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I went to the supermarket today (which I sometimes do on Sunday afternoon) but it was closed due to trading laws imposed through (Christian) religious tradition. No big deal I suppose (and I picked up the few things I wanted from our local Spar shop)

I was brought up essentially without religion and I have seen no need to seek it out in adulthood. As we are now a multi-cultural, multi-religion (and none) society is it right that we should all be bound by such sectarian laws or should business and commerce be separated from religious beliefs? And are Spar employees/customers in some way less obligated (morally) to be bound by Christian tradition than those of larger shops? The logic behind this is very puzzling!

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Agree its beyond us, we have been saying how stupid we think it is, small shops can open,larger uns can't, this is sod all to do wi religion as far as we are concerned.:rolleyes:

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We can shop for 363 days of the year.......shops close on Christmas Day and Easter Day.
Two days a year when the shops close. You may not have a religion, but others who work in the shops may have a religious belief.
I am sure that most of the large stores have had their opening times over the Easter break well publicised. Surely it is not beyond your ability to make sure that any shopping you needed was done before they took a day off.

Don't you think that those who work in the supermarkets want to spend a little time with their families?

Anyway, it seems that you got yourself sorted by patronising a Spar shop(which is very likely to be run by someone who is not Christian).
Live and let live.

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I will sit back now and wait for the incoming red stuff.

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Shops under 3000 sq ft can open today, just as they can after 4pm on a normal Sunday (unlike larger supermarkets which have to close today and can only open for restricted hours on a normal Sunday). The reason for this is to give the little independent shops a fighting chance against the big supermarket chains who are taking so much of their business.

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The Spar near us is open 364 days a year. It serves the local community, who, in general, seem to be neither here nor there when it comes to religion in general. I don't see the point in closing at specific times these days. It suits the owners and it suits us, the customers. All good, all round.

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The last time I looked this was still a Christian country.....now so many people want to deny Christianity. Get rid of it and what may take its place.......and then what impositions may be put into place.
It is perfectly possible to shop for 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. The internet makes this possible. During my working life I was required to work many of the times when families get together......so I know what it is like to be working when everyone else is having a fine time with their families.

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The issue to me is simple, i aint bothered one way or the other, they should all be closed, or all be open if they choose, if thats hard fer some to grasp. it dont surprise me.:rolleyes:

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Well Cashy, at one time they were.......and this was when shops all closed on Sundays......and here in Clayton they also closed Saturday afternoon......and do you know what? We got through. No-one starved..... I think that in general the world(or at least my bit of it) was a better place.

There is only so much money to go around......the shops opening longer doesn't necessarily mean that they make more money.....especially the smaller ones, because they have to pay someone to man the place whether it is busy or not.
Shop workers deserve a break as much as anyone else.

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Even worse things used to happen, thanks to religion the pubs used to shut on Sundays except for genuine travelers.

Thank God those days are no longer with us.
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What has happened to 1/2 day closing. The shops don't seem to bother with that now.

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They also used to have restricted hours....Close during each afternoon......opening again at tea time until 10:30 pm.....people still managed to get bladdered......and the landlord got to spend some time for himself.

And if you went to Wales the pubs were closed all day on a Sunday.....totally dry(well, unless you were welsh......then you were let in by the back door).
I remember going to Wales with my gran in the late sixties.....she liked a drop of beer. She was totally disgusted that she couldn't get a beer because the pubs were shut ......especially as she had walked something like three miles from the cottage to the village. She was as dry as an old maids kiss when she got back.

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Aint arguing wi that, just saying simply it should be one way or the other.

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Well,it wouldn't suit the muslim shopkeepers to have to follow a Christian festival Cashy.
Live and let live is what I am saying.

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It always amuses/amazes me when it's a long weekend at the number of people who buy extra big the day before the shops are closed - like they're never going to open again. These people seem to cover every possible emergency that MIGHT happen.

I totally agree with Margaret, why do you need every day to shop. I dislike shopping ANY day, my other half does most of it.

