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Most of us on here ... maybe all of us ... live in societies which, in terms of race, religion, culture, sexuality, and all that kind of stuff, are tolerant and accepting. However, muslims seem to be pushing the limits of our tolerance. Things like this:

Soldier struck by Martin Rouleau in St-Jean-sur-Richelieu, Que., hit and run dies - Montreal - CBC News

Of course, many will say things like: "But there are millions of decent muslims who just want to make a life for their families and fit in, in whatever country which has accepted them as citizens." Ok, so there are. Although as some on here have pointed out, they become a "silent majority" whenever new islamic outrages occur.:rolleyes: But there seem to also be (sorry about the split infinitive) more millions of radical, and radicalized muslims who see it as their role in life to pee off the rest of the world. Not only am I becoming an islamophobe, I'm becoming quite comfortable as one. And I believe that events such as the one that happened in St-Jean-sur-Richelieu will push many of us easy-going, laid-back Canucks over the edge.

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I have no gripe at all with any race/creed who want to come here to work...to add to the fabric of our society.

I do not require them to ditch their culture, but neither do I expect to have to dilute or change our rich culture to accommodate their needs over mine.

I have no qualms about them practising whichever religion they have, or no religion......but I do not wish to have hordes of women dressed from head to foot in black with only a slit where their eyes are....this is not a requirement of the Quran, or the Islamic religion...if it were then it would be much more prevalent in Morrocco and other Muslim countries.

I abhor the fact that a section of the population can grow up in an environment of freedoms that their parents didn't have, with education and medical care given to them freely.......and then for these young people to go abroad, to pledge allegiance to a regime which uses seventh century barbarism to further its cause.......and that they can be labeled 'BRITISH'.

Yes Eric you are right, there are going to be those who say that the vast majority of this section of the population are law abiding citizens......if that is the case why do they not stand up and proclaim themselves to be against what is going on right now.
And someone is going to say...there have been people who have stood up to say that this is un-Islamic/barbaric...but not enough of them to make a difference...and their voices have been only in a whisper.......It needs to be the message that resounds from the top of every minaret on the mosques of the UK.......spoken by the Mullah as he calls the faithful to prayer.

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Worth a watch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry3NzkAOo3s

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I saw that when it was originally broadcast and thought it was spot on.

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I'm guessing i'll be alone on this thread (nothing new),well here goes :D

You may of noticed a sharp rise in crime (committed disproportionately by EE migrants).

You may of noticed how you hardly ever hear a English voice in your local shop.

You may of noticed how some signs are now in various languages and not Engish.

You may say 'what happened to my Great Britain'? :rolleyes:

However today barely a day goes by without a sensationalised headline featuring some story about Muslims. Is Islamophobia now the acceptable face of racism?
Islamophobia has now become a recognised form of racism.
Furthermore, as with the inaccuracy of such terms as ‘anti-Semitism’, to describe the anti-Jewish hostility that developed in the late nineteenth century, ‘Islamophobia’ bears many similar hallmarks.

I can’t say that I agree with any religion, personally,they all seem equally idiotic to me. What I can say is that if you preside over years of bombings, regime changes, and enforced economic depression you are going to create some really upset folk, blaming their religion for the fact that they have been shafted and they are going to resort to violence doesn't seems to make any sense to me.
I think the threat from Islamist organisations is over exaggerated and they don't pose an existential threat to any western society :hidewall:

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Well, of course you are entitled to your opinion.

It was not eastern Europeans who beheaded Alan Hennings....who incidentally went to deliver aid to help Syrian children.
It wasn't Eastern Europeans who, in the middle of an English town, in broad daylight and with children looking on, beheaded Lee Rigby.

It is not Islamophobia to say that the barbaric treatment to the other branches of islam(where babies, women and girls were beheaded and IS terrorists, by their own admission, played football with their heads just because they did not worship the same islamic brand of the faith) is just plain wrong on every level........the perpetrators are Muslims that is a fact.

Much of the terror which is perpetrated in the west is done in the name of Islam....a supposedly peaceful religion.
Yet the law abiding muslims sit on their hands and do nothing....they do not speak out....or if they do it is in such muted tones as to be unheard.

In my life and my career I have worked with all religions and creeds....I have had no gripe with any of them....and while we are talking about religion, it isn't religion which is wrong...it is mans interpretation of religion...the way he has twisted it to suit his own aims.

