The drive for net zero.
 

How do you feel about the drive to attain net zero?
Given that this country produces less than 1% of carbon emissions I think it is a daft idea.
Wind farms….useless, ugly and when the life of the turbine is over it is impossible to recycle.

Electric vehicles…less polluting…no, they aren’t.
They are expensive to buy…expensive to run and when all the petrol and diesel vehicles cease to be, then whichever government is in power will tax them to the hilt too.
They are harder on our roads because they are heavier, they produce more particulate pollution from the tyres.
Oh yes…and charging them once we are all using them will be a problem because the National Grid has not the capacity.
Another thing….this electricity that you use to charge this green vehicle…remind me how it is generated.
Oh yes…it is all coming back to me…it is generated using fossil fuels….how green is that?

Are you ready to give up your gas boiler in favour of a heat exchanger?
Well, if you are be sure to buy yourself a lot of warm woolies because if you don’t then you will be shivering even in a mild winter..oh yes and your bills will be bigger and your water will be lukewarm.

How do you feel about a levy of £170 being added to your power bills to fund the research into green energy?

If the government really wanted us to all go green they would give grants for the installation of Photovoltaic panels to every house in the country.
These generate power not just from sunshine, but from any source of light.

Ok…over to you!

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IMO it's just another way for the government to control us and charge us for doing it.

The whole thing has been shown to be a load of garbage, the reasons for the ULEZ has been shown to untrue, the whole electric car thing has been shot down.

I do need to replace my gas boiler and it will be replaced with another gas boiler.

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There is evidence that those climate change scientists have been manipulating the figures to support this climate change crisis theory.

That scientists who say that the climate change claims are false not being given a platform to debate the issues and that those who say this is just a cyclical change are being silenced.
Pretty similar to those who questioned the stuff on Covid.

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Oh yes…those in Westminster will never be cold they generate enough hot air to warm half of the country…shame this cannot be captured for use when the icicles hang off your nose.

Hey…maybe they are the CAUSE of climate change.

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Net zero was always a load of rubbish, in my opinion.

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It still is a load of rubbish and come the next election I will vote for whichever party says they are going to abandon these loony targets…and remove the green levies from our power bills.

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It's okay for the MP's promoting Electric Cars, when infact most of them aren't using one and they aren't living on a row of houses built in the 1880's which weren't designed for car use. My street, Nuttall Street in Accrington has 5-6 parking spaces for about 30 houses. I think this would be the same for most houses built during the industrial revolution.

Thankfully I'm at an age were my current car will be the last one.

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Ryewolf, your comment relates to lots of things that are going on right now.
The MPs live in a protected environment, by that I mean they have the money as a buffer to stop them being affected by the cost of living crisis, they have the convenience of having their expenses paid for by you and me.
They are not going to have to worry how they pay their rent, their council tax, their power bills….and the rest.

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What a cracking post, I am with you all the way Marge. this island of ours and it's seas, sit upon some of the earliest and most plentiful coal and gas deposits in the world and yet Maggie's government shut down most of the coal mines in the UK in order to spite the N.U.M. and allowed coal to be bought and brought in from Poland and other shall we say countries from (behind) the iron curtain.

OK, it maybe uneconomical to re-sink shafts and re-open new coal mines but surely we can still exploit the gas fields that surround this island of ours's.

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Oh, You must be the same age as me.:D

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Thank you Taddy.
I like to post something to stimulate discussion.


You talk about this island and the seas.
These seas are the answer to generating green energy with such security of supply that we would be envied by land locked nations.
Two tides per day…guaranteed. But they say it is too difficult to execute.
We can put men on the moon, but we cannot work out a way of harnessing the energy of two tides per day.
Instead we rely on those ludicrous wind turbines that sometimes have to be turned off because the wind is too strong and then on the other days there is no wind at all….so nothing produced on both of those times.

Those just stop oil loonies…I bet all of them have mobile phones…made of plastic.
Where do they think the plastic comes from.
Those hi vis vests…how do they think they were produced.
How do they get to the venues where protests take place….did they walk(if so I apologise for my sarcasm)…but if the drove there….shame on those hypocrites.
If they took public transport…do they think the buses run on fresh air…or the tube trains….are they running on the electric produced by…..wait for it….fossil fuels.

They want us to go back to the dark ages.
That would suit them.

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These Just Oil Loonies are just virtue signaling, a number of the that were arrested had big 4x4 Land Rover Discoveries and they probably went back to their luxury 4 bedroom homes that have gas central heating and none solar powered electricity, all fossil fuel base.

The youngsters on these demos probably live with their parents who live in those big 4 bedroom houses with 4x4 SUV's, guzzling energy with the gas central heating and fossil fuel backed electricity. They've probably got iPhones and iPads built by the Chinese who don't give a stuff about the climate as long as they are producing products for the Just Stop Oil loonies..