Also remember that if it wasn't for the religious bit there wouldn't be a holiday anyway - you can't have your cake and eat it too, well you can if you include an extra one on your shopping list - just in case....

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That's the problem with the English...they are so quick to forget their traditions...is it any wonder that ever so slowly they are being replaced by alternative cultural values.

Can't ever recall in my youth being dragged around a supermarket on Easter Sunday....train to Blackpool or a Frasers coach trip, yeah..but a day out looking at two for ones or Bogofs...nah!

I was brought up WITH religion..fish on fridays..yada..yada, and dumped it into the logic bin as soon as I could.

Thing is..a 'traditional' public holiday is a holiday that should be enjoyed by the public...even those public that work in Tesco!

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But it's nothing to do with whether the shop owners are Muslim or not. If you're a Muslim and you own a store with over 3,000 sq ft floor space, you're required to shut on Easter Sunday and Christmas Day. If you're a Christian with a shop with under 3,000 sq ft floor space, you're free to open on those days.

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Exactly, thats what i find stupid. The rights n wrongs irrelevant, its the stupidity gets me.

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No argument from me on that one Wyn....that appears to be a screwed up law made by screwed up politicians, probably advised by their unpaid interns (are you reading this Graham?)...wonder which party thought that would be a good idea?

Orginal poster brought religion into it..was just countering his argument

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It's one of those laws that's possibly well-meaning in theory but doesn't actually work in practice. The idea's to give the little independent shops a chance to recoup some sales from the big boys, by forcing people to use their corner shops at certain times. Whether it has the desired effect or not, I wouldn't know. Personally, I never go anywhere near a store on those days, as I'm either dossing round the house or, as today, up the pub!

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agree with Margaret p ... gives the people who work in the supermarkets a chance for a family day ... even if they don't believe in god then they have the chance for a family day. surely you can last 24hours without going to Tesco/asda/morrisons/sainsburys etc or b & q, homebase etc

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Franks Red Hot ... I put that shiite on everything;) Foreign muck.:D

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I understand that. What Cashy was saying, was that it should be all or nothing......my comment that Muslim shopkeepers would not wish to be seen observing a Christian festival was a response to that comment.
Can you imagine the furore it would create if every shop was forced to follow observance of Christian festivals. After all there are enough folk who are apologetic about Christmas.
But then it all boils down to the mighty dollar..or in our case pound coin!

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there should be no allowances for religeon wether it be christianity , islam , hindu or whatever and teh sooner the better

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when sunday trading was first introduced in the UK employees could not be forced to work it and had to be paid extra at either time and a half or double pay. Now it is accepted as a normal working day and minimum wage can be paid so whats teh difference between a christian working over easter and a christian working on the supposedly day of rest.Shouldnt they all be in church on sunday thanking their lord for this magnificent world they are in and not stacking shelves at asda?

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Good news - HBC are collection the recycling today so at least religeon hasnt intereupted their fortnightly routine of throwing everyone elses crap all over my lawn

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And those workers will very likely be paid a premium for working on a bank holiday.....but a bank holiday is not a religious feast day.......and we all have to remember that without religion there would be no holidays.
Back to the days of Scrooge.

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of course there woudl be holidays

granted the word holiday comes from holyday so we could call it something else like " day off day or days "

days off are written into your contract and if there arnt enough days off to your liking then dont sign the contract

law not religeon dictates that we get so many days off and can only work a certain amount of days in a row without taking a day off so no need for religeon.My pal worked so many days in a row that his employers demanded he took time off as they were braking the law not religeon if they let him continue

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Yes....Accyman that is so...but in the beginning holidays only came about because of religion of one sort or another.

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it may have served a purpous back then but we no longer need to be told a magic man sorts things out we now have google and science if we need to know how something works that google isnt aware of yet :-)

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There'd be a furore from all small shopkeepers regardless of their religion, as they regard Christmas and Easter Days as vital trading days that give a welcome boost to their takings over the year. Incidentally, there are plenty of Muslim-owned larger independent stores that have to close down for these Christian religious days.

