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hilleluk 05-11-2017 11:56

Westminster sex scandal
 
Well this scandal that all political parties are affected by, happens to an awful lot of women in all walks of life, not a new thing...Perhaps we should ask ourselves, why now, I think this is to do with Brexit, To bring the Government down, and have another Referendum...After all it is not only men that make suggestive remarks, or touch knees, woman have been known to do it as well. only they seem to get away with it.

DaveinGermany 05-11-2017 12:44

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Originally Posted by hilleluk (Post 1203983)
After all it is not only men that make suggestive remarks, or touch knees, woman have been known to do it as well. only they seem to get away with it.

That's because blokes tend to be more "relaxed" about the laying on of hands, flattery & attention, especially from lasses (and more so if they're pretty too), probably because we like our egos massaged.

DaveinGermany 05-11-2017 12:45

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Originally Posted by hilleluk (Post 1203983)
After all it is not only men that make suggestive remarks, or touch knees, woman have been known to do it as well. only they seem to get away with it.

That's because blokes tend to be more "relaxed" about the laying on of hands, flattery & attention, especially from lasses (and more so if they're pretty too), probably because we like our egos massaged.

We really are simple creatures.

Margaret Pilkington 05-11-2017 12:48

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Well, I feel really sorry for those women who seem to be mortally wounded by what they consider to be a sexist remark.
How did these women get to the elevated positions without growing a protective hide and a bit of sharp repartee.
Andrea Leadsom for a start, Micheal Fallon is supposed to have alluded to a place where she could warm her hands...now unless he also indicated that it would be in his groin area, then this women has blown things out of all proportion....for all we know he might have been telling her to warm her hands in her pockets(not his)...so it is in her bad mind where the supposed insult has taken place.
The fact that she wanted to improve her own situation by worsening his is just 'by the by'.

All this hullabaloo about these supposed sexist insults, minor assaults detracts from the women who have been physically/sexually assaulted.
Women in these places need to take responsibility for their personal lives...they do not need to be victims and it is easy enough to sort out those men who have Desert Disease(wandering palms....a blow to the fuzzy nudgers usually suffices and is only needed one time)
If a man (or any person) speaks to you in a way that you find insulting or offensive...or touches you when you do not want to be touched(be it knee, shoulder ,elbow or anywhere more private) then you tell them, in terms that cannot be misconstrued...and tell them that any repeat of the insult, remark, touching etc will be reported...and that is it. Job done.

I think that the guys in Brussels are rubbing their hands right now to see how all political parties are in such disarray....so YES...I do think it is a distraction from the work that should be going on in Westmister to get us out of the flytrap that is the EU

Margaret Pilkington 05-11-2017 12:58

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I am heartily sick of this bit of news...it is nothing new...it has been going on everywhere for years and years...women have dealt with it...and have been respected for doing so.
We are not all little delicate flowers.
This is not to say that men have free rein to do as they please....but it assumes that all men are alike(they aren't. any more than women are).
Pretty soon the media will be having us all wearing burka's...then they will be happy.
This story is all media driven anyway. I thought that our rule of law was innocent until proven guilty....not Napoleonic..guilty until proved otherwise.

hilleluk 05-11-2017 13:01

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It would not surprise me if George Osborne was the instigator

Margaret Pilkington 05-11-2017 13:38

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He is a real snake...but Andrea Leadsom is a sneak of the first order.
Her allegations go back some five years...she is a mature married woman who has lived and worked in cut throat climates, but she felt unwilling, or unable to deal with this.
She is beyond contempt and as I said, her and others like her devalue the real victims of physical and sexual abuse.

DaveinGermany 05-11-2017 13:40

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Originally Posted by hilleluk (Post 1203994)
It would not surprise me if George Osborne was the instigator

Him or any number of other chancers! DisMay is on dodgy ground as it is due to her feeble inefficiency & lack of strength, she's heading for a tumble to my mind & the sooner the better.

What the country needs is someone in the top position with an iron will & a grim determination to get the job done regardless of any collateral damage in the process. They need to get a grip of the party, sack or promote as needed & then grasp the country with a fist of iron & tell the populace "This is where we're going, don't like it .... do one!". Furthermore they also need to put the eu & the remaniacs firmly & forcibly in their respective boxes.

