Bus accident in Accrington
 

i was just saying to my wife how buses come past the town hall at such a fast speed towards the bus station its a wonder no-one has been killed, today a gentlemen was hit by one of these buses, it's about time these buses were made to slow down instead of thinking they own the roads.

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Not again - is the gentleman OK?

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Lets Face It Yes The Buses Are Bad But Not As Bad As The Taxis (((( Both On And Off Duty))))

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Lets face it it is everyone that drives for a living that think that they have a god given right to do what they want on the roads.:mad:

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It's not everyone who drives for a living who acts as if they think that. There are just an awful lot of idiots out there but anyone who drives a public vehicle has extra responsibility.

Not having witnessed the accident I wouldn't like to presume who was at fault either, no doubt there were enough witnesses on or off the bus for that to be clarified.

Does anyone know how badly hurt the man was?

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It`s been coming for a long time, either open it up to all or close it off to all. No doubt Britcliffe will be ringing his hands in the press, but will he DO anything/

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it dosnt matter what happened its always the drivers fault and i agree with that in full unless of course a person deliberatly throws themselves under a car or somthing

when in control of a vehicle you are supposed to be aware of your surroundings so hitting someone is inexcusable as it means you were either not paying attention to your surroundings or driving too fast

there should be always be a jail sentece for people who kill while in control of a car unless the person who was killed deliberatly threw themselves under it

how many familys no longer have children or parents because some idiot was eather not paying attention or driving too fast

3 points and a £100 fine dont bring dead people back

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IM NOT SURE IF HE IS OK OR NOT HIS LEG LOOKED BROKE IT WAS BENT RIGHT BACK

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YOU ARE QUITE RIGHT THERE JUST AS BAD

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I AGREE WITH YOU THESE PEOPLE SHOULD GET LONG PRISON SENTENCES

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Ged,
Is your caps lock stuck or something? I don't know if you are aware but to type in all capitals is considered shouting. Please spend a second to become aquaintd with your caps lock key.

Many thanks

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so not as bad as taxis,i think that needs rephrasing. I have never used it and wont.as for the other quote i have been taxi driving 6 yers no points on licence not even a parking fine.we are not all the same if you open your eyes you will probably notice its the hackneys that fly through there more often then owt.im private hire and based up ossy.the hackneys dont have a base as such only the rank so tend to use it as short cut.so think before putting gob in gear.........................................

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I've wanted to say something else in response to this thread but keep getting my words in a tangle and have been putting it off which is unusual for me.

A wild satement was made that "It is always the drivers fault" and I want to point out that this isn't and cannot be an automatic assumption.

When my daughter was run over by a 4 wheel drive vehicle outside her school in Oct 2003, despite the fact that other pupils witnessed the event and attested to the fact that the car was not visible when the two girls started to cross the road, the police will not accept a statement from a child and the driver claims to have been doding only 20mph and therefore the girls ran in front of her and she could do nothing.

In this particular case the driver doesn't seem to have been blamed at all by police, despite the fact that logic contradicts the account. If she had been doing 20mph and if the girls had run then they would have reached the other side of the road before she reached them and she would have had enough reaction time to have stopped sooner than she did instead of dragging my daughter along the road under her car and coming to a stop with her head under the wheel.

I've even done timing on that road myself and walking at a reasonably slow pace I can be across before a car coming round the bend gets anywhere near. All the logic points to the driver doing more than 30mph.

So no, drivers are not always held to be responsible.

And although I often make joking remarks about bus and taxi drivers I am aware that it is never wise to generalise and that by and large the majority are good sensible people. Even those hackneys don't often cut in front of the town hall because they approach the rank from the end and from a different direction.

Where would non-drivers be without public transport? Many depend on it, so as mthead says please think carefully before making sweeping statements.

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yes thats right willow but its when they are setting off on their fares they have to come the other wy and use it for short cut .For example to get to hyndburn rd.I still believe it should be reopened with traffic lights and/or pelican crossing..

