Up to 70million investment for Accrington Town centre.
 

It is reported in the Lancashire Telegraph that up to 70 million pounds is going to be invested to bring the town centre back to a vibrant .market town.
It is aimed(says the article) at bringing in tourists to revitalise the town centre.
What do you think of this proposal?

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Read it here.

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.u...0m-investment/

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They should make the council pay it, they have ruined it imho.

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Before anyone asks, what is an escape room:-
https://theescapegame.com/blog/what-is-an-escape-room/

Though being a trendy sort of guy my front room was converted into one of those by the covid lock down for over a year I did allsorts to get out!

https://img1.wsimg.com/isteam/ip/db7...=w:400,cg:true

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1262504]It is reported in the Lancashire Telegraph that up to 70 million pounds is going to be invested to bring the town centre back to a vibrant .market town.
It is aimed(says the article) at bringing in tourists to revitalise the town centre.
What do you think of this proposal?

We have plenty of tourists in Accy town centre but only between 20-00 to
24-00 hours when the young ale heads are allowed to ruin riot and to act is if they own the place, when I do go for a pint or three it is now only in the afternoons and in a pub where I know any alcoheads or young lads after bother will be swiftly dealt with.

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I know that my thoughts were, on seeing this, that it was about 20 years too late.
They talk about turning the Yorkshire Bank building into a restaurant….or office buildings…..there are suggestions that the Market hall be devoted to small independent traders….or to make space for cultural events….so that begs the question….whose culture?
The town Hall to be refurbished to make it a suitable venue for…..what exactly.
They could spend the whole seventy million and it make not one jot of difference because the area is deprived…..and has been so for a long time.
Who needs more eateries, coffee outlets when the people of the area cannot afford to go out to eat.
Well unless they are going to compete with ‘Spoons’.
The moving of the bus Station to union street killed the market….and the market hall.
The fact that M&S is no longer a presence also had an impact.
People will not come to a town that has so little to offer.
They will stay on the bus and go to other places that have more going for them.

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I somehow think the power word in the above sentence is...

drum roll please, :theband:

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When did these people last visit Accrington ? I feel it is beyond redemption.
When I read the article about the 70 million, I was surprised to read the phrase " high end retailers " mentioned twice. Can we not have some low end retailers to fill the empty shops? When we were supposed to social distance for covid, I struggled to find anybody to avoid. We were recently in the top 50 worst places to live in the UK in front of Coventry, Barnsley, Middlesborough !
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/172252...-live-england/

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Of those 3 you mention I've been to 2 of them quite often & still do when I can get across :eek:. I assume I must be a lost cause. :D

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Yes Less….that is the operative word…..and it is pinned more on hope than on any concept of reality.

Mark….I also think that the town has gone past the point of no return…..much of this has come about by apathetic and lack lustre Councils past and present.
Which high end retailers would want to come to this town.
It isn’t exactly the bum hole of the world, but you can smell it from here.

The plans are pipe dreams and have, in my opinion, very little chance of creating anything that will return the town to its former glory.

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You can only polish a turd so much before you have to flush it away.

They would need to get rid of the entire council and get new to be able to do anything decent.
This money will be squandered, wasted and pointless crap will be the result.

70 mil will do nothing, they will squander most of it trying to figure out what to do with it. The people that really need it won't get it, the people that don't deserve it will.

They need to give it to me and I'll make the town better :)

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This escape room thing…..what the people of the local area need to escape from is councils who think they know what we need…..but never really ask what that is…..and if they did what is the betting they would still do what is best for them….and disregard what we could use.
A park and ride system…..why?
What is there to come and see….no decent shops…a market that is a ghost of its former self,
A Market hall that is half empty and what is there is not worth looking at.

Where do they get these ideas?

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how can you think when youre stupid?

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Well, Cashy…..it is what they THINK they are doing…..but really they are massaging their own egos…trying to make themselves look good…..and these suggestions are a great example of how out of touch they are.

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Complete and utter urine. How much has this cost, I could have sat in a pub and wrote better thoughts on my hand.

Every other development involves catering or something that a average city has struggled support:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:How many people go to town just for a brew, what students( has Accy now got a school in town, other than the job cent?). Look at Blackburn ghetto, they have hundreds of cafes, nearly all empty.

And it's a joke, they want to throw money again at the Market Hall and Town Hall. The Arndale is the last on the list. I thought it was meant to be a jewel moving the bus station. Is it they want to put it back:confused:

I wouldn't throw money at the town cent, spend it on recreational equipment in parks, schools and education. So when the next generation grows up they can try and right the wrongs of this shameful shambolic society our so called councillors have left us to live through.

