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flashy 07-07-2008 08:28

School Trips
 
Reece is off bowling today for his end of term 'school trip' to be honest i think its pathetic, he is in his last 2 weeks of primary school and the furthest they are taking them is to the Bowling alley in BLACKBURN, very imaginative hey? AND they are taking them on the bus, they are all going to get soaked to the bone with this rain.

When i was a kid we used to go to places like Southport, Blackpool, Liverpool, but not Intack....they went to Blackpool zoo once when he was in the infants but thats about it, most schools go on PGL, not Intack, the nearest they got to going on a week away was when they used to go to Robin Wood in Yorkshire,in year 6, but that hasnt been going at all for the last 6 years.

so where are your kids going/have already been for their school trips this year? bet anything beats bowling in Blackburn

WillowTheWhisp 07-07-2008 08:46

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With all the H&S palaver these days he should be thankful he's even going bowling! Have they done as risk assessment on the liklihood of him dropping a bowling ball on his foot? :D

Seriously, a lot of school trips have come a cropper due to a mixture of H&S regulations and cutbacks in expenditure. Even the ones you pay for are subsidised.

MargaretR 07-07-2008 08:50

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My friend took a coachload of asian children to Bradford last week -
coal to Newcastle comes to mind doesn't it? :D

lancsdave 07-07-2008 08:52

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Junior scool one has had Chester Zoo

Secondary School, one off to Alton Towers, the other off for a day trip to france and a day at ice skating.

emzy 07-07-2008 09:01

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 603258)
With all the H&S palaver these days he should be thankful he's even going bowling! Have they done as risk assessment on the liklihood of him dropping a bowling ball on his foot? :D

Seriously, a lot of school trips have come a cropper due to a mixture of H&S regulations and cutbacks in expenditure. Even the ones you pay for are subsidised.


Be careful what you say, they'll have them wearing steel toe caps in them silly shoes

Loz 07-07-2008 10:13

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We had loads of good trips when i was at primary and secondary school.
Went to petting farms and shows at primary and at secondary school we had loads of choices.
We could go to Alton Towers,bowling,cinema or activitie days etc..
Think its a shame with all the red tape nowadays that kids miss out on a lot of this because teachers are afraid something will happen to a pupil and they might be sued or lose there job its a joke really.
I guess its something that they are allowed any sort of trip really!

flashy 07-07-2008 11:13

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 603258)
due to a mixture of H&S regulations and cutbacks in expenditure. Even the ones you pay for are subsidised.


whose exependiture? its the parents that pay 100% of the cost, the school dont put a penny towards it

Gayle 07-07-2008 11:48

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Son is in infants and they went to Skipton Castle but my daughter is most cheesed off because her class hasn't gone anywhere this year.

emamum 07-07-2008 11:54

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Ty isnt going any where either....... last year he went to Bradford Photography museum and the year before he went to Rishton farm with nursery (does any one know where this is so i can take him again?? He still talks about a parrot callled monster!)

WillowTheWhisp 07-07-2008 12:06

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Originally Posted by flashytart (Post 603296)
whose exependiture? its the parents that pay 100% of the cost, the school dont put a penny towards it

Really? Wow!

Maybe our school is more generous then. I do the risk assessment and associated gubbins for school trips and there's a breakdown of the cost which includes the cost of the coach, cost of the entry fee etc and then on the other side there's the cost to each pupil and the balance which the school pays.

If fewer children go (as often happens as they don't all go if parents don't pay/send in the permission slip etc) then the cost to the school goes up.

MUMMIBOO 07-07-2008 13:42

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My kids would have loved to gone bowling mine went to Liverpool art gallery! (dead exciting ) cost me £7.50 for somewhere thats free to get in! and jack went to Lancaster butterfly house better but cost me £11.00 and its only £3.00 to get in. I know they have to pay for the bus but 2 classes of around 25 kids i think they made a killing!

flashy 07-07-2008 13:44

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the school have never forked out for anything to do with school trips willow, they are going on the bus today (or have been on the bus) now to me thats not right, like you said, have they done a risk assesment for that? have they done a risk assesment incase a child runs into the road and gets knocked over? to be honest ive never known a school take children anywhere on public transport before

pipinfort 07-07-2008 14:52

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Originally Posted by emamum23 (Post 603311)
Ty isnt going any where either....... last year he went to Bradford Photography museum and the year before he went to Rishton farm with nursery (does any one know where this is so i can take him again?? He still talks about a parrot callled monster!)

