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Accyexplorer

28-02-2015 12:54

Prince Harry leaving the armed forces

Prince Harry leaving the armed forces to pursue conservation projects in Africa

Prince Harry leaving the armed forced to pursue conservation projects in Africa - People - News - The Independent

Is it a karma thing? Kill a few (semi-defenceless) afghans then help save a few Africans....."Leaving"? I'd be surprised if the military even notice he's gone.:hidewall:

I still remember the (propaganda) interview where he had the staged call out and had to cut the interview short and run to the chopper.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6R4X7OeL3Mc

Gordon Booth

28-02-2015 13:23

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Originally Posted by Accyexplorer (Post 1134866)

Is it a karma thing? Kill a few (semi-defenceless) afghans then help save a few Africans.

Semi- defenceless? Really?

I doubt if the 3400 dead and 26000 injured coalition forces would agree with you.

He was a target out there, maybe a well protected one but the Taliban are clever, you can bet they knew he was there-a prime target.

accyman

28-02-2015 13:29

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if by semi defenceless you mean a AK47 weilding goat herder then yes i agree

and thats just the children the dads get to play with rocket launchers as well

the women ... well we dont hear much from the women they are sat at home doing as they are told

Accyexplorer

28-02-2015 13:42

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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 1134868)

I don't want to go on a prince bashing rant G, he's my favourite royal but,I doubt he's ever been in any real danger.
By "semi defenceless" I mean a rusty old AK47/rocket launcher isn't the same as a sophisticated apache helicopter.

accyman

28-02-2015 14:36

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im no fan of the royals and i agree he would be very well protected and most of the footage of him out there will be feel good propoganda but i wouldnt step foot in that crap hole even with an apache helicoptor protecting me.

even a crappy old rocket launcher can bring down a multi million pound helicoptor although admitidly if someone aske me to shoot down an apache helicoptor id ask for something a little more substantial to shoot at it preferably controlled from a remote location

Accyexplorer

28-02-2015 15:08

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However protected he was he did his service just like the next man and for that he deserves a 'little' respect,he's a good un like his mother.

gpick24

28-02-2015 15:20

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He was in Helmand same time as my step daughter and from what I've been told he did his bit.

DaveinGermany

28-02-2015 15:26

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Originally Posted by Accyexplorer (Post 1134866)

Is it a karma thing? Kill a few (semi-defenceless) afghans then help save a few Africans....."Leaving"? I'd be surprised if the military even notice he's gone

You don't half talk some shi-ite lad! Are you really that stupid or is there just something in your make up that encourages you to be so contrary? Maybe it's down to being addled through your habit?

I'm no great supporter of the monarchy (I can take 'em or leave 'em) but it's something we've got in the UK which sets us apart from other nations. There's enough folk ready to gripe about them being worthless & not worth their money, yet when you get one of them actually doing something productive & worthwhile (and I class taking out weapon toting ragheads who're trying to kill & maim our troops as a prime example of something worthwhile) there's them as'll bitch about that too!

At least the lad & others like him have served their country (unlike some) & whether you or anyone else agrees or disagrees with what our armed forces are asked to do "At our behest", at least he's protecting the liberties of you & others so you can have the freedom & right to spout your cobblers without fear or recriminations.

Gordon Booth

28-02-2015 15:36

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Both he and William did one of the hardest jobs there is- learned to fly a helicopter( and did it in combat conditions)- something I doubt I could ever learn.
For two guys in their position they've grown up just about as normal a pair as is possible and haven't been wrapped in cotton wool. Good for them.

Boeing Guy

28-02-2015 16:16

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Originally Posted by Accyexplorer (Post 1134871)

You know those rusty old AK47's still work and if your shot with one, I am sure you would not be too happy. Same with a hand held SAM, if it hits you, you're going to have a bad day.

If you want to help, those pood defenceless Afgans, I am sure we can help send you out.

ON a side note, having flown a Boeing 737 into Baghdad, Sulaymaniyah and Basra I can assure you there is lots of danger there, even for a soft civvy as myself and my fellow crew.

Anyone, including both Princes and their Uncle Andrew, who has served for our country, deserve our respect.

Barrie Yates

28-02-2015 16:29

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It is time that he kept his mouth shut about subjects that he has no knowledge or understanding of.

Accyexplorer

28-02-2015 18:40

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Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 1134879)

AccyEx goes to the stables to fetch his moral high horse....

.....It may well be "shi-ite" as you say but (like it or not) it's a opinion I'm entitled to.

