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personally i find that extremely offensive, surely the mods must make him remove it...

have some respect ffs...:mad::mad:....

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and yes ive read in your post about what it supposed to mean but at this time of year especially surely a bit of decorum wouldnt go amiss..:confused:

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i have to say that i agree with you, it is offensive and before anyone says about freedom of speech and all that (whatever applies to pictures) that is only applicable as long as it doesnt case offense.

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I find that offensive. I know what it means to you, but to others that fought for this country it's offensive. Please show them some respect and remove it.

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Mmmmm, a swastika wasn't originally used by the Nazis, they 'took' it over and its symbolism has now been linked with them rather than its original meaning. I do find it strange that he chose so close to remembrance day to change to it and particularly as the post he used to introduce it was Mein Kampf.

he (tadah/aleks/whoever) and his croony have always tried to be controversial by saying things and postings that are timed/aimed to wind people up. there is always an option to getting the mods to ban them and that is to do it yourself by adding them to your ignore list. You won't see any of their threads (unless someone quotes them) and Accyweb can oncve again be a place of peace and contentment.

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Was it on here or in the paper I had read, whereby the press had photo'd a new naval building from the air in America .. it was designed in the shape of a swastika.!

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if you turn it round then it is associated with the buddist religion as a sign for good luck and good fortune

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Why not put the Star Of David on, I would if I could find one,truly the symbol of the Holocast. Having said that I think everyone has the right to choose their own subjects 'within the site rules' Alex choice is his decision.

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It’s simply a matter of context, if it’s use in related to belief, culture or ones religion then who are any of us to complain.

If however it’s use is to spark debate, insult the intelligence of the readership or to cause offence to those who have served in our armed force or to poke fun at the terrible and tragic events of the holocaust the it should be removed.

Incidentally, I have a large barrel and some liquid roofing tar if any body wants to pay the sibling little ***** a visit on Wednesday night.

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Would the star of david not neglect the fact that many other people died other than the jewish people during the holocaust? What about the homosexuals, the disabled, the gypsies and so on? The swastika at least has a more clear representation of what you are focusing on, and aslong as you make it clear what your message is meant to be, then its the most fitting in some ways. There isn't really a symbol that can symbolise everyone that died in the holocaust I dont think, so its not quite as black and white as using, for example, a poppy for those who died in the war.

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What, are you saying he is more than one person? I thought that was against the rules. You must be mistaken :rolleyes::D

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Will this do?

http://cemeteries.files.wordpress.co...r_of_david.jpg

I haven't a religious bone in my body, but I do understand how insulting to deliberately stirring things up can be insulting to folk. :(



I don't think he/she/it wanted to start debate as much as cause bother, he/she/it deliberately chose that avatar and their original topic to stir things.

The best we can do from now on is ignore the taunting attitude of someone so insensitive.

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What a load of Carp, as usual you prove you have no sensitivity, just a sub-normal attitude to life as it should be lived!
:rolleyes:

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Now you are an expert on the second world war, crawl out of the cradle before passing throw away comments on subjects you obviously know nothing about.

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Thanks for the support from those who actually plugged thier brain in before commenting. First of all Doug wind your neck in and stop acting the big man. Secondly the avator change is in no way timed to coincide with anything to do with the forth coming anniservary. Thirdly the symbold i have used is not a nazi swastika the one where most of you would think of is this one

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/image...astika_203.jpg

Before moaning about something like this why not just send a PM first to get my side of things? Or dont i dont really care that much but if a picture of a symbol which YOU see as a nazi symbol offends you then thats your problem not mine.

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The usual thing to do on this forum is to report a post that is offensive. Have those who find it offensive reported it yet? If so what was the response of the mods?

I suspect it should say "may be deleted". It would be fun though if every reported post was automatically deleted :D

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Bloody hell someone with sense!

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Shhh people might be reading, I have a reputation to uphold you know:D

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Thank's Less I have transferred the flag to my pictures, and will use it in future, I am half Jewish as my mum was a Jew but left the faith to marry my Dad, but if Alexs wiishes to use the Swastika it's up to him in my opinion.