Complete overhaul is needed.

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£70 million would be better enticing companies to set up shop in the borough, so they can afford the all you can drink coffees. The ghetto is full of drunks, beggars people who don't care. Build them a warehouse and send them there. Drop in centers for drug addicts, shouldn't be in the town cent. As It just gives more opportunity for crime. Use Accy Vic, it was a hospital once upon a time.

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Odders, I like the cut of your gib.

It is too late to return Accrington to the vibrant market town it was….for a kick off you need a vibrant market…..and our market is comatose…..and half of it has been sold off to a company that will demolish it and turn the empty space into a car park….it might not be a free car park either.
What has Accrington got that would bring drivers into town…..so car park not necessary.

These pipe dreams are arrived at by people who don’t live in the real world…..have no comprehension of what the residents needs are…..and are only interested in what could be termed ‘vanity projects’……like the wasteland that is in front of the town hall and the Market Hall.
It was going to be used for all manner of things but is just so much paved nothing.

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Think you could substitute accrington for the majority of the old northern industrial towns of a similar size. no better, no worse. lack of proper and wrong investment over the years has caused this. decisions made for tourism. come on i doubt coach companies will ever put accrington, keighley, middlesbrough etc. on their tour itineries now or previously.

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wrong mate Oswaldtwistle is still coaches come to ossy bubble factory.:D

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honestly i do not know why. its not bad but imagine there will be something very similar on their own doorstep. we have been once and its just something else ticked off the list. do locals go regularly.

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yeh it seems to do ok to me.i dont know why either.

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[QUOTE=monkey hanger;1262562]honestly i do not know why. its not bad but imagine there will be something very similar on their own doorstep. we have been once and its just something else ticked off the list. do locals go regularly.

Only if they have nothing better to do, like bathing the dog, cleaning the car, brushing the cat and the 1001 other more importent things in life. ;);),

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Think investment,esp in things like markets would be good. Independent shops,maybe highlighting some of the great architecture of the town would be good too.

I still remember going round the old outside market when i was a kid and seeing tourists from the US and Japan,as well as being able to get a wide variety of things can't now.

But the council would need to not charge expensive rents and to make it attractive to stall and shop holders.
Here's hoping

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Taddy’s Daughter….we had a vibrant market….we had a town that was busy and that brought in people from outside…..but it was left to deteriorate. It was not looked after…it was not made the most of…the potential was wasted…money was squandered.

They moved a bus station that brought people in to a place away from the market and this further cut off the economic blood supply that the market depended on.

Good quality retailers took flight….and cheap shops took their place….this is what happens in areas of deprivation

The town has had money to invest….but it concentrated on vanity projects.
These have not brought any benefits to the town and they certainly have not brought people into the town.

What are currently projected as plans….are in the same category as the previous ill considered investments..they are pipe dreams…castles in the air. They mean nothing that is relevant to the population of the town.
People spend their money in other towns that have made the most over the years of what they have.
I know I sound like a wet blanket, but we have been down this road before…..and it took us into the wasteland that we are in now.

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The council has passed the plans for the Town Centre Investment Plan. Well, of course they have….why would they not.
It involves 18 projects and can take up to 15 years to be completed.
20 million of the funding is said to be coming from the governments levelling up fund.
Further monies may be available from a Town Heritage Lottery Grant.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-59965090

https://www.hyndburnbc.gov.uk/news/c...n-town-centre/

Oh yes…a water park….this is not one of those with slides and flumes etc….it is the current Platts lodge…..not sure how it will be ‘dickied up’ to make it a water park…..but I cannot see anyone getting on a bus to visit it.

All this is said to be aimed at making the town a ‘proud, bustling, vibrant area’……dream on.

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Why don't they go the whole hog, ask for a billion that way they can settle for a quarter of a billion, with a proposal for re-developing i.e. knocking down all the terraced houses and building semis with driveways to re-house all those of us that need somewhere to re-charge our electric cars?
Going green is the answer no matter what it costs both in cash & resources,

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less dont add to the bullshine.

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They may not get the 70 million….it is not guaranteed that a Heritage Lottery Fund bid may not be successful. There are other towns similarly placed who will be bidding for money.

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Whatever they manage to get into their begging bowl no matter how small will be a golden opportunity to announce to the world how much they have achieved on our behalf and whatever and wherever it's spent, I doubt it will make one bit of difference to our lives.