The fact he's a prince is irrelevant and like I've already said the lad deserve's (a little) respect for serving his country.
After all,it takes guts (and brains) to fly a attack helicopter at "ragheads" with the equivalent of peashooters.... but like harry said playing computer games helps :rolleyes:

I apologise if my finding the fact he is killing "ragheads" as a participant in an a (illegal) war disgusting.
Contrary to popular belief, I don't think I know everything about everything.
I may be a chromosome or two away from a special parking badge and half baked but, I know blowing stuff to pieces, killing folk, and generally trying to prove you've the biggest Richard isn't the best way to make them "ragheads" reconsider their position.
Take a moment and think how many "ragheads" lives our boys have made a living hell by blowing 'their' relatives to pieces.

Accyexplorer

28-02-2015 18:45

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Originally Posted by Barrie Yates (Post 1134882)

It is time that he kept his mouth shut about subjects that he has no knowledge or understanding of.

No, it's time those with no real input did :rolleyes:

Accyexplorer

28-02-2015 18:47

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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 1134880)

Fair comment,I won't argue with that G.

Boeing Guy

28-02-2015 19:35

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I could respond to you Accyexplorer, explaining how all this started, US Embassy Bombings, Attacks on New York etc, but you really are not worth my time or effort. Go back to your illegal drugs

DaveinGermany

28-02-2015 19:40

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Originally Posted by Accyexplorer (Post 1134891)

.....It may well be "shi-ite" as you say but (like it or not) it's a opinion I'm entitled to.

Bought with the sacrifices of those military you are presently slating

The fact he's a prince is irrelevant and like I've already said the lad deserve's (a little) respect for serving his country.

And having snide digs is respect is it?

"ragheads" with the equivalent of peashooters..

AK47's & RPG are the standard for terrorists & various military forces throughout the world, hardly " peashooters"

I apologise if my finding the fact he is killing "ragheads" as a participant in an a (illegal) war disgusting.

Your opinion, fine, but somewhere you mentioned having relatives & friends in the military, so by your logic you'd sooner have them as casualties than the likes of Jihadi John & his ilk?

but, I know blowing stuff to pieces, killing folk, and generally trying to prove you've the biggest Richard isn't the best way to make them "ragheads" reconsider their position.

9/11, 7/7, Boston bombing, decapitation of aid workers & innocent civilians from aid convoys helping displaced peoples & refugee "ragheads".

Take a moment and think how many "ragheads" lives our boys have made a living hell by blowing 'their' relatives to pieces.

Believe me I have,(added to that I've also been there & done the job). Until you've walked a mile in these lads shoes & been where they've been you're better keeping your student outrage & liberal hand wringing, British self loathing attitude shelved! Until you've lived the life & seen the reality first hand your opinion is worthless.

This is just my opinion mind, same as you, I believe I'm entitled to have my tuppence worth. (But mines backed with actual experience)

Boeing Guy

28-02-2015 19:47

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Well said Dave

Margaret Pilkington

28-02-2015 20:23

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Jason by calling those Taliban fighters 'ragheads" it shows a level of disrespect.
You do not respect the British army and their role in the conflict....Remember, these lads and lasses do not choose where they will fight...governments decree where they go.
Neither do you respect the Taliban or their families.....so exactly what is the point to this thread.
You don't seem to have a fluent argument.
Yes you have a right to an opinion, as we all do....but you have to decide whether you are on the side of the bleeding heart liberals or the patriots....you know, those guys who lay down their lives so that you might have an opinion and be able to express it.

cashman

28-02-2015 20:39

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The clown that started this thread, wouldn't in my opinion,know a fact if it smacked him in the kisser,:rolleyes:

Accyexplorer

01-03-2015 00:21

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Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 1134899)

This is just my opinion mind, same as you, I believe I'm entitled to have my tuppence worth. (But mines backed with actual experience)

Watching (all be it, on the news etc) our lads/lasses (inc relatives & friends) fighting an dying, in a war we should never have been involved in, just leaves a sour/bitter taste in my mouth and I will never support their artifice.
To me, it seems reasonable to say that those fighters who are fighting with rusty (antiquated) weapons and minimal protection are braver than the average British soldier and their multi million pound weapons arsenal :eek:
Anyhow,it is fair that our military be treated with a modicum of respect,so i won't comment any further on this thread after this....

.....Take a life to save a life? I don't buy it,i'd sooner have my relatives & friends around me, is that too much to ask?.

Your (more than) entitled to have your "tuppence worth" but,with all due respect, the old "your comment is worthless" unless you've "been there & done","Until you've walked a mile in these lads shoes" & "been where they've been" is wearing a bit on the thin side.

Eric	01-03-2015 00:26

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1134906)

The clown that started this thread, wouldn't in my opinion,know a fact if it smacked him in the kisser,:rolleyes:

If there was a news story headlined "Prince Harry Walks on Water" he would start a thread titled "Prince Harry Can't Swim." It's not only conservation and helping poor kids in Lesotho that will take up his time, it's also his work with wounded ex-servicemen. And I personally don't see too much wrong with trying to help out a planet heading for hell on square wheels, and trying to do something for those poor kids whose lives start out as shiite and get worse as time goes on.

dotti34

01-03-2015 03:00

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Oh, dear! AccyX you’ve done it again. Started off a thread with an opinion then changed midstream, then back-peddled, agreed, disagreed, then tried to be of like mind with others, until I for one have no idea what you really think or why you ever started this thread in the first place.

