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Missing Malaysia Airlines plane 'may have turned back'
BBC News - Missing Malaysia Airlines plane 'may have turned back'

For those that like a conspiracy:

Nobody knows yet what happened to Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370. Air traffic controllers lost track of soon after it left Malaysia’s capital Kuala Lumpur on its way to Beijing.
I suspect something sinister and evil to be the cause of this plane disappearing ( assassination of the 20 high tech passengers) maybe it just crashed.
Either way it looks like Kuala Lumpur's passport and border security is as much use as Stevie wonder in a maze.

If they found a 12+mile oil slick,why haven't they tested it it yet to see if it did come from that plane? I may be wrong but I didn't think planes carried that much (hydraulic) oil.
Bits and pieces of information have begun to form, such as stolen passports, but it remains unclear how they fit into the bigger picture of the missing plane.
What's your thoughts? :D

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My thoughts are yeh only take on board what suits yeh!!! That slick has been tested n found NOT to be from a plane.:rolleyes:

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lol ;)

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Thanks for bringing me up to speed C,what are your thoughts on the rest,stolen passports etc ?

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One snippet of info about this incident caught my attention -
"One theory links 20 defence tech experts on board to electronic warfare"

'Cloaking' technology has advanced a long way since it was first practiced disastrously by way of the Philadelphia Experiment
Philadelphia Experiment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Although that experiment was declared a hoax (they would say that wouldn't they;)), there are witnesses still living who swear it happened.

This could be another experiment gone wrong.

OR

Another seemingly outlandish possibilty is a 'quantum leap' to one of the limitless number of parallel universes

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What we believe is mint imperial. We have no proof and neither does anyone else...or so it seems.

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I agree with you Margaret P.
If the experts wait a day or two and then read Accy Web I am sure they will find someone who can explain it to them.
Myself I haven't a clue and watching the news nobody else had at lunch time today.

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My own thoughts are passports had sod all to do wi what evers happened, if twas terrorists they like to brag about the fact, probably these 2 were just criminals. but it remains to be seen...........if possible.:eek:

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What is 'known' so far
BBC News - Malaysia Airlines: What we know about flight MH370

Was any bankers on board? Did it hit a chemtrail plane an needs covering up? :eek:
Maybe it's just going to be used for tighter border/passport controls...
I'm surprised though,that anyone can get on a plane nowadays with a stolen passport...I had my passport stolen 2yrs ago,I wonder what I'm up to :D

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Whatever the facts are,the media will only be told what those in the know, want them to know.
So far that is precious little.
I just feel very sorry for the relatives of those who were on that plane. It must be very difficult not knowing what has happened.

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Just speculation but- North Korea have been having some missile tests very recently, which caused a near miss with a passenger plane a week ago.

Chinese passenger jet carrying 220 people in near miss with North Korean missile | South China Morning Post

North Korean military defends missile tests | South China Morning Post

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More speculation :D-I'm no aircraft expert,but I believe these aircraft have not one but two black boxes that when submerged in water, send out a mayday sonar ping for 30 days.
I'm not saying it was a explosion but if it was it would have to be a massive explosion and one hell of a crash to destroy both boxes.
Like Margaret said the families and friends of the victims must be increasingly frustrated with Malaysian officials refusing to release many details of their investigation and sometimes presenting conflicting information.
Apparently an Iranian bought the tickets with the stolen passports, and the 2 guys didn't look Asian, perfect excuse for America to bring democracy to Iran perhaps :confused: :confused:

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Yes, there are two black boxes on each aircraft(they are orange by the way)....one records the conversations in the cabin, the other records flight instrument data.

It maybe that the Malaysian authorities have no information to give the relatives.
Your last sentence is also speculation.......and speculation, while it is bound to happen is not fact and is not helpful - especially not to those affected by this event.

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Knuckle wrapping excepted ;)

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Not that it's relevant to the thread, but Stevie Wonder would have no problem at all with a maze. Just touch left (or right) hand to the wall, and as long as he turns left (or right) whenever he comes to a gap, and is therefore back in contact with a wall, he'll be able to escape.

I tried the theory at a Maize Maze near Weymouth and out of a party of five, I was second to arrive at the centre.

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Maze solving algorithm - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ok,anyone else want to rap my knuckles :o :D

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I wasn't rapping your knuckles. It was just an observation.

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I wasn't rapping your knuckles, you've been getting a lot of that recently, but for a moment I did think about it for using a simile based on disability.

