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Maybe her kids are designing it!!

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I think they already did !!!!!!!!

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But will it bring more sunshine?

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/a...tid=3074&stc=1

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maybe but it also looks like from the photo the extra sunshine will destroy woolworths and marks and spencers

these bumps maybe a good idea after all lol

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Your Councillors revealed!

Name them, if you can.

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Oh, I forgot, I will donate 10,000 Ackers to the bank account of the member who, in my opinion, comes up with the most apt names.

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La la(la la, I'm not listening) Britcliffe

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I received Gayle's reply to my e-mail about 1 hour ago.

Thank you for your comments. In response to your email and some of the
other questions that have been raised by others.

I know I can't change anyone's mind on art - it's a subjective thing and
there are some forms of art that I like and some that I don't too. But
what the paper is failing to tell you is that the 'humps' are just one
of the possible earth works that may be developed. The designer has
done one design which uses some of the elements from the Hyndburn coat
of arms which might be more acceptable to people if the paper was
prepared to admit it. The final design will be developed using children
from the local community - the future generation who are likely to use
the Coppice as you do.



It's part of a wider scheme to get people out into the countryside using
the Regional Park area of East Lancashire. And yes, it is a bit sad
that sometimes someone needs a reason to climb a hill but look how many
people climb up to see Darwen tower simply because it's there (try
knocking that down now and wait for the reaction). This scheme is going
to bring a shed load of money into the town - we know that for a fact
because the Halo (the design originally rejected by Hyndburn) has
attracted further funding for the site on which it is now going in
Rossendale. It is likely that the Coppice will attract similar sorts of
funding (talks are already taking place between two other funders) and
that money will be spent on developing pathways, clearing trees, sorting
out parking and all the other things that are needed. None of the money
spent will come from Hyndburn Borough Council. The Panopticon £50,000
is coming from North West Development Agency and so is allocated for
that purpose, it can not be spent on anything else. If we don't have a
Panopticon we lose the investment.



Plus, it's inward investment so local businesses and local people will
be doing the majority of the work and of course, getting the money for
it.



No harm will be done to the existing monument (although I presume people
won't object if we clean off the graffiti) or the trenches.



It's only when it is put in context that it makes sense. The paper's
question was extremely leading because they haven't given the public all
the facts. If they had said 'Does Accrington want us to invest in its
future?' the result might have been a bit different

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Not content with no reply to my second email of questions, I fired off a reminder. Pestering pays dividends - the reply took 21 minutes.

However, the content of the reply left a lot to be desired. It appears that the ownership of the panopticon will be vested in HBC, as will the responsibility for access and maintenance;" They will be responsible for the maintenance in exactly the same way as they are now, nothing will change."

Intitial funding of £50,000 will come from the North West Development Agency and is ring fenced, so that it cannot be spent on anything else. if we choose not to have one of these things then the funding is withdrawn. Funding for the upgrade of paths etc. is not certain.

I also asked whether the designer, Peter Beard had sucessfully brought any similar projects to completion, and if so what were they. I was referred to his website, which, as far as I can see, does not contain one completed project. Beard, she says, is working with "some" local schoolchildren, whom she describes as "The future users of the Coppice". How nice. What about the current users of the Coppice?

The existing monument and shelter will, apparently, remain in situ, though she has mentioned that they will be cleaned of graffiti.
I omit the remainder of her depressingly enthusiastic padding on purpose.

It seems that in Ms Knight's view this is a "done" deal and one, moreover, that we would be foolish to reject. The only option now is to lobby individual members of the Planning Committee and bombard them with objections in the hope that when this project comes before them they will have no alternative but to reject it.

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I have had no reply to my e-mail to Gayle Knight.......who you might be interested to know, recently gave up her column in The Accrington Observer because it caused her a conflict of interests.......reading previous posts I can see why.
I also e-mailed my local councillor and the e-mail has bounced back three times.
Nothing either from Greg Pope........as you say it looks like the public consultation is just a paper exercise.