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I'm only saying that the star of david doesnt necessarily symbolise the other people who died in the holocaust. I could use a rainbow sign but it wouldnt necessarily show rememberance to any homosexuals who died in the holocaust, because it doesnt have any link with that period of time, just as the star of david doesnt exactly show any direct symbolism to the holocaust or the memory of those who died because of it either.

I think you misread my post or u just want to find an excuse to start another argument.

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My god two people with sense. Anymore for anymore?

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I do not seek arguments with anyone,just social intercourse with sensible people. You young lady I consider 'no contest' as we say in accy you know nowt youv'e been nowhere and keep this attitude up you'll be going NOWHERE.

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As long as I dont get to your ripe age and still be posting on accy web, I will be thankful to God for letting me keep that dignity.

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if he was using it for true religious reasons like it was originally intended then no-one would be offended but i seriously doubt that the upstart is neither a hindu nor budhist thus meaning that he is using it (as people have commented) to get a reaction, yes ?

well he has, how would his grandfather or great grandfather who more than likely fought in the war feel ??

if it were not for people like my grandfather and others,that lil piece of excrement would prob not be walking on this earth, he should show some respect for those that fought for theirs and his life...:mad::mad::mad:

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Well said & exactly the point:thumbsup:

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To be frank, its freedom of speech, I don't find it particularly offensive and still wouldn't if it was the right way round to be a Nazi symbol.

On the other hand, reading this thread, aleks comes over as someone who is trying to wind people up and cause controversy.

And why are people bashing the older generations? I'd be quite contempt with browsing Accringtonweb in my older years if its still around. In fact I'm quite impressed that a lot of people have adopted to new technology.

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Hey Cyfr he ain't that old:D

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Do you mean contemptuous, competent or content? :confused: You can't be contempt.

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Why use that avatar?

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Well, that was certainly a good day's trolling for you, wasn't it, Aleks?

Your last attempt to gratuitously offend people by referring to the two little lads who were killed on the M56 as "morons" didn't quite come off, as not many took the bait. But this one turned out to be a real humdinger.

All that attention focussed on you for nearly 24 hours. I bet it felt good, didn't it? Well done on pipping Blazey at the post for Accyweb Juvenile Attention Seeker of the Month. You truly deserve it!

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:rofl38::rofl38: Love it!! :D

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As the word troll has been mentioned anyone noticed post no 4 in this thread :rolleyes:

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Again there you go dignity, and just what is dignity blazey define the word, and then seek to justify my dignity at your peril! You are the genuine article a scatterbrained 5%er, ' the only thing I have left is my DIGNITY,you certainly have none.

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bit patronizing don't you think :rolleyes:

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i noticed that too this morning

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I know what you are saying Dave, but compared to some of the numpties we have on Accyweb these days, he was quite normal ( and that is saying a hell of a lot ) :rolleyes::D

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Whoops, good job we live in noughties and not the 1930s or 40s isn’t it, or is that what you call freedom of speech. Adolf had the view that you could say anything you like, if you lived long enough he’d even let you express an opinion, just like people where doing here, as where you.

Offended, not in the least. the comments you appear to have made about the motorway incident does.

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Some people have a warped sense of humour and enjoy 'wind ups'
I think that Aleks is just indulging himself and enjoying you all getting angry with him - his idea of fun is stirring?

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At worst I would say that the avatar is insensitive especially as we are coming up to Remembrance Day.

Otherwise seeing as it is the mirror image of the symbol adopted by the Nazis and was generally accepted to mean good, let it be. It might have had more impact if a three years old hadn’t drawn it though.

Incidentally you can see the SS flashes all over the place where there is dangerous electricity close to hand. Or at least one of them.

My dad used them as personal tool marking and so did I, but to him and me it was a figure 7 with another figure 7 upside down on top.

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I meant content :)

Didn't mean it in a patronising way at all, no.

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I read something recently that said that a huge majority of the country could want to change the law in some way, i.e to stop people using nazi symbolism as the clearest example, but if it was implemented then would that really mean we are living in a democracy, simple because thats what the majority want?

Aleks should have the right to have the swastika as his avatar, because as more than one person has already pointed out, its not even a Nazi swastika, so nobody should still be complaining about it when its a religious symbol and not one of race hate or condoning what the germans did.

