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This is a complete farce. Billy big balls should start looking after his children. He cannot even look after a family home, let alone the country. Surely after the lies overall he might have been given a pass. Unfortunately you can't just keep saying sorry, bow out. Ido think Cummings has played apart because he's scorn. Bottom line is, whilst theyhaving it large. We lost our loved ones, adhering too the rules. Balls, he should just go...is GJ his spin doctor.:hehetable:hehetable:hehetable:tongueout

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well if you want starmer that says much about you.

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[QUOTE=cashman;1263271]well if you want starmer that says much about you.

I will second that motion

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go or stay i,m not bothered which as long as its the best decision to keep out labour at the next election. if they had been in charge i have a feeling we,d be like canada, australia and new zealand now.

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Quite possibly but idiots have not the sense to grasp the fact.

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While all this wrangling is going on the business of the country is not being dealt with….and who knows what else is being buried.
Odders, it is a fact of life that to be a politician you have to have the ability to look someone in the face and lie to them….you have to have the ability to con the electorate.
The days of politicians going into politics to make our lives better is long long gone……anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded.
They are not in it for us…they are in it for them.
Once someone is elected, they are elevated above us….the hoi-polloi.
So they feel that they are not confined by the same rules…..they grow a sense of entitlement.

You mention that Dom Cummings has a part to play in this…yes he has and don’t forget he is a liar and has admitted it.
He is a bitter man who has knowledge of stuff that we are not privileged to know….that he uses it to try to gain personal revenge makes his testimony questionable.

If the PM is unseated the who do you see who has the cojones and the wit to take over the reins.
Or do you want another election?

If Boris stands down will all those who had restrictions imposed on them….for weddings, funerals, for their visits to the elderly parents in care homes be consoled?
I was one of those who had to have a very limited funeral for my much loved mother…..with only 8 mourners allowed….in spite of the fact that there were seven children and innumerable other relatives who were unable to attend.
Boris being unseated will not alter what went on in the past…it is time we put down this media feeding frenzy and got on with the business of the country.

This political in fighting is doing the country no favours

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Starmer let Jimmy Saville off the hook when he was at the D.P.P. to me thats far worse.

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Where did I mention any of your outbursts??? Please show me...

In fact if anyone should be leading this country, its Brother Rishi.

Jimmy Savile should have been prosecuted way before Starmer was is nappies. Your making yourself look stupid. You hate Liebour. Don't act like one of them EDL Pricks(remember them?)

Before go mental accussing, remember it's an open forum for debates. Do you want this place quiet again?

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Time for your own calm down pills I think, Cashie didn't have an outburst nor did he make himself look stupid, he just put forward a couple of observations that anyone is allowed to make on here.
:rolleyes:

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Why are you speaking on his be half. Say your piece but how do you know someone's thoughts wizard?

Internet troll

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Thank you for proving my point, you really need to calm down.

As for knowing his thoughts...

...he puts them onsite in what are known as posts, it isn't magic!
:bangh8::signthis:

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you cant put sense where there is none less,

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Was that one of your thoughts or a statement of fact? I can't really tell anymore.
:D

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Has anyone considered that those conservative politicians who are calling for Boris to be unseated might have ulterior motives?

And Dominic Cummings who is stoking the fire is a self confessed liar….and as bitter as the stuff you paint on a nail biters nails.
Not a good combination for getting the best information.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1263333]Has anyone considered that those conservative politicians who are calling for Boris to be unseated might have ulterior motives?

but these motives might be the fact of losing their seat at the next general election if he is still in charge. if they feel that way you cannot blame them as he could be the reason some may be looking for other jobs through no fault of their own.

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Weĺl dòne gentleman, you trolled me and didn't answer the question.

You want debate and a open forum?

Nah its likes a old mans pub. ,caarry on you addicts.

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MargP **** you carrry oñ with this nonsense? We should go faxefùcķ.?....

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Ñever known a dying forum....who wants to die???

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For some reason I do not understand your post at all Odders.

