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VOLUNTEER COUNTRYSIDE RANGERS REQUIRED

We are looking for willing volunteers living in and around the ribble valley area or who visit this area frequently to undertake voluntary ranger duties.

These include

Public liason
Site management
Public access managment
Public liason
Litter picking
Driving (Clean driving licencse is required)
First aid and safety duties

The ranger service is run by the Chelmswood estate, a private estate and is not a registered charity as our annual income is less than £5000 for those asking before.

Please contact me for more information.

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Do you get a badge.

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You will recieve an ID card, and proof of identity which entitles you to free parking on estate grounds.

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Oh yeah, and sorry i forgot to mention that due to the nature of the work undertaken volunteers will come in to contact with young children and vulnerable adults and as such a CRB check is compulsary along with a DVLA check if you wish to drive an estate vehicle on public roads.

DVLA checks arent required for driving quad bikes and other off road or agricultural vehicles however.

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That will cost you a bit if you get a few volunteers won't it ?

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It's compulsory Dave.:rolleyes:

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who pays for the crb's? they are £36.

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sounds too me , you want a goofer ? why dont you take people on as employees? by the way i wont be applying !!!

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Where is this place? And do you need a licence to ride the quads on the estate? Might be tempted providing its not too far away.

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Some of us enjoy doing voluntary work. It gives us a warm glow inside. :D

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Would do it mate but think getting there may be a bit of an issue (i dont drive so would struggle to get there). Sounds the the kind of work i would really enjoy. Shame its so far away.

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Hey I'm interested and live in lancaster area, if thats handy then give me a PM. I'm only a student and I cant afford to pay for the CRB though and dont have any experience in any of those titles except litter picking at school lol.

If there is anything in particular that'd give e a good bit of experience thats respectable towards my degree then I'd definatly love to be of help.

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Yay, I'm going to be a volunteer, i cant wait! Its a bit strange being excited about unpaid work though I must admit, but this sounds really interesting!

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cos the annual income of the estate is only £5000, which ya would know if ya read it all.:rolleyes:

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Thanks pal, and our annual income is a lot less than that as 90% of the money we make is put straight back into conservation projects.

Any more volunteers ?

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I earn more than £5k a year but I can't afford to buy quad bikes :D:D

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Nor can we, we rely on kind donations from Masey Ferguson and Yamaha.

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Why does it matter if the estate has disposable income or not? Its a minimum of 4hrs a month, if people enjoy volunteering and the countryside then they wont mind not being paid, and its a good oppurtunity for people with no job prospects to get a bit of experience that will help them find a job.

You might not fancy helping because Estates tend to have plenty of wealth and it appears they're being a bit tight by not offering small wages, but they just want help maintaining the vast area of land they have acquired so that it stays nice for the people who enjoy using that land, which includes the public, not just the owners themselves.

If you dont like the job thats being described, just stop commenting on it so then other people have a chance to read the description and make their own minds up, instead of people just slating it just because theres a few spelling errors and its unpaid work! Some people LIKE unpaid work!

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There is a simple reason why I won't offer to help out. Since this person has person has started posting any requests for information about his 'organisation' are very secretive. Hopefully it's some kind of sect that carts off over opinionated teenagers :D

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There are no secrets with regard to the estate if you have any questions just ask me.

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can you answer my question in the other thread? I dont seem to be able to find anything on the chelmswood estate, only the family you named.

If you have access to maps marking out the boundaries of the Chelmswood estate then it'd be helpful to many people I should imagine.

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I actually said organisation not estate. What is your organisation, how is it funded, where is it registered, who owns it, what is it's purpose ? All questions you failed to answer on other threads. Forgive my cynical outlook but I find that if I can't find anything on google then it doesn't exist :rolleyes:

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That isn't NECESSARILY true, it just appears odd that there is no mention of Chelmswood estate linked with the King-Wilkinsons, but I'm sure it can be easily cleared up by the estate in some way.

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The Chelmswood estate trust which is the name of the organisation is unregistered as our income is too low to be recognised by the charity commision, the estate itself is a private estate held by the King-wilkinsin family of slaidburn. The estates aims is to protect and to preserve our rural heritage by actively preventing development work by safeguarding and becoming trustee to land throughout the county.

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Who is the Chelmswood Estate Trust managed by ?

You said in an earlier thread that you are a project manager. Is that not a paid position and how did you get the job ?

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My actual position is HR manager however i was in charge of the Baxenden project and no i am not paid, However i do have my expenses reimbursed. I volunteered as a Ranger and gradually worked my way up, i have always been involved in the estate as we live on the estate and always have done as far as i am aware.