For some people religion is a driving force in their lives...because it is not a driving force in your life does not give you the right to call it idiotic...by doing this you are being derogatory to those who have a professed faith and this is both insensitive and offensive.

I hope you prove to be right about IS not being a threat to the west, but myself, I think you are at best naive, and at worst misguided.

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So, when Lee Rigby was murdered, the problem was "sensationalised" headlines ... not the fact that he was hacked to death in the street by muslims:confused:

And there are significant differences between anti-semitism and islamophobia ... In Nazi Germany, Jews were not causing any shiite ... they weren't bombing buildings, flying Stukas into office buildings, murdering men because they were wearing the uniform of their country, and threatening to destabilize the world. They were peaceful, contributing members of German society, many of them decorated veterans of WWl. And yet they were hauled off in their millions to death camps.

Even today, British Jews, US Jews, Canadian Jews are not being radicalized into violence. And before we get into another debate about Gaza, remember what Britain and the US did to Iraq.

A radical Jewish attack on London's subway system is about as likely as Dr. Josef Mengele's being awarded a posthumous Nobel Prize for medicine for his groundbreaking medical research at Auschwitz.

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What an absolute moron you are - day after day you attempt to prove it to us. Give up, we already acknowledge that you are, and a wannabe troll as a bonus.

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You wouldn't say that if you'd been on a top floor of the World Trade Centre.

Like those 2996 innocent people you wouldn't be saying much.

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I'm no great fan of Mr Putin, but he has been recently quoted " there are no minorities in Russia; if you live here you conform to our society or you go somewhere else, we do not tolerate we do not accept behaviour which offends our society nor will we tolerate acts against our nation"
That seems to sum up the typical reaction of the posts in this thread, minorities currently hold a grip on media and political opinion far beyond their social influence, and this has the effect of causing resentment among anyone who would normally advocate tolerance.
It would appear that I am no longer allowed to be offended; I am " racist, homophobic, ageist, youngist???" put a label on me if you like. But I still find a lot of behaviour offensive and a lot of that behaviour stems from people that I am instructed I must welcome into my community, how would I fare should I impose myself into another community and demand they conform to my standards, it is frequently difficult enough conforming to those of this forum.

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Are you posting similar threads fomenting unrest over there in Canada Eric?
If not why not?
Send us the links in the interests of balance please.

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Do you consider Eric is fomenting unrest.....or do you consider the unrest is already present and Eric is just asking a question which relates to an incident which happened over there?

There is already unrest here. Nothing that Eric can say will alter that one way or another.

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Yes to both your questions Margaret.
Seeking to legitimise hostility even violence towards Muslims has enough advocates over here, already. That said I am looking forward to Eric's replies not yours.

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Fomenting unrest, moi! Advocating violence against muslims? Surely, you must realize those are "hate crimes".:rolleyes: The only violence contemplated by Canada is the deployment of RCAF CF 18s to Kuwait to help bomb the crap out of ISIS. What I am suggesting is putting an end to extremist radicalization of young Canadians which is going on with little effective protest from the larger muslim community. Lets simplify it for those who don't seem to grasp what is being discussed. Think of Canada as the home of a bunch of happy campers, as contented as the cows whose milk goes into Carnation, contemplating life with an impregnable, serene tranquility, disturbed only by blizzards and the late season collapse of the Jays. Now ... are we sitting comfortably ... certain immigrants come into our home (think of it as a log cabin in the woods) take advantage of all we have to offer, and, "sharper than a serpent's tooth" turn on us, and embrace an ideology that runs counter to all that we value.

And I don't post on any forums over here ... don't go on FB all that much ... and avoid Twitter like the plague. I did wander down to the boozer today where I took part in "discussions" about the murder of Patrice Vincent. I can't post links to that. But I can report that the mood was ugly.

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The best insurance against extremism is your frontal cortex..this is worth a read
Changes in connectivity profiles define functionally distinct regions in human medial frontal cortex

All you need is a questioning/open and empathetic mind (and it also helps to have a loving heart).
Its too bad the media and governments dont try to instill such values, rather than relying excessively on our emotionally charged 'mammalian brains' and our primitive serpent brains (fight or flight) when dealing with such issues.A terrorist is simply a freedom fighter viewed from the other
Islamophobia is defined as a hatred or fear of Islam or Muslims.It is interesting to take note on what the word phobia means.Phobia means an irrational fear. To be afraid of Islam is irrational

Given its definition I believe it is easy to see that 'it is a type of 'racism' and given Islamophobias particular type of fear/hatred (deep seated in the individuals psyche) Islamophobia would be difficult to fix in my opinion so I wont be commenting again (on this thread).