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Mr Cameron claims that Britain is a Christian country but in a poll 69% said they had no religion and only 29% professed to having a religious faith (all faiths). So it seems that fewer than 20% are actually Christians. I expect shops ensure that their staff get time off 'with their families' without recourse to religion-inspired holidays.

PS. Spar shops are owned by A F Blakemore & our local one is staffed entirely by white caucasians. Didn't notice if any of them wear crucifixes.

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I agree, Accyman, of course there would still be holidays but not the ones that are (supposedly) for religious reasons, which is what I meant regarding Easter.

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All this fuss because supermarkets were closed for one day. I can live without Tesco for one day, and whether or not they are closed for a religious holiday is of no issue to me.

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Maybe people are embarrassed to profess any kind of faith these days. Muslims and Jews do not hold back in professing faith....But it is somehow seen as a bit 'naff'(for want of a better word) to profess a Christian faith.
I do not follow a particular religion, but I am a spiritual person......I live my life by tenets that would be seen to the outsider as 'Christian'.

Our spar shop is run by Muslims.

You do not need to demonstrate your faith to hold it.....and you do not need to subscribe to organised services.
Yes, of course the people running the shop will get their days off.....but it is not exactly the same when you have to work while your family are at home enjoying the break.
I spent nearly 30 years in that situation.....and believe me everyone who had a family wanted to be off at the same time as them.
Doing the duty rota for a festive period was a nightmare.

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As I keep saying, the situation's sod all to do with religion; it's an attempt by the government to try and even things up for smaller corner shops in their fight against the big grocery chains. Religion's just a red herring in this argument!

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Would the red herring be one of them 3 fishes,by any chance?:D

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It is only religious because the closure happens on Easter Day, and the legislation relates to a religious holiday(as opposed to a bank holiday).....so it is a bit of both.
Religion and a bit of political and governmental meddling just to be on the safe side.

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the tips open today by the way incase you want to take your trash out

they only shut new years day , xmas day and boxing day

ps:

any update on the jesus situation has he re-risen yet ?

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Accyman...Maybe that is why people do not profess their faith.....fear of ridicule.
If I said I was Muslim, or Jewish, Hindu or Buddhist, there would be no remark made.
It is about respect for culture and creed.

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Yeh dont really know me then, no-ones sacred.:D

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There's a bit of confusion concerning the time table, the Church of England claim he will arrive at 8.00pm British Summer Time, all the other Christians think BST should be ignored and the actual time will be 8.00pm Greenwich Mean Time.

Perhaps we need a Government Quango setting up to decide who's correct?

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Oh, yes I do Cashy....and I like you for it.
What ever anyone says about you.....they cannot say you are not consistent.
Oh.....by the way I am none of those religions.

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If you are relying on government....I wouldn't be holding your breath.

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Not sure about that one Ma, other religions have had quite a few prods, pokes & digs in various threads within these very pages over the years.

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Maybe something like this:



CBC.ca Montreal - INFOGRAPHIC: Breaking down Quebec's secular charter

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And for my next trick, I need five loaves, three fishes, and five thousand volunteers from the audience.;)

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There may have been pokes and prods at the religions.....but not perhaps at the person who professes that religion.
The PC brigade seems to largely have put paid to that.

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Here's the UK confirmation.

https://www.gov.uk/trading-hours-for-retailers-the-law

And if you think it annoying in UK you should pay the Fatherland a visit, you'd be spitting feathers about their recalcitrance to trade on Sundays, let alone "Holy days". ;)

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Ain't got no truck with the "how very dare you on behalf of some perceived sleight or offence to something/one else crowd" they deserve as much if not more ridicule & disdain than most. If the offended infringed party feel so aggrieved & upset about it let them step up & fight their case themselves.

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It is seen today as something which is akin to racism......and as such, people button it rather than speak out.