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I need to clarify this, is the estate an official estate acquired by the King-Wilkinson family by life-peerage? Because that was the initial impression I got but now I am confused!

I still want to do the volunteer work and everything but I'm a bit confused as to who I am volunteering to work for now that everybody has raised these questions.

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When Chelmswood 1st posted in this forum they were asking about land near the coppice and were proposing to claim 'squatters rights' on it - naturally we are suspicious about their motives.

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The Chelmswood Estate and the Chelmswood Estate trust are two different bodies, the estate alone was inherited by the King wilkinson family however the estate trust are the body responsible for its upkeep and are completely charitably funded.

The King wilkinson family makes no profit from the chelmswood estate.

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What was the Baxenden Project ?

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So do the king-wilkinson family have involvement with the trust? Are they the ones who founded it?

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Thats the project about Hameldon Hill I believe?

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We had been asked by a resident of Rising bridge who volunteers for the estate to find out about the area to the rear of the coppice and the land ajacent to the bypass. The estate suggested as a means for stopping the illegal activity occuring, procuring the land via adverse possesion and re-generating it to its former natural beuty.

Then opening it up to public access.

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Quote "The King wilkinson family makes no profit from the chelmswood estate"

.........at the moment.......
nothing to prevent future change of policy?
Land gained by establishing squatters rights which may or may not be handed to local councils does seem a rather devious form of land grabbing

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Hopefully one of the long term locals can enlightne me as to what was done there.

Does this mean you already own land behind the Coppice ?

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A charter ruled in 2001 that land associated with the Chelmswood Estate, yet owned by the Chelmswood Estate trust could under no circumstances be used for any profiteering activity other than to fund its own re-development or repair.

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No we dont own it, we have not begun the claim process as of yet and even then we wont own it, it will be given to the coucil and registered as common land.

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It doesn't say it will be handed back to the council, it says it would be accessable to the public. Therefore it would still be their property anyway. The only thing they are doing is taking ownership of land, regenerating it and allowing the public fresh access to bettered land.

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Looks like I'm confused :)

I assumed because you said you were in charge of the Baxenden Project that this was something you had completed in the past. So is the Baxenden project what Blazey said it was and refers to the Hameldon Hill project ? :confused:

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Just for your information there are numerous articles in the Accrington observer about people using the land for sexual meetings, drug abuse amongst other illegal activities.

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Yes, however there is now a qualified project manager in charge of overseeing the claim

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Blimey you'll need to take control of most British towns on that basis :D

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HaHa, the site was only considered because of its history and the location of ancient settlements surrounding the area.

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So it is worth grabbing then?
You told us that the council could go through the same 'squatters rights' procedures.

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So you're taking land thats only used for unwanted activity anyway? How do you propose that this is prevented if it is claimed and regenerated?

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By the installation of locked gates to prevent vehicluar access and styles, also we find that increased public awareness is the best deterent for this sort of behaviour.

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ok, well I'll get to see what everythings all about soon enough anyway, and I just had doubts about the Chelmswood estate thing as I couldn't find anything about it.

Can you clarify the name of the hill in Baxenden? I can only find information on Hameldon hill, not Hambledon... am I overlooking something?

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The hill is named differently on maps from different dates so both name are applicable in this instance.

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got to wish blazey the best of luck with her quest into being a
volunteer in slaidburn and i look forward to reading a report on her
activities this im sure will aliviate any doubts in our minds
GOOD LUCK BLAZEY ;)

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It won't be in Slaidburn - they already OWN Slaidburn

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The report isn't for a newspaper or anything Beechy, it's for the trust and I doubt it would be of any interest for you unless you were after obtaining the land yourself.

I dont see why people dont want to volunteer to help the countryside. Perhaps more would feel obliged if he had made the roles of litter picking and talking to the public the key focus?

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Maybe you are actually being gullible ? I don't think I'm on my own when I say I still can't figure out who Chelmswood are, what they do or their purpose in life, and there's nothing in the public domain to tell me otherwise. Questions get answered with as little information as possible. The project that was first generated on here a few weeks ago has already changed name, in fact I haven't a clue which bit of land they are now trying to take control of :confused:

Why do these volunteers have to contact the original poster direct. How about he just puts up the name of the office people can get in touch with ?

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Would that be vehicluar styles ?

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No if we lock a gate to prevent cars accessing the land we are required to install a style in order to allow access by foot.

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A style of what?

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A style, its either a specialised gate or opening in a fence or wall which allows access by foot but is too small to allow access by car.