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I cannot see any post by anyone that advocates violence towards Muslims.....and the hostility you mention exists only because this group of people foster extremists, sexual predators and the like and is in denial about these things....portraying themselves as devoutly religious.
Above that sort of thing.
While all this is going on they say nothing, they do nothing....and that is right??

They should be rising up against what is happening to those in Iraq.......they should be taking control of the men in this country who do unspeakable things to white girls.....who they see as fair game for their sexual mores....because they are not allowed to sow their wild oats with girls/ women from their own communities.
I am sick of apologist attitudes like yours.
As it says in the video.......the majority are irrelevant.
They are when crimes against humanity are being committed in the name of Islam......and innocent aid workers are beheaded for propaganda......and their deaths glorified.

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It is not Islamophobia to note what is happening and make a comment on it.
Likewise it is not racist to do the same.
I am not afraid of Islam per se, but the way the religion is being radicalised and the Muslim communities allow this to continue.

There must be men in the mosques who know that their young men and boys are being radicalised and they do nothing.
They are a part of the problem....but they are seen as law abiding and devout so that somehow makes it alright.
As I have said......many many times in the past, I have worked alongside many races, creeds and religions. There has always been mutual respect, that is how it should be.
But those who come here for a better life, more freedom, education and then pledge allegiance to another flag......go on and murder their own Muslim brothers purely because they worship a different brand of Islam, are beneath contempt.......and for them to be labeled British is an abomination.
Anyone who cannot grasp this needs to look back in history and see where that took us in the past.

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Thanks Eric, as erudite as ever. :cool:

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Looks like it's not over yet.
ww.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-29724907

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Gordon, that link is missing a w......well at least I think it is.
BBC News - Shots fired inside Canada parliament might be the right link

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Not the first time I've done that, Margaret. I should test opening it .
The story is developing already, I'm afraid Eric's friends are not going to be happy.

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Gordon if it doesn't appear in red when you post it, then it is not a valid link.

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It's easy for you young uns, I struggle to switch it on sometimes.

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Oh Gordon.....you say the nicest things!
You must know that I am only 14 in my head.....and 16 in my knickers .....they have always been a bit more forward:D

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Just following CBC coverage ... Major drama in the House of Commons ... one shooter almost broke into an NDP caucus meeting but was shot dead by the Sergeant-at-Arms, an ex Mountie. Armed Ottawa police and RCMP all over the place ... military helicopters ... Cancellation of PM's meeting with Malala today ... she was going to be awarded honorary Canadian citizenship ... all CFBs across Canada closed to public ... armed guards at all the gates. NORAD on alert. This is exciting ... maybe that's not the way to look at it; but it'll do for now ... but it isn't the Canada I know. I have the feeling that this is going to change us, and not all for the better.

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Is that age, or size:confused:

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I decided not to follow that one through, Eric.
Safer to stay with terrorists!

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Silly!....age of course:D

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I remember you bragging how long you made towels last but 16 years for a pair of knickers-?

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Now Jason...if you read and understood all of that,(without the aid of an interpreter) then please please don't tell me that I have used too many long words :)

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R.I.P Cpl. Nathan Cirillo, Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders of Canada.

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Such a shame and waste of a young man. Terrible for his family.

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The new face of Canada:

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That is one brave man.
I watched the Master At Arms lead into your Parliament....he looked almost overcome with emotion as he received a standing ovation.....well, he was swallowing hard and blinking a lot which suggests to me that he was keeping a lid on the tears.
Even the mother of the murderer says her tears are for the soldier who was killed.

It isn't the world which is bad.....just some of the people who inhabit it!

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He knows how to carry a gun at the ready.

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He's an ex-RCMP ... and evidently he knows how to shoot.

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Good for him, wish we had more like him, rather than our misguided cops who shot that innocent Brazilian.

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I was sent these links by some of my Canadian associates , there worth a look:

https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbi...9246&source=48


Ottawa under attack: 'ISIS' assault on Canadian capital another false-flag terror event -- Puppet Masters -- Sott.net

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What is your conclusion of the two links you have posted?
Just interested to hear what you make of it.

