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flashy 22-06-2008 07:59
Hyndburn/Blackburn boundaries
 
i'm starting this thread because i dont really think any of us know where the boundaries actually lie for these towns, can anyone possibly come up with the answer?


where does Hyndburn finish and Blackburn Begin?


ive found a few on google but they go back a few hundred years before the roads and motorways where there so they dont give the up to date answers that we are all going on about

Mick 22-06-2008 08:06
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I don't know about the Hyndburn boundaries but there is a sign on Accrington/Blackburn road near winfield's or what ever the shoe place is called that says "welcome to Lancashire" so is Blackburn in Yorkshire:confused::D

flashy 22-06-2008 08:07
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lol thats wynsors then mick? i put pics up the other week to state where these signs are, but wynsors is classed as Blackburn as is the Redcap?

there are 3 signs, one says Blackburn one says Lancashire and the other says Oswaldtwistle? all within a few meters of each other, god even im getting confused as to where i actually live now :D

Mick 22-06-2008 08:14
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right thanks for that i dont do shopping so dont know the shop names
I was on the bus comming back from Blackburn and noticed the sign "welcome to Lancashire":)
i thought the bus had taken a wrong turn somewhere

WillowTheWhisp 22-06-2008 08:22
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Blackburn is in Blackburnshire Mick. Didn't you know that?

Gayle 22-06-2008 08:22
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I'll probably confuse things more but here goes.

Blackburn is a unitary authority so technically is not part of Lancashire i.e. it is not managed by Lancashire County Council. So Lancashire County Council has put up signs at its boundary, not the age-old traditional boundary that we all think of as Lancashire.

Hyndburn covers - Accrington, Oswaldtwistle, Rishton, Great Harwood, Clayton, Baxenden, Belthorn, Huncoat, Altham, Knuzden (well the big housing estate just this side of Wynsors) and a few other small parishes. Parliamentary it also includes Haslingden!

Mick 22-06-2008 08:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 596617)
Blackburn is in Blackburnshire Mick. Didn't you know that?
So is Preston in Prestonshire then ??

WillowTheWhisp 22-06-2008 08:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 596618)

Blackburn is a unitary authority so technically is not part of Lancashire i.e. it is not managed by Lancashire County Council.
That's what I said - Blackburnshire ;)

flashy 22-06-2008 10:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mick (Post 596615)
right thanks for that i dont do shopping so dont know the shop names
I was on the bus comming back from Blackburn and noticed the sign "welcome to Lancashire":)
i thought the bus had taken a wrong turn somewhere


lol and i live just across from that sign


Gayle thankyou for settling that bit for us


but why are Wynsors and the redcap still classed as Blackburn? lol

katex 22-06-2008 10:41
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There's quite a lot of information in this site Flashy, I think a little difficult to negotiate, however, good fun if useless for what you want... will give you all the information of where you live at least :-

www.mario.lancashire.gov.uk

yerself 22-06-2008 14:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by flashytart
but wynsors is classed as Blackburn as is the Redcap?
As I've already said in another thread the Redcap is NOT in Blackburn, i'ts in Hyndburn. Many years ago I worked for a firm who used to supply goods to the Redcap, when we sent out invoices they were always mailed to The Old Mother Redcap, Rishton. I asked where this was, as the only Redcap I knew was on the road from Accrington to Blackburn. That's the one, I was told, it's actually in Rishton. Apparently there is a stream which runs parallel with the main road and disappears underground as it passes through the Redcap carpark, this stream is the boundary between Rishton and Oswaldtwistle, both of which are in Hyndburn, NOT Blackburn. So wherever the Redcap is, it sure isn't Blackburn.

katex 22-06-2008 14:48
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Take a look at that site I put on my post Yerself .. you can probably sort it out better than myself .. :confused: Does show all boundaries, but certainly the Brewers Fayre electorally is in St. Oswald's ward .. the boundary there appears to go down Blackburn Road and around the back of these buildings, taking it out of Rishton. Bit confusing must admit.