I have absolutely no problem with shop workers getting a day off from the daily grind...whether it be for religious reasons or not. I can factor it into my life.And those who cannot do this have my deepest sympathy.

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I don't exactly agree with that. They have plenty of staff that have varying diversity of religions and beliefs(being agnostic I don't care either way) . For example. Around Eid we are at our busiest at work and Muslims don't have Eid as a bank holiday. Only a couple of staff can be off at the same time around October to December, so Muslims should get their holiday request in a.s.a.p in order to get the time off. However they are usually allowed a slight bending of the rules for a day so they can make it up in overtime.....xmas all have to work at least one of the days that are not bank holidays and we can book the rest. It is not busy and that insures that our workplace has a certain amount of people to cover the work. Flipside of this is we have a diversity of staff with different beliefs so Christians can choose to book most of Xmas but have to work at least one day. But in the end Christians have it better.

Also I guess supermarket staff also get good holidays. My workplace gives them out in hours. So we can take a few hours here and there if we choose. So I think it is around 197 hours. In my opinion that is a good amount of holidays you can have with your family if you do choose to do so.

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Get rid of all religion and you get rid of impositions that are already in place in all countries dominated by any religion.

How can the world in general be a better place for a shop closing for any reason? To me this makes no sense.

Apparently he is still upset that pubs no longer close for a few hours in the afternoon

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And how would you go about getting rid of all religion? Feed them to the lions?

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Well. I wouldn't. The task is far too arduous for me to take on.

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Right Rob......getting rid of religion.....religion is the basis of morality, ethics and law.
You are right when you say that it is beyond you to get rid of religion.
And if you get rid of religion what will take its place?
As for my comment on the world being a better place(or my bit of it) back when the shops closed midweek and on a Saturday afternoon......that has been taken out of context.
What was meant by that(but completely escaped you - maybe it was the way I put it) is that back then there was a gentler pace of life....and life seemed less complicated.
Perhaps you had to live it to understand what I meant.

Yes the shops do have a diversity of staff so,it should, theoretically at least, be easy to get hands to man the pumps on a religious holiday......I have been there.....and believe me even though Muslims do not celebrate our Christmas.....none of them were keen to work it.

Shopping can be done now 24 hrs a day...online. And you can shop in person every day of the year except Christmas Day and Easter Day.......and even on those days you can usually find a spar or other convenience store open.....so really, there is not much in the way of restriction.

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This is all a storm in a tea cup. Today Tesco and other supermarkets are open again, and I have got some more milk and toilet rolls in, so all is well with the world, although I have to admit that rationing toilet paper yesterday was a bit hit and miss.

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It isn't even a storm...just an April shower.

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Which brings the flowers that bloom in May. And if it's raining, have no regrets. It isn't raining rain, you know, it's raining violets.

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cant the bloomin RSPCA would put a stop to it :(

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They'd have to stock up on indigestion tablets, too many Chinkys, Indians & fatty white meat certainly wouldn't do them Lions any good! :eek: :D

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Margaret- I do like to make you hit your keys and explain yourself in more depth. Makes for a good read and good debate ;)

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Thanks Rob......it is good to know that you enjoy reading my drivel.:)

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Maybe if Moyes were coaching the lions, the Xians would have a good chance of winning;)

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Wouldn't it be a wonderful world if all we had to worry about was how to manage with having the shops closed for two days a year.

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Don't really think anyones worried about that dotti,;)

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Really, eh. ... and how much mental and physical effort does it take to make sure you don't run out of vital supplies: milk, bread, beer, viagra.:D It's not like you have to go into survival mode if the stores stay closed for a day here and there.

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My ex worked at ASDA, the number of people that would go in the day after the closure for an almost eternal 24 hours complaining (sometimes abusively) about how they had expected the place to be open so they could pick up some milk/bread/vibrator batteries, (new Christmas or Easter bunny present) was surprisingly large.