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I'll keep my opinion to myself for now M,I'll only be labbled a "moron" or conspiracy theorist ;)

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If you post links then you should be prepared to give the reasoning behind your post......and since when did it matter what other people think?

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That would only happen if you showed empathy with the two moronic,conspiratorial links you posted.

Now you wouldn't do that, would you?

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Don't worry, he's a shiite disturber. All of us who live here know that Canada is a country which welcomes all immigrants who wish to make a home here. We are all from somewhere else ... or our grandparents were. My late ex was French/German ... my grandson is English/French/German/Mexican ... a true Canadian:alright: But our way of life was attacked in the past couple of days. All this country stands for was attacked by radicalized Canadians ... It's that simple. We are not an imperial nation ... we don't have a large military ... we respond with money and help in emergencies such as the one that happened in Haiti. We have joined the fight against ISIS, but only after intense debate in the Parliament that was attacked yesterday.

But as our PM said "Don't [deleted] with us". Although he used different words.;)

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"Shiite disturber" E? I wasn't the one who started a thread by saying I'm becoming quite comfy as a Islamaphobe (another word for 'racist' in my eyes).


Small events have taken place enough times under the radar in Canada.
At this point I think it is too soon for me to make an full assessment wether this was a false flag or not.Never the less I'm guessing the politicians will waste no time capitalising on the incident. You can bet your last dollar they are or have already written up some papers to further take away rights from its citizens. 


Now,this was Canada's Capital and Im assuming it would have (very) high security which means CCTV cameras .......where's all the CCTV footage of this incident?

Most are ignoring the fact that the guard at the memorial wasn't scheduled to be there, well not on any public schedule (I think it states that the guard is only there between 9-5 from may to august) So what business did he had being there in October?

And then there is the matter of the RCMP cruisers (police) always being stationed on parliament hill.
As you know,There is always at least 1-2 in the front and usually a few more driving around. But always 1-2 on the front of parliament hill. And always at least 1 or 2 guards at the front entrance to that hall.
And we're led to believe a strange man, running on the front lawn of the hill, with a loaded rifle, managed to sprint across in plain site of not only the RCMP but tourists and government employees and no one saw him?

He managed to get inside the building and no one stopped him at the door?
He managed to get all the way down the hallways and they had no one inside who saw a man with a gun in plain clothes, until after he started shooting? Hmmmm

Seems to me there's a certain agenda/theme and that is that 'Nobody is safe 'anywhere'....Not in the War Memorial, not on a London bus, not at school,not on a plane or even as a spectator watching a marathon.

Don't get me wrong though,Ottawa is a great city....well.... other than the fact it's full of junkies and corrupt politicians but apart from that it's great.

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I gave my reason,that reason was, they are worth a read (well imo they were:))...


....it started to matter what folk thought (to a point) after being reported and put on a warning :D

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well you need your eyes testing then

has the word racist become so less a stigma now or less effective in a battle of words that new ways of saying someone is bad need creating?

i dont dislike every muslim in the world but i have absolutely no time what so ever for a backward thinking faith no matter what that faith is especially Islam and even more dislike of the people that use their faith to gain advantage over others,gettheir own way or cause death in their imaginary gods name.

be rest assured theres been more posts by myself about my distain for christianity over the years iv been a member here before i become " in your eyes" a racist.

mind you saying that i do feel safer taking the urine out of christians i wont get arrested or blown up for that infact the worst a christian leader would do is fiddle with my bum and im past the age they like now so im pretty much bulletproof when it comes to dealing with the church :)

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You posted two links to articles which consider this to be some sore of (?) goverment agency engineered propaganda exercise in fostering anti Islamic feeling in Canada.

Facebook?.
People can post what the hell they like on that social media site(though I prefer to think of it as an antisocial site...it fosters lies half truths and does immeasurable damage)......so not really reputable as a source(well not in my book anyway).
And as to the other link to Sott.....this is also propaganda.....anti establishment propaganda......is there anything worth reading there?
Is it just a different brand of fomenting unrest among the Canadians?


Truth is said to be the first casualty of war.....and whether we like it or not there are Muslims around the world who want to take violence and acts of terror into the hearts of communities that have got along well together.....because it furthers their cause.


What do we really know?
We know that two innocent men have died at the hands of Muslim converts.
We know that two families of innocent Canadian men have had the heart ripped out of them with these violent acts.