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i think he means a stile.......

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HaHa Ooops... you might be right. My apolagies I am not the best speller as is quite obvious

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Thank you for spoiling my fun. He's a clever lad this Chelmswood. Odds on he's called Kyle, Shane or Wayne or something similar.:D:D

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Actually there are public rights of way all across this land.

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The actual site itself is crossed by one footpath only and this is footpath 77 i believe which in accordance with policy will remain completely unaffected and undisturbed

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The Charitys commission has a new registration rule that unfortunately did not comply with, regarding a minimum annual income of £5000.

And we arent fencing off the land just the areas that vehicles are accessing the site by.

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There's a lot of confusion around if you ask me. none more so than job titles/description;

On 6th Nov;
Today;
Profile :
Occupation: I am the Attorney estate Manager for the Chelmswood and Kingwilkinson estate

Something just doesn't seem right about all of this :confused:

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It stinks of SCAM to me too

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i am very very confused:confused:

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I think I'll print copies of this thread off and distribute them in the Slaidburn, Newton, Tosside, Holden areas and ask the local residents for references/opinions of the King-Wilkinson estate, see if they can throw any light on Chelmswood.

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These stories actually concerned the Kings Highway at the Huncoat end and is nothing to do with Hameldon Hill. Perhaps you would care to clarify you statement?

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nothing wrong with that statement, its just that no buggar knows thats actually the case though. this guy is giving the vaugest of information, there is nothing concrete that can be verified, and you are jumping in on just what MAY be the case.:confused: it sure beats me,but good luck.

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Well the list of volunteer work roles he sent me BEFORE this argument broke out sounds innocent enough, its asking for litter pickers and people to speak to people who walk on the land the family already own. You dont have to tie yourself up in their attempt to obtain land to volunteer to do that.

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Blazey, may I ask if tree work and felling trees was included in the description you recieved?

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agree it does sound innocent enough,but the vagueness of it all, makes me step away from any association with it. it may well be a bona-fide thing,but the guy does not seem to want to convince people.:confused:

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Well he didn't decline to send me information when I said I was interested. If you asked i'm sure he'd be happy to forward some to you via email.

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I recieved some information. Was just wondering if mine was the same as yours. Have you recieved an address for correspondence?

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I recieved some information. Was just wondering if mine was the same as yours. Have you recieved a postal address for correspondence?

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Hmm no I dont think I have a postal address, though I havent recieved my posted information yet, just information over the internet. I just got duty information but it doesnt have any contact details on it.

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I got an address by pm.... Coston Lodge, Lancaster.

Thats it! Can't find any info regarding this address.. I like the sound of this ranger volunteering but I think I'm out because its far too shady for me. If its this hard to get some information to provide my own help to these people, imagine how hard it would be to get a referrence from them when you are applying for proper jobs!

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By the way. Anyone can apply to do ranger volunteering for lancashire county council. Its fully legitimate and you would have a far better chance of getting full time work in this line. The only down side is that it requires more of your time to do it through LCC

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A lecturer here at the uni seems to think the scheme is legitimate but an odd thing to do. I havent recieved my 'pack' yet which they said they were sending out, but when I do I will let you know if there is more information with it.

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Keep us informed blazey.

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Well I didn't recieve anything today as far as I am aware. The lads didnt tell me I had any letters or parcels or anything, and even if we did I cant open the front door lol because our door handles broken and I cant be bothered being the one who has to keep doing the DIY.

Will ask the lads later on just in case they forgot to tell me.

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So lets sum up. A bloke joins Accyweb a couple of weeks ago, he takes part in no discussions apart from trying to get people's details to 'volunteer' to help him with his chores. Nobody on Accyweb knows this bloke, his organisation is part of the secret service and a young lady sends him her address. Internet security at it's best :rofl38::rofl38:

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LOL - but it looks as though she has a contingent of male bodyguards on the premises, so will be OK

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The bodyguards might actually be working for the secret service :D

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My male housemates might as well be bodyguards, ones a huge rugby player and another is a martial arts expert lol, and he was those scary things that u wave around really fast, not sure what theyre called though. The other is indeed a wimp.

Yeh I gave him my address, though currently my address is all over the address as I'm trying to find a tenant for my room so i can move out, and the address is on all the adverts.

I'm pretty sure that I will survive with giving someone my house address, i'm pretty sure that the electoral register has a huge majority of EVERYONES house addresses lol, I found my grandad on it quite simply enough just by typing in his name, its hardly difficult to get someones address anyway.