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Where do we get these so called "Brainy" individuals that are appointed to run the country.Gavin Williamson, Education Secretary, (ex fireplace saleman); the person responsible for the A level and G.C.S.E. results fiasco is whining that, "it is not my fault".
This is the politician that when defence secretary advocated buying agricultural tractors and fitting them with guns.(cheaper than tanks).
I thought at the time, "what a splendid idea"; when the Russians start throwing cabbages and potatoes at us we will be able to harvest them in order to feed the nation.
To quote Littlejohn of the Daily Mail, "You could not make it up".
Stay happy, the Luddite.

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to be honest taddy dont think any minister from any party is competant enough to make that descision? thats why williamson left it to those who are more likely to know, obviously they didnt.

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I think that some of the problems are caused by civil servants rather than the Ministers in office.
After all, how can someone move from defence to education and have no real experience in either, but be expected to oversee that department?
Well, the answer is they aren't. It is the civil servant that makes the decisions and feeds the minister a script.
Some ministers will take it upon themselves to gen themselves up on the department they are leading, but some may not.

The other thing about the education Fiasco is that they used computer modelling.....an algorithm....which is what they did with the Covid 19 situation....and look how that turned out. It was the algorithm that created the problem.
Algorithms are only as good as the person who formulated them......so we used to call the results RIRO(that was the polite version) Rubbish In - Rubbish Out.the impolite version was SISO....you can work that out for yourself can't you.

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Can't understand that cock up, they know how many places there are at Universities, therefore how many students needed to fill those places, of course not all students go on to university they get on with real life, so, the number of pass grades equals number of uni places, plus a bit for those getting proper jobs now and a bit more for deaths from covid culling a few and there we have it everyone happy, all places filled plus it looks like teachers have also done well this year, AND, no-one blaming the politicians,, wins all around.
.:rolleyes:

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Yes, but you have to match the University places to the right students.....or it all goes Pete Tong.

Not every student who goes to Uni makes a fist of it....is that because we have given them false expectations?
I knew no-one of my age or back ground who went to University.
I do know that many of us made successes of our lives....some of us went on to further education, many took on apprenticeships.
Uni is a very expensive way to get educated(if you believe that Uni educates).

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it may be because some dont want to work for a living.

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I had considered that too....but eventually they have to work....and they have saddled themselves with a huge debt for the privilege of staying in 'education'.

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Since when?

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Well, that's the theory Less.
Whether it really happens in practice...I am not sure.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1243568]
I knew no-one of my age or back ground who went to University.
I do know that many of us made successes of our lives....some of us went on to further education, many took on apprenticeships.

actually knew a few that did including one that went to girton college cambridge. however in the words of jean brodie, they were the creme de la creme. however i imagine that many of us if we were around now would have gone. a different world nowadays regarding education. whether its a better world i really doubt it. would have loved to have done a 3 year doss drinking and partying with a bit of study on dandilions and buttercups effect on the environment.

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If I have read it right, if the student loans are not paid back after a certain number of years, then the loss is written off, (taxpayer's pay again).

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thats the way i read it also.so if they ignore whats the score then?

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I think you start paying once your pay scale hits a certain threshold....so if you never hit that then you pay nothing back.

I can't say I ever wanted to go to uni until my daughter went....and by that time I had got a lot of further education under my belt...and a lot of life experience too. But I was retired and it was not feasible.

There are quite a lot of courses at Uni that are not very good....and they certainly do not equip you for the workplace.
Employers have complained that the graduates applying for jobs are often not up to the task.

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mind you there is nothing new in that. if the jobs they applied for are of a more practical nature some graduates have always struggled. excellent on paper but thats the end of it. employers however cannot have it both ways. if they want an over educated workforce they have to put up with it. always horses for courses and will always be.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1243613]I think you start paying once your pay scale hits a certain threshold....so if you never hit that then you pay nothing back.

was 21,000 a year when it first started plus a cut off anyway on reaching a certain age. there will be thousands of thousands lost in non payment over the years when people get lost to the system. bit like the poll tax that many managed to avoid.

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Spotted this in the Daily Mail today, "We used to laugh at comedians and listen to politicians. Now we listen to comedians and laugh at politicians.
(originally written by John Oliver,Englaish-American comedian).

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Well, I agree with only the second part of that observation.