This might be what you are after...........
http://www.lordshousefarm.co.uk/

lancscat 07-07-2008 15:08

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my little boy goes to a fund aided school in ossy,which i contibute to each week,and guess what?they are not having a school trip due to the expense,they are going to have a picnic in the park,im not happy to say the least.

SPUGGIE J 07-07-2008 15:39

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Lauren had a disco last week for end of school A WHOLE 2 HOURS!! As for trips out and about there have been non in the last 4 years due to all the rules regs etc etc etc. It may sound cruel but to me it is better if she didnt go since being diagnosed with Juvenile Myoclonic Epilepsy as the attention from teachers for her would be "diluted" leading to the emergency meds she has being no good. The result would be hospital and a downer for the rest of her class.

Lilly 07-07-2008 15:52

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 603316)
Really? Wow!

Maybe our school is more generous then. I do the risk assessment and associated gubbins for school trips and there's a breakdown of the cost which includes the cost of the coach, cost of the entry fee etc and then on the other side there's the cost to each pupil and the balance which the school pays.



If fewer children go (as often happens as they don't all go if parents don't pay/send in the permission slip etc) then the cost to the school goes up.

You're so right, Willow. With all this health and safety malarky we are lucky if the teachers are brave enough to take the class anywhere.

My 4 year old is in reception class. They aren't going on a trip this year as the required staff to child ratio is too high and they would need too many adults to accompany them. :(

To make up for this they are having a circus workshop visit them in school which my daughter is really looking forward to.

My 7 year old has been to the museum of science and industry. He really enjoyed it. :)

Our school does not contribute to the cost of trips. The parents pay it all and if there are not enough parents willing to pay then the trip will not go ahead.

In my day if your parents were not willing to pay for a school trip then the child would not go on the trip. There is now a law against this.

Schools are not allowed to demand money for activities during school hours. All they can do is request that you make a voluntary donation for either part of or the whole of a certain amount. They have to make it very clear that your child will be included on the trip whether you pay or not.
However, if they don't get enough voluntary contributions nobody will be going.

Thank God for schools that are willing to brave all this and still run school trips. :alright:

flashy 07-07-2008 15:57

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H how much did the trip to the museum of science and industry cost you? thats free entry too

dont get me wrong, i love going to that place, i must go at least 4/5 times a year, its a cheap and cheerful day out for the kids

Lilly 07-07-2008 16:03

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Originally Posted by flashytart (Post 603380)
H how much did the trip to the museum of science and industry cost you? thats free entry too

dont get me wrong, i love going to that place, i must go at least 4/5 times a year, its a cheap and cheerful day out for the kids


It cost us £9.50 for each child. I've actually gone and dug the letter out and I'm looking at what it says.

It says:

The cost per child is calculated by dividing the actual cost of the trip by the number of children going. The cost usually includes transport, admissions and a small amount for essential supplies and first aid. No profit is made by the school. A contribution of the full amount on behalf of every child is necessary to cover the cost of the trip.

WillowTheWhisp 07-07-2008 16:05

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Originally Posted by flashytart (Post 603331)
they are going on the bus today (or have been on the bus) now to me thats not right, like you said, have they done a risk assesment for that? have they done a risk assesment incase a child runs into the road and gets knocked over? to be honest ive never known a school take children anywhere on public transport before

They ought to have done a risk assessment and if they haven't then they could be in serious bother.

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Originally Posted by MUMMIBOO (Post 603330)
My kids would have loved to gone bowling mine went to Liverpool art gallery! (dead exciting ) cost me £7.50 for somewhere thats free to get in! and jack went to Lancaster butterfly house better but cost me £11.00 and its only £3.00 to get in. I know they have to pay for the bus but 2 classes of around 25 kids i think they made a killing!

So that was £8 per child for transport alone? 50 children at £8 each comes to £400. How many adults were there? The teachers and assistants wouldn't have been expected to pay as they were not going for the treat they were working. It sounds like from the numbers it could well have involved 2 coaches. That's £200 per coach to travel to Lancaster. With the price of fuel these days I can imagine the coach company could well have charged the school that much. Remember the driver's wages have to be paid as well as the fuel costs and maintainance of vehicles. Not much left for a killing despite what you might initially think.

And of course if there were less than 50 children it would have been even less of a killing.

flashy 07-07-2008 16:06

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Originally Posted by Lilly (Post 603382)
It cost us £9.50 for each child. I've actually gone and dug the letter out and I'm looking at what it says.