And we live in UK, where people are from all over the place and believe in allsorts of things, that can be seen as wrong or right, and as much as people dont like it, some people do actually condone what the nazis did, just as some people once condoned rape in marriage, some of you might have condoned drugs when u where younger, some might not condone some religions and their traditions, some religious people might not condone homosexuality and abortion and so on, but I was always taught that even if you dont agree with someones beliefs, you shouldnt impose you own on them and if someone wants to have a symbol in their avatar then why should he being slated for that?

Some people show great patriotism on this forum and talk about how worse off we would be if we were under germanys ruling or whoever, yet not many people seem to stand true to the constitution we have in this country that we have fought for.

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Think he clearly means content.

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In case you haven't noticed the right for Alex to have the swastika as his Avata has not been taken away from him or he wouldn't have it would he?

That however takes nothing away from the fact that he is only trying to stir things up, which he is being very successful at, what a shame he has nothing better to do!

:o

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Thats pretty much exactly what democracy is yeah. :p

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Tried to give you karma but I need to spread it about a bit before I can. :D

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No it isnt though, hence why we dont have the death penalty for paedophiles. Try reading chapter 1+2 of Constitutional law, administrative law and human rights by ian loveland. You'll find something very different that just an assumption that implementing whatever the people want is a democracy.

The constitution of this country stops man acting with passion and revenge, because it isnt the correct way to do things in a civilised country. Nevermind though, I've got to get up in the morning for lectures and I dont want to be tired for no productive reason.

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And that pretty much goes to show that the wisest on the forum havent actually studied anything to do with jurisprudence and the constitutional law before to actually have a clue what your talking about.

You've made my day :D

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But you don't mind being 'tiring' for no productive reason do you?

:)

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Democracy is what I said it was. You're taking the UK as an example which is not a pure democracy as our representatives decide things on our behalf, hence thats the reason we don't have the death penalty. In a pure democracy the majority do rule over the minority.

Also, trying to judge someones wiseness based on them not reading some Law books that you've clearly misunderstood, or fail to express in the correct terms, is really silly.

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AND JUST WHO FOUGHT FOR YOUR RIGHT TO THESE FREEDOMS DEMOCRACY AND THE LIKE. The very people you seek to riddicule with your Avatar. Who the hell is mr loveland when he's at home, some other wooly hatted Liberal non thinker playing the guesing game after the fact has been established. For God's sake go elswhere and try to bull**** the troops!

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erm... it's a frigging avatar.
let the muppet get on with whatever disillusions he has.
it keeps him from going around accy town centre licking people, doesn't it.

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Licking people? lol cant remember the last time i licked someone in town.

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I asked why he was using it as his avatar yesterday still not got a reply.

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I got bored and wanted a change that ok?

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Yes i was only asking why you used that one.

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Not only is this BS, it is inarticulate BS:eek:

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Yes you do. Altho' it is not written down in a single volume. As England was the first country to stumble on democracy, or parliamentary democracy at least (forget about the Greeks and Romans ... that was something else), she became a model for subsequent democracies, even the American and especially the Canadian. A new democracy needs a constitution because it does not have behind it the slow, trial and error, experimental and experiential devpt. that England had. Think of a constitution as a substitute for a unique historical process. Or perhaps a uniquely English historical process.

See, hon, you are not the only one who can waffle on:D:D:D

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William Shakespeare wrote a play with a title that fits here.

Much Ado About Nothing.

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I'm not sure the connotations of 'Nothing' are so apt to this!! :eek::D

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http://www.geocities.com/traditions_uk/small_poppy.gifgod bless all the old soldiers........

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Of course,,that goes without saying......:)

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To anyone near my age a swastika was anathema, as was any picture of Hitler. I was less than 7 years old when I first heard stories about concentration camps etc. and, in my early years, I only knew Germany as the enemy and the swastika as its emblem.

