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although it seems everyone is against this idea the council are going ahead regardless of the local opinion on this matter
i know its been mentioned here already but arnt the council answerable to anyone as it seem people here are mostly against it..? i read they have applied for planning permission if there is a petition out there for the refusal of this planning permission i will gladly sighn it if they go ahead with it whos up for helping me did it up lol :D |
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Surely we can all object to the planning application? I for one will be asking what I need to do.
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yep me too
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don't mean to appear rude but what exactly are the council planning to do.
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put dodgy apparent UFO looking bumps on the coppice!!!!!!!!!
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I wonder if a body like the Accy Observer could take them to court to fight them doing it? Can't think on what grounds though :confused:
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They'll look a bit like TellyTubby land. The UFO doesn't sound bad by comparison.
Come on Tealeaf, A-b and all you clever lot. How do we voice an objection? |
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when you put it that way willow, i agree fully, tubby land it is!!!!!!!
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Does Greg Pope know what's going on? Everyone should fill his e-mail inbox with complaints
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A list of councillors here clicking on any one of them will give you their email address...
http://www.hyndburnbc.gov.uk/Your_Co...ouncillors.asp For mid pennine arts who are organising the Panopticon mess try this email..... E-mail: [email protected] |
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Oh, I forgot, the observer is running a telephone poll...
For Yes ring 09012 290067 For NO-over my dead body! ring 09012 290068 You can also write to the Observer: The Editor, Accrington Observer, 103 Blackburn Road, Accrington BB5 1JJ or you can email them at [email protected] |
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You could also ring Gayle Knight at Mid Pennine Arts on 01282 421986 or 07767 383435
Or you could ask for the director, Nick Hunt, he is the one who appeared in the BBC news item the other day. Is that enough to be going on with, or do you want emails and phone numbers for the North West Development Agency as well? |
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Hyndburn MP Greg Pope can be contacted at the following Addresses and Numbers....
149 Blackburn Road Accrington Lancs BB5 0AA Telephone: 01254 382283 Fax: 01254 398089 Email: [email protected] |
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Had to say it out loud before I got it though. |
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Well I've written to my local councillor to start with. Been a bit busy since then so not had time to do much else yet.
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Well done and thank you A-b, for all the info you have supplied, I have already done my NO vote! |
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So have I. I might even write to Greg Pope next.
We have to let them know how popular this isn't. |
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Planning objections would be for disturbing the wildlife, though this panopticon is meant to encourage people up the Coppice and I suspect Mid Pennine Arts hav`nt planned for any additional car parking. Avenue Parade is already full and the pull in off the bypass is next to a very steep path that is totally unsuitable for disabled access.
Anyway, I thought the Coppice was given to the people of Accrington not to Mid Pennine Arts for their own personal use. Talking to Gayle Knights dad, he told me that the scheme also includes funding for upgrades of paths and upkeep of the artwork, but who will be checking these? I`m bloody sure Mid Pennine Arts won`t be.... |
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Well, I have just e mailed PB with my objection. I doubt it will do any good as I'm sure our cerebrally challenged leader will do what the hell he wants anyway.:D
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there was an article in the observer by councillor dave prkins i think he is called about clamping down on planning permission and not allowing retrospective permission to those who build then apply later. if the council do ignore public opinion and go ahead would they not be as bad as everyone else, if they do erect these monstrosities then lets all do the same in our front gardens without the planning permision
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No doubt these humps will be used by motor bikers and mountain bikes for doing jumps, so they could close the skate parks and save even more money....
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Sorry......I can't do this post......I am still laughing at the ISAAC thingy!
Thanx A-B for being a mine of information.....I am going to get e-mailing! |
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LOL MTHead issac hunt, mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm:D
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LMFAO what a great idea, if they don't give a toss what we think, then we don't give a toss what they think...............might plop a great big turd looking design in my front garden see how they like that.
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The Spokesperson for MPAA says that out of the people who have contacted them the majority are in favour of the panopticon, so quite clearly we need to be contacting them too and letting them know that there are plenty of us who do not want the thing.
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can an online petition be arranged
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I think individual letters and emails mights have more impact.
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I thought they were going to put a 'hollywood like' sign on the coppice only 'accrington' name instead- that sounded good! (theres someone on accyweb- not sure who- u know who u r) who has it as their avatar thing, not sure about this bump thing- is there some drawings/plans to look at- links?
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The MPAA claim that two thirds of the population of Hyndburn want one on the Coppice. We need to let them know that whoever they spoke to they didn't speak to a cross section of the public here. Presumably most of the people who like the idea have contacted MPAA so those of us who DON'T like the idea also need to contact them direct to redress the balance.