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How rude accusing him of being religionist, I am sure he could think of some witty remark whatever religion you claimed to follow :D

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The RSPCA are useless and would probably help him

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Neil, I am sure he could...and he doesn't need any help from you :D:D

For the record I do not follow any organised religion, but was brought up in a household where father was a methodist, and mother was a catholic.
This left me with very confused ideas about religious issues.

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A bunch of years ago, when I owned a couple of cabs, I used to dispatch on holidays ... give the regular guys a break. And there were lots of calls from folks wanting to know which bars would be open, if the bingo halls were open, where they could buy a turkey, why there were no hookers on Montreal Street ... all kinds of weird things. For the drinkers out of booze, I would send them an experienced driver who knew where the bootleggers, booze cans and working girls could be found. No shortage of stupid people on this planet. You've probably run into the odd one or two.;)

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and im pretty sure i mentioned islam and hindu in my posts

mind you your less likely to get a bomb through your letter box if you poke fun at a christian but as it is they are all garbage its just some ar emore vile than others and christianity is the least of the problem

pesky hindus and tehir elephant :-)

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Some parts of the States maybe:rolleyes: But even there, they seem to have put the KKK behind them ... and, correct me if I'm wrong, they no longer burn witches.:D Sure, there are the fundamentalist Christian Arayan Nations, but they are fringe. Armed to the teeth, but not really mainstream. When folks mention dangerous, religious extremists, we all know about whom they are talking ... the ones without a sense of humor, unless you get your yuks at public mutilations and beheadings. You know, the ones who can't take a joke or laugh at themselves. Not too many Christians commandeering planes and flying them into those neat new skyscrapers in Abu Whatsitsname ... not too many jews detonating themselves on buses full of muslims.

But, let's face it, holidays in the UK are built on the Christian tradition ... and I bet that there aren't too many non-practicers who would give up Xmas. Other holidays come out of the changing attitudes towards hours of work: the idea that paid, regular time off is more of a right than a concession. So there really ain't much you can do about Xmas and Easter, or Sundays, without erasing history and heritage and starting all over again. Napoleon tried to change things like the names of the months and seasons; but it never caught on.

Maybe you could have different holidays. Groundhog Day would be a good start. Thanksgiving. The Fourth of July. We'll even let you use Canada Day.:D Oh, and while you're at this changing thing, learn how to drive on the right side of the road like most of the rest of the world.:theband:

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Yeh got that wrong mate, we drive on the correct side, its the rest thats semi-illiterate.:D

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but eric if you sit down and think it through how much would you save if xmas was banned

when my youngest opens his present he has a big smile on his face but thinking about it i got the same smile for a £350 tablet as i did when i bought him a £1.00 bag of cofresh bombay mix from pound world.

suicide rates would drop because the pressure put on folk at xmas would be gone and the queens speech would be a thing of the past plus re-runs of the same old movies.

and the best part is been drunk isnt just for xmas so you can still do that with teh added bonus of not having family arguments after the booze takes effect

xmas in general is pretty crap and expensive when you look at it objectivly :D

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I am sure it's been pointed out before but it's to do with the laws! Big shops aren't allowed but smaller corner shops are.

But don't you value peace - peace of one or two days a year when big supermarkets are closed! I live next door to one so I value the time they are closed.

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Trouble is, in a consumer economy, it's an absolute necessity. Whether you wish someone "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Holidays" it's all the same. And a belief in Santa doesn't harm the kids. In fact, the point at which life really starts to suck is when that belief goes ... me, I blame mushroom soup for all that is wrong with my life;)

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Any day with hog in it's title would be a non-starter with a large portion of East Lancashire.:(

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Is that why we celebrate New Years Eve down here rather than Hogmonay?;)

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We don't even celebrate St Georges Day !

St George's Day: 10 Reasons We Don't Feel Patriotic

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Would any of those ten reasons not apply to the Welsh, the Scottish and the Irish?
If they do......and in my opinion they most certainly do...then it is tripe....and just another publication that wants to 'talk down' any of the good things about England.
The picture of London and the fog is not a regular thing...it was caused by sand blowing in from the sahara. Wales and Ireland have similar weather.
As I say, it is just media tripe.

