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Read in the paper this morning that kids in a school in Leeds have had their cigarettes taken from them only to have them given back at lunchtime and break times so they can smoke them in a special area in the playground !!! What is the world coming to ? Smoking under 16yrs of age is the law of the land not a school rule. I think the school in question needs a head teacher like Mabel Horne,late of Accrington High School. I can imagine what she would have thought of it all.

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I don`t think that`s quite true Rowlf, although it should be.
Illegal to sell tobacco to under eighteens, but not a criminal offence for under 16`s to smoke (in private).

Citizens Advice - At what age can I legally drink alcohol and smoke?

Children and Young Persons Act 1933

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Well in my book giving the cigarettes back to the children is ever bit as bad as buying them for them. A school playground can hardly be classed as 'private' either.

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Like I said, it should be.

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Shocking ... kids should be forced to smoke in the bogs as we were.:rolleyes:

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Teachers have to be careful these days, just what they can and can't do, remember the European Human Rights Act:rolleyes: When I was at school if a teacher had found fags on you they would have been confiscated, full stop, but they can't do that today, sadly :mad:

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Illegal to sell cigarettes to an under 18 year old, not illegal for an under 16 to smoke.

Not surprised at this really. When I was at college there was a smoking room in the rivalling college (one reason I didn't choose it)!albeit this was ages 16 and up.

I suppose the only redeeming part of this is that teenagers love to rebel, and a lot of them I am guessing only smoke because of this. It could make it not as attractive to them, although this isn't the reasoning behind it.

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But back in the day, all the teachers smoked ... and the pay wasn't all that hot; so, three crumpled 'bines was a welcome addition to their tobacco stash:D I can see them in the staff room, passing around a Woodbine until someone called for a pin to get the last two drags out of it;)

But I do agree with your point that when Human Rights Acts trump common sense and doing what is right, they become, well, silly ... silly, trivial, and bloody annoying.

We all know, in a general sense, what "common sense" is; we all know wrong from right ... though we may argue about details. Well, maybe not all of us ... there's a bunch of folks in Westminster, Ottawa, and, most def., Washington D.C. and Brussels (?), etc. ....................... :rolleyes:

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Luxury ..... sheer luxury, indoors in the bogs? We had to make do with a scabby, cold, old bike shed! :D

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Mmm ... guess you never smelled the bog at Accy Grammar ... smelled worse than an anchovie's asshole:eek: ... not quite as bad as the bog by the bus stop at the Forts, but gettin' there ... I've smelled better bogs in France for chrissake:D

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that's funny how can Scotland ban smoking in public places I think saying it is do with the European human rights act is rubbish . misinformed is the word;)

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I'm assuming this is a quote from "Finnegans Wake":confused:

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i remember in biology the teacher pulled ouot a machine that you placed a lit ciggy in and it would draw the ciggy as if it was been smoked.We were then shown what was left behind on a scrap of cloth which was all the tar and bad stuff and told that was what you were taking into your lungs

the ciggys used were ones confiscated from kids

as far as i know the remainder of the pack was not given back to the kid in question

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Of course not, the teacher smoked them.

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Smoking was really strictly condemned at the school I went to-and from my parent's rule, I wasn't even allowed to associate with any pupils or other friends who smoked, but there was never any teachings about it.

Just smoking=bad-that was that!

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I would have thought a school classed as a public building and that no smoking would be allowed anywhere within the grounds. At Hyndburn Borough Council smoking was banned altogether several years ago. You can't even smoke in your own car on a Council car park. Staff who previously could go to a nice cosy smoking room in works time suddenly found themselves having to clock out, put on their outdoor coat and go and sit on a bench at the bottom of Ormerod Street. How will these kids cope with the discipline of a workplace where smoking isn't allowed if they have been allowed to light up at certain times in a designated area of the playground? Also, whatever happened to promoting a healthy lifestyle?

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The thing I can never get my head round, never having been a smoker, is seeing patients in wheelchairs, wearing their pyjamas or nighties and dressing gowns, still attached to their drip, sitting in the freezing cold outside the front door of all our hospitals, having a fag! The mind boggles!