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I'll give it a go,

What a really sad person you are, sitting safe and sound at your keyboard making up silly theories and speculating about a situation that has probably caused the deaths of other people.
I don't suppose you will feel any sense of guilt for acting in this way, after all it's only a bit of 'fun', it's not as if you are doing anything wrong is it?
What a real waste of space you and people like you are.
Is there anyone else that agrees the thread starter should shut up until we know what has really happened?
:(

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Looks like your on your own less (unless your counting the chip on your shoulder) ;).
I will shut up though,since you asked so nicely.

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I'm with you, Less. Of course we are all entitled to our own thoughts about this awful mystery but it seems to me that gossipy speculation is what this thread started out as.

It must be absolutely dreadful for the people waiting for news of their loved ones, and all the talk about what might or might not have happened doesn't make it any easier for them.

Let's just hope that the mystery is solved quickly with the best outcome possible which is that all are safe.

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It's day 4 now, still Nothing,how long do you want to wait to discuss this topic?
What's "wrong" with taking a look at the mystery plane story dominating the headlines?
The (heavy) speculation in the abscence of any evidence is all we can do.

There are so many questions unanswered.
Why the u-turn? Why fly low? Why are the transponders off?
Is it possible for a large airplane to dive into the water without breaking up and go down like a rock, no debris, no trace ,no distress call? I think not.

Anyone fancy watching a movie at mine?
It's called flightplan :eek:

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Give it a few more hours most people sleep at night.

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Discussion is one thing, turning it into a conspiracy theory with no respect for the victims, just shows how sick you are.
AccyWeb is not for conspiracies there are plenty of sites out there for such trash.

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That has been my take on this subject from day one.
For the families this is a tragedy, made much worse by the uncertainty.

As for positive outcomes - I think that is very unlikely with each hour that passes.

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To anyone directly or indirectly effected by this tragedy,I appologse if any of my comments have offended you or have caused you (unintentional) distress.
It was wrong for me to cultivate rumours and fears which are totally unfounded.
I hope they are found soon,although the longer time goes on, I very much doubt a good outcome.

I'll leave this thread alone now :o

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It's not a tragedy ... who knows what it is ... probably an accident caused by mechanical failure or human error ... maybe a terrorist act, altho' if it were, someone or some group would have claimed responsibility by now. Not every event involving loss of life is a "tragedy" ... the word is becoming meaningless ... it's an attention grabber for an overactive media. When everything becomes a tragedy, nothing is tragic. If I were personally involved, if I had lost a friend or loved one on that plane, I sure wouldn't want some shallow talking head like Barbara Bathos or Frankly Unctuous turning my grief into a clown act in the global media circus. Other than being curious about what happened, this tragedy affects me not at all.

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As usual Eric is a voice of reason, let's try to make sure when discussing such events we work with the facts we have rather than the speculation our imaginations can invent.
That will keep the site and it's members from giving in to cruel gossip no matter what the subject is.

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Well, Eric....for you it has no effect on your life.

For those who have lost family I am sure their perspective will be different.

I do get where you are coming from when you say that this word means nothing.
That is because it has been hijacked by those who want to sensationalise events - not just this one, but others that the media wring every bit of juice out of by overplaying it.....wall to wall coverage is the norm these days.

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Let s not forget, there is a member of this forum who may have friends/work colleagues on that plane.

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It will however affect us eventually Eric the strange circumstances and what we know to date having focussed attention on identity theft and the established criminal networks supplying forged passports in Kuala Lumpur.
The mystery and that's what it is until the facts emerge this year, next year or whenever has focussed attention on Thailands established trade in faked and stolen travel documents.
Security will be tightened up at most if not all airport passport control gates.
I see queues getting back to those of immediately post 9/11 in the coming weeks and months.

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Because the media over-use words does this mean that we can no longer use them to say what we mean?
Do we now need to look for words that are not hijacked by the media?
My use of this word was not shallow...it was full of the awareness of the suffering caused by the loss of a loved one in circumstances which have yet to be explained.

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We'll the aircraft disappearance is certainly a strange one.
However as others have said, due to a lack of facts there is very little to go on.

So until they find the Flight Data Recorder and Cockpit Voice Recorder (Black but really Orange boxes) there will be little to go on.
As I see it there are 3 possibilities

1, the Aircraft suffered a catastrophic failure in flight resulting in loss of communications.
2, the Aircraft was destroyed in flight in a matter of second, bomb etc
3, the Aircraft Transponder and Acars system was turned off and they flew to a secret airport manned by Elvis and Lord Lucan.