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[QUOTE=monkey hanger;1263338]If constituents are happy with the performance of their MP, then they will be re-elected…if not they will get replaced.
If constituents feel their MP listened to their concerns but were not in a place to influence the things that went on within the party, then they will be re-elected.
If the MP was a part of what went on, then they will be replaced and it is their own fault.

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Mate ... don't take it so personally, relax a little. ;)

Point 1) That's just Cashys way, he's pretty blunt in his responses & doesn't mince his words.

Point 2) Ricky Sunsak, not my choice, don't see him coping in a leadership position.

In fact I can't really see any decent options amongst the present crop of politicoes regardless of party.

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its what i think of a certain person less. i am blunt but can anyone ever remember me F.ing and blinding? like some.

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I haven't swore, its the filter thats deemed my word unmentionable.

I will re read and try and put it ás to were I don't look as crazy as I am.

Im not out to troll or cause nonsense. Im trying to get a response to the question posted. Why post if your judgment is shoot them down. At least back it up...

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Thanks Dave... now i know why this place has died its death. You can't ask or debate because even the question you post is jumped upon.

There's a few people who try too keep this forum going. Unfortunately some folk believe it's theirs and if you speak out. Well god forbid....*******

Open forum....nah its a select few who play God....idiot's.

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^ again.....

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I think people have answered your question Odders.
That we can see no one who is (in our opinions…..and that is what you are asking for) up to the task of running the country satisfactorily, is an answer.
If people have extended their answers by telling you why they feel certain persons are unsuitable, then that is fair enough…because it IS an answer.

It seems to me that you have a problem with some forum members here.
The forum is not dying because of these people posting, but because others come, read, but do not commit to participating.
It is participation that makes the forum live.
I post this with sincere respect for you and other posters to the threads.
I may not agree with what they post…I may not like what they post….but they are posting…not ghosting.

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There's a few people who try too keep this forum going. Unfortunately some folk believe it's theirs and if you speak out. Well god forbid....*******

Open forum....nah its a select few who play God....idiot's.

I think that you really should pay a visit to a circus and seek the advice of the person who rides a one wheeled bycycle, better known as a "Trick Cyclist", they will probably book you a bed where someone can look after you.

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Taddy, Trick cyclists can only do so much…they do not(to my knowledge) perform miracles.
It was JC who did that and they crucified him too.

We are all entitled to our opinions.
The forum gives us a platform to express these….and the good thing about opinions is, they are all in varying shades….wouldn’t life be dull and boring if it were not so?

However, that said, there is a way to put these opinions forward, moderately and with respect…and I know that sometimes it might be hard to stay courteous…..but we have to try.

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the whole thing is not about opinions but how they are voiced. always find it harder to communicate on a forum than having a didscussion face to face with anybody. my brain goes quicker than my index finger and forget half the stuff i was going to post in the first place. her in the kitchen has the best idea, she writes it down first and then copies it when she goes on haworth on line till she got banned anyway. i,m just too lazy to do that.

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I seem to remember, somewhere on site a certain someone posted that they have lung cancer, now, it may be depending how far down the road he has gone it could just be that a lot of the outbursts are being assisted by the meds he is on????

I don't know, but if that is the case, if it helps him he can rant at me as much as he likes it's doing me no harm. I do hope it makes him feel a little better to have someone to shout at while going through whatever.

Only theory, I'm quite prepared to be shot down in flames.

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To be blunt, I agree with Odders. Johnson is a deceiving liar whose only interested in his own political survival. The argument that 'nobody else is fit to do the job' is irrelevant when the present leader is not fit. He will probably cling on until he is backed into a corner where he has to resign or his back bench will step in to replace him ( they, also are primarily concerned about their own political futures).
The link between Starmer and Saville has been discredited, by the way. In truth, the whole country was deceived and taken for fools by the odious Saville.

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Yes that may be so Less….and if it is then there is a good chance that there is lack of oxygen in different anatomical places.
If this is the situation then my thoughts are in line with yours Less.
Whatever gets him through……

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You say that the ‘no one seems to fit’ is irrelevant…but it is not.
Does it seem sensible to jump from the pan into the fire?