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It's only when it is put in context that it makes sense. The paper's
question was extremely leading because they haven't given the public all
the facts. If they had said 'Does Accrington want us to invest in its
future?' the result might have been a bit different

Of course it would you dont need a secondary education to know if you change questions you get different answers. I think a question like that would evock a response of better infrastructure, bring jobs to the town and clean up the center of Accrington.

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It rather looks as though, despite the hundreds of thousands of pounds lavished on the creation of their website, HBC have still not got their e-act together yet.

Not to worry though, there is always SNAIL MAIL! Besides, a letter in the hand is a lot harder to ignore than an email.

This link should bring up a list of councillors names in "Ward" order, clicking on them will bring you a lovely picture of them... and their home addresses.

http://www.hyndburnbc.gov.uk/Your_Co...asp?order=Ward

*Remember to include the line "Agree to this proposal and I will never vote for you again."*

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I have just had the exact reply posted earlier by Yerself. It has taken 3 days but looks like it's a standard reply. I e mailed PB but have had no response, but then again that's hardly surprising is it:D

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Shes probably got repetitive injury syndromefrom pressing the copy and paste button to many times.

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Shes probably got repetitive injury syndromef rom pressing the copy and paste button too many times.

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you got piles Tea?........

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Why bother with your local Cllr, why not email the "Leader" his email works, have done so several times..............and had replies :eek:
May be with all the budget problems, the local Cllr's email links may have been disabled ;)

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Resounding ‘no’ to Coppice plan



OBSERVER readers have given a resounding “no” to proposals to erect a “work of art’’ on top of an Accrington beauty spot.In our exclusive phone poll people voted overwhelmingly against the plans to build a panopticon on top of the Coppice.A total of 321 people rang up to log their votes and a whopping 79 per cent said they did not want see a monument. There were 255 votes against the plan and 66 in favour.The project to place a £50,000 sculpture on the Coppice has proved controversial since it was first broached in 2003, when residents rejected a “flying saucer” design.Three new designs were drawn up for phase two of the project and Landroom – a series of giant earth mounds – has now been chosen as the preferred option.But since the designs were unveiled the Observer has been inundated with letters and phone calls from residents who want the Coppice to be left as unspoiled countryside.

Gayle Knight, spokesperson for Mid-Penine Arts, which is co-ordinating the scheme, said that all comments would be taken on board as part of the official public consultation, which will take place over the next few months.
She added: “Obviously we are interested to hear the views of the public – that is the whole purpose of having such a consultation.
“Quite interestingly, when we did our own consultation around the area our figures showed that over two-thirds of people were in favour of having a sculpture.“Clearly there are a lot of people who have rung your poll line who have not called us to express their views.
“It is important that they let us know because at the moment the only people calling us are people who are in favour of it. While we appreciate people telling the Observer that they are not in favour, which is very valuable, it is important to the process for them to contact us and add to the consultation.”
Leader of Hyndburn Council, Peter Britcliffe, said: “This poll result is a very interesting indication of how Hyndburn people might be feeling on this issue and the Observer is to be congratulated on running it. “I do not want to express my personal view at this stage but I will be working to ensure that all 47 council members get the chance to vote on it rather than just the Planning Committee.”
Looks like Gayle is the one to contact..............Gayle Knight at Mid Pennine Arts on 01282 421986 or 07767 383435

Yorke Street
Burnley
BL1 1HD
Tel: 01282 421 986
Fax: 01282 429 513
Email address:email("info","midpenninearts.org.uk") infohttp://www.artsnetworks.net/img/atsymbol.gifmidpenninearts.org.ukinfo[img]/img/atsymbol.gif[/img]midpenninearts.org.uk</a>
Web Site: www.midpenninearts.org.uk