How do they the ipad and iPhones get here, they don't just magical transport from the factory in China to the UK, they have to be transported in huge mega container ships that guzzle fuel like it's going out of fashion....

When I see the Just Stop Oil loonies being dragged off the roads, I cheer on the people doing it, because in the end the loonies are just creating traffic jams and slowing down traffic and actually contributing to more petrol or diesel use by their own actions.

And then of course we have the police idly standing by and doing nothing to prevent this from happening except for arresting those inconvenienced by the protesters because they took matters into their own hands.

Sorry for the rant...

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Here’s the reality of Net Zero for some.

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Here’s a different reality for Net Zero zealots…

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This is ‘The $cience’…

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Do not apologise for your opinion…is is well articulated and makes sense.
So Rant on.

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Thank you Exile for your brilliant way of showing these things….but for some of us you might need to expand on your visuals with an explanation.
(I know the last slide has some very tiny writing underneath it but my old eyes struggled even enlarging it a bit….should I go to Specsavers?)
The first picture is clear, that the mining for the metals for those ‘green’ vehicles is mined by children in third world countries..putting their health at risk.
How reliable is the science? Being that there can (in the current situation) be only one opinion.
No opposing opinions are permitted in this groupthink world

And people running these green vehicles and looking smug, that they are part of the gang to save the planet…many of them do not realise that the electricity they re-charge with, is generated by fossil fuels (in the main).

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Sorry, Margaret, if the third image is not clear. I never really know when including a photo how big or small (both physically and in terms of the number of pixels) it will be.
Anyway, attached below is the ‘small print’, which I hope is more legible.

Basically the entire graphic purports to show that our atmosphere is made up of 78% nitrogen, 21% oxygen, 0.93% argon, which leaves some 0.04% of carbon dioxide (the stuff that green plants need to survive) and other trace elements.

Of the 0.04% of carbon dioxide, that one dot in the bottom corner (0.01%), is the cumulative carbon dioxide claimed to be created from man-made activities and it is this 0.01% that is sending the entire globe into fiery hell (except in this part ofLancashire where global warming seems to have been switched off throughout July.)

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Thank you Exile, after I had posted that I got out my magnifying sheet and made it easier to read

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Just in case there’s anyone out there who still takes the ‘authorities’ on trust, take a look at this image (assuming it’s legible! ;))

The chart on the left hand side of the image shows excess deaths in Europe attributable to cold (blue) and heat (red). This was how The Lancet, apparently still believed by some to be a reliable $cientific journal, presented it.
But if you look carefully, what they’ve done is to use different y axes (the horizontal scales) for the different types of deaths.
For ‘heat’ deaths, the increments are in tens (0-10, 10-20, etc).
But for ‘cold’ deaths, the increments are in fifties. Five times as great!

The chart on the right hand side of the image is how it actually is, using similar y axes.
This is exactly the kind of deliberate (it can only be that, unless The Lancet is run by statistical illiterates) lie that is constantly being pushed. Just like the latest scam of changing the colours on the weather maps from, say, yellow to red when the actual temperatures are exactly the same.
The net zero which our globalist masters want to achieve refers to our prosperity, not theirs.

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The thing is they (the fudgers and liars)know that the majority of people will take everything they spout to be gospel because it has been produced by scientists.
They think that scientists will report the FACTS accurately, but they do not think that these respectable people would be bamboozling the population.

I never believe what I am told. I ask myself why these experts want me to believe what they are telling me…what their agenda is…what will they gain by making me believe this stuff.
And while I am no expert is statistics…those figures are like comparing apples to bicycles.
Stats should use the same criteria for measuring outcomes.

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I saw this on the BBC website:

The 13-week long campaign by Just Stop Oil (JSO) has cost the Met Police more than £7.7m, the cost of policing 515 protests carried out by JSO since April has amounted to the equivalent of 23,500 officer shifts. Over that time more than 270 people were arrested over the demonstrations.

Maybe if we fined those arrested £30,000 each they would all go and do something more sensible instead and the metropolitan Police could actually get back to their real jobs of doing what they are supposed to be doing instead of their time and money being wasted by a small minority of people.

The people that are paying for this are the taxpayers and the people actually losing out are not the JSO loonies, who probably don't live in Greater London, but are the people who do and call the police only to find they are spending huge amounts of time, in terms of hours, and money dealing with a very small percentage of people who just don't care because they are virtue signalling.

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This thread has thought-provokingly mentioned the hypocrites, those who do a lot of talking and protesting about carbon emissions but are users of manufactured goods, etc. However, how’s this for being hypocritical, the Australian government talk a lot about carbon emissions telling us what we should do and what we should not do, what should be done, and what shouldn’t be done, while at the same time Australia is exporting huge amounts of coal to places like China and any country who will buy it from them to use. This all reminds me of that saying ‘don’t do as I do, do as I say.’.