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They are not in their lofty positions Less to make any kind of improvement in our lives…they are only there to big themselves up.
How much was it that PB’s lot spent on the resurfacing of Broadway with a terracotta coloured resin that was a few millimetres thin and it broke up and looked a mess…..now changed for black tarmac with yellow ‘cornflakes’ in it…..wonder how much that cost.

The whole place is tired and down at heel…if it was a horse you’d have it put out of its misery and make glue from the bones.

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and there you have hit the point. councils moan about empty shops but never look at one of the main reasons why they are. high rents which they prefer to put in place in the first place. along with the virus and much higher fuel costs i doubt many town centres are going well at the moment and could get even worse.

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"revitalise" what & how? Where's the big selling point?



"Up to 70 Million pounds??" Is this the maximum? Where are all the sources of finance?


These projects have a habit of over-spend due to all kinds of failures and other excuses.



Have none of these people noticed the massive trend away from expensive rental Bricks & Mortar retail space? Who is the guaranteed market? Who will be spending money here after getting here?



Plus adequate sensibly priced Parking and other infrastructure?


"Tourists????", who are these tourists? What meaningful market research has been done and has this market been quantified? What are the famous Accrington tourist attractions? Are we talking about poverty tourists? Like the TV shows depicting worst case families that make the viewer feel somehow superior in their own squalor. I can't think of any. Maybe someone can help me out?


No, don't bore me with Accrington Stanley mentioned in an old TV ad.



"Who are they?" Exactly.


This will be like the "regeneration" con. Those jobs have gone to low pay overseas countries and are never coming back. As usual, "consultants" & "experts" will leach as much money as they can before Contractors will throw together a snag filled cheap and badly built lump of profit.

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Skuta….I think I have already answered some of those questions.

The unique selling point of the area is supposed to be the Floral Market Town…this was emblazoned on tubs of plants and flowers which were handy targets for vandals…..as for the market…..well, that has not been vibrant or inspiring for a long time….and pretty soon there will be much less of that….it will hardly be a market at all….one fruit stall….a fish stall and a hotch potch of miscellaneous stalls hardly cuts it.

Some of the money will be from Grants from the Heritage Lottery fund….if the application is successful.
Some of the money will be from government….from the Levelling Up Fund….some may be from private investors.

I cannot think,of anything that we have…or are projected to have if this scheme goes ahead, that would generate an influx of tourists.
Yet some Market Research must have been done because they tell us that this thousand people….unless of course that is just a made up figure to bait the hook.

Like you I am dubious as to the benefits to the local residents……what is needed to regenerate the town is jobs, manufacturing jobs, jobs that raise the standards of living for the people who live here.
Until the deprivation of the area is remedied, then all this is just a pipe dream.
There really is no guaranteed market…you and I are both old enough to now that the only guarantees are death and taxes.

Accrington is one of the few local towns that has a lot of free parking.
But free parking is pointless if there is nothing worth getting in the car to see.

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i think its pretty easy to find 1000 people in accy to suit what yer saying to be honest.also very very rarely do i use the car if im going down accyi its not worth it. i walk or catch the bus only use car when im doing the BIG shop.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1262755]Skuta….I think I have already answered some of those questions.

The unique selling point of the area is supposed to be the Floral Market Town…this was emblazoned on tubs of plants and flowers which were handy targets for vandals…..as for the market…..well, that has not been vibrant or inspiring for a long time….and pretty soon there will be much less of that….it will hardly be a market at all….one fruit stall….a fish stall and a hotch potch of miscellaneous stalls hardly cuts it.

Some of the money will be from Grants from the Heritage Lottery fund….if the application is successful.
Some of the money will be from government….from the Levelling Up Fund….some may be from private investors.

I cannot think,of anything that we have…or are projected to have if this scheme goes ahead, that would generate an influx of tourists.
Yet some Market Research must have been done because they tell us that this thousand people….unless of course that is just a made up figure to bait the hook.

Like you I am dubious as to the benefits to the local residents……what is needed to regenerate the town is jobs, manufacturing jobs, jobs that raise the standards of living for the people who live here.
Until the deprivation of the area is remedied, then all this is just a pipe dream.

about time many towns actually realize that their town is not a tourist destination no matter how much money is thrown at it and it should be about residents and those from nearby towns. accrington is not skipton and will never be. doubt many even living in a 30 mile radius would ever dream of nipping over to accrington, use the free parking, for a day out. no they,d rather pay through the nose to park at a traditional tourist centre knowing but quite willing to be ripped off in some touristy shop. i,d honestly be more prepared to waste diesel on a trip to run down accy, burnley, nelson etc. than nipping up the road to haworth, but thats me.