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I cannot agree with it at all.
I find the comedians of today as funny as a bad case of thrush.....and I cannot laugh at politicians either because what they are doing is definitely NOT funny....it borders on criminal negligence.
To be honest they could not organise a children's party.
I am utterly in despair with the current situation... I am sure that George Orwell quotes some salient words that would accurately represent things, but I cannot be bothered to look for them.

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How about...
Truth is treason in an empire of lies. George Orwell 1903-1950
Or maybe Joseph De Maistre.....Each country gets the government it deserves.
Thomas Jefferson also used this phrase.
So poor government is nothing new.

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so you are broke. i have been shaking two pennies together in my pocket for a month trying to get them to mate. rishi sunak. should be but its raymond chandler.

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Have you checked to make sure they are not both the same gender?
If they are you are wasting your time....but creating a pleasant jangle.

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Still got to be careful even if one has a queen and the other a king they will be closely related and breeding should be avoided.

Or is 'creating a pleasant jangle' code for such resultant offspring?
:cuddle:

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they are into all that stuff anyway so there isn,t a big problem.

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No, Less...I had no thought of that as a euphemism for a 'bunk up'.....but it is a good one.

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Probably better with a thruppeny & a penny.;)

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With intellectuals like this in its ranks I just cannot understand why the Labour Party did so badly in the election.:rolleyes:

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/202...racist-wnkers/

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read that before mate its the way labour has gone and why i have gone from them.

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Shall I draw you a picture Exile...?:D
Only joking...I know sarcasm when I see it.

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So Mancie is still about then? ;)

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Back to politicians again, it seems the "Maths magician" of the layabout party that is the abbotpotamus, has once more needed to go to the vets as shes' again caught a severe case of "foot in mouth".


https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...party-latest-b


Her latest & racist faux pas has been called out only for her to deflect as usual, what is probably more distasteful to the piquant ms Abbott, is that the following release from the plod about the attackers of one blm (thugs & criminals) activist Sasha Johnson turned out to be ....... black! Now who'd of thunk it?


https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/14...-police-invest




Once again labour highlighting their resounding qualities & reinforcing in the minds of the populace, their inability to be deemed as leadership material for the UK.

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Labour are only planning for the future, make sure we are unelectable now, let the tories sort out what will be most unpopular, i.e. how we are to pay for the Covid fiasco, then without any effort at all labour will look the better alternative.

Until then under no circumstances do they wish to appear competent.

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That I'm assuming, is going to be a bit of a first!

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speaking of labours resounding qualities i read this morning that ABBOT is saying that lass shot in the head in london was cos of her BLM stuff when in fact the police had already said it was a accidental gang shooting a wrong place at wrong time job, also Valerie Vaz says boris was not seriously ill when he was in hospital, ignoring the FACT he was in Intensive care and to think i was a member of that gang of fantasists for over 20 years i must have been crazy. NOT ANY MORE, if they plan for the future with people like that in the party they are completely finished in my view, People are not that stupid SURELY?

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[QUOTE=cashman;1254189]speaking of labours resounding qualities i read this morning that ABBOT is saying that lass shot in the head in london was cos of her BLM stuff when in fact the police had already said it was a accidental gang shooting a wrong place at wrong time job,

just more proof of how racist abbott actually is. if the lass had been white and right wing and shot by a white gang she,d either have put a different slant on it or not commented at all. its as if her and a few more of her type actually want racial troble to flare up in this country. people are getting sick to death of this stuff and the far right must be rubbing their hands in glee.

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Yes, the real enemies are Permanent Secretaries. The people in control to maintain consistency when their Political Masters are shuffled out or there is huge differentiating changes to Policies.

That's why everything in Bureaucracy takes so long, the System stops Whim of the Moment changes made by pandering, popularity seeking Politicians.

The Algebra (used to create Algorithms), is often very wrong and outdated. With the wrong assumptions used when Designing Algorithmic Outcomes. Social Models & Trends are changing all the time and Algorithm Designers are often behind.

Failure is often built-in to Algorithms. They'll deliberately allow things to get "so bad" before making any Structural change in the System. Policies & Procedures is another subject

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And that, accounts for a lot of what we are seeing right now.
Neil ferguson springs to mind immediately anyone mentions algorithms.....he got the foot and mouth predictions wrong and the Covid death predictions too...all because of inaccurate modelling.