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I also read this but I read that this was the second huge sum of money that it had cost us…the taxpayer and the total exceed 15 million quid. The 7.7. Million is the cost to the met police and is only from April.

So yes I endorse the idea of fining those who are taking part in these protests and £30,000 seem a bit on the light side.
Many of the protesters seem to be middle aged middle class chumps.
Make them have to remortgage their homes….these people need to be pulled up short.

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There’s a web site (Gridwatch) that provides very good up-to-date information on where our energy comes from.
Attached is a screen shot from a few minutes ago.
This is for a day in the British summer, albeit one not conforming to the hysterical ‘global burning’ rhetoric.
For some reason, maybe annual maintenance, the amount coming from nuclear this week is down at 9%, although usually it’s constantly around 14%.
So what making up the difference?
Not wind or solar, which can occasionally be as high as 20+% but is a measly 4% and 8%.
Oh, yes, it must be Ccgt so called, perhaps, because they don’t want to admit it’s gas.
Even coal is being used!

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Those green Electric vehicles are being charged using electricity generated by guess what…..fossil fuels. Green eh?

And there was very little reported about an 18,500 tonne cargo ship leaving the Nederlands filled with 3000 cars….(prestige marques)that set on fire…due to the battery of one of these electric cars going off like a rocket.
One crew member killed and the remaining 23 evacuated and the ship left to burn.
This cargo was bound fo Kuwait and Saudi.

I did not see any report on the TV news channels.

Another thing that has had very little coverage is that many of these fires that are being put down to ‘global boiling’ (hyperbole at its very best) have been started by arsonists.
Drone footage in Italy shows a man setting two fires in woodland.
When he sees that he has been captured on the drone camera, he throws stones at the drone to try to bring it down.

Greece and Portugal frequently have summer first fires….but this year it plays right into the hands of the Climate activists.

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Oh Yes, and another thing.
That hated man, Tony Blair(I hate him as much as Cashy hates Margaret Thatcher) is the only left wing political figure who is speaking sense about the obsession with Net Zero.
I never ever thought I would applaud anything that forked tongued, snake oil salesman said.
But I have to agree with what he is saying in the Daily Telegraph today.

We are being asked to do too much even though our emissions are paltry and will make no appreciable difference.

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I read this snippet in an article today on Unherd about how Biden’s policies are doing little, nothing, or the complete opposite of helping to readdress the balance between US and China economies…

“While 13 countries control only 40% of global oil, China is virtually a green energy OPEC by itself: today, more than 60% of the world’s wind turbines and 80% of solar panels and batteries are made in China, which also controls an estimated 90% of the production of rare-earth metals essential in batteries and other green technology.”

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IMO it's all a load of tosh!
We in the UK are expected to stop using oils etc. to cut down on the power we use, not have our tv's on standby using very little power.
Yet places like the US and china still do more in 1 day than we do in a whole year.

It's a joke!.

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I'v been seriously considering joining these Just Stop Oil Loonies. After all, they don't seem to have a problem getting tickets to all of the major events. :D:D:D

Re: The drive for net zero.
 

What the H--- is that all about. are you what they call A,I, Nowadays ?. or are you just an Idiot ?. about time your saw a shrink, I think.

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That, Taddy was a spam post….and while I could not read most of it there were a couple of English words in there….not sure if it was Thai or Viet….but it mentioned Sugar Baby and Dating site….so from that we can guess it was not a post that should be on the Accyweb forum.
Thankfully, it has now been dealt with.

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Thank you Marge. the only "Spam" that I know about comes in a tin and I hate the stuff.

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No…don’t tell me that you never get unwanted e-mails…or junk mail through your door.
This was unlikely to be AI generated and at one time we used to get these incursions into the forum frequently.
Mick used to jump on them quick sticks and they were very quickly removed and the poster banned.

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Another summer’s morning in the UK and 73% of our electricity is being generated from nuclear, gas, and coal.
Wonder how many more windmills and solar farms (made in China, obvs) would we need to all replace that?

Re: The drive for net zero.
 

Another summer’s morning in the UK and 73% of our electricity is being generated from nuclear, gas, and coal.
Wonder how many more windmills and solar farms (made in China, obvs) would we need to all replace that?
(Click on image to enlarge)

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Now we’re getting into winter, the NutZero’s fantasies are beginning to bite.
Relatively mild, November morning and, to provide the country with enough electricity, that nasty coal is producing as much energy as both wind and solar. Thank heavens for that equally hurty gas which is providing 60%.
Click on image to enlarge.

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Similar situation tonight for GB’s electricity generation - 60+% from gas.