Anything we say will be pure speculation, but let's remember that 239 souls most likely have lost their lives

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U turn..... Let's wait and see, ATC would know why that happened, if it did.
Fly low, who knows, but there is no evidence of this.
Transponder, all is known is it stopped sqwarking.
The Aircraft breaking up, we'll have a look at Valuejet flight 592, when you hit something at 500mph nose first there tends not to be much left.
You found any proof?

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So there we are! The response from a man who has a far better insight into civil aviation than the majority of us, worth a listen as the Lads' got learning.

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I'm not completely insensitive. I remember other "tragedies" ... the fairly recent one in Haiti, for example ... I donated what cash I could spare (generously matched dollar for dollar by the Canadian government). I did it not in some vain attempt to assuage the grief of the survivors, but for practical things: medical supplies, clean drinking water, shelter, food for empty bellies. There's nothing I can do about grief. That's personal. When we have cause to grieve, we do it in our hearts, in our souls ... and in private or with those close to us. It irks me when I see it, as you say, "hijacked" for sensationalism, ratings, and, yes, profits. If I were waiting in vain at an airport for someone who would never arrive, I wouldn't want some asshole sticking a camera in my face to record my tears, or a mic up to my mouth so that I could tell the world how I felt.

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Eric, you know that I know you are not insensitive...and if it came across that that is what I was saying then I apologise.
I know that someone who gives food to stray animals...finds them a home in his heart cannot possibly be insensitive.

Neither would I want some media bod standing on my grief.

It is easy for me to say that I know how they are feeling, but in truth no-one really does...we can only approximate their feelings with the sadnesses we might endured in our own lives. Empathy covers it.

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Although No3 sounds the most probable out of that bunch,I don't think it's any of the things you mention IMHO.

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No proof, pure spec but you could hit anything with a plane at 500mph an there would be something left I know the ocean massive,but do you honestly think they'd find nothing if it broke up and that was the case?
I'm not being clever,I'm genuinely curious.

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Well, if we ignore my shoulder and it's extra weight, I think today with it's posts prove we as a site, don't need any form of conspiracy, we just want to discuss the facts in a sane and humane manner, hopefully you can live with that and post with a similar ideal in mind.

Thank you.

Well, I posted this too late, idiot still trying not to make himself small...



...and failing.

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Sooooo if it did not crash or it did not land somewhere, what do you think happened? Aliens maybe....

Although this video is a fighter and concrete, you should get the idea.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RZjhxuhTmGk

Anyone thought that just maybe the search and rescue teams are being incompetent.

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As you've probably gathered I'm not here to impress.
I like to discuss all angles and if some of them fall into the conspiracy category,so be it.
I did try keep it out of general chat and questions as to not upset the established members who like just "facts",but if you don't like it,try a different thread ;)

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You don't discuss, you speculate and you aren't very good at that.

I will agree with you on one point, you don't impress.

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Once you got your feet under the table you started into general chat and didn't like the fact no-one took your side.

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As my username suggests, I happen to be involed in aerospace, at the pointed end. Okay so I drive a Boeing 737, currently a 300 in VIP spec but I have flown the 300/400/600/700 and 800 model of it.

As such I have a outlook that looks at facts, not conspiracy, so if you want to discuss TWA 800, 9/11, Concorde, Chemtrails etc you will find that I will discuss this backed up by FACT not fiction.

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Nice video,Maybe it did land 'somewhere' just not near Lucan or pelvis.
If it crashed I'm sure they'd of found something after this amount of time,perhaps the bits that are designed to float (seats,plastics etc)?.
Also I wouldn't say the search an rescue teams are incompetent but I maybe wrong,I wouldn't like to speculate :D

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But you just did speculate, twice:eek:

When there are some facts presented, I will be happy to discuss this very sad event.

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So I had my "feet under the table",I must of missed that post ;)
Contrary to your believe, perhaps I couldn't care less if folk 'take my side' or not,we're not at school now :D

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Quite right, that's why most of us post like adults, why can't you?

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He didn't just speculate but also with enthusiasm in his first post want us to join in his wish to turn this event into conspiracy.
As usual with this type of member, he won't stop until he's banned.

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Sorry less,Your boring me now :sleep8:

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Thank you, an excellent example of a loser with no defence against his natural idiocy.

Not to worry though, I and many others have seen your kind do this type of post before, we won't think any more of you for proving what you are.

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No need to apologize ... never crossed my mind (short trip, eh);)

And it's easy with animals ... they ain't full of bs like lotsa humans are.

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The media has been mentioned in this thread and I'd like to say here that media-induced circuses and insensitive, inane questions from reporters make me cringe.