Maybe your posting No. 120 on the Cannabis thread in which you refer to the ‘effects to the mind’ – and I’m deliberately leaving out the word ‘positive’ - explains it all…and honestly, ducky, I’m really not out to ‘get AccyX’ – it’s just that you leave yourself wide open.

accyman

01-03-2015 06:14

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we are involved in a war we have no buisness in .I would go as far to say that the terrorist strikes we have suffered and are defending ourselves from up to present day are all Tony Blairs fault who lied his arse off because he wanted a war to cement his name in history.Equally to blame are those MPs who blindly followed tony blair infact them that said things such as " i knew my constituants didnt want to go to war but i thought different " are not far behind blair with the blame for what we suffer today.

saying that ..

our soldiers are not to blame for the war they are merely pawns in MPs games of war and have to go where they are sent.

perhaps if MPs had to go to the front line of any war they decide to start they may think twice before sending our loved ones to risk life and limb

our soldiers didnt ask for this war and as safe as some may think they are our soldiers face been beheaded if captured so the more unfair it is in our lads favour the better

hyndburner

01-03-2015 08:52

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I support the monarchy as a system of government, because I feel that having a head of state ABOVE the cut and thrust of politics is a good thing. The Presidential system in other countries has thrown up some dodgy characters as heads of state.

What irritates me is the way the Royal Family has become a soap opera, with everything each of them does reported in minor detail.

What Prince Harry does is up to Prince Harry. He is entitled to the same degree of privacy that EVERY other citizen enjoys. If he served with distinction in Afghanistan, I give that exactly the same degree of respect (which of course is immense) as every other young person doing the same.

No more and no less.

Boeing Guy

01-03-2015 10:42

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Originally Posted by Accyexplorer (Post 1134913)

Watching (all be it, on the news etc) our lads/lasses (inc relatives & friends) fighting an dying, in a war we should never have been involved in, just leaves a sour/bitter taste in my mouth and I will never support their artifice.

If you bothered to research, you would see the beginings of Bin Laden's animosity towards the west, dates back yo the Iraq Invasion Of Kuwait in 1990 and the Saudi Royal family prefering American and Allied support rather than Bin Laden's Mujahideen. This resulted in Bin Laden, eventually, taking refuge in Afghanistan and issuing a Fatwa in 1998 quote:

The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies—civilians and military—is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque [in Jerusalem] and the holy mosque [in Mecca] from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty Allah, 'and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together,' and 'fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah'

The turning point was the attacks on 9/11(and please don't try to explain them as a false flag or otherwise, you will lose that arguement), this resulted in combat operations in Afghanistan and later Iraq

To me, it seems reasonable to say that those fighters who are fighting with rusty (antiquated) weapons and minimal protection are braver than the average British soldier and their multi million pound weapons arsenal :eek:

SO how do you explain how the Afghan Mujahideen managing to give the Soviet Red Army a bloody nose during the 1980's?

Anyhow,it is fair that our military be treated with a modicum of respect,so i won't comment any further on this thread after this....
Modicum.......to me ANYONE who serves in our's or our allies armed forces, derserves our upmost respect.
.....Take a life to save a life? I don't buy it,i'd sooner have my relatives & friends around me, is that too much to ask?.
I am sure most if not all of our armed forces would rather be at home with their families.

Your (more than) entitled to have your "tuppence worth" but,with all due respect, the old "your comment is worthless" unless you've "been there & done","Until you've walked a mile in these lads shoes" & "been where they've been" is wearing a bit on the thin side.

People like Dave have been PROTECTING YOUR RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH for many many years, your arguements and for that matter comments are wearing very very thin.

Less	01-03-2015 12:46

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You do realise you've just wasted a great deal of red ink?
Even if he bothers to read it, it is obvious to anyone that has half a brain he will never understand what it means.

Anyone that can be so contrary to every free thinker deserves the world that's coming to him as he does an imitation of an ostrich with his head stuck somewhere that the sand doesn't go!

DaveinGermany

01-03-2015 13:00

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Originally Posted by Accyexplorer (Post 1134913)

Watching (all be it, on the news etc) our lads/lasses (inc relatives & friends) fighting an dying, in a war we should never have been involved in, just leaves a sour/bitter taste in my mouth and I will never support their artifice.

Well bully for you mate! It's nice to have morals & standards to laud about, only your right to this opinion & dogmatic belief has been secured for you by ........ ?