It says:

The cost per child is calculated by dividing the actual cost of the trip by the number of children going. The cost usually includes transport, admissions and a small amount for essential supplies and first aid. No profit is made by the school. A contribution of the full amount on behalf of every child is necessary to cover the cost of the trip.



ADMISSIONS? :eek: the only admission to that museum is for the exhibition, i doubt that they would have gone to see any of those, not for that price anyway, so basically the transport cost that much? and essential supplies are what? drinks for the teachers?

WillowTheWhisp 07-07-2008 16:08

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If you are really curious to see the actual break down of costings I would approach the school and ask if I were you, just to set your mind at rest.

Lilly 07-07-2008 16:09

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Originally Posted by flashytart (Post 603384)
ADMISSIONS? :eek: the only admission to that museum is for the exhibition, i doubt that they would have gone to see any of those, not for that price anyway

No, I don't think there was any admission fee in this particular instance.

The £9.50 we all paid must have just been for the coach.

As Willow said, once you take the drivers wages, fuel etc into consideration it doesn't seem such a ludicrous amount.

I am confident that the school does not profit.

flashy 07-07-2008 16:15

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i'm not saying the school does profit, but if you have say 30 pupils thats £285 for the coach, just to get to Manchester

oh my god i'm trashing my own thread here

WillowTheWhisp 07-07-2008 16:22

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£285 for a coach to Manchester - that doesn't sound unreasonable.

flashy 07-07-2008 16:26

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see you know more about the coach side willow with Busman working on the coaches, i am planning on going to France and Folkestone(sp?) for two night for half that price on a coach lol well its £99 each for me and Reece

SPUGGIE J 07-07-2008 16:30

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There must be money available for some trips as when my train was stopped at Lancaster this morning there was approx 20 kids with small suit cases ready to go somewhere with their school. What kind of school I dont know possibly a private one.

SPUGGIE J 07-07-2008 16:38

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 603391)
£285 for a coach to Manchester - that doesn't sound unreasonable.

Sounds like a good deal. Alas though schools pleading poverty and would want to spend the money on something else.

flashy 07-07-2008 16:41

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when ivwas vice chair of the PTA at Reece's school we raised money that was supposed to go to things like this, it never did, it ended up paying for a new school sweatshirt for the kids

panther 07-07-2008 17:09

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My son went to townley hall with their school.....WOW!!

HE also said the cost of the coach was £100!:eek:...how much is it on a bus to burnley from ossy?

I remember each kid had to pay £6.+, but the school did say that a child would not be left out if ya cant afford to pay...BUT if they didnt have sufficent funds then they would have to cancel!

emamum 07-07-2008 17:19

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Just asked my friend and she says that at ty's school they only have trips in the juniors cos it is a church funded school and they cant afford to take the infants..... extra staff etc (rubbish excuse imo)

saying that they do seem to have a lot of visitors....... last week they had a martial arts display thingy.....(fit blokes in latex :) )

lancsdave 07-07-2008 17:32

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Originally Posted by panther (Post 603415)
My son went to townley hall with their school.....WOW!!

HE also said the cost of the coach was £100!:eek:...how much is it on a bus to burnley from ossy?

I remember each kid had to pay £6.+, but the school did say that a child would not be left out if ya cant afford to pay...BUT if they didnt have sufficent funds then they would have to cancel!

By the time you have caught 3 buses from ossy to Burnley you are talking at least £1.50 per child. Times that by 50 and it's £75. Thats nearly as much as paying for the priveledge of a door to door service the private hire companies are providing, and probably takes half the time too :)

don't forget as well unless the coach firm is local to the venue you are paying for the drivers waiting time for the duration of the trip

WillowTheWhisp 07-07-2008 17:33

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Originally Posted by flashytart (Post 603394)
see you know more about the coach side willow with Busman working on the coaches, i am planning on going to France and Folkestone(sp?) for two night for half that price on a coach lol well its £99 each for me and Reece

:D But there'll be more people than just you and Reece won't there? Let's say it's a £54 seater and all the seats are full - that would come to £5,346! :D

MargaretR 07-07-2008 17:55

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.....And....a kid is usually sick on a seat which involves special cleaning afterwards
as well as cleaning up the toffee papers,crisp bags and spilt pop:rolleyes:

lindsay ormerod 07-07-2008 18:46

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Kelsey's secondary school are rewarding the kids who have excelled in English with a trip to ten pin bowling at Pilsworth, not costing a thing, she can take a lunch or take money for a stop off at McDonalds. I reckon that's a good reward and a great incentive for the others to try harder next year, 22 of them have been chosen out of the year.
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