It is time a line was drawn under all this media hoo-haa-ing and the business of the country resumed…..we have an awful lot of things that need sorting.
A looming energy crisis, a financial situation that is going to impact on the everyday life of us all…..and it is not being addressed.

All politicians are in it for what they can get out of it…they are not in it for the good of our health.

As for Keir Starmer…he is an opportunistic jumper onto band wagons…..and if you asked the man in the street what he stood for….I would guess that not one would be able to tell you.
He is a very weak opposition leader….and certainly has nothing about him that picks him out as a leader.

As for the discredited links between the KS and JavaScript affair.
It cannot be denied that KS was the director of public prosecutions ….the most senior role in the CPS….in 2009.
JavaScript was subject to four complaints which stemmed from 2007-2008.
KS was interviewed under police caution in 2009 ( while KS was head of the Crown Prosecution Service) the decision was taken NOT to prosecute him.
I cannot believe for one moment that KS was not involved in this decision in any way.
As a result of this JavaScript was allowed to continue with his abuse and he went on to die a free man….and it was only after his death that the enormity of his offences came to light.

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WHO has it been discredited by? YOU?

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The people who wish it was discredited are probably remoaners?

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In my post above where the words Javasript appear….that should say Jimmy Saville, but I could not bear to put his name in print so I put his initials and my device has changed it for what it thought I meant.

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Cashy, it has been mooted that KS did not deal with the case of the pop paedophile, but he was head of the CPS so it is very likely that he did know…..but may not appear on the documents.
In much the same way as the PM should have known what was going on in Downing Street…..and yet, all these partying people were working in the same bubble……it is just that the bubble was too big.

It strikes me that the moves to unseat BJ and replace him might have some sort of hidden agenda.
That someone will be installed in number 10 for a specific purpose…or is that too much of a conspiracy theory?

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Ok Less, point taken

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[QUOTE=Less;1263379]

I don't know, but if that is the case, if it helps him he can rant at me as much as he likes it's doing me no harm. I do hope it makes him feel a little better to have someone to shout at while going through whatever.

Only theory, I'm quite prepared to be shot down in flames.

Ok Less, point taken

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Cashman 'WHO has it been discredited by? YOU?'



Munira Mirza has, it would seem. She's (or was) one of Johnson's closest advisors who had previously been called a “nonsense detector”, has resigned over the PM's Savile jibe saying 'There was no fair or reasonable basis for that assertion. This was not the usual cut and thrust of politics ;it an was inappropriate and partisan reference to a horrendous case of child sex abuse”.
And Yes I said it has been discredited. So who's going to stop me having my own opinions ? YOU?


Cashman 'The people who wish it was discredited are probably remoaners?'



Well, that just makes you look foolish.

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Because this close aide has quit only means that she does not agree with what BJ has done….and the way it was done.
She is entitled to do that if she so wishes.

There may not be documentary evidence, but it maybe someone has spilled the beans on what went on when KS was DPP…..we know that there is very little loyalty in these political circles.

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:)
Why is it a given that we would be jumping into the fire?
Sunak , Truss or even Hunt. One of these or somebody lesser known might prove a resounding success.
Keir Starmer will not get a chance anyway until the next election but to describe him as a band wagon jumper when you compare him with Johnson is laughable (ask Teresa May).
If Johnson digs in and survives he will simply take it on board with a swagger. He'll be encouraged that he can get away with anything because of his majority, will consider the opposition too weak and will think his back benchers will back him no matter what. Johnson can't change his personality and sooner or later he will crash again.
In fact, when he went to Kiev this week , I half expected us to be at war with China the following day.:)

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Nope, sorry none of those that you mention have the qualities of a leader…but of course this is just my opinion.
You say the MIGHT be a resounding success…..might is not good enough and neither are they.

I think any of those would definitely be a hot coal situation.
Not only that, this is not the time to be catapulting one of these into the current situation.
But I have to say I do admire your optimism in your choices.

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oh I didn't say I was optimistic or that they would be my choices. They're the ones the real power in government has. The back benchers

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Sorry, I thought that you suggesting these meant that you felt they would be suitable….as for the backbenchers…they are backbenchers for a reason….they have little or no track records to qualify them for the role….and we have nothing much other than perhaps a speech or two to judge them by.