Interestingly, there are apparently 11-11,500 wind turbines in the UK.

https://www.greenmatch.co.uk/green-energy/wind

So, on tonight’s performance, it would require another 50,000+ turbines for wind to fully replace gas as a means of generating electricity.

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If you have them, show this 8 minute clip to your grand-children.
They are the ones whose lives will be impoverished if we don’t wake up to the insanity of Net Zero.

https://thehighwire.com/ark-videos/t...limate-change/

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Thank you for that Exile.

I think that when future generations look back on this part of history, they will wonder how the population could be so manipulated by computer models….models that have been configured by men….to predict something without recourse to evidence.
They will laugh at our naïveté (or maybe it is arrogance on the part of those scientists who believe their own propaganda).
Another interesting and thought provoking post from you…great!

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Oh and did you see that some un-named Saudi company have put in plans to propagate the Brontë moors with 65 wind turbines that are 40 metres higher than Blackpool tower?
That will be visible from as far away as Preston.
There is an action group fighting this development but how much would you put on the action group not succeeding?

https://www.magzter.com/stories/news...RONTS-WANDERED

Read about it here.

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That’s only another 49,935 turbines to go. :rolleyes:

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These turbines are going to be built(if planning permission goes ahead) on a grouse moor so their installation will be detrimental to the wild life.

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to me climate change is a load of rubbish i for one do NOT believe in it.its utter tripe. apart from the THUNGBERG FOOLS

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[QUOTE=cashman;1276517]to me climate change is a load of rubbish i for one do NOT believe in it.

I am with you Cashy, To me the worlds climate has been changing ever since the world began, (after six days according to the God botherers), or Millions of years according to the scientists ! take your pick. ;);)

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I am with you two…climate change has been a cyclical event since time began…and it will continue long after we have left the planet.

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Qed

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Quel surprise!

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Here’s one contribution to a cleaner globe being made by net zero.
(scroll down for video’

https://dailysceptic.org/2024/02/19/...their-dangers/

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Right now (5pm) 7% of our electricity is being supplied from wind and solar, with those nasty gas (ccgt) and nuclear power stations having to deliver 10 times that amount (70%) in order to keep the country running.
Nut Zero in action.

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According to Octopus, 100% of my energy is green.

Although it don't matter what we in the UK do, our collective contribution to reduced emmissions etc. will do absolutly zilch.
Places like Spain will still get a years rain in 8 hours killing many as has just happened.

Our governments (of all countries) will not plan nor pay for measures to prevent flooding like just happened so these events will continue.

If the entire US and China were to go for net zero, then and only then might we have a chance.
So if it floods near you, get your own armbands out and have a swim because everything else if screwed.
I'm glad I live on a hill :)

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Anyone who thinks that electric vehicles are eco friendly is deluded.
The battery for an electric car like the Tesla is heavy on the mining of precious minerals and as far as I am aware there is no way to recycle them.
It takes up to 1000 tonnes or ore bearing earth to obtain 25 lbs of lithium.
This earth bearing ore is dug up by earth moving equipment which needs diesel to fuel them.
Lithium is refined by using sulphuric acid and to refine enough for one battery takes around 75 semi trailer loads of the stuff.
The other components of the battery are copper, manganese nickel and cobalt…all need to be mined.
Some of this mining is done in third world countries by children. All of these mineral have toxic properties.
The energy used to mine these substances is from sources that use fossil fuels.
So, now do you think these vehicles are eco friendly?

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Notwithstanding the environmental destruction being wrought by the Nut Zero Zealots, there just aren’t the raw materials to fulfil their dreams.

https://dailysceptic.org/2024/10/30/...top-engineers/

As the table suggests….we’re going to need a few more planets to plunder to get enough minerals to achieve Nut Zero.

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Half past four on an early November day and we’re getting 3% of our electricity from solar AND wind.

Petrol generators are still available, but don’t tell Ed Millibrain!


https://dailysceptic.org/2024/11/04/...ower-for-days/

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Wow! Things are looking for Millibrain’s Net Zero zealots.
This afternoon, wind and sunshine are contributing a big increase on the example from last month.
Up from 3% to a massive 4% of electricity generation.
Let’s double the number of subsidised windmills and get it up to 6%.

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Here’s a very interesting, and ultimately depressing, article about what’s the real plan behind the push for so-called smart meters.

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/...-smart-meters/

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[QUOTE=Exile on Spencer St;1279739]Half past four on an early November day and we’re getting 3% of our electricity from solar AND wind.

21:30 on the allegedly hottest day of the year (health warning - it’s summer!) with wall to wall sunshine but we’re still having to rely on gas and nuclear generation for 50% of our electricity.

So it appears we need gas in the winter AND the summer.
If only we could also use the gas coming out of the Government.

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And there is so much of tat coming out of Westminster we could sell some off.
That might please Rachel Thieves!