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MH, I think you might be in a minority.
Today, Fultons in Union St were having a 50% off sale pending closing the store on Sunday.
This shop was used by many pensioners on their way back to the bus station….they would buy their bread and milk and maybe a few groceries so that they did not have to carry them very far.
I also noted that Game is closing down too….selling off their stock.
So this regeneration plan comes too late for these two stores.

There is very little to visit Accrington for and as time passes it gets less and less.

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aye but theres always the STANLEY.

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I think that is one of the only reasons why people come to the town.
But this does not benefit the town centre or the shops.

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Disagree the centre pubs and dining places do well.

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But even those have taken a hit! I remember one of our early visits, over for the footy we met up in the pub up the road for pre match Beers (can't remember the name, Oak?), next time across it was closed down. the last couple of times it was the "Greyhound" for Beers, but on my last visit in 2019 when I managed to bring my Dad along, even that was all boarded up.

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aye dave but they aint central pubs plus the greyhound had a right Obnoxious bloke that owned it we think he killed that pub.

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Okeydokey, didn't realise that as my visits were just fleeting & didn't really spend much time in there. :)

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Yes Cashy, they might have done well in the pubs….but that doesn’t translate to business in the shops, the market, the market hall…..these are dying too.
And what happens in the ‘off season’….if no one uses the town centre facilities, then they go bust…..and all because a town council moved the bus station.

Yes I guess that is a very simplistic approach….and there are more issues involved than just the bus station.
Business rates, the lack of foresight and planning (by a lack lustre council) and of course changes in shopping habits.
All of these have had an impact……but this plan is cloud cuckoo stuff.
This money and the ideas to solve the problem will do diddley Squat….too little and far too late.

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notice yeh ignored the eating places , i know for sure they benefit on sat match days.

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Well, no….not ignored.
I lumped them with the pubs because frequently pubs will be the providers of food.
And it still doesn’t increase the footfall in the shops…and as I said it is just during the season and of course it will not be every week as away games takes people out of town.
Can you see these football supporters coming to town to look at Platts lodge….laughingly termed ‘a water park’? Or any of the other things on the list of developments that might happen?

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quite a few eat in eating places not pubs, i know cos i have a mate comes up from north wales with others to the games, and they tell me.

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Ok, but would they come for anything else in the town?
And I feel sure the answer will be NO…..are any of these proposed developments going to change their minds?
Perhaps the Park and Ride proposal…..no, unless there is a move to ensure viable, desired retailers can be enticed into town….there is nothing worth parking and riding to.
And you did not address the off season…or the away day games…it is all too little.

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yeh they would they were accrington lads with family in town in fact my mates dad lived on Livingstone Rd. it may be little but it sure helps,

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Yes..it is little Cashy.

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How can anyone afford to shop in the catering establishments, if there's no jobs around???

As I mentioned earlier, the money should be spent on education and making Accrington somewhere to work. Without employment there's no hope for any catering/lesuire businesses.

You can't keep throwing money at a failing building, tonight there's kids going hungry and its not Africa it's on our doorstep in Accrington. £70 million could gét the town out of poverty, if spent wisely. You can bet the suits already have earmarked their bit, so thats now only £50 million left in the pot.;)

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The £70,000,000 would have to be spent very wisely indeed if it was to relieve the town of poverty.
There are approx 36,000 souls here so it works out at £1,944 each, hardly enough to have one bloody good party.
However if we club together we could build a hell of a good escape room and while we are in there supposedly solving inane puzzles we could be digging a tunnel through to Yorkshire and freedom!

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Out of the frying pan & into the low flame smallest ring singeing. :D

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1262787]I think that is one of the only reasons why people come to the town.
But this does not benefit the town centre or the shops.

It certainly benefits the "Peel Park Hotel" when Stanley are playing at home, I sometimes lose my favourite seat next to the bar.:mad::mad:

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would do even better if the wham was closer to the town like bradford and halifax ones are. as for the town centre and any town centre come to that its the residents of that town that have caused it some way by a change in shopping habits especially in the last two years. its difficult and i,d say nearly impossible to exit our small estate without passing some home delivary van from 7 am onwards. a case of use it or lose it. people seem to have decided that they prefer to lose whats left with their actions. must admit we are in that catogary now as most stuff is bought on line just to avoid muzzle wearing and its become habit forming.