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sorry mthead i suppose i was generalising a bit yes you are right the hackneys they are the problem but i trusy you really understand my undertones

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Quote: (Originally Posted by chav1)
it dosnt matter what happened its always the drivers fault and i agree with that in full unless of course a person deliberatly throws themselves under a car or somthing

when in control of a vehicle you are supposed to be aware of your surroundings so hitting someone is inexcusable as it means you were either not paying attention to your surroundings or driving too fast

there should be always be a jail sentece for people who kill while in control of a car unless the person who was killed deliberatly threw themselves under it

how many familys no longer have children or parents because some idiot was eather not paying attention or driving too fast

3 points and a £100 fine dont bring dead people back

Quote: (Originally Posted by ged)I AGREE WITH YOU THESE PEOPLE SHOULD GET LONG PRISON SENTENCES

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i'm also in agreement :excl8:

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All taxi drivers should have to take some kind of PSV, like the busses have to take a PSV and wagon drivers have to take a HGV, so taxi drivers are a public vehicle on duty so they should have to take a test aswell not just a written area codeing test.

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Well here is the opinion of a bus driver (ex blackburn transport, ex pilky and now Accrington Transport).I have driven through the pedestrian area in front of the town hall hundreds of times and on countless occasions people have walked in front of a 30ft long bus without even looking.Probably about 20-25 times i have been a few feet behind some dumb pedestrian walking in front of the bus totally unaware i am behind until i beep my horn.I'll tell you the next place a fatal accident will occur,it will be at the top of peel st/abbey st junction.I would say on about 100 occasions I have driven up through the bus station and the road bends to the left and stupid ignorant car drivers come flying in front of me from abbey st unaware they have crossed a junction.Today I was on No.9 Laneside/Barnfield I had to slam on,beeped my horn,all I got in return was some irrate idiot getting out of his car after a fight.it's not easy to become a bus driver and most of them are much more aware and alert than your average car driver or pedestrian.I'd say about 60-70% of car drivers are a disgrace,no forward thinking,no awareness,they're just like lemmings(need i say more),no idea that buses have right of way(highway code).At the end of the day buses will always make headlines eg.2 kids fall out of a bburn transport bus,well thats there own fault,windows are held in by rubber seals force them out you're flying.You might be a non smoker,a non drinker,non swearer etc etc but drive about 100mph down haslingden old rd what does it matter you are a an idiot(But you don't deserve what happened Robert).Now my workmate won't drive again and he is in pieces,why should bus drivers take all the blame?

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yes its alright , i understand what your getting at but got to be carefull.

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sorry no bus has right of ay over a HGV vehicle if you read your high way code+by the minister of transport.

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never mind mind your mate won't drive again neither will the robert who got killed least the BUS DRIVER HAS GOT HIS LIFE and can go and get a new job.

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the problem with out side the town hall is that the road looks exactly like the pavement

children especialy would have didficulty telling them apart as to where the pavement stops and the road ends they even put benches right on the edge of the road across from blockbuster


regardless of who is right or who is wrong it is a 5mph zone and i have yet to see a bus not traveling above 5mph

we have cameras in the town centre and any vehicle that is in that area that shouldnt be should be reported and the driver fined and 3 points and it shouldnt be too hard to do because they have the evidence on video

as for the top of peel street ther is a zebra crossing there so anyone driving in that area should be approaching the top of peel street with caution if not extra caution

lets face it all drivers speed

in a 30 zone most do 40

in a 50 zone most do 60

granted not all drivers speed but the norm seems to be to add 10mph to a speed limit unless of course drivers know theres a speed camera in the area

i think peopel who kill through speeding should have to face the familys of those they kill as part of their punishment as it may put them off speeding again when they get their licences back

personaly i think if you kill through bad driving you should never be allowed to drive again ever just like if you were to shoot someone you would never be allowed to own a gun ever again ( not sure if anyone is allowed guns anymore ime not up to date with new laws it may just be faremers allowed to own guns now )

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If you read Pilkybusdriver's post right I think you'll see he was refering to cars and that buses are supposed to take precedence over cars. Many car drivers don't seem to know this.