I wonder if people ever watch the daily doings in Parliament…it is most enlightening eye opening.
I sometimes wonder how some of those representing us managed to get into the PoW….yes they were elected…I,know, but how?

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Actually I think I would pin my vote on the minister who resigned in the Lords (can't think of his name) for being told to forget about tracing 8.4 billion in fraud during the pandemic. Now there was a guy with some principles.

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I think you might mean Lord David Frost.

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Oh yes, Sunak has eyes on the job of PM and what do you know Munira Mira is a pal of his.
As I said there is no loyalty within the political circles.

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Lord Agnew who delivered a passionate resignation speech accusing the treasury of having "little interest in the consequences of fraud to our society." Not the most well known figure but I did admire his commitment.

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I know nothing of Lord Agnew….and I watch quite a lot of Parliamentary debates.
This is one I must have missed….so I cannot comment on whether he would be a good candidate or not.
However, I do not think that principles are enough….there has to be an element of cut and thrust.

Also in a previous post my device converted Munira Mirza to Munira Mira.
Well, that is my excuse and I am sticking to it.

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That's a few of the old posters back. Thanks....

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My health has zip to play. I asked a genuine question, Less took it as a dig at me because he's talking for someone else , I question it. Have you actually read the pathetic nonsense. ANYWAY I GOT 4 PAGES AND #50 REPLIES.

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Keep going Accringtonweb!!!

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its because people either vote for the party itself or its leader. how many actually know the name of their MP but know which party he represents at the time of the election. i know mine, but unlike years ago i have no idea of the names of the ones bordering my constituency. know some do not agree with me but its all about the leader nowadays.

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I know both….and I do not have a party allegiance either for national or local politics.
I carefully consider where my X goes.
I try to place it in the box of the person who tells me the things that are going to improve my life…..and I look for the evidence to support these promises.
I am not Labour….but I have voted for them in the past…..for a local man who I thought was well placed to know and understand the needs of the area…..and would work on our behalf to improve the town.
That was a mistake…..I have voted Tory…..a bit begrudgingly, I have spoiled my paper a few times….I don’t think I have voted for the Lib Dems……and I KNW I haven’t ever voted for the Green Party.
There are too many politicians who are in it for themselves….career politicians who have no real interest in the lives of the ‘little people’ that the represent.

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No party other than boris lot said they would honour the brexit vote, so they can all get stuffed for me.apart from boris and his crew, i am very sad to say that but i do NOT say anything i do not mean.

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Sunak is showing his true colours…..and I feel that Mirza quit to cosy up to Sunak in case he gets the top job.

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but a new leader may show less interest in green policies and the net zero impossibility.

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that want sorting but boris was elected to get us out of the E.U. simple as that comes later imho.

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Well credit for him for doing that, but this green agenda affects us more in our daily lives and future far more than brexit really did. Cannot see that leaving the EU really affected my life for good or evil but this green rubbish will certainly do both financial and how we wish to live our lives. Would have to suck it up if the world followed us which will not happen. Some countries will be laughing at it all the way to the bank and cannot wait for it to happen.

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we will have to disagree on that i voted us to join the common market in the 70s, was ok in it until it was no longer just that.imho like i said the green crap needs sorting but for me AFTER.

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[QUOTE=cashman;1263572]we will have to disagree on that i voted us to join the common market in the 70s, was ok in it until it was no longer just that.

voted against it in the 70,s as back then i thought it would be a seed that grew. think a lot who eventually wanted out did not want this federal state of europe that many want where our parliament would be like a town council. that what gets me with sturgeon and scottish independance. fight for it, win it and give it away to europe on the next day.

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Apparently he's had it pointed out to him by numerous folk & now, to pull back his chezzys from being cremated in the blast furnace he's looking into, he has "promised", to make changes ....... :rolleyes:


https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...2/boris-johnso

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I do not agree that the EU did not impact your life.
It had very many effects that were not good for us personally and for us as a nation.
We were big contributors to the funds of the EU……I think we paid in something like a fifth of the total budget.
Where do you think this money came from?
It came out of your pocket.