To me, it seems reasonable to say that those fighters who are fighting with rusty (antiquated) weapons and minimal protection are braver than the average British soldier and their multi million pound weapons arsenal :eek:

If they're so damned brave, why do they hide behind women, kids & old people? Why don't they put on a uniform so they can be identified as a combatant instead of skulking about & cravenly planting IED's, which kill indiscriminately?

Anyhow,it is fair that our military be treated with a modicum of respect,so i won't comment any further on this thread after this....

If you wish to give our military the respect they deserve don't open your fool mouth & spout your ignorant comments.

i'd sooner have my relatives & friends around me, is that too much to ask?.

Don't you think the families of the troops on the ground aren't filled with the same desire? But they, along with most right thinking folk understand the vagaries of service life & as such bear the hardships with the understanding, that whatever their loved ones are doing is out of necessity & not choice.

Your (more than) entitled to have your "tuppence worth"

You're damned right I am, I've paid my dues to the country & it's people, even those who despised me & my comrades for trying to make the world a better & safer place & if that has to be done by force of arms then so be it.

but,with all due respect, the old "your comment is worthless" unless you've "been there & done","Until you've walked a mile in these lads shoes" & "been where they've been"

Really Fella? If you wanted your car fixing would you go to some young college graduate studying philosophy to get it fixed? Or you're bleeding badly, I'm sure you'd get the opinion of a parking attendant instead of a qualified doctor or nurse! So whose comments carry the more worth here then?

is wearing a bit on the thin side.

Much like your tedious & annoying simplistic student illogical ideological prattle

Once again, your naivety & simplistic ignorance of facts & an understanding of how nasty the big wide world can really be shines through unadulterated. Still, as you're no longer intending to comment on this misbegotten thread you started, we should at least be thankful for small mercies!

Boeing Guy

01-03-2015 14:14

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Even Dave's run out of red now. Sorry

Margaret Pilkington

01-03-2015 14:24

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 1134943)

You do realise you've just wasted a great deal of red ink?

I thought it was blood :)

US Angel

01-03-2015 23:05

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Glad my son will know he and his buddies will be safe according to your comment

accyman

02-03-2015 05:48

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Originally Posted by US Angel (Post 1134976)

Glad my son will know he and his buddies will be safe according to your comment

i recall a story where uk troops had to wear high viz jackets over their comoflauge when in afghanistan when on base which kinda makes them easy for snipers to see

this must be our governments way of leveling the playing field

jack preston

11-03-2015 21:11

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Harry was never a real soldier as is his brother,all bull.

Barrie Yates

11-03-2015 22:43

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Originally Posted by jack preston (Post 1135823)

Harry was never a real soldier as is his brother,all bull.

Does one presume that you have experience of flying an attack helicopter in combat conditions?

Gordon Booth

12-03-2015 16:06

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Originally Posted by jack preston (Post 1135823)

Harry was never a real soldier as is his brother,all bull.

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Originally Posted by Barrie Yates (Post 1135825)

Does one presume that you have experience of flying an attack helicopter in combat conditions?

Now Barry, you can't argue with an expert. jack preston obviously has inside information.

He can probably confirm Harry didn't do the 200 mile trek to the South Pole either.

Or perhaps jack preston is 'all bull'?

cashman

12-03-2015 16:16

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A royalist i am far from but Jack Preston is all bull to me.:rolleyes:

Barrie Yates

12-03-2015 17:35

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1135876)

A royalist i am far from but Jack Preston is all bull to me.:rolleyes:

Full of BS more than likely

Less	12-03-2015 17:43

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Nope I'm not a great royalist either, but the Princes have served their Country, what choice did they have? It's a family business.
They gave their service, has Jack Preston offered as much as they have?

Dav1d

12-03-2015 23:36

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 1134980)

Yes you had to do this at the main operatin base it was just a hi viz belt! With there not being any kind of street lights up it's very hard to see anyone else at night when walking around so the trucks could still see you with the reflective belts!

accyman

13-03-2015 02:27

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Originally Posted by Dav1d (Post 1135903)

the pictures shown were of our troops wearing full high viz jackets in daylight over camoflauge not belts

but i wasnt there personally so can only go off what i saw on tv and the internet

DaveinGermany

13-03-2015 19:30

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 1135908)

the pictures shown were of our troops wearing full high viz jackets in daylight over camoflauge not belts

Health & safety mate, the fact that they're in a combat zone & terry taliban is trying to blow them up & shoot them ......... go figure! ;)

accyman

13-03-2015 22:34

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between high viz jackets and tony blair and labours reluctance to equip our troops adequatly its a miracle they made it home and for those that did make it home it was in no way thanks to anything tony blair and his pals did but the fortitude of our guys and gals

its all forgotten and swept under the carpet now but at the time it was common place to hear how badly our troops were equiped and a lot had to go without basic body armour

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