All this whingey whiny snowflake bleating just detracts from the goals & aims that the government should be striving for as demanded by the populace.

taddy 05-11-2017 13:53

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Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 1203996)
Him or any number of other chancers! DisMay is on dodgy ground as it is due to her feeble inefficiency & lack of strength, she's heading for a tumble to my mind & the sooner the better.

What the country needs is someone in the top position with an iron will & a grim determination to get the job done regardless of any collateral damage in the process. They need to get a grip of the party, sack or promote as needed & then grasp the country with a fist of iron & tell the populace "This is where we're going, don't like it .... do one!". Furthermore they also need to put the eu & the remaniacs firmly & forcibly in their respective boxes.

All this whingey whiny snowflake bleating just detracts from the goals & aims that the government should be striving for as demanded by the populace.

Trust a military or ex military man, sorry, (person), to put things into their true prospective. Well spoken Sir, it is as you say, the feebleness of our elected politicions that will eventually bring this country to it's knees if we are not aleady there

Your's Taddy

taddy 05-11-2017 13:55

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Sorry about the spelling mistake in Politician

DaveinGermany 05-11-2017 14:11

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Originally Posted by taddy (Post 1203999)
Sorry about the spelling mistake in Politician

I wouldn't worry about the odd spelling mistake Taddy, there's plenty worse on here & very few on here make an issue about it. The spelling police have been given short shrift in the past & will be in the future by fair minded folk. :)

Margaret Pilkington 05-11-2017 14:26

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Have you identified someone with the cojones that could take over from Theresa May son...because if you have then you are a better person than me.
All I can see are lily livered apologists with as much bant as a wet lettuce.
She has had the hardest task since the war...and she has politicians in her cabinet that have less backbone than a jellyfish.
The possibility that this government falls and is taken over by Jeremy Corbyn fills me with despair.

all that said I do agree with your observations of the kind of action that is required.
Some of those in TM's cabinet could do with a good dose of lead poisoning.

hilleluk 05-11-2017 14:33

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Well written Margaret, agree with all your comments

Margaret Pilkington 05-11-2017 15:08

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Thank you Bea.
I cannot see anyone on the political scene that fits the bill.
All the feisty,focused, (those determined with a will of iron)politicians are long dead...and their apprentices too.

DaveinGermany 05-11-2017 15:28

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1204002)
Have you identified someone with the cojones that could take over from Theresa May son...

Unfortunately Ma, the answer has to be no! Some stand out more than others as possible leaders, but on closer inspection of the person, their attitudes & outlooks they are usually found wanting in some respect or other.

I don't believe there will ever be a 100% politico that ticks all the boxes, they will always have a weakness or hang up that will discount them, that said I'm quite prepared & I think many others are to, to accept a 75/80% perfect candidate just so long as that missing 25/20% deficiency isn't of a severe nature.

hilleluk 05-11-2017 15:40

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I'm sticking with Theresa May, there is no one I can think of that is capable of being Prime Minister.
The Leadsom woman is just a chancer.
I am not usually one for conspiracy theories, but there is an ulterior motive behind this scandal, and that is to bring the Government down, an election called, and every chance it will result in a Labour Government. if this happens everything changes with Brexit, and our Great Country will never be the same again

Margaret Pilkington 05-11-2017 16:25

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Well...I accept that 75% would be good...but I can't see anybody who comes close to that.
I am very disillusioned with the whole thing and I am getting a tad tired of waiting for some action on the Brexit front.(and this furore make me think that somewhere there is some double dealing/skullduggery and that the current hullabaloo is to cover that up. Yes, I know...cynical...that's definitely me)
It is clear that there will be no meaningful deal and Mrs May said that she would walk away rather than accept a poor deal.
So let's get our boots on and show the EU a clean pair of heels.

Barrie Yates 06-11-2017 16:14

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Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 1203990)
probably because we like our egos massaged.

That is the first time I have seen or heard that description;);)

Margaret Pilkington 06-11-2017 17:35

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Barrie...you must've led a sheltered life :)

cashman 06-11-2017 17:46

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1204057)
Barrie...you must've led a sheltered life :)

Doubt that very much, more likely through living abroad!;)

Barrie Yates 07-11-2017 15:26

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1204057)
Barrie...you must've led a sheltered life :)

Very sheltered, a little innocent lad;)

Margaret Pilkington 07-11-2017 15:34

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Yes Barrie...and I am Marilyn Monroe.
:D

RainbowSix 07-11-2017 17:15

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Ooohhh, sing happy birthday to me please..... :)
I like it when you do that Marilyn.