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Do you get Tezzies? And if so, is your driver a biggish bloke with a badger beard & sticky out lugs, goes by the name of "Mick"? :rolleyes:

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I only buy online what is not available to buy in the town.
I have never had an online shop at any of the supermarkets.
I prefer to choose my own apples, cabbage and tomatoes…….so while things were at their worst we went out early doors to get our grub.
Bacon sausages and cooked meat we buy from Greg on his market stall.

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I’m becoming lazy (or maybe infirm) I find online everything to be better than having to be served by someone that doesn’t want to be there and is allowed by management to pass those feelings on to the customer.

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In Aldi you serve yourself….and I have known Greg since he was a boy…..so I get very good service….and as it is his own business he makes sure his customers are happy.
That is why when you go on Market days there is a queue.
Many of his customers he knows by name….it is the old fashioned sort of service that is very rare.

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your last sentance really nails the problem plus the past where market stall holders did not help themselves by their prices, fresh produce they sold and there attitudes.

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[QUOTE=DaveinGermany;1263027]Do you get Tezzies? And if so, is your driver a biggish bloke with a badger beard & sticky out lugs, goes by the name of "Mick"? :rolleyes

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sorry, made a mistake

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I thought that I knew a little about the scouse lingo but what are Tezzies?

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I think it might be shorthand speak for Tesco Taddy….but that is just an educated guess.

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glad somebodys an idea cos i hadnt.lol

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1263046]I think it might be shorthand speak for Tesco Taddy….but that is just an educated guess

Of Course it's an educated guess but you are not A scouser; I now await a response from somewhere in the Fatherland.:D:D

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No, that is right…I am not a scouser but I think it will be the term that those people drinking from the Mersey use for Tesco.

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What's all this then? Gang up on on the Scousling night???? :D


You're all Woolies! But at least Ma got it right, it's a cultural dialect thing for those of us North of the Mersey, but below Aughton & west of Prescot & Widnes. :s_aim1:

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Liverpool ?

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Aye mate, born & dragged up there ..... and this lot, all Scally scourging! :D

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It was not hard to work out son…in fact I would have been surprised if it had been anything different.

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[QUOTE=DaveinGermany;1263055]What's all this then? Gang up on on the Scousling night???? :D


You're all Woolies! But at least Ma got it right, it's a cultural dialect thing for those of us North of the Mersey, but below Aughton & west of Prescot & Widnes.

All Woolies eh? If you wish to describe the good folk who live on the backbone of England where the thoughts of men are as pure as the water that drains off the fells and where the men are men and the sheep are glad of it then please refer to us as "Ovine" not Woolies or Woolybacks. Thank You. P.S. you probably know Woolworths as Woolies.

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I thought that was Welsh Wales? ;)

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[QUOTE=DaveinGermany;1263115]I thought that was Welsh Wales?

As well as.

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So, do you nip off early before closing time to make sure you don't end up with the fat ugly one? :D

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I thought that was what beer goggles were for…..so that you did not care if you got lumbered with the fat ugly one……though I was told by some sage person ‘you don’t look up at the mantelpiece when you are poking the fire’.
Taddy, if you need that translating(which I doubt) then don’t come to me :D

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icompletly ignore whatever SAGE SAY Margaret. Had faith in them at the start but soon learnt my lesson.

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With beer goggles you're right, there is no fat ugly one ... Oh but when they fall off!!!!:D:D

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Yes but isn’t that what the paper bag is for?

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Cashy I had no faith in Sage from the outset….it was loaded with scientists who were not suitably qualified to deal with the issues……it lacked virologists epidemiologists, but was heavy on those who were tightly aligned to those who would profit from this pandemic…..Whitty.Vallance and Van Tham were all heavily involved with Pharma. And of course the Modellers like Neil Ferguson(who has not been even close to correct in ANY of his prognostications)
To me that counts as a conflict of interest.
There were of course other members in the government who would become rich as a result of contracts for PPE….ok, so they were not SAGE members, but they were still promoting and providing the fear generating propaganda.

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[QUOTE=DaveinGermany;1263205]So, do you nip off early before closing time to make sure you don't end up with the fat ugly one?

Come on Dave, if I answered that I think that I would be looking at a rather large divorce bill and after being wed for nearly sixty years I could do without that. ;);)

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ah well it took me a bit to find out the score with em i didnt know any of that then.