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This woman works for Mid Pennine and is one of the bunch who think that it is a wonderful idea. indeed she has a letter to that effect in this week's Observer.
Bombard this woman with calls and letters and emails and let her know what the silent majority really think. Gayle Knight at Mid Pennine Arts on 01282 421986 or 07767 383435 E-mail: [email protected] |
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My objections have been e-mailed.
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Just sent mine to Gayle Knight. I wonder who was surveyed in order to produce a result of two thirds in favour of the panopticon. Probably all of the employees of Mid Penine Arts.
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Oooh how cynical Lettie! You'll be saying that the public exhibition was made deliberately low key so that they would only get opinions from people who were in favour of the idea, next. Or that Nick Hunt and Gayle Knight are pretentious t*ats with their heads so far up their ar*es that they can see their back teeth. Or that they really don't give a t*ss about the Coppice or the opinions of the people who will have to live with their hare brained schemes as long as they still keep getting their fat pay cheques and don't have to do a Real Job. :D
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This is the reply from mid penine arts to my e-mail
Thank you for your comments, we will include them in our consultation. All comments are considered and you have some very valid points about security which we will be raising ourselves. Obviously, we appreciate that not all art is to everyone’s taste but to answer some of your questions. The design that has been chosen has been specifically chosen because the steering group believe it will enhance the natural beauty. Although it is man made it is made by reclaiming earth, hopefully from other areas of the town. The designer has employed an ecologist to work with him to ensure that wildlife is not only protected during the process but nurtured afterwards. In Rossendale, they have just unveiled plans for the Top O’Slate. This is the area that has accepted the Halo design (previously rejected by Hyndburn). They are going to spend a further £165,000 on reclaiming the derelict land around it, ensuring that paths to the top have disabled access and planting trees and bulbs to encourage wildlife. Hyndburn could have similar investment for the Coppice. Plans are already taking shape to develop some of the pathways up to the Coppice from Arden Hall, there are more in the pipeline. Gayle Knight Marketing Officer Mid Pennine Arts 01282 421986 |
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Thanks for posting the reply Tinkerbelle.
So it seems that not content with imposing this rotten design on us they are going to use it as an excuse to tip more bl**dy waste! Disabled access, my backside! How many disabled folk could manage wheeling themselves to the top of Avenue Parade without having to summon an ambulance, let alone getting to the top of the Coppice? |
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And another thing... just who is this "they" who are going to spend £165,000 on reclamation. Rossendale council? We cannot expect HBC to do anything similar, they cannot even afford to take the Christmas lights down.
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I like how she brushed off the security question. I asked if they were going to put cctv up there or were the police going to be expected to keep running up there everytime someone reporting them being used as motorbike jumps
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If I could possibly just quote you 'In Rossendale, they have just unveiled plans for the Top O’Slate. This is the area that has accepted the Halo design (previously rejected by Hyndburn). They are going to spend a further £165,000 on reclaiming the derelict land around it, ensuring that paths to the top have disabled access and planting trees and bulbs to encourage wildlife. Hyndburn could have similar investment for the Coppice'. What does 'could have' mean? What happens if they don't? Who's going to foot the bills then? |
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Guess what...... I have just received the exact same reply apart from the security bit. I have picked the appropriate holes in the arguement and sent one back with further questions. I don't think she'll be getting much work done today.
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Do we know what the exact cost of the giant dog turds?
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I haven't even had a reply to my original email. :mad:
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Ha ha we have a reply !We are confident that there will be further investment based on what has happened in other areas. If there isn’t, responsibility for maintaining the site will rest with Hyndburn Borough Council. They are currently responsible for maintaining the site so that would not change anything.
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I got the same reply as you and Lettie, Tinkerbelle, with an added line to cover one point raised in my email.
From your second reply Tinkerbelle it seems that since maintenance will rest, as expected, with HBC. Nothing will be done because there will always be something else to spend the money on. The site will be left to degenerate and we will have yet another eyesore to deal with. |
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Tealeaf; The project will cost £50,000. The cost of upgrading of paths, a further £50,000 to £100,000, will eventually have to be found by HBC, but I don't think they realise this yet.
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Tee Hee! Go and have a look at the mess they have created in Oak Hill Park. Not only will your blood boil but you will be spitting feathers to boot!
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It might interest some of you to know that the chap who designed the lumps is called Peter Beard and he is an architect who teaches, part-time, in London and has a vague interest in post industrial landscapes and designing .....wait for it....