Does show where Blackburn boundary is too.

Lilly 22-06-2008 15:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by yerself (Post 596687)
As I've already said in another thread the Redcap is NOT in Blackburn, i'ts in Hyndburn. Many years ago I worked for a firm who used to supply goods to the Redcap, when we sent out invoices they were always mailed to The Old Mother Redcap, Rishton. I asked where this was, as the only Redcap I knew was on the road from Accrington to Blackburn. That's the one, I was told, it's actually in Rishton. Apparently there is a stream which runs parallel with the main road and disappears underground as it passes through the Redcap carpark, this stream is the boundary between Rishton and Oswaldtwistle, both of which are in Hyndburn, NOT Blackburn. So wherever the Redcap is, it sure isn't Blackburn.
I agree.

I stated in the other thread that I was under the impression the Redcap was in Rishton.

Odd, isn't it?

Blackburn must start somewhere along that road though.....before you get to Intack. Intack's in Blackburn. :)

WillowTheWhisp 22-06-2008 16:33
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I thought it was Knuzden and then Intack. I thought they bordered.

katex 22-06-2008 16:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lilly (Post 596709)
I agree.

I stated in the other thread that I was under the impression the Redcap was in Rishton.

Odd, isn't it?

Blackburn must start somewhere along that road though.....before you get to Intack. Intack's in Blackburn. :)
Gettting frustrated .. don't appear to be able to download these maps from the mario site ... if anything shows that the Brewers Fayre is in Oswaldtwistle. The parish boundary is just after Abbott Clough Avenue travelling towards Blackburn (about 20 metres .. get ya' measure out Flashy :D) Definitely St. Oswalds ward though. The parish boundary also shows that it is in Ossy. Some of the buildings at the back of the farm are in Rishton. At the end of the day definitely Hyndburn.

WillowTheWhisp 22-06-2008 16:58
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It could be postally in Blackburn but politically and/or geographically in Hyndburn.

Neil 22-06-2008 17:21
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That mario site is so slow it is painful. They should be ashamed of creating it.

katex 22-06-2008 17:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Neil (Post 596733)
That mario site is so slow it is painful. They should be ashamed of creating it.
Agree Neil .. very difficult to navigate .. but can't find anywhere else could get the information from. Worth it when you get there though ... LOL (gotta' be a platform there for one of your notorious innuendos)

katex 22-06-2008 17:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 596723)
It could be postally in Blackburn but politically and/or geographically in Hyndburn.
Yes, Willow, that is how it looks BB1 3LS (Redcap postcode) is postally Blackburn and the rest as above. Not Rishton though.

Neil 22-06-2008 18:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by katex (Post 596736)
gotta' be a platform there for one of your notorious innuendos
I don't make innuendos towards you Kate, you know I want you :D

yerself 22-06-2008 18:30
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I put BB1 3LS, which we all agree is the postcode for the Redcap, into multimap. Have a look at the top left of the map and fill in the missing word from the following: UK/ England/ Lancashire/ -------



http://www.multimap.com/maps/?hloc=G...03LS|BB1%203LS

WillowTheWhisp 22-06-2008 18:40
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Ossy?

flashy 22-06-2008 19:00
Re: Hyndburn/Blackburn boundaries
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by yerself (Post 596687)
As I've already said in another thread the Redcap is NOT in Blackburn, i'ts in Hyndburn. Many years ago I worked for a firm who used to supply goods to the Redcap, when we sent out invoices they were always mailed to The Old Mother Redcap, Rishton. I asked where this was, as the only Redcap I knew was on the road from Accrington to Blackburn. That's the one, I was told, it's actually in Rishton. Apparently there is a stream which runs parallel with the main road and disappears underground as it passes through the Redcap carpark, this stream is the boundary between Rishton and Oswaldtwistle, both of which are in Hyndburn, NOT Blackburn. So wherever the Redcap is, it sure isn't Blackburn.