Notes to editors

1. Images of the winning designs are attached. High resolution images may be downloaded from the website at www.panopticons.uk.net
2. Short biographies of the designers are attached
3. Designers may be contacted through Gayle Knight at Mid Pennine Arts on 01282 421986 or 07767 383435
4. District steering groups are made up of representatives of local communities and local interests. Decisions about designs selected for further development were informed by views expressed by members of the public during the consultation period. They also took into consideration issues of affordability and practicality, quality of design and the interests of groups who stand to benefit.
5. Panopticons is a project of the East Lancashire Environmental Arts Network (ELEAN), which aims to demonstrate the positive role of the arts and cultural activity in the social, economic and physical regeneration of East Lancashire.
6. ELEAN is managed by Mid Pennine Arts and supported by the Northwest Development Agency, the East Lancashire Partnership Regional Park programme, Arts Council England North West, Lancashire County Council, REMADE, Elevate East Lancashire, the local authorities of Blackburn with Darwen, Burnley, Hyndburn, Pendle, Ribble Valley and Rossendale, Rossendale Leisure Trust and Pendle Leisure Trust.
7. Panopticons is linked to Land, an exciting programme of education and creative arts involving local people and schoolchildren working with professional artists to enhance and celebrate their environment. Visit www.land.uk.net
8. For further information on the Northwest Regional Development Agency, please contact Sarah Harvey, Press Officer, on 01925 400552
9. For further information about the East Lancashire Partnership and the Regional Park Development programme, please contact Narina Riskowitz, Communications Officer, on 01254 300491

Ends
Issue date 04.02.05

Re: big bumps on the coppice...?
 

Gee dont talk about councillors and Council - they are on a diff planet to us called 'wriggle my way out of everthing to save us butts'

Re: big bumps on the coppice...?
 

going back to Coppice issue, haven't been up there for ages aint got the energy as i used to th'owd bones u see pmsl ah well my excuse, but hasn't the coppice always had lumps n bumps my backside could testify to that after in my younger days going down the golden eagle on a makeshift black bag sledge for a dare one snowy day.....n god was that scary n ended up smack wallop into a tree....good job i dont have any Jacobs i'd of lost my twinset....pmsl

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I've been having a bit of a think. The proposers of this project seem determined that it is going to go ahead, regardless of the opinions of the people of Accrington.


They want it on an airy prominence so that it can be seen from the surroundings and also be a place from which to view the surroundings. But the people of Accrington don't want it to disfigure the Coppice. Result - apparent impasse!


The designer, Peter Beard, on his website, waffles at some length about transforming land originally used and then abandoned by industry. Well, happily, "brownfield" sites are not something that we are short of in Hyndburn. There are even a few that meet the criteria of "airy prominence". I can think of three...


Whinney Hill.


The area at the top of Kings Highway. (No.1 on the map)


Snipe Rake (No.2 on the map)




All are the sites of extensive quarrying which has scarred the landscape and rendered it unattractive. All command excellent views over the Calder Valley to Pendle and beyond. All are visible, without obstruction, from surrounding roads and hills. All would benefit from improved access and use.


Problem Solved ?????

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Here are three aerial photos of the suggested areas. (put your cursor over the thumbnail for the location)

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Oh there is another location I have just found; a place called "Bedlam" which is just above Rothwell Heights and which overlooks Priestly Clough and Woodnook. Like Whinney Hill, it is also accessable by road so no problems for the disabled there.

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I agree there Acrylic didnt know it was aptly named lol cos round there is definately Bedlam :)

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They are not still going on about the so called hollywood sign are they?!? why can they leave natural beauty alone they spoil my loverly view !! What they wanna do is to look after the area n preserve it rather than having some daft idea .... do i need to mention the water fountains nr globe centre that didnt last long!! Has this town got money to waste?!?!

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Acrylic-Biff, The Terrier with Attitude, is so excited about his solution to the problem, he insisted that we go out and take photographs of the various locations and get them posted on here so that you can all see the brilliance of his solution. He was baring his teeth at the time so I thought it safest not to argue.

So, here they are, in no particular order and hot off the digital camera, so to speak.

Speaking for myself I rather feel that Whinney Hill has the edge over the other locations and it has the added bonus of having earth moving equipment almost on site.

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I think Acrylic Biff may have a point u know they can stick there art there or snipe rake a 2nd choice. Awww i like Acrylic biffs title ...terrier with attitude LOL

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The area above Kings Highway looks fantastic from Highams playing field. I let my dog drag me there this morning and that promontary would be a brilliant place to put a panopticon. Though I'm still not happy about the bumps..