The media these days is all about sex scandals, be it underage sex, non sex touched my hip or said something that could in a roundabout way be construed as a sexist comment. Makes no difference whichever it is, anything for a storyline, saves having to make stuff up again.

We even have someone committing suicide because of it.

I may as well turn the TV off when the news is on else ill think the world is full of sex mad perverts. Oh hang on, it is isn't it?

Margaret Pilkington 07-11-2017 18:01

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Well, it might be...but I haven't noticed it much amongst my social circle.

I really don't think anyone would try it on with me....they know what they wouldn't get...and could be surprised at what they did get.

'Put it away lad, ahve seen more meight on a nasty fork'

RainbowSix 08-11-2017 05:59

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Not even a hug? :(


I can see the headlines now "Sex scandal as minister hugs aid"... :)

Margaret Pilkington 08-11-2017 06:52

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Some people get hugs...but not people I do not know.
During my working life I met lots and lots of people. Helped many of them to have their babies...and yes, when we meet up we do exchange a hug.
This is not a sexual thing, it is a reassuringly human interaction, a mark of genuine care and respect and I believe that life would be much poorer without this kind of contact.

People who take offence at comments or innocent actions choose to be offended.
I think much of that choice has been driven by politically correct brainwashing.
They will strive for 'likes' and 'friends' on Facebook, but shun real contact and friends in real life.
There has to be something wrong with that.

monkey hanger 08-11-2017 07:51

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People who take offence at comments or innocent actions choose to be offended.
I think much of that choice has been driven by politically correct brainwashing.


agree margaret. remember when i was a lot younger and there used to be conductors on the buses. me and a number of my mates used to try to chat up any decent looking young conductress that started. if they said no then that was that no harm done to any party but nowadays we would be classed as sex pests.

Margaret Pilkington 08-11-2017 10:54

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Originally Posted by RainbowSix (Post 1204165)
Not even a hug? :(


I can see the headlines now "Sex scandal as minister hugs aid"... :)

I also think it very much depends on your relationship with your colleagues...and also the circumstances where the hug is given.
Hugs do not constitute a sexual abuse if it is done to congratulate or to comfort someone.
Most hugs given by most people are harmless and innocent.
You can read the signals to whether a hug will be accepted or rebuffed.
I think it is a very sad day for humanity when a hug is classed as sexual harassment...we will have lost a useful chunk of non verbal communication that is better than a million words andcannot be replaced by words.

Just my personal opinion.

cashman 08-11-2017 11:13

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1204186)
I also think it very much depends on your relationship with your colleagues...and also the circumstances where the hug is given.
Hugs do not constitute a sexual abuse if it is done to congratulate or to comfort someone.
Most hugs given by most people are harmless and innocent.
You can read the signals to whether a hug will be accepted or rebuffed.
I think it is a very sad day for humanity when a hug is classed as sexual harassment...we will have lost a useful chunk of non verbal communication that is better than a million words andcannot be replaced by words.

Just my personal opinion.

Only a complete idiot would regard a hug as a sexual advance. imho.

taddy 08-11-2017 17:16

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1204187)
Only a complete idiot would regard a hug as a sexual advance. imho.

Ten or more year's ago my oldest daughter,spent four or five years and a lot of money, (1,000s) in order to pursue her dream of being an interfaith, (don't ask),
Minister.
At her inauguration,which my wife and I attended at the Monastary in a district of Mancester, we were invited on to the stage where our daughter was being presented with her certification.

As I held out my hand to other member's of the congregation, which has always been my way, I was surrounded with hugs.

Handshakes were, shall I say brushed to one side.
The feelings of friendship that my wife and I experienced that day will stay in my mind for the rest of my life.

So where does a hug constitute sexual harasssment? By the way, I have never been nor still am, I God Botherer.

Your's, a none god bothering, cantakerous old Huncoter,
Taddy

Margaret Pilkington 09-11-2017 07:03

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As I said in an earlier post, a hug can convey what a million well chosen words cannot.

When I meet former patients...and their children, it is humbling to think that they have remembered me and think enough about me to give me a hug.
I am still reaping the rewards of a very happy life choice.


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