Business Parks. Not an internationally aclaimed sculptor or artist. Not that we could expect someone of the stature of say Henry Moore or Anthony Gormley, though it would have been nice. No, we have to put up with some southern chancer who couldn't give a tinker's cuss about Hyndburn, it's history or it's people. I doubt that he has even been anywhere near the coppice. If he had he would know that his lumps would be obscured from view by the trees growing on the side, thus rendering the whole aim of the project pointless. |
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Do you have his address A-B? I could go round there later on and put a few bumps on his head.
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if his adress is obtainable there are plenty of select sites i could subscribe him to.. lets see how he likes rubbish been dumped on his doorstep :-) |
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This is the joker....it looks like its going to be even worse than we thought.
http://www.nesta.org.uk/ourawardees/...2_profile.html |
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Had another reply but for some reason I can't paste it onto here.:( She harps on about RECLAIM which is a company who try and tart up derelict and unused land and that there is a possibility of funding coming from them. I have replied as I find it offensive for someone to class the Coppice as derelict and unused. I'm sure that many other dog walkers, horse riders and locals out for a stroll will feel the same way. She says that a public meeting is to be announced. Yeah right.....
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contact:- e-mail - [email protected]
37 Jackson Road LONDON N7 6EG landline +44 (0)20 7700 2792 mobile +44 (0) 7905 857478 |
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ok now to a: activate popup blocker b: enter select words into google c: create email account in the name of peterbeard so i can authorise delivery of mail from dodgy sites :D |
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on a thread started by fireman you can see the coppice, it takes me back to my younger days when comming back off holidays you would look for the landmark and see the eagle on the front over looking accrington like a guardian angel,lets get rid of the trees and bring the eagle back that way the trenches wont get spoilt.
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Surely instead of ****ing thirty thousand quid or whatever away on this monstosity the MPAA could spend it on re-siting and doing up the Arndale Clock?
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If anyone is going to e-mail Britcliffe it may be a good idea to mention that if he gets behind this scheme it may come to be known as Britcliffes Folly.
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I have just e-mailed everyone that A-B gave addresses for...... now lets see what happens.
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Architect Peter Beard strongly believes that such sites should be approached with a greater awareness of their past, both historically and politically.
He says: “Issues of history and memory and a sense of what places are within a collective memory, whether national or local, are very important in considering how one deals with these places. The average business park planner is not necessarily concerned with such things.” If he can show such concern for a business park why hasn't he got the same attitude towards our Coppice? |
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If the above is the case then why doesnt someone come up with a wonderful memorial to thr ACCRINGTON PALS. to them the coppice was sacred and so should the pals be to hyndburn and its administrators
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Yes I think I would appreciate something of that nature.
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and i'm sre most of accy would instead of there expensive follies they are trying to pass off as art
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I am surprised at you lot for running down poor Peter Beard! You only have to glance at his award winning design in 2001 to show how he has the knack of amalgamating kids of all ages to skateboard or cycle all over his wonderful designs......What wonderful graffiti they could paint on those sweeping curves.....
http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/a...tid=3057&stc=1 But of course being a designer of business parks, THEY have 24/7 security...:rolleyes: |
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What a piece of crap! I see he`s got an Etch-a-sketch then........
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I thought the "Concrete Agriculture" proposal was the funniest. This bloke is just taking the p*ss, surely?
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I am still a little confused ere as I never saw the designs of the bumps- is there a link? Only I found out where they were: 19-24 JANUARY Hyndburn designs Accrington Central Library, James Street; Accrington & Rossendale College; Accrington Town Hall, Blackburn Road; Asda, Hyndburn Road, Accrington; Huncoat Primary School; Hyndburn Sports Centre, Henry Street, Church ''Now local people have a chance to see and comment on design ideas proposed for Burnley (Crown Point), Hyndburn (The Coppice, Peel Park, Accrington) and Ribble Valley (Kemple End), as part of a thorough public consultation process which will inform decisions about designs selected for further development. From those concept ideas, we want to select designs to be developed, and shaped by the influence of local people.'' http://www.nwda.co.uk/SimpleContent....01213706164756 Also whats this about a 'panopticon' from the observer? http://www.accringtonobserver.co.uk/..._id=12005.html |
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I see, ta Acrylic-Bob!