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Save the boggling for things cofusing and difficult to comprehend ... this is a no brainer; smoking is an addiction:rolleyes: When I started, it was more-or-less expected that one would smoke. You could smoke in restaurants, buses, trains, planes, movie theatres, even hospitals for chrissake. And now, as Edmund observed: "The wheel has come full circle." Problem I have with the anti-smoking campaigns and laws, are that they seem to have moralistic overtones (undertones too;)). It's as if smokers are not sufferers from an addiction, but, somehow they are immoral, sinful, not as "good" as non smokers. This, of course, is an immense crock of horse manure. I find the obviously punitive measures taken against smokers distasteful. However, I do feel that point of anti-smoking measures should be to prevent people from starting.

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Interesting comment Eric, I look at the smoking ban as protection for the non-smokers. Guess it depends on which end of the fag you're at.

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I don't think one can deny the zealotory and smug moralizing of the anti-smoking campaign ... it's as plain as the fact that smoking is a powerful addiction, which should, through education and good-parenting (I know ... this is a tricky one) and reasonable restrictions on smokers, be limited to an ever decreasing addicted minority.

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Smoking in school is probably ok if you can prove your doing on the strict instructions of your religious leader........

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The law is about smoking in buildings so you are ok outside. No idea why HBC decided to take the Nazi hard line and not allow smoking on the premises at all. Most companies provide a smoking shelter outside.

How does the HBC rule apply to staff working outside like cleansing and parks staff?

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The smoking in your own car thing is a bit harsh, I think-unless It's a company car of course. Where do legalities lie on that, or is it just a case of it being written in the work rules and if you don't comply you're up for disciplinary?

I don't know what it will be like in the future but most workplaces still allow employees to take breaks and allocate somewhere outside of the building where it is acceptable to smoke
Not doing it inside a building is obviously a legal thing now.

It is an addiction and although I don't smoke and when I did I only ever did it as a social activity , I imagine if one is a smoker and is stuck in hospital which is usually a stressful, frustrating and boring situation (at best!) The desire to smoke would increase, not decrease!

I agree. Who was it who famously said they quit heroin and nicotine, and nicotine was the harder of the two!?

It is usually a very difficult thing to give up. On top of the addiction you have the fact that It's habitual, association is there for after eating, on waking, during conversation etc, and products containing nicotine remain widely available and easy to access. There is a stigma now, and the smugness of the anti-smoking campaign isn't helpful.

But if one is trying to give up an illegal drug that is more stigmatised and not as easy to find, it has to be easier?

My Grandmother continues to smoke (although not very often) even though she's had lung cancer.

She said on returning from hospital she didn't want a cigarette, wasn't craving nicotine at all and made a good recovery, but something was missing and she became very depressed for the first time in her life.

I can't pretend I fully understand that, but I do find it interesting in a way. If it wasn't lack of nicotine that made her reach for the cigarettes again, what was it..?

I agree with Eric, if you smoke, many people see you as a dirty, unintelligent, immoral human being. I don't think it means any of that, just a person who has succumbed somewhat to a powerful addiction-very easy done.

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If you can prove your Prophet smoked can your parents appeal or could the School be sued in you singe your beard :rolleyes: :D :D :D

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I seem to remember not too many years ago, there was a hospital that banned staff from smoking on its grounds, the nearest place was a dark remote bus shelter, a nurse was raped and murdered after going there for her fag break.
Does any smoker deserve to be put to such a risk by a caring employer?

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That`s the rules now at Royal B`Burn, they have to go down to the footpath along Haslingden Road to smoke. Seems strange that paients are allowed to smoke on hospital grounds but not staff.