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Viewed from the A 56, heading towards Haslingden, the hill is quite impressive. It is also higher than the Coppice, (Coppice-245m, Kings Highway-279m,) according to the Ordinance Survey. In addition there is an already metalled road leading up there which comes off the junction of the A 679 and the A56. The area is currently plagued by flytipping, placing a prestige project there would have the added benefit of forcing the council to do something more about it than putting up a couple of warning notices.

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Scarily enough,in today's Observer [pg 35] Gayle Knight helpfully points out that the bumps will be virtually invisible from the Town and will be more"impactful" from the air!

I will bear this in mind when I next fly over Accrington!!!!

Re: big bumps on the coppice...?
 

pmsl!!! Lindsay i'll go n get me helicopter from the hanger in the garden just to see the impact lol

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I think this is known as spin-doctoring......

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I haven't seen the article yet, I don't get my copy till tomorrow, but her admission of virtual invisibility would seem to render the whole thing pointless. What is the point of spending fifty grand on creating a landmark that no one can see? Sounds like hasty backpeddling to me. Perhaps we should keep up the pressure, at this rate the project will be reduced to next to nothing inside a month.

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AB is it me or is the first picture that you took taken from the tennis courts at Coppice Park and not a picture of Bedlam ???
It sure looks like the top of Avenue Parade / Waddington Road.

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Why don't I read more posts first of course it's Bedlam in the distance.

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Hey, you were right about the view point though!

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As usual this all seems a huge waste of money that could be better spent on improving flagging urban areas of the town

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which golf course is that?

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A-b I haven't been following what's going here all that much, but thanks for posting the photos it’s nice to see them.....Any chance of you telling us where you find the Arial Photos. Excellent shots and I must admit I would love to see some Arial shots of Church and the Fern Gore, bedlam and Green Haworth areas.

Re: big bumps on the coppice...?
 

Thats a point, maybe they should put it on the golf course
1. It would be useful for the golfers, it would give them some chipping practice or whatever they call it
2. I would never see it
:rolleyes::):D

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If this thing does`nt now need to be situated on a prominent point on the landscape ( Though I thought that was the point!) how about building it on the site of Huncoat Power station, formerly home of Zeri.

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Try this site Doug, I think it's where AB gets them.
http://mario.lancashire.gov.uk/

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Nice one Bagpuss. Thanks for that.

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Thanks Bagpuss, Mario is exactly the place, The best thing that Lancashire County Council has ever done! Though you will need a screen capture program to grab the images because they have disabled right click/save.

Uncle Mick: Sorry, it can't go on the Huncoat Power Station site because that is where Lancs CC plans to build the Waste Treatment Plant that will take and recycle rubbish from the whole of Lancashire.

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I have just had a look at the article on page 35 of this week's Observer. In effect her replies are largely similar to the emailed replies Ms Knight sent in response to questions asked by accyweb members - almost verbatim in many instances!

There are some answers which stand out however and bear repeating:

Q. Who will maintain the site after the Panopticon is built?
A. Maintainance will remain with Hyndburn Council as it is now.

Considering that the council cannot afford to remove the christmas illuminations from the town centre and have allowed the footpaths in the area fall into neglect, this seems to me to be niaive and unrealistic in the extreme.


Q. Will it interfere with the view?
A. The panopticon will allow people to stand higher on the coppice, giving a better view of the town and a vantage point to view the trenches in all their glory.

RUBBISH! These structure are going to be twenty feet high, there will be no appreciable difference in the view of the town resulting from such a relatively insignificant increase in viewing height. At the moment the trenches are largely covered with heather and as such are largely invisible, unless you already know where to look for them. Again an increase in viewing height will do nothing to change this.

Q. Will it damage the natural environment?
A. No, Peter Beard (the designer) is working with an ecologist (unnamed) to ensure that all natural wildlife and vegetation is considered.

So, the heather will be conserved and the rhododendrons taking root will be allowed to remain and eventually take over the site. The stands of larch will contine to grow and obscure the view of the panopticon still further. As the heather and hhododendrons expand, the indigenous moorland wildlife will be forced out and walking around the trenches will be made even more difficult than it already is.