We know that Michael Zehaf Bibeau went into the heart of government, after leaving the soldier he shot dying....he went with a weapon to perpetrate more harm.....and probably would have succeeded had it not been for the bravery of the Master at Arms.
Those are facts....facts that cannot be argued with.
We do not know the mental state of either of the murderers.....we do not know if they had been on mind altering substances......we know nothing of their motives.
We are told that the two incidents are separate....not linked.


Jason, if you post links to things it gives the folk on the forum the idea that you support what is being said in them......unless of course, you indicate otherwise.
It also disseminates things that have very tenuous credibility.

As for racism....it is a label to throw at people. It stifles any discussion, it is used to,silence those who have any opinion which might differ from the establishment one and as such is unhealthy, because it does not change what is on someone's mind.....only what is on their lips.

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Ive gave my thoughts on islamaphobia and those who label themselves as such, I don't really care 'who' they are, 'where' they come from or 'what' their skin colour or religion is.....if your going to kill innocent people (for whatever reason) you deserve to be killed yourself.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YOo06EOLBuY

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So that also applies to those who barbarically capture aid workers.....humanitarians, and then behead them for propaganda reasons....to terrorise the population in their own country.
Is it not ethnic cleansing to slaughter those who may worship the same religion, but a different branch of it?
Wasn't that something that Hitler did?
Didn't the guy Bibeau do exactly that when he shot the soldier standing guard at the memorial for the war dead of Canada?
Was he racist?
Racism is a two way street.....and there is much racism which is practised against white folks....but hey that doesn't count does it...you have to be a certain colour, a certain religion to be discriminated against...don't you?

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after 911 people were saying it was racial profiling when more muslims were pulled to one side for checks at airports.It wasnt racial profiling it was because it was muslim men who slammed two planes into the twin towers.If it had been chineese men that slammed two planes into the twin towers then more chineese men would have been stopped at airports.

My friend has an irish passport and despite having a lancashire accent and been in england since he was 2 years old it dosnt matter how big or little a party of people he is traveling with he is the only one that gets pulled to one side at airports in england.He has never made it through an english airport security without been pulled to one side as is the same for his mother and his father.They are either extreemely unlucky or security is still jumpy about the IRA

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In September of 1939, Leo Amery stood up in your House of Commons, and yelled across at Arthur Greenwood: "Speak for England." It's about time that someone started to do that ... And speak for America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the democracies of Western Europe. We have little to be ashamed of, and much to be proud of. Whatever ... our governments are going to be forced into telling it like it is. All over Canada today, particularly in small-town Canada where most of us live, people will be chatting over coffee or beers about what happened ... there might be a few racists around; but most will be ordinary folk who don't care about labels that might be attached to them. They know they live in a free, open, multi-cultural society where girls can go to school without fear of being shot, where a gay woman can lead the country's largest Province, where adultery is a matter between a couple (threesome, four way) and their counselor or lawyer ... all kinds of neat stuff. But we have to overcome the fear of speaking out for ourselves because we are not a visible minority. We should not be ashamed of who we are. Or of living in the 21st century rather than the 7th.

And this speculation about "How could he have gotten into Parliament"? It's easy. The House of Commons is our House. And one can ... maybe now it is "could" ... wander around the Hill, check out the buildings, with minimum security. Maybe check out the National War Memorial and the tomb of un soldat inconnu where there is an honour guard, not to protect the place but to show a little respect for the remains of some poor guy who was blown to bits at 2nd Ypres, or Vimy Ridge or some other slaughterhouse, and who is a symbol for all the other men and women who died for this country. And we shouldn't be ashamed of thinking this way because it "glorifies war" or some other bs. Maybe it's time we radicalized ourselves.

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Eric the majority will always be irrelevant if they cannot stand up and say what is on their mind.
If political correctness stops us from opening up about the elephant in the room....then how on earth can we overcome the problems.

My own thoughts...for what they are worth, are that yes, there are a great number of Muslims who do no harm. Who live peaceably along side their neighbours......but that these people are conditioned by their upbringing to say nothing.....they do not criticise the Muslim men who do bad things(whether this is going to fight for IS.....or whether it is the grooming of predominantly white girls.....who they see as fair game for their sexual mores)......this is then further compounded by those who have been 'brainwashed' into disconnecting their thought processes for fear of having a label attached to them.
Together this has the potential for great harm to the fabric of western society......and we sleepwalk into it.

If we do not do what is necessary to curb these things....by whatever means that will have the effect that is required, then we can kiss goodbye to life as we know it now.