Re: Up to 70million investment for Accrington Town centre.
 

So you do then! Hustling up the street with your special wellies on while your mates are still finishing their pints! :D:D

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What paper bag? :D

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Cashy, I looked them up…I researched, I read a lot of stuff….and what I learned did not instil me with confidence in the abilities of those advising the government.
As soon as the first case was discovered the airports should have closed…..all travellers in transit should have had to quarantine for a minimum of two weeks.
It was ludicrous to put infected patients in DGHs……where all wards share the same air conditioning and heating ducts…..all a means of ensuring the transmission of the infection.
All infected patients should have been housed in isolation facilities.

I am not a scientist, but these measures all appear to me to be ‘common sense’.
Yes I know that I will get told that this was an unknown quantity….but being such it should have been treated as if it was the plague.

Re: Up to 70million investment for Accrington Town centre.
 

Oh come on son….you must have heard ‘ugly enough to be a two bagger’.

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Oh aye, heard of that, but looking round for a bag while befuddled with Ale isn't really a priority. :s_aim1:

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No son, that isn’t how it works…….weren’t you in the Boy Scouts……you go out ready prepared.
One in your back pocket.

Re: Up to 70million investment for Accrington Town centre.
 

Mi dad had a saying - " Hoo weren't th'ugliest woman Ah've ever sin - but hoo certainly favvered her "

Somebody famous said " Common sense isn't all that common"

Cashy - I think you landed on yer feet.

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[QUOTE=DaveinGermany;1263219]What paper bag?

This will not go down very well with the femanister brigade but I was always led to believe that the paper bag was to be placed over the said "ugly womans" head prior to ?????. By God I think that I will now be in more than a spot of bother with (certain) member?s of this site but never mind.;);)

Re: Up to 70million investment for Accrington Town centre.
 

The truth will always out Taddy, the only complaints you can expect will be from those ugly on on the inside!

Re: Up to 70million investment for Accrington Town centre.
 

beer goggles were like face muzzles. always refused to wear em just in case. rather be lonely sobering up on my own in my own pit.

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It is two years today since more than 800 people coming into this county were transported to quarantine facilities for a two week quarantine.
Now that was a wise move….but then flights were landing…lots of them and there was not one check on where these incoming travellers had been, what their health status was and they were left to mingle among us.

How foolish was that move….which of the SAGE scientists thought that this was a bright move?

We will never know.
Like we will never know the data from the Pfizer vaccine (I use the term vaccine…though this jab does not conform to the medically accepted criteria of a vaccine) studies.
Why does Pfizer believe it necessary to hide this data for 75 years…..and that will mean that most of those who were given this jab will have left this planet……and cannot hold Pfizer to account.
Not that any litigation would be possible anyway seeing as the drug companies have been granted immunity from litigation.
These two things the beg the question….what is it that we are not allowed to know?

These two things do not inspire confidence in any jab…..and this has been administered at least three times in less than a year.
We are being told that this has reduced deaths from the virus….but we all know that figures have been fiddled with.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1263210]I thought that was what beer goggles were for…..so that you did not care if you got lumbered with the fat ugly one……though I was told by some sage person ‘you don’t look up at the mantelpiece when you are poking the fire’.
Taddy, if you need that translating(which I doubt) then don’t come to me

:tongueout:tongueout:tongueout:tongueout

Re: Up to 70million investment for Accrington Town centre.
 

I see that you are fluent in ‘long bacon’ Taddy :)

Re: Up to 70million investment for Accrington Town centre.
 

[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1263303]I see that you are fluent in ‘long bacon’ Taddy :)

This one you (WILL) have to explain to me Marge, Don't forget that I am only a Hillbilly from "UNCOTE", "long bacon" is not in my vocabulary.

Re: Up to 70million investment for Accrington Town centre.
 

You must be using a different dialect to the mine, I thought Long bacon was putting your thumb to your nose and wiggling your fingers. a similar sentiment to putting your tongue out.

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i,m lost with this long bacon thing.

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It can be used like you said Less or a hand either side of your head and pulling your tongue out….both are considered to be ‘long Bacon’ where I come from.

Re: Up to 70million investment for Accrington Town centre.
 

[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1263325]It can be used like you said Less or a hand either side of your head and pulling your tongue out….both are considered to be ‘long Bacon’ where I come from.

Thanks for that Marge I am always willing to learn.

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You are welcome Taddy…..always ready to help if I can.