Q. Will it be a huge eye-sore?
A. It will have very little impact on the skyline when viewed from the town. It is more "impactful" (not a real word) when viewed from the air In fact it will be a landmark from the sky as it will be the largest earth work of its kind in the UK and will have enormous marketing potential for Accrington and East Lancashire.

Ms Knight appears to be of the opinion that the ownership and use of light aircraft is fairly common in Accrington, there can be little sense in making such a comment otherwise. There can be little point in creating a landmark that cannot be seen. I do think that she is pushing the spin a bit too far with her claim of it being the largest earth-work in the UK. Errmm... Maden Castle, Silbury Hill, Offa's Dyke, the Cerne Abbas Giant, are all earth-works that would put the Panopticon in the shade.

It is clear, to me at least, that this woman has not got a clue what she is talking about, and is merely the mouthpiece of the North West Development Agency, spouting marketing gibberish in support of an ill-considered, underfunded and poorly prepared proposal.

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I tell you A-B, you are wasting your talents....... think you should definitely consider a career in local government......you certainly have more idea than some of the witless morons we are paying at the moment.
I agree with you about Gayle Knights grip of the situation......however did she get her job?

Re: big bumps on the coppice...?
 

Probably because she has a degree in Media Studies, which appears to have replaced Sociology as the subject of choice for the vast flocks of "Daddy's Little Princesses" who are too special and talented to do a real job.

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Oooh AB, how scathing of you, I hope you never consider a degree in Midwifery to be a waste as I would not like to be on the receiving end of such a comment:D Had a reply from our glorious leader this morning. It has taken a week and is very short as you will see.

"Good morning

Thank you for your email. I was very interested to hear your views and I personally have not expressed an opinion.

I am bearing in mind all the comments received as the time will come shortly when a decision has to be made.

Peter Britcliffe."

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As one of "A-bob's Angels" Lettie, that would never happen. :D

Am I correct in assuming that Britcliffe was formerly a teacher? You would not know it from that reply. It is no wonder that our little darlings leave school unable to read and write.

Re: big bumps on the coppice...?
 

Is this the same Gayle Knight who happens to be a reporter with the Accy Observer by any chance? :)

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Yes it is, she's given up her column in the Observer to work for Mid Penine Arts.:D

Re: big bumps on the coppice...?
 

I doubt if the word 'work' is the correct terminology to describe employment with the MPAA.

By the way, has anyone yet been informed as to whether or not people in wheelchairs will have access to the top of these bumps?

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Interesting point there mate, especially given Ms Knight's evident enthusiasm for viewing the town and the trenches from above. One would imagine that it would now be unlawful to deny such delights to the disabled. What do you reckon, should they install a Stanah stair lift in each of the lumps or should they have a specially trained team of absailers on call. And what about the provision for people with learning difficulties? Or indeed those who are differently gendered? And if it comes to that, what about the sensibilities of the ethnic minorities who might see this as a glorification of an imperialist war ethic? Oh the possibilities make my head spin. There must be a thesis in all this somewhere!

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One wonders what provision will be made for the gay community. Where will they go to do their "cottaging" once the top of the coppice is swarming with tourists, admiring this splendid new creation? Maybe Councillor Britcliffe could provide something for them in his office.

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Gayle Knight Had to give up her column in the Accrington Observer because it caused her a 'conflict of interest'...... being as how the Observer is so keen to see the scheme go ahead (NOT). And how do you think that PB got the crack in his B*M...... it was from sitting on the fence!!!!!!!!

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Well you all seem to have been having lots of correspondence with Gayle Knight. I emailed her before we went away, and as far as a reply goes, to quote Diana Ross, "I'm still waiting"

Mr Leaf sir, have you considered the fact that these bumps are best viewed from the air and therefore perhaps Hyndborg BC should be laying on trips from Squires Gate akin to the ones for local schoolchildren in the 60s? Now that could be the way to easily accomodate all persuasions, ethnic origins and abilities. All we'd need are some in flight running commentaries for the visually challenged and Bob's your Uncle.