yeah i know what your saying, there is a stream that runs near my house, 'the brook' as we call it, but it goes from Peronne Crescent (across from the ossy sign) right the way down to whitebirk road, it comes from the river Blakewater so my dad tells me

yerself 22-06-2008 19:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp
Ossy?
Not Quite

flashy 22-06-2008 19:05
Re: Hyndburn/Blackburn boundaries
 
i wonder if they have any info in the town hall? but which one do i go to? Accy or Blackburn? lol

katex 22-06-2008 19:15
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Will someone please try and pull down the maps I have suggested ....grrrh .. gettin' mad now .... LOL .. 'aint a redhead for nothing.

Nowt to do with the stream !!

Flashy .... look what you started .. :D

flashy 22-06-2008 19:18
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sowwy auntie kate :( lol

WillowTheWhisp 22-06-2008 21:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by yerself (Post 596789)
Not Quite

Did you look at the image I posted? :p

Neil 22-06-2008 21:36
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try here http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN...arishMap.shtml

katex 22-06-2008 22:35
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Try this .... :p

Attachment 11916

WillowTheWhisp 22-06-2008 22:42
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Well that seems to show the pub definitely NOT in Rishton! It does seem to be a bit ambiguous about what is Rishton and what is Clayton though.

katex 22-06-2008 23:32
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Best I can do with the Blackburn boundary though, and completely ignoring Willow's post above ... LOL


Attachment 11917

WillowTheWhisp 23-06-2008 00:17
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The green line between Ossy and Rishton seems to be in a different location on that one and would have the Redcap in the Rishton and Clayton bit.

On that link which was posted earlier if you zoom in it says Rishton and if you zoom out it says Ossy, for exactly the same co-ordinates.

flashy 23-06-2008 07:59
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sooooooo if that line goes where i think it goes then Reece goes to school in Hyndburn then? it looks like its going to cross half of whitebirk road

it just misses Peronne Crescent and i live just off there, so following the line through the field it WILL cut whitebirk road in half

katex 23-06-2008 09:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by flashytart (Post 596968)
sooooooo if that line goes where i think it goes then Reece goes to school in Hyndburn then? it looks like its going to cross half of whitebirk road

it just misses Peronne Crescent and i live just off there, so following the line through the field it WILL cut whitebirk road in half

Don't think so Flashy .. sorry, not too good at this, but think this shows clearly. There is a school just inside the Blackburn boundary? The A 6119 is Whitebirk Road :-

Attachment 11918

yerself 23-06-2008 10:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp
Well that seems to show the pub definitely NOT in Rishton! It does seem to be a bit ambiguous about what is Rishton and what is Clayton though.
The boundaries you are referring to in your post are Ward boundaries for election purposes.

yerself 23-06-2008 10:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by flashytart
sooooooo if that line goes where i think it goes then Reece goes to school in Hyndburn then? it looks like its going to cross half of whitebirk road

it just misses Peronne Crescent and i live just off there, so following the line through the field it WILL cut whitebirk road in half
The school you must be talking about is in Blackburn. Here's a map of the boundary:
Attachment 11919

WillowTheWhisp 23-06-2008 11:08
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So, are we any clearer yet?

flashy 23-06-2008 11:14
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yeah clearer about which town Reece's school is in :D thanx Kate :D

but the redcap thing is still annoying me

WillowTheWhisp 23-06-2008 11:15
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Me too, I'm still not clear on that, especially as that link Yerself gave also seems to have a split opinion on the matter. When you zoom in it's in Rishton and when you zoom out it's in Ossy even though the co-ordinates remain the same.

flashy 23-06-2008 11:17
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right so its in Blackburn Ossy and Rishton, is that settled now then??? ;)

WillowTheWhisp 23-06-2008 11:20
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I think the barns at the back might be in Clayton!