Note to Accyexplorer, maybe the fact that your earlier postings did not include any mention of the poor souls on the plane, the human side of things, did not sit well with other Webbers. You probably didn't mean it to be this way but your first posting made it sound as if you were (almost) enjoying having something to theorise about, to give your opinion on. I'm sure you didn't intend it to be so - no one can be that insensitive, or can they?

(Yes, I did read your apology later).

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Eric, Don't sell yourself short. Your mind is as deep as the Mariana trench.
I wish I knew just half as much as you know.......as for the animals bit - yes...in spades!

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Maybe at the time I could,should of been a little more sensitive.
I ran my mouth off a bit an got carried away without correctly putting my mind in gear.

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Bulls being the exception to that rule, of course. ;)

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I know what you mean ...

200 + lives lost, and god knows how many in ruin because of this loss, and the best that CBC (Colonial Broadcorping Castration) can come up with as a headline is something like (I can't remember exactly): "Relatives told to 'fear the worst'". One can only roll one's eyes and say, "Well no shiite Sherlock." After the plane is overdue for over 2 days!!!!!!! This is the best they can come up with.:rolleyes:

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Seems to me it has crashed somewhere! If it had gone into the sea there should be some observable wreckage. I wonder if it could have crashed in the jungle without being observed, or observed by anyone with the means or inclination to report it to the authorities?

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Yes of course.

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Is that one of them "facts" less?
Do you have a link?
Do you know something the rest of us don't?


.....didn't think so :rolleyes:

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It may be one of those facts, but it couldn't possibly be one of them facts.
As for the link, I might just put forward the theory that you could be the missing one.
And your last sentence

Punctuation all wrong should be:-

Didn't think, so...

Other than those minor errors it's your best post of the day.
:)

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You should never answer your own questions.

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Of course he should, he's the only one that has the answers.

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Interesting conjecture for anyone who's interested:

aangirfan: MALAYSIAN AIRLINES MH370 - INSIDE JOB

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Pal of mine sent me this:
And he should know better I hasten to add. ;)
The story, no doubt soon to be a movie, goes like this:

The Americans are withdrawing from the Afghanistan, one of their command and control systems (used for controlling the pilotless drones) was hijacked by the Talebans when the American transport convoy was moving down from one of the hill top bases. The Talebans ambushed the convoy and killed 2 American Seal personnel, seized the equipment/weapons, including the command and control system which weighed about 20 tons and packed into 6 crates. This happened about a month ago in Feb 2014.

What the Taleban want is money. They want to sell the system to the Russians or the Chinese. The Russians are too busy in Ukraine . The Chinese are hungry for the system's technology. Just imagine if the Chinese master the technology behind the command and control system, all the American drones will become useless. So the Chinese sent 8 top defense scientists to check the system and agreed to pay millions for it.

Sometime in early Mar 2014, the 8 scientists and the 6 crates made their way to Malaysia , thinking that it was the best covert way to avoid detection. The cargo was then kept in the Embassy under diplomatic protection. Meanwhile the Americans had engaged the assistance of Israeli intelligence, and together they are determined to intercept and recapture the cargo.

The Chinese calculated that it will be safe to transport it via civilian aircraft so as to avoid suspicion. After all the direct flight from KL to Beijing takes only 4 and half hours, and the Americans will not hijack or harm the civilian aircraft. So MH370 is the perfect carrier.

There are 5 American and Israeli agents on board who are familiar with Boeing operation. The 2 "Iranians" with stolen passports could be among them.

When MH370 is about to leave the Malaysian air space and report to Vietnamese air control, one American AWAC jammed their signal, disabled the pilot control system and switched over to remote control mode. That was when the plane suddenly lost altitude momentarily.

How the AWAC can do it ? Remember 911 incident ? After the 911 incident, all Boeing aircraft (and possibly all Airbus) are installed with a remote control system to counter terrorist hijacking. Since then all the Boeings could be remote controlled by ground control tower. The same remote control system used to control the pilotless spy aircraft and drones.

The 5 American/Israeli agents soon took over the plane, switched off the transponder and other communication system, changed course and flew westwards. They dare not fly east to the Philippines or Guam because the whole South China Sea air space was covered by Chinese surveillance radar and satellite.

The Malaysian, Thai and Indian military radars actually detected the unidentified aircraft but did not react professionally.

