you go and find some Labour party left wing socialists and expound your views on immigration and the EU to them - them come back and tell us how many times you've been called a "racist", "xenophobe", "little Englander" and the rest.

There will never be a "socialist government" again Wyn when so called socialist get elected they just jump on the gravy train and forget about all for one and one for all, or in the words of the "Red Flag" The working class can kiss my arse I've got the bosses job at last