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Or Shakespeare's birthday.

The daily quiz, 23 April 2014 | News | theguardian.com

I got 10:D

And don't forget his Canadian play, which has in it the immortal stage direction, "Exit pursued by a bear.";)

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Why should we ?

According to most of the few who contribute to Accy Web Christianity is just a fairy tale .

What has St George to do with England anyway ?

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Who cares ... but, there again, what has Patrick to do with Ireland? If there were more hands and knees drinking and wearing of ridiculous outfits associated with St. George's Day, then it would be embraced by all (or most). Hell, even the Yanks would hold big parades ... probably in places like Boston.:rolleyes:

You could combine it with Shakespeare day ... real dedicated drinkers could dress like Falstaff, or Pistol (dawn):D Women could be Shrews ... go figure, eh. Oh, the possibilites:theband:

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Probably cheated, eh;)

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I got 3, every one an uneducated guess. We were never taught Shakespeare at Scumbag College.:D

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For those of you who hated the first Shakespeare quiz, here's another. More or less on topic. Think of him as a secular British saint.;); let's not forget he was born on St. George's Day ... a true literary crusader.:D I hope I ain't being politically incorrect by using the "C" word.:rolleyes:

QUIZ | BIRTHDAY BARD - CBCNews.ca

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I got 8 right in that one Eric. I have a brain that hangs onto stuff I have come across(even in such unlikely places as crossword clues).
The other quiz wouldn't load for me for some reason.

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Why should we? He was a Palestinian!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-27048219

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Hey those misfits, mavens and misanthropes will tell you there's no Father Christmas as well.

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Whatever it says on his passport Gordon he represents the battle between good and evil, he is a saint of the broadest appeal. Palestinians, Muslims and Christians celebrate his feast day.

No matter here I am in Chequers in Stevenage raising a glass of Hardy and Hansons Olde Trip (a Greene King ersatz brew I know) to the ambitious Cappadocian bishop who brings more good than evil to humankind.

I'll have to go matey, the sword dancing is about to start ;)

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Maybe if on the 23rd April, George had slain the dragon that was in charge of the country in the 1980s people would remember him a bit more, :D:D:D

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Way to go:D

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No I didnt cheat, I didn't this one either. The school I went to till I was 14, the headmaster an ex WW1 thought that all boys should be brought up military fashion, we spent most of the time when we should have been diong English formation marching up and down the central hall, he kept me in after school one day for not having shiny clogs, and father who was going on night shift at Bristol Aicraft had been waiting for me to go an errand, I got clouted for being late, towd him it were pop heys, so he said next time pop comes down our street I want to know, dashed in next Saturday and said dad pops coming, father went to front door fanged hold of pop by the throat and said if tha wants his clogs polished then tha pays furt polish, until then if thurs any moor o this stupid nonsense or I'll knock thi block off. We heard no more from pop about shiny clogs or shoes. So I never eard o this ear chap called Shakespear, was never taught wher all them twiddly bit go either (,,,..::;; " ) an such, don't know what nouns, verbs or adjectives are either, to me words are just words I write as I speak. When I'm reading anything I don't notice them any way.
I did read at one time he was a plagarist and he didn't write anything.

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I always thought he was Maltese. You learn something every day.

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Coat him with chocolate an he'l be a Malteser.

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the Irish have the right idea..

attatch a pub crawl to your saint and everyone celebrates it even the english and scottish

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"Paddy's Day" Guinness (the company, not our esteemed member) has highjacked the day and it's just one humongous marketing campaign and opportunity for them. And the tat they give away probably keeps more than a couple of chinese give away factories in all year production.

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Retlaw...for someone who doesn't do all those things(parts of speech)...you write more legibly and readably than the guy from over the borders.
I rarely have any bother deciphering what your post is about.