Not long ago I witnessed a car coming along Abbey Street towards Clayton. A bus was coming up Peel Street, and at the bend he was slow because he'd just stopped at the crossing for pedestrians but as he came round the bend (having right of way) the car driver did not slow down and had to swerve to avoid hitting the bus. He then stopped, jumped out of his car and proceeded to hurl abuse at the bus driver! I think that car driver needs to look at the road markings there and learn what they mean.

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i dont think theres anyone who holds a current driving licence who would pass a driving test as once you get your licence you can drive how you like

i agree whith the current policy of re taking a test when banned for drink driving but it should also apply to people who cause accidents by driving wrecklessly

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Sorry, I don't agree on this one. I wouldn't say that I am the perfect driver, but I managed to pass my Advanced test, so I can't have become that bad. Each time I get behind the wheel, I remind myself that I am in control of a potentially lethal weapon. In traffic, I always drive five cars ahead - if the guy five in front needs to brake, chances are I will. When in doubt, come off the gas - it gives you a few more seconds thinking time.

HOWEVER, if I had a pound for the number of times people have stepped out without looking, or stepped onto a pedestrian crossing 3 feet in front of me, I would be driving a Porsche. Mobile phone users are the worst - they seem to think it's a magic charm against being run over. No, I never have hit anyone, but I have had to swerve to avoid doing so.

SO - please do remember that although I am the one in control of the lethal weapon, you have to do your part - don't walk out into traffic without looking, cross the road at sensible places (not on a blind bend) and be aware of what can happen. However little at fault the driver may be, it isn't very pleasant to live with the thought that you have caused somebody else injury or worse. A car cannot stop, even at 20 mph, within a couple of feet. And that's all it takes.

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I have to disagree with the generalisation about speeding. I do not speed. Ever..... Until recently my livelihood depended on driving as I worked on the community. I have to say that I've seen my fair share of bad drivers, people who are totally oblivious on the motorway, people who obviously don't understand road signs and don't know their left from their right and insist on using the left hand lane of a roundabout when turning right ( an example being the bottom of Eastgate turning onto Hyndburn Rd, the council have signed it at straight on, but you are turning right!!) I have had several near misses in the past when small children run into the road from behind parked vehicles, but have always managed to avoid hitting one of them, the streets running off Ormerod St are bad for this, as was Within Grove estate. I consider myself to be a decent driver and I am aware that buses have right of way....... However, I will not give way to a bus pulling out if he isn't indicating and I have complained about this to my dad (a bus driver for Hyndburn). Had a spate of buses not indicating when pulling away from a bus stop a couple of years back. I won't mention the company, but needless to say it is no longer operating.:D

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i totally agree with you and others cars go threough there an all and yell at you for gettin in there way when there not suppose to go through there

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I was there, tho i missed the incident a mate of mine whom witnessed it fully said the man collasped n the bus did an emergency stop n didnt hit the man, just looked worse than it was. Altho i do agree that the bus situ in town is rather horrendous at times, tho the worse culprits are ignorant car drivers....bloody ambulance had to mount the pavement to get to the said man cos stupid idiots wouldnt let the ambulance pass cos they was too impatient!

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hope the man is ok its not the 1st time its happend is it

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If this is the case and the man collapsed in front of the bus and the bus driver stopped suddenly in order to avoid running over his already prone body this illustrates what I meant when I said that you can't make such wild statements as "It's always the driver's fault" without knowing the full facts.

If the driver was on the ball enough to avoid causing further injury then he should be praised not criticised for something he didn't do.

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Many a time I have dropped people off at bus stops and they step off the bus and walk straight out in front of the bus to cross the road not even thinking that i'm just setting off.Some people are just plain stupid.

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