You are right, we have much to be proud of.....and what went before that was not good in our history we cannot apologise for......we were not the transgressors.....we can only learn from the lessons of the past.....if we do not do this the we are fools!

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And, thing is, we do learn from our mistakes .... maybe too slowly at times, but we do learn. As far as I know, they ain't burning Catholics at the stake over there ... not too much nigga lynching going on in Mississippi these days ... we don't hand out smallpox infected blankets to Indians any more ... Come to think of it, if we hadn't changed over here, the police and military would already be rounding up muslims and putting them in internment camps ... the way Canada treated Japanese Canadians in WWll.

Stoning to death, public beheadings and mutilations are not all that common in our world; they belong in the seventh century.:rolleyes:

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Extract from the BBC news web, dont'cha just love that backwoods spirit and resourcfullness shining through.The italics are mine.

It has also emerged that Prime Minister Stephen Harper hid in a cupboard in parliament for about 15 minutes during Wednesday's attack as MPs sharpened flagpoles to use as spears against the gunman.

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Like it or not E your government (like most) works for the banking elite and military industry (not your fellow Canadians).

Was this shooting 'another' false flag? i don’t have any absolute confirmation.But there are plenty of indications to suggest it may of been.One example is that after the shooting, the Mounties or whatever you call them asked the public not to post any pics/videos....why?

Is it because your authorities wanted to quickly seize control of the narrative and avoid embarrassments like the Boston Bombing photos showing that Craft International operatives, not the Tsarnaev brothers, carried out the attack? Hmmm

The image of a cowering Baird and Kenney hiding in a barricaded office must have proven a stark contrast to the swaggering, macho manner in which these men urged Canada to declare war on ISIS, further fuelling the flames of fear and hatred against Muslims :rolleyes:

It is kind of interesting seeing Canada collectively pee themselves while their leaders simultaneously declare their continued devotion to the countries 'values' even as they gut their democracy and rights in the wake of F18 bombers leaving to join the Iraqi civil war.:rolleyes:

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And would you not have done the same?
We can all be brave when untested(and unlikely to be).
There is being a fool and being a dead fool...and I know which I would choose.

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You do realise that there are laws regarding plagiarism

Reflections on a violent day in Ottawa | rabble.ca

If you are going to join into a grown up conversation at least use your own words and observations

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So you post that this shooting may have been a 'false flag' issue...but that you have no confirmation of this...no evidence other than some bogus stuff from disreputable web sites whose main aim is to sow dissent.....to do what you claim the Canadian government is doing...sowing propaganda.
As for the stuff about the Boston Bombings...that is another conspiracy theory...has it been proved?

Indications are not evidence...and for goodness sake you aren't even in that country. You are getting your information or misinformation from the same source as the rest of us......the media.

As to fuelling the flames of hatred against Muslims......don't you think that some muslims(namely the members of IS) have done this themselves by putting out videos of aid workers and humanitarians whom they have kidnapped, and then beheaded, has done that.

If some crazed gunman was chasing after you, I think you would do what you could do avoid being his target practice....and you might have peed yourself in the process.

You are seeing the whole situation at long distance and through the eyes of what the media wants to show you........you fail to see that in this situation there are humans who have had the life of someone they loved snuffed out prematurely, a child has lost his father.
Whether this was an act of terrorism or whether it was just someone who was gun crazy makes very little difference to you personally.

You do not KNOW and you do not have evidence...so why bother to post.

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Are you suggesting my quote was used illegally?
Have a read of this book it's very informative:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B005ZO...&robot_redir=1

I know,I should of perhaps quoted the link in but,I'm only living upto my label and "Shiite disturbing" :D.

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Eric we all know what he is, unfortunately like a spoilt child he is 'Testing To The Limits'.

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I've missed your input Less,I did wonder how long it would be before you conjured up the strength to post :rolleyes:.

Perhaps you could share your views on this topic?

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Perhaps I could, but it's obvious you wouldn't understand me any more than any other plain speaking person, whilst you are ruining Erics thread where is the point of anyone else putting forward sense you obviously can't comprehend?

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I knew I should of stuck to my guns and not posted again in this thread,fair play I'll keep quite from now on.

Please enlighten us with your opinion on this topic rather than trying to antagonise me so you can report me ;)

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You have had sensible additions to this thread, that I agree with, all of them from people that know far more than you, I would only be repeating what they have said, unlike you, I won't just keep repeating the tune I'm dancing to today.