yerself 23-06-2008 11:25
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I've just been playing on the MARIO site and you can clearly see the boundary between Rishton and Ossy on the 1:10000 first edition map and on a 1950s 1:50000 map. On those maps the Redcap is in Rishton.

flashy 23-06-2008 11:27
Re: Hyndburn/Blackburn boundaries
 
well we'll go back to the beginning then shall we yerself? lol WHY DOES IT HAVE A BLACKBURN POSTCODE AND WHY HAS IT GOT A BLACKBURN ADDRESS? lol the town planners need to get a grip and sort it out, no one is disputing the fact that its in Rishton what we are disputing is that it doesnt belong where it says it is

yerself 23-06-2008 11:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by flashytart
well we'll go back to the beginning then shall we yerself?
What you're trying to say is, we know where it is but we don't know where it isn't.:D

flashy 23-06-2008 11:42
Re: Hyndburn/Blackburn boundaries
 
EXACTLY!!! lol why have whoever does the postcode and address thing have to insist that its in Blackburn?

WillowTheWhisp 23-06-2008 11:52
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By 'Blackburn Postcode' do you mean BB1? I used to work in Rishton and I seem to recall having a BB1 postcode.

flashy 23-06-2008 12:52
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it says its in Blackburn if you look at the address of the redcap, Blackburn is also BB2

WillowTheWhisp 23-06-2008 12:55
Re: Hyndburn/Blackburn boundaries
 
Yes I saw the postal address as being Blackburn when I looked it up in order to phone them to check if the mind Mimi's crowd descending on them for a meal - they don't.

katex 23-06-2008 13:08
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This thread is getting sooo funny .. good fun.

The whole of Rishton appears to be in postcode BB1 Willow as is Knuzden.

Have just rung The Redcap. (not Brewers Fayre now .. informed her still in yellow pages under this ... they will get changed .. LOL).

Mmm conversation went a little like this :-

Me: Realise your postcode is Blackburn, electoral wise Hyndburn.
Her: Yes, we are in Hyndburn.
Me: But what town are you actually in... is it Rishton or Oswaldtwistle
Her: Neither, Knuzden.
Me: All Knuzden addresses don't actually mention Knuzden, just Blackburn.
Her: Yes, that's right .. we are in Blackburn.
Me: So if anybody asked you which town the Redcap was in you would say Blackburn even though outside the Parish Boundary.
Her: Yes, that is correct.

Had to leave the conversation at this stage before I wet meself.

:D:D Now are we any nearer ? Don't think so.

emamum 23-06-2008 13:15
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so basically they have no idea either?

Neil 23-06-2008 13:50
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I would say the Red Cap is in Knuzden, which is part of Oswaldtwistle from a Ward point of view. Knuzden is a little weird. It is in Hyndburn as part of St Oswalds ward but comes under Blackburn for its Policing. Well it did. I think even that may have changed as well recently.

Not sure when Knuzden became part of Hyndburn unless it always has been.

katex 23-06-2008 13:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by emamum23 (Post 597050)
so basically they have no idea either?
Well, my money is now on Knuzden, which is ineffectively Blackburn.

All Rishton and Great Harwood addresses all state the town and then Blackburn, whereby all Knuzden addresses officially only state Blackburn.

Ah well, thanks for the enjoyment everybody .. least found some new sites. x

Neil 23-06-2008 14:05
Re: Hyndburn/Blackburn boundaries
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by katex (Post 597059)
Well, my money is now on Knuzden, which is ineffectively Blackburn.
It can't be because it is in Hyndburn and part of Oswaldtwistle.

katex 23-06-2008 14:12
Re: Hyndburn/Blackburn boundaries
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Neil (Post 597064)
It can't be because it is in Hyndburn and part of Oswaldtwistle.
Don't you start ... :p Hyndburn if you voting, Blackburn geographically.. not sure exactly what Parish boundaries mean to a town boundary either.