When we went in it was a trading agreement and was called the Common Market.(I voted against it because I was suspicious of Germany and I knew that France hated us and I wanted no part of anything that had those two countries in it)

This inferred that we would get benefits of trade….but these were limited because as usual the Brits played with a straight bat….other countries like France, well they cherry picked the rules that they would follow and that would benefit their people.
Do you know that the EU passed regulations that meant UK tenders for work or services were at a disadvantage?(Bombardier for instance were weighted so that Siemens got the contract for the work involved in railway work…...meant jobs lost)

How much do you think it might have cost to go from Imperial measures to the continental measures….feet and inches out…..cm and metres in….on a directive from Brussels and believe me there were many of these edicts that were issued from there.

These would all have an impact on your life….but it maybe that the insidious nature made it seem like not much affected you.
When John Major signed the Maastricht Treaty….that was when it became more political and what the EU wanted was to have the UK in its grip…..a state of the confederation of the Union.
I voted against the Common Market….I had very many heated arguments with my dear old dad telling him that the trading agreement was just the worm on the hook…that what they wanted to do was what Germany failed to do….and do it without a shot being fired.

So with the greatest respect to your opinion I have to disagree

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As for the Green agenda….the UK produces less than 1% of the greenhouse gases that are supposed to create climate change.
So whatever we do in respect of going carbon neutral will have absolutely no effect.
Until the countries that create the problems make efforts to reduce their carbon footprints it is all worthless.
While we are demolishing coal fired power stations, China is building them….and has no intention of changing what they do.

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everything you have written is totally correct and the reason, especially the straight bat comment, was the reason i voted to get out. its just my own personal circumstances that did not change financially by being in the EU or out. as for buying british though the thought of having to drive a new version of an austin allegro fills me with dread.

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i had an allegro back then can honestly say WORST car i ever had.

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Although you say your financial situation did not change….in actuality it did. Imagine how much better off you might have been if we had not the responsibility to commit to the EU budget.
It also impacted on jobs and wages……it impacted on the products you bought, they told us which fish we could catch and eat, which apples we could grow….we could not buy bent cucumbers…there were so many intrusions into our lives.….VAT…..you may not have noticed these things, but believe me they were having effects on how people lived.
There was the Working Time Directive the European Commission of Human Rights….and many legal eagles got fat on that one.
It was not as if there was no bill of human rights until the EU came into being.
People came from the EU…..worked here, but sent the money back home to Poland where it would buy more things, build new houses…..so it did not even help our economy…..well, you might say that these worker paid taxes….yes, they did, but they claimed child support for children that did not even live here…..so what they paid in tax was given back….and probably a bit besides.
So, MH that is my reasoning for the disagreement……but I can identify with you not wanting to buy an Austin Allegro.
I also voted to leave because it was getting like we were going to become a ‘shire’ of the EU

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Nah, a shire is worth living in, since joining EU we were part of that 'great' achievement the channel tunnel which put us in a cul-de-sac (French for dead end) I've never liked that.
Twas always better when we relied on ferries and when the rough weather came in used to leave the European continent isolated and alone without us, bliss.

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Lord Agnew recommended a Hong Kong Conglomerated to produce and provide PPE at the start of the pandemic, so not sure where that puts him the the 4 billion fraud thing.
The other thing about someone to take over from Boris…..while you might have faith in Lord Agnew….he could not become Prime minister….none of those who sit in the Lords can return to the Commons.
Prime ministers are elected only from the Commons.

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UK, a protectorate of the Großdeutsche Reich & Penal colony if the eu-rinal had gotten their way.

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things might have changed but didn,t tony benn renounce his peerage to get elected to go back into the commons. Agnew could do the same and get elected in a by election.

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and plenty of british people would actually support that idea which would make it worse.

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Lord Hailsham did the same….Tony Benn was the first Lord to do this……so perhaps Lord Agnew could do that too….but he would have to be selected and win a by election first….so not an immediate solution.