Tough on Crime tough on causes of crime

[jaysay]

Now police rely on public to solve murders... by recruiting dozens of volunteers to lend a hand in homicide cases | Mail Online
At last they've cracked it, surely the way forward for solving crime

[Ken Moss]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Now police rely on public to solve murders... by recruiting dozens of volunteers to lend a hand in homicide cases | Mail Online
At last they've cracked it, surely the way forward for solving crime

I'm not sure about it, John.

On the one hand, it's fresh eyes looking at crimes without the trappings of extensive police training. If people are willing to get involved with their community and the scheme does what it set out to do (ie. solve crimes) then it will be a success. If it works, who cares whether it's a money-saving exercise or not?

On the other hand, be careful who you get to help. There could be the capacity for the criminals themselves to manipulate evidence to cover their tracks or tip people off who they know are guilty.

I think I'm more on the side of giving it a go, just keep a close eye on it.

[accyman]

funny you shoudl bring this up lol i just started watching a tv show called The Missing where a network of voulenteers set about finding out who john and jane does are because the police can only allocate so much time to each case so hand it over to voulenteers when they run out of time to see if they can find out who the poeple are

now i know this is fantasy and tv show but i did think what a good idea if there was a network of voulenteers that could take on cold cases that the police had no joy with like unidetified bodys and missing people.Granted getting involved in murder cases is a bit daft but theres a lot of intelligent people out there who could contribute and help in so many ways with things teh police had run out of resources or time on.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Ken Moss

I'm not sure about it, John.

On the one hand, it's fresh eyes looking at crimes without the trappings of extensive police training. If people are willing to get involved with their community and the scheme does what it set out to do (i. solve crimes) then it will be a success. If it works, who cares whether it's a money-saving exercise or not?

On the other hand, be careful who you get to help. There could be the capacity for the criminals themselves to manipulate evidence to cover their tracks or tip people off who they know are guilty.

I think I'm more on the side of giving it a go, just keep a close eye on it.

We started Neighbour Hood watch over 25 years ago, so the public could get involved, its just another cheap skate way of doing things again, there is no substitute for the real thing a well trained police officer solving crimes, maybe if thy didn't have so much paper work, these half baked ideas wouldn't be needed

[Ken Moss]

Originally Posted by jaysay

maybe if thy didn't have so much paper work, these half baked ideas wouldn't be needed

I'm fully with you there. I understand there are steps being taken to cut down the amount that they have to file for each crime but much of the paperwork seems to revolve around making the statistics look right, which only the civil service really give a toss about. The rest of us want more officers out there.

We're very lucky to have a team of officers in Rishton who know the village inside out and have their fingers very firmly on the pulse. One of them in particular has single-handedly restored my faith in local police and I dread the day when she is promoted and moved away.

[Acrylic-bob]

Welcome to the future where the public will have to shift for themselves while the police tackle much more imortant issues like calculating their pension entitlements and test driving the latest squad car with the really, really neat 'go faster' stripes and the flashing lights and the uber kool sirens that go wooo-wooo!

[MargaretR]

This is only one step away from lynch mobs

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob

Welcome to the future where the public will have to shift for themselves while the police tackle much more imortant issues like calculating their pension entitlements and test driving the latest squad car with the really, really neat 'go faster' stripes and the flashing lights and the uber kool sirens that go wooo-wooo!

But God forbid if you should take action against perpetrators of crime....even if you caught them red handed in your own house.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

But God forbid if you should take action against perpetrators of crime....even if you caught them red handed in your own house.

that would be funny,if it wasn't true. won't repeat what i posted in n owd thread somewhere.

[Ken Moss]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

But God forbid if you should take action against perpetrators of crime....even if you caught them red handed in your own house.

One of the biggest lunacies in this country - the victim has fewer human rights than the criminals.

I'm sure in the heat of the moment I too would be thinking more of the human rights of an intruder than clubbing them to a pulp for breaking into my family home.

How on Earth did the law come to be this way around?

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Ken Moss

One of the biggest lunacies in this country - the victim has fewer human rights than the criminals.

I'm sure in the heat of the moment I too would be thinking more of the human rights of an intruder than clubbing them to a pulp for breaking into my family home.

How on Earth did the law come to be this way around?

dunno ken,been like that fer many years now, yet those in power do not seem to have the will to rectify it, hence why many folk don't bother wi em.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Ken Moss

One of the biggest lunacies in this country - the victim has fewer human rights than the criminals.

I'm sure in the heat of the moment I too would be thinking more of the human rights of an intruder than clubbing them to a pulp for breaking into my family home.

How on Earth did the law come to be this way around?

Think the problem escalated when Blair signed the European Human Rights Act ( as he said was his finest moment) well it was really made sure his wife and her cronies could make millions defending crims under the act, and there will always be a job for him when they become bored on the American Lecture circuit on £100,000 a throw

[Less]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

This is only one step away from lynch mobs

What a shame I'm on your ignore list, for once I agree with you!

We can't have vigilantes wandering our streets doing what the Police originally were created for, we need an intelligent force, that can be relied on to do it's duty.

The only way we can get that force is to increase the pass mark for officers, not, as has been announced recently to reduce their pass mark.

Then when I'm stopped for speeding, (for example), I might be talking to a cuntstabule of equal or perhaps better intellect?

[DaveinGermany]

As it is criminals are getting away with crimes due to sloppy handling & corruption of evidence, with the proper Police. How many more are going to be getting away with it if amateurs are involved, the present day criminal lawyers are pulling Police evidence apart now, what are they likely to do with these helpers.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by Less

What a shame I'm on your ignore list, for once I agree with you!

We can't have vigilantes wandering our streets doing what the Police originally were created for, we need an intelligent force, that can be relied on to do it's duty.

Less do you mean the kind of Police force that will appoint someone like Ali Dizai...promote him because of his ethnic origin, listen to his cries of 'racism'.......then pay him out for the said infringement of his rights?
No of course you don't.
You want someone who is intelligent, has a moral sense of duty, can interact sensibly with members of the public(who after all pay his wage)......don't hold your breath. I fear this kind of policing has gone the way of the dinosaur.