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west yorkshire police forbid staff from smoking in their cars if the car is on teh carpark.They have to drive out onto the road and park up if they dont want to get wet in the rain while having a ciggy.

you would think been sat in your car made it your buisness but apparantly companies are allowed to dictate what you do in your car.I could understand it if peopel were dogging at break times but having a ciggy in your own car isnt hurting anyone

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I for one think if you want to smoke in your own car and in your own time then you should be allowed to do so.
Company vehicles are part of the no smoking ban, not just company rules.
What I find annoying is when smokers expect extra breaks.

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Well neither is dogging and I haven't seen any signs banning it either.
So it must be OK??? :rolleyes:

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OK so long as it`s on a leash.:D

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And a muzzle!

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Not into odaxelgnia then Gordon?http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e3...y6306/bite.gif

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big difference between walking out into a carpark and seeing someone smoking a fag in tehir own car and walking out and seeing someone balls deep into a stranger with her boobs up against the windscreen though surely ?

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Not with an American Pit Bull terrier!


One is a filthy disgusting habit, the other isn't!

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I remember funnies as well. :D

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or behind the bike shed

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Wouldn't that be a fire risk? naked flames amongst all the used condoms?

Or

Maybe your boys school wasn't like mine and didn't practice safe sex?
:confused:

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I think we should just ban Scotland altogether :D

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Me neither Judith, I was once in hospital with another patient with very severe asthma, one minute he was sat on his bed using a nebulizer, as soon as he'd finished he was stood outside the front door in his PJs with a fag in his gob, the height of stupidity, not to mention the waste of hospital time and resorces:mad:

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Not too many used condoms behind the old bike shed at Accy Grammar when I was there ... brass was hard to come by; so, guys got more milage out of their condoms by taking them home, washing them carefully, and hanging them on the rack to dry. Re-"cycling" isn't a new idea;)

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Hang on, it was an all boys school!

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at least some of them used condoms though lol

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As far as I remember from when I worked at Hyndburn BC before my retirement, no smoking was allowed even on outdoor sites belonging to the Council. Also, no-one could smoke in a Council van, even if it was parked in a remote location. I also seem to remember that if a Council employee, e.g. Environmental Health Officer, had an appointment to visit a resident in their home, the letter to the resident advising of the appointment would state that no-one was to smoke in the house while the Council Officer was present. I've a feeling it also specified a short time period before the Officer's arrival, perhaps half an hour, when there was to be no smoking in the house. Council employees were also offered smoking cessation classes, I think at Accy Vic, if they wanted to try and give up smoking.

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The time scale was actually 1 hour before a visit judith, another example of sheer cheek of the council. was the same if a worker was coming, even if they were smokers themselves.:rolleyes:

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And you don't think this is all kinda dumb? And you don't think this kinda shiite transcends what is reasonable and, well, sane, and has passed onto the plane of small-minded, punitive, zealotory?

Come to think of it, your earlier comment that your mind was in a state of boggledness annoyed me. It was more than a trifle disingenuous. You know darned well why they are out there smoking. You could have said to one of them: "Hi, how's it going, eh" (Well, ok, you would have spoken English instead of Canajan:D) ... maybe ask the person about an addiction that seems to disorientate your mind.

Maybe, once your brain is under control, you could consider things such as the relationship between poverty and tobacco addiction ... this might lead you to ponder poverty, poor parenting, and lack of education; and how they relate not only to smoking, but also to most other social and political problems. And moving on from there it might be productive to look at real problems rather than at punishing the victims of what still is a legal drug.

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I wonder how they would be able to tell if I had not been smoking for an hour before someone called to my house?
Do they send the nicotine Police around to peep into my window for an hour before the employee is due to arrive?
Also, if a child was in danger would social services refuse to enter the premises for an hour if the person causing that danger was also smoking?
Yes, I know two really stupid scenarios and neither of which deserve taking seriously just as big brothers ruling about how it's staff and customers should behave.
It's a frightening thought that Councils employ people on excellent salaries to waste both time and money on such pathetic rulings.

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Wonder how many of the people making these rules smokes (more then we think I bet)
Going back to kids in school smoking I always thought it was funny that at Chrissy's the "smoking area" was a wall near the cemetery wall

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Its a jobsworth Cashy:D