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I know how difficult that concept is...staying out of a thread.
But it would have been better that you did rather than posting such conspiracy links.
When something of this nature happens there are (and always will be) those who want to pursue conspiracy theories......and while you may not agree with how the Canadian government run the show, you are really in no position to alter anything.......also, until any one of us is in the position of being faced with an act of violence, none of us really know how we would respond....so,it does not behove you to poke fun of the Canadian cabinet.
As for the antagonism between Less and yourself, well, the power is in your hands.
Make sensible posts and do not rise to the bait.

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Antagonism? I don't feel any antagonism towards the simple soul, however you are quite correct the power is in his hands, he posts like a complete banker.

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I like a good conspiracy theory though M,from putting men on the moon to 9/11.Folk will draw their own conclusions from my (conspiracy) links.......

....thanks for the advice, I shoulda listened sooner :)

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Be careful Less, your comments could been seen as "personal attacks" and 'you' know what happens when you make them ;)

I take it your not in the mood for sharing your thoughts on this topic just after stirring the pot?

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Yes, I live in hope that you will one day get the message.....and that isn't a conspiracy theory......the clue is in the word theory......as in not proven.

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See! You still aren't listening. Them flaps of skin on the side of your head are not just to keep your cap from falling over your eyes you know.

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OK Margaret, strike out the bit about the Prime Minister and read it again please.

"during Wednesday's attack MPs sharpened flagpoles to use as spears against the gunman."

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Why? Will it make more sense if I do that?
If I strike out the bit about the Prime Minister all it leaves is the bit in italics which you put in yourself...... A bit of nonsense about what was, a serious event.....and for those involved, fraught with danger.
Maybe it is my funny bone I need to have sharpened?

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Yes
I didn't put the bit about spears in I only italicised it.
You are grasping the wrong end of the stick/flagpole/spear.

I was complimenting the cannucks.

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How do you know I like to wear a cap,have you spotted me out and about? :)

Ok that's me done (for now).

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You seem hurt?
Someone reported you?
You got a slap on the wrist because you were out of order?
You feel bitter?
How is that whoever reported you's fault?
Learn, most of us get reported, some banned, learn from it and please improve.

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I was using his words...not mine Less.

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Ah, well now that makes sense.....now I know that you only italicised the words.
Thank you for your explanation...it is appreciated.
I was looking for something much deeper.....and missing it completely. Sometimes I need a light(but not for a fag).

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Hahaha.....no I haven't seen you out and about.....and I'm sure you will be back.

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I'm not gonna italicise as I paraphrase James Cudmore's intelligent article in yesterday's Telegraph Margaret.
.

In Cold Lake Alberta home base to the CF-18 Hornets that flew out to help the campaign against ISIL the local mosque was graffitied with "Go Home" and "Canada" sprayed in red paint.
BUT
In a few hours this red paint was gone, neighbours scrubbed the walls clean and hung signs in nearby windows proclaiming "You are home" and "Love thy neighbour"

"A great response to the backwash from a lone wolf religious crack addict" says I


* Cudmore is a senior reporter for CNBC

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And isn't that how it should be?

When I quoted the facts that we knew about this incident, nowhere did I say or imply that this was part of a terrorist plot......in fact I think that in one post I said the we did not know the motives or the metal state of the perpetrator of this act of violence.
See post 47.

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I have just read the James Cudmore article and it is balanced and fair......here it is for those who wish to read it.

Ottawa shooting: a city philosophically picks up the pieces - Telegraph

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Maybe the article does paint an accurate portrait of what Canada is, and who Canadians are. Living here, one doesn't usually give a thought as to what we have. And most of the rest of this boisterous, troubled world puts us on "ignore."

You get into the habit of taking freedom and openness for granted. It's just there like the (sometimes frigid;)) air that we breathe. Maybe more people than me actually gave some thought to the fact that, whatever our problems and shortcomings, it don't get any better than it is right here at home.

Of course, it would be a bonus if the Leafs and the Jays could make the play offs once in a while.:D

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Eric, it is only people like you.....who are there, in the country where all this happened, who can actually say whether the article was an accurate portrayal.
All we over here can say is that it sounds about right....but we cannot know for sure.....without confirmation from someone who knows.

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Would this happen here?