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Looking through the history books about accrington I saw many years ago the council did something radical to the coppice,they planted lots and lots of plant like things known as trees,you can still see them today.(Brown and green they are)

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i think it would be a great idea to site it on the old main shaft of huncoat pit.

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I see that someone has renovated the steps from the Plantation street end. Is the council spending the money before the`ve got it ??

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Just received an e-mail from Gayle. There is to be public meeting on Saturday 12th March 2005, 12 noon to 2pm in Accrington Town Hall. The subject of the meeting: A Panopticon for Hyndburn.For more details contact Gayle Knight on: 01282 421986.

Re: big bumps on the coppice...?
 

I too had an email from her this morning, apologising (profusely no less) for not having replied earlier - could it be that she reads the AccyWeb and saw my post?

She informs me that "the questions and answers in Friday's paper should have answered some of [my] questions" I know she means the Observer but it isn't as if that's the only "paper" in the world.

The fact that I was in Ireland on Friday and didn't see the Observer would have been unknown to her (unless of course she reads the AccyWeb and saw mention of our trip) but she kindly attached a copy of the Q & A for my perusal. I must admit that the "A"s have left me with more "Q"s than I had in the first place and I shall endeavour to attend said meeting on March 12th.

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Please lets us exiles know what happens at the meeting when you come back as I am sure it will be different to reported view http://www.luxweb.co.uk/%7Eaccringt/...lies/smile.gif

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I too, have just had an e-mail from Gayle Knight......well, it was just a flyer for the meeting really. I will try to get to the meeting to see what is being said.......and to find out how to oppose planning permission.

Re: big bumps on the coppice...?
 

The Planning Dept. will post a notice (assume on the coppice or near to) to indicate that they have had an application, should also give details. Once this notice is posted you can write in to the Planning Dept. indicating your opposition to the application.(I think there is further information on HBC website) and if you find out when the application is to be put to the Planning Committee, go along there and sit in at the meeting, and possibly speak on behalf of the people opposing the application. From past experience, the Planning Committee only seem to rubber stamp the views and findings of the "Technical Officers" of HBC,the Chief Planning Officer. See the link below, it lists current planning applications.

http://www.hyndburnbc.gov.uk/Your_Co...g/Planning.htm

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Thanks for that Park........I think you are right about the rubber stamping bit.
Make a mockery of public consultation though!

Re: big bumps on the coppice...?
 

I will try my damndest to be there. I may have to work but I don't know yet.

Hehehehe..... It will be like an Accyweb meeting but without the booze..:D

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Yup, I got the flyer too. Are we taking rotten fruit and eggs with us?

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I think the answer is HBC are anticipating coachloads of tourists turning up,stepping off the bus,staring at the coppice, and having a bloody good laugh.

Re: big bumps on the coppice...?
 

Hey don't know about that, but since they altered the runways at Manchester Airport, we are getting a lot more air traffic over Hyndburn now...............may be that's what HBC are thinking about, could be, there'll be a HBC salesperson at Manchester Airport
:angel: :angel: :angel: :angel:

Re: big bumps on the coppice...?
 

The Stanley fans even managed an anti-Britcliffe chant on Saturday!{in between watching all the goals flying past Barnet's keeper!**

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For the people not there it went like this, "He's fat, he's round, he's sold the f*****g town, Britcliffe, Britcliffe.
How true and so funny when the chant went up.

Re: big bumps on the coppice...?
 

If this is true Bagpuss, football supporters have just gone up in my estimation!

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It's all true A-B;and it was plenty loud enough for the Mayor to hear[although most of the crowd neither knew nor cared who he was!]

There is something quite rousing about hearing your thoughts vocalised by a few hundred fans at a footie match!

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Well Hurrah for Accrington Stanley supporters! Well done chaps!

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I wish you all luck in your objections to the proposed lumps, bumps or whatever they are. The Coppice doesn't need them.

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Brill pics mthead. How can they even consider ruining that splendid view with their silly teletubby mounds.

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Were they taken from Miller Fold?

I got snow on my lens when I took some.

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yeah about 9.30am

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I went to the meeting about the Panopticon - did anyone else? Thought it was quite good myself and changed a lot of opinions from what I could see.