Suppose we will find out if town councils become a reality .. where will Knuzden fall then ??

Neil 23-06-2008 14:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by katex (Post 597066)
Suppose we will find out if town councils become a reality .. where will Knuzden fall then ??
It will be part of Ossy. It comes under Ossy Area Council now.

You cant go off postal addresses. I was born in Langho which has a Blackburn postal address and phone number but is well within the Ribble Valley.

flashy 23-06-2008 16:20
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Rishton and Great Harwood are no longer classed as Blackburn Kate, they are now Hyndburn

katex 23-06-2008 16:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by flashytart (Post 597100)
Rishton and Great Harwood are no longer classed as Blackburn Kate, they are now Hyndburn
Yes, I know Flashy ... :eek: LOL .. the official postal address though is Rishton, Blackburn. Anybody any prozac ...:D

WillowTheWhisp 23-06-2008 16:43
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Yep like Great Harwood. That's postally Blackburn even though it's Hyndburn.

So - the Redcap is in Knuzden as I originally thought, Knuzden just before Intack. We're just left with where is Knuzden?

katex 23-06-2008 16:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 597115)
Yep like Great Harwood. That's postally Blackburn even though it's Hyndburn.

So - the Redcap is in Knuzden as I originally thought, Knuzden just before Intack. We're just left with where is Knuzden?
Well, I reckon that Knuzden is not officially a town and that is why their address if bereft of same and just Blackburn... guess if you lived there it would be officially Blackburn then ! (although not the local authority).

At one time we used to say Nr. Blackburn, but not officially supposed to say that anymore.

Neil 23-06-2008 16:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 597115)
We're just left with where is Knuzden?
Who cares its in Blackburn :D

yerself 23-06-2008 16:55
Re: Hyndburn/Blackburn boundaries
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp
So - the Redcap is in Knuzden
NO, NO, NO. It's in Rishton.
I forgot to say in an earlier post that the firm I worked for which used to supply the Redcap was Daniel Thwaites. At the time the Redcap was a Thwaites' tied house. Now you would think the brewery that owned the said licensed premises would know it's location. Wouldn't you?;)

flashy 23-06-2008 17:26
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Knuzden is in Ossy :D

Neil 23-06-2008 18:00
Re: Hyndburn/Blackburn boundaries
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by flashytart (Post 597131)
Knuzden is in Ossy :D
I know it is ;)

steeljack 23-06-2008 18:49
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would have thought Church Parish boundaries would have matched urban boundaries , but guess they don't , I have a cousin who lived up Shadsworth but got married in that Church at Knuzden , which others have pointed out is in Ossy

steve 23-06-2008 19:47
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i live accros from st oswalds at knuzden my post code is bb12by (blackburn) but i pay my tax & come under hyndburn not blackburn.:alright:

flashy 23-06-2008 19:48
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well thats not sorted that out then has it? lol

WillowTheWhisp 23-06-2008 22:35
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But St. Oswald's is nowhere near the Redcap!

flashy 24-06-2008 07:33
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lol its at the top of Windsor Road and up a bit

WillowTheWhisp 24-06-2008 07:48
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What is? I know where St. Oswald's is because my niece got married there. It's not near the Redcap that's for sure! It's "on t'top road" and the Redcap is "on t'main road".

flashy 24-06-2008 12:00
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lol i know, thats what ive just said

Tealeaf 24-06-2008 12:17
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What I find offensive is the fact that Labour controlled Lancashire Council can throw ratepayers money away on nonsensical signs such as "Welcome to Lancashire" (when we're smack in the middle of the county) while at the same time they do not have enough money to keep Church library open.

Royboy39 24-06-2008 12:59
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Leaving the Redcap, travelling towards Accy..........Where does Gobinland start?

WillowTheWhisp 24-06-2008 14:33
Re: Hyndburn/Blackburn boundaries
 
Above t'lamp.

flashy 24-06-2008 20:27
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lol willow t'stop it ;)


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