Only why is it a diff image from observer? At least there is details of phone poll to voice opinions: ''Now you can make sure YOUR voice is heard by taking part in our exclusive phone poll. If you agree with the idea ring 09012 290067 for Yes; if you disagree ring 09012 290068 for No. Phone lines open at 9am on Friday (4th) and close at noon on Wednesday (9th). Calls cost 25p. The results of the poll will be announced in next week’s paper. '' Observer http://www.accringtonobserver.co.uk/..._id=12005.html Surely then we still have time to make our opinions heard- n counted, as its only been a few weeks since exhibitions according to NWDA. http://www.nwda.co.uk/SimpleContent....01213706164756 |
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sorry -oops old news with observer from previous post vote been done.
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The pic in the Observer was before Tellytubbyland had been decided on I think. It seems that by having rejected the flying saucer earlier we have been lumbered with the worst of a bad lot. Even the singing ringing tree would be better than thos hideous mounds. Either way it will not be maintained, it will not have easier access and it will be vandalised - this is Hyndborg we are talking about.
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Yeah, like blind people are really going to be flocking up there to enjoy the view! I'll leave aside questions of how people in wheelchairs are going to get up there.
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That's the point though - it has to be accessable to them if they felt the inclination. (pun intended)
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Just been up to the reference library and found that the coppice land was gifted by the Peel family to the Borough of Accrington...but with CERTAIN CONDITIONS.. I could`nt find what they were but lets hope they were against despoiling the area!!
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You`re right lettie, I`ve known Mrs Knight for about twenty years and I can`t remember her ever going up there!!
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Sounds like she really knows what she's talking about, doesn't it?. How come everybody has had replies from her but me? :(
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It`s just a job to her, which she is pretty good at but having lived in Ossy all her life she probably needed her Shurmers to find the Coppice
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Like you say Lettie, there is just no way you would get a wheelchair bound person up there unless you use a hoist. I used to run on the coppice in my younger days and the access point I used was via the easterly by pass......I used to call the pathway up there 'heart attack' hill.
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....and how will they get JCB`s up there. The paths are either too narrow or too steep. Nice to see that this has been well thought out and has the money for renovation of this "rundown spot" been ring-fenced?
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I bet they haven't even thought about access for the JCBs. I can forsee the road being closed off whilst they approach with them from the point further back than the parking area where there is an incline which is less steep.
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Councillor B Will Beam Them Up
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He's sounding more and more like his image every day.
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What A Plonker
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>>Just been up to the reference library and found that the coppice land was gifted by the Peel family to the Borough of Accrington...but with CERTAIN CONDITIONS.. I could`nt find what they were but lets hope they were against despoiling the area!!<<
Ooooh! Conditions! We like the idea of that. Conditions can be very useful, very useful indeed. More research needed I think! |
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I think willow should print off a few thousand copies of pb poster and send them to the voters next election time.lol
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You can write in to the planning officer giving details of your objections, but from past experience it won't do much good, or you could find out when the application is due in front of the "Committee" and attend the meeting, and have your say, may do some good if all the objectors did attend the meeting. The committee room would not be big enough :hehetable :hehetable :hehetable :hehetable :hehetable |
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What BUMPS are they (?) putting on the Coppice, confused in Canada, and almost everywhere else. Pam
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Hey, HBC got a grant for this, an in the words of one of our local Cllr's
"we can't use the money for anything else" an as the leader states "we may get the paths refurbished, its something we (assume HBC) can't afford to do" :rofl38: :rofl38: :rofl38: :rofl38: :rofl38: |
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I fired a third one back on friday , asking yet more questions. No reply to that one. The scary thing was that in her second reply she mentioned that local school children will be involved in the design!!!!!! I expect to see Tinky Winky gambolling over the bumps sometime in May...:D
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The artists impression (how often do they turn out to match the end product?) shows carefully manicured mounds, arising at an angle of about 70%., with a few people on top.My question is: If there is to be open access to the top of these mounds, how are people in wheelchairs going to be able to get to the top? I can't see how. Maybe each one will have a Stannah Lift or something similar around the back. I just cannot see how they will give equal access to everyone, which, given the current criteria on public sector funding of schemes such as this, would make the mounds illegal.
The only way MPAA & and the clowns on HBC I can see getting round this obstacle would be to fence in the mounds, which once again defeats the object of putting them there in the first place. One final point: These things really do look nice and tidy...are they going to be kept that way or are they going to be allowed to grow wild, with bushes and long wild grass sprouting out everywhere? if its the latter, can someone tell me how you're going to get a lawnmower down the sides of these things.....I wonder if the HSC has been consulted. If its the latter, then theres no point in turfing it over in the first instance,,,,You may as well get Murphy up there in a hired JCB, free Guiness for the weekend, as many mounds as he can do,total cost about five hundred quid, total saving to the ratepayer, £49,500 quid. |
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