My grandson was born in 1985 and, to him, WW2 is just History. Although he appreciates the horrors of Naziism it's not relevant to anything he's ever experienced. I think the same was true of Prince Harry when he made that rather stupid gaffe of wearing Nazi uniform to a fancy dress party. It didn't impact in the same way it would to an older person. We may say this is wrong but, thinking about it, my great-great grandfather would probably have said much the same about Napoleon Bonaparte who was as much loathed and feared, in his day, as Hitler was 150 years later.

When it comes down to it, a swastika is just an emblem. It may have been used here to cause mischief but, in itself, it's not important. If Alecks wants to ally himself to a political party defeated 60 years ago that's his misfortune. If he allies himself to a present-day neo-Nazi party, that's his stupidity.

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It was offensive to some and there was clearly no other reason to use it than to wind people up. I take it you're bnp? I could read threads on here but can't be ed. I think you have too much attitude and don't think things through. Then when we point out that you could be wrong you say we have no intelligence.
I too was thinking about my granddad when I commented, if it wasn't for the English rescuing him after he escaped from the camp during a English air raid he'd be dead. They all said to each other lets go for it, we either die here or take the risk. English bought him here and like many poles he joined up to help, he guarded the prisoners in the camp here. He'd have found it offensive.
If these people find it offensive it's wrong in my opinion, and I felt strongly enough to bother to post on here.
Also why can't you answer our jen as to why you chose it, it's a perfectly good question so it deserves a truthful answer.

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I choose it to see how long it would take for someone to moan about it without actually seeing behond their own limits of the mind. You see most people see that and straight away think of nazi's but dont bother to look inot it more. todays minds are lazy and numb and this was a test to see how quickly people would follow that path. Thankfully there are some that didnt.

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That's good coming from you of all people, why did you crawl back from under that stone???

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You are so deluded it is unbelievable.
It is clear to anyone in the modern world with one ounce of awareness that the swastika has immediate connotations of the Nazi party of world war 2, absolutely regardless of it's original meanings.
They do not matter anymore as it's cultural meanings have shifted due to a major event which affected a large percentage of the world's population.
I really feel sorry for you. Your proclaimed omniscience over the avatar issue is nothing more than bravado.

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Just because I see it as offensive does not mean that my mind is lazy and dumb. I thought carefully about it and why you've got it and if its because your bnp then it's sad that you should feel the need to use a symbol of a party that caused such pain just because they happen to share some of your thoughts on keeping foreigners out of this country. Which I don't disagree with.
Thankfully there are some on here that have the mind to stand up to people and say what they think, and disagree if they think whats written/said may offend others even though it may not offend them. you're thanking the 'it doesn't bother me so i'm alright jack' brigade, which this country is full of and is why we've over run with foreign workers taking my jobs using resources that I've paid for. That and do gooders. people who say it's you're right. This is the problem we have now, every body does things because they feel like it and can do because they have the right to, regardless of whether it's actually right or wrong. Most well know are chavs on street corners.

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Lol why is it good coming from me? I don't offend people for no reason or tell them to crawl back under stones. I also think things through, it is not my fault if you can't prove me wrong when i am wrong which although not often, does actually happen. :D

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IM not responsible for anyone assuming that its a nazi sign. IF you actually looked at the symbol instead of just seeing it you would have seen it was NOT the nazi way round. Again im not responsible for you not knowing that. Most people dont and thats fine by me.

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Most people don't, you know that as you've just admitted it but in your mind the fact that it's the wrong way round makes it ok. It's the people who don't that are to blame. Bit like the kids are at fault for getting themselves killed. A 6 yr old and 7 yr old SHOULD know the danger so it's their fault regardless of whether they did or not.
And anyway who says we or they should know anything.

Usually what is perceived as what should be or as what is the norm is what the general consensus thinks and I doubt very much that most people would agree with you. That is most people in the outside world, not on one forum or chat site. My experience has shown me that a whole site can have a twisted sense of reality, and I've been on lots, I've mixed with the lowest of the low, dregs of society, I've chatted in the dustbin of chat and I've chatted with decent people on decent sites each with their own opinions.

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Keep posting more like that hatter and you're ok by me.:)

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Just because someone's wearing stripes, and is a little little bit thin, doesn't necessarily mean they're victims of the Nazi regime.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1303/...795eeaa551.jpg