The plane flew over North Sumatra, Anambas, South India and then landed in the Maldives (some villagers saw the aircraft landing), refuelled and continued its flight to Garcia Deigo, the American Air Base in the middle of Indian Ocean. The cargo and the black box were removed. The passengers were silenced via natural means, lack of oxygen. They believe only dead persons will not talk. The MH370 with dead passengers were air borne again via remote control and crashed into the South Indian Ocean , make it look like the plane eventually ran out of fuel and crashed, and blame would fall on the defiant captain and co-pilot.

The Americans put up a good show. First diverting all the attention and search effort in the South China Sea while the plane made their way to Indian Ocean . Then they came out with some conflicting statement and evidence to confuse the world. Australia is the co-actor.

The amount of effort put up by China , in terms of the number of search aircraft, ships and satellites, searching first the South China Sea, then the Malacca Straits and the Indian Ocean is unprecedented. This showed that China is very concerned, not so much because of the many Chinese civilian passengers, but mainly the high value cargo and its 8 top defence scientists.

Don't you just love a conspiracy theory!

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As an experiment to help prove that that isn't a load of rubbish and that the picture details hasn't been changed by someone which is easy to do, why don't you see how far you can shove your phone up your backside?

It has to be a camera phone that can send pictures :p

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Steady on Neil,
"disclaimer first"
In the darker corners of the www I am sure there is plenty of evidence as just how far foreign objects can be pushed into various body orfices.
Let's just not go there >shudder<

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MH370 search: Reunion debris 'very likely' part of plane - BBC News

So, debris has been floating around for over a year and nobody seen anything? Hmmm
Anyone for cloak and daggers :rolleyes:

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It was washed ashore, but that does not necessarily mean that it has been floating since the plane crashed....there is evidence that it has been submerged for some time.......and the area which had to be searched was vast and currents mean that when the searchers were in one area, the debris could have been miles away out of their sight.........but if you want to perceive that there was some sort of conspiracy then nothing in the world is going to stop you...but remember just because you believe something it does not make it a fact.

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The important part of this sad incident is closure for the families/friends of those who were on board.
For that reason,I'll keep my delusional 'theories' to myself.
Even if the wreck was found intact with the remains of the black box and passengers still inside,to some,it would still be dismissed as a hoax, carried out by 'them' ;)

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Yes, I can fully understand that relatives need closure.
And in real terms it doesn't really matter how the incident occurred (except families of those lost would not agree) those people who were on that flight are lost.

Knowing how they were lost will not bring them back.....it would only give those left behind, someone on whom to lay the blame....insert a 'grudge' in their life that serves no useful purpose.

After we lose someone we tease out the minutiae of the life that existed before they were lost.
We look to make sense of things that sometimes have no sense in them....and when we have done all this are we really any closer?

We have to set down the emotional baggage and move on.
If we do not do that, then we are hampered by it and it is a burden which prevents us from getting our lives back to a different kind of normal.

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Things like this remind us just how vast our oceans are and how even with all our technology we know so little about them. I was surprised how much of the oceans we can't monitor by radar or satellite

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The majority of land based radars have a range of around 240 miles, OTH (Over the Horizon) radars have, as the name implies, a far greater range but are installed where any perceived threat will come from. Satellite surveillance is normally on a polar orbit although geo-stationary are used to cover areas of perceived threat or specific interest. The Indian Ocean covers some 27M sq miles according to Wikipedia so spotting a piece of debris some 4m or 5m sq is like the proverbial needle in the haystack

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Only if the area of interest can be seen from a satellite directly over the equator. A geostationary satellite is one that stays in the same place in the sky if you view it from a fixed position on the Earth. This can only happen for equatorial orbits.

Polar orbits are really used for mapping (which is surveillance of a sort, I suppose). This is because it takes so long for the satellite to return to one spot after its last pass over that spot.

A geosynchronous orbit can be used to view areas of interest, but it only returns to the same place once per day (minus a few seconds). Not much good if you want to survey the area at a different time to when it passes over.

Surveillance satellites are in normal elliptic orbits. They have to be higher than 100 miles in order to maintain an orbit. The higher they are, the more ground they can "see", but as you'd expect, it's at a lower resolution. Also, they have to travel at about 5 miles per second to maintain such a low orbit, so they can only see a particular site for a short time.

Surveillance satellites carry fuel so they can be retasked to a new orbit if events require it. When that fuel runs out, they are only good for photographing what's in their prevailing orbit until their orbit decays enough for them to shoot off into space or fall towards Earth. When a satellite is retasked, the fuel it needs is dependent on its altitude. A low-Earth orbit needs more fuel to change than a medium-Earth orbit.

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this is anything goes so suppose cant complain.:D