In a few hours this red paint was gone, neighbours scrubbed the walls clean and hung signs in nearby windows proclaiming "You are home" and "Love thy neighbour"

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We obviously don't know, it would be nice to think it would, but here is completely different from there.

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As Less says.....we really don't know......and the only way we would ever find out is if something similar were to happen here.......but oh yes, it did.....Lee Rigby.
How much condemnation of that violence was there from Muslim communities(there might have been some Muslim brothers wheeled out, but the sentiments didn't sound very heartfelt....it felt like lip service, but hey it isn't PC to say this is it?).....it wasn't red paint on the road, it was an off duty soldiers blood.
As I have said before the racial discrimination thing appears to be a one way street.

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Well the mosaic that is on the frontage of the Jami mosque in Portsmouth saying "Peace is Better" for all to see seems pretty heartfelt to me, Margaret.
I suppose the counter argument supported by the pigs head impaled on the railings of the Islamic academy is the other side of the road?

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You can paint any slogan you want on any building(you can even have it in mosaic if you want)...but unless you follow it through with action that supports the slogan, they are just words.....hollow and empty.
Does Anjem Choudhary believe that peace is better?

If Islam is such a peaceful religion, why do the IS terrorists behead women and children?

Why did they seek out and kill members of the Yazidi tribe.....who were doing no harm?.....why do they kill followers of a different branch of Islam?.......and why are the Muslims in this country not shouting from the rooftops that this is not the Islamic way????
Too many questions, not enough answers.

As I have said in the past, during my working life I have worked alongside people of all creeds, all colours.
I have got along with them. We had the same sense of purpose.....to ease pain, to offer support, to send people back out to their lives healed and well again.

I have no axe to grind with people who come here to work, to add to the fabric of our communities.....to accept that they chose to come here because life would be better for them and their families.
But when these people then decide that they want to perpetrate harm on their adopted country......tolerance wears a bit thin.....the tolerance that is not afforded to Christians in some Muslim countries.

So forgive me for being cynical about the peace slogan on the mosque in some other part of the UK.

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Have a read of the facebook pages of "British Muslims against Anjem Choudary Margaret.
You may find some answers to your questions there.
https://www.facebook.com/BritishMusl...tAnjemChoudary

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How many are there writing stuff on Facebook? Not as many as are resident in this country...the country that educates them, looks after their health and well being......pays benefits to those who are not employed.......and still they take arms against us.
As I said previously, empty words.......lip service, a bit like the politicos....what they think we want to hear.
Actions cut it words do not.
And I cannot read Facebook, I do not have an account.....do not want an account, will not get an account until hell freezes over.
When I see these same Muslims marching with placards, stopping their sons from going to fight jihad.....when Muslim clerics stop preaching that white women are for the sexual exploitation of Muslim men because they are white trash.....THEN I will believe that Muslims want no part in what is going on in Syria and Iraq, that they have an allegiance to the land they chose to,come to

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Over the years I have become distrustful of Muslims in the same way I distrust politicians....through experience of life....and this in spite of having worked for the Muslim community, and alongside Muslim doctors.
We never saw as many women walking around in black shrouds....and it is not a requirement of Islam it is an affected cultural thing.
Who knows whether the person in this garb is a woman...or maybe a gun toting man with evil in his heart and murder on his mind.

The PC culture has stopped many people from saying what they really feel but it doesn't stop their thoughts.
I have always been honest in what I post....I can be no other way. These are my own opinions...for what they are worth.

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You should be able to open that link Margaret, I too have a jaundiced aversion to FB but I do like to garner info from as many sources as possible. Your opinions even.
And not to be seen as a "volte face" aka AccyExplorer by me, I do know where you are coming from to some degree.
What chance is there for us when more attention and effort is put into voting for the hapless wannabe's on the X-factor or Strictly than for the important issues of the day?

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I can open the link, but I won't have anything to do with Facebook...nothing, Nada Zilch.
I have not formed these opinions lightly........and I appreciate that you sort of get where I am coming from...and No, I do not see it as a U turn in anyway.
We all form our own opinions from our experiences of life...whatever those may be.

Yes, I agree with your comment on voting for X factor....but those who vote for that see it as more relevant in their lives.

There have been times in my life when, although I think I am politically aware...and I do seek to educate myself on things that I am unsure of, that for reasons of conscience I have not been able to vote...preferring to spoil my paper.
I am not apathetic....I take myself down to the polling station but cannot for the life of me award my cross to any of the people on the paper.