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Maybe...to destroy the evidence were he'd carved 'i wuv Camilla' on them twelve years earlier.:D

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so you noticed it as well?:D

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well my hubby has asked me to ask who remembers the first supermarket in accy and what was it called .... ????

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I remember being at junior school, where along with all the other schools in the area, - our class planted some of the trees on the coppice - great it was - out of school for a whole week

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I'm guessing now.

You could call the old Co-op a supermarket. It had trollies and aisles etc, and had been like that since the '50's.

Or there was Reiley's, owned by Jack Reliey next door to Moor End Post Office, which I remember being there as long ago as the sixties.

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Was it Maypole on Broadway?

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Doh, sorry...still coming to, thought you said Ossy.:o

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Maybe you were too young, I was about 14 and he was really horrible to us telling us to go away:D

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That was called O'Beech's jambutty they used to sell sarsaparilla and ginger beer in pot jugs like Stantons did, the greasy crisp broken bits would be well out of date but they were great after a good swim.

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Much obliged for the ‘shop’ name information Ianto.W.

In those days there was no such thing as ‘out of date’ goods except by how the goods looked. In any case the ‘bits’ could well have been off the floor but then that gave them that extra flavour.

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Aaah yes Jambutty.......I loved those gardens. My gran used to sit on the benches while I tried to roll down the steep grass verges.
How simple my pleasures were when you campare them to what the kids of today want to do.

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Yes, I remember that little shop too. He used to have a basket of tins without labels. They were very cheap. My mum once bought what she thought was a tin of salmon......she thought it was a John West type tin...when it was opened it was pineapple rings......I was quite glad as i preferred pineapple rings to salmon anyway.

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Wasn't it Melias.....the shop bought the picture place.......... that used to be at the bottom of Avenue Parade...the shop that was later used by Ray Lynden after he graduated from the market.

Isobel Winter'sshop in Peel street wa the place to go for school uniforms,but they were very expensive.......and they used to sell lovely babywear.
Price's cake shop, also in Peel Street. I used to run across there from where I worked and buy myslef a lovely fresh cream trifle as a treat when I had been paid.

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Did you ever go to the chippy across the road from the baths and buy a bag of batter bits for tuppence. I used to really look forward to that after I had been swimming.....if I was really flush I would buy four pennorth of chips and smother them with salt and vinegar.

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I remember being taken there for new winter coats. She sent me a card when I was born, and my was Mum also sent one when she was born twenty odd years earlier. I think she used to read the births column in the Observer, and sent them to get new customers.

In the middle of posting this my Mum called in for a coffee, and had in her purse a picture of me wearing a suit from Isobel Winter's! Pictured below with my baby brother.

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Awww you were sooo sweet :) ........ what happened? :p :D

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lol @ garindas photo !
Ill never be able to look at your brother again in the same light. :D

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I had one of those Willow.....it was in the shape of a book and bound in a leatherette type of stuff.......wonder what happened to it?

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I remember when every street had a corner shop. Our nearest was Freds Shop on the corner of Pansy and Eccles Street. He had a great penny tray. For a real treat we would be taken to the Mount shop, where Cartridge World is now, and could choose a quarter of something and you had to pass the jars of sweets over to the old dear behind the counter as they were arranged all over the shop.
Did anyone else play on their trollies round the back of Woolworths on the steep slope there?

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Rindy so cute!
Remember Isobel Winters for school uniform.

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On the left of the chip shop was a confectioners that made miniature loafs of bread like hovis they were good we used to share chip bits and bread, the newsagents was on the right of the chippy Aurther Smalleys he sold toffee as well.

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Back to the first supermarket ..... according to hubby it was called Saul,s , He thinks it was on either Bank st or Jacob st,the owner was apperantly a jew from manchester and it was in the mid 50s...

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Yes, I remember that too...if we couldn't scrape enough money for the baths and a bag of bits we used to have a penny Hovis loaf and a halfpenny spanish....you know the really hard spanish, and we used to jam the spanish into the bread and eat it like a sandwich. Nowhere near as good as a bag of crispy bits though.

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Sauls was down by the Black Abbey pub....I suppose it could be called a supermarket....but I don't recall it being very busy.......and yes he was a Jew.

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I was just on phone to my mum while reading that cherokee and she agree's it was Sauls but says was it not on Back Abbey St?

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He says it was a supermarket for those days , no shelves though , everything in boxes ..cor blimey the EHO would have had a ball ..lol.............!!!!!!:D

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He dosent know exact location tinks but yes def around that area .. think MP may have it ..

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Yes, everything was in boxes...and if you read my earlier post some of the tins had no labels on them......so it was pot luck if you bought those......you could be on prunes and custard or tinned steak...sardines and corned beef were a fairly safe bet though. The tins without labels were very cheap though. I think that is what my mum used to go in his shop for...to rummage among the bargains.

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The shop now is divided into two retail outlets...one sells beds and the other one sells hand made wooden toys.

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After asking where Redmans was, my mums just told me it was her first job when leaving school ..... she asks does anyone remember John Swanny (the owners) 100% salmon paste? :D

It was an interesting conversation, she's just been filling me in with bits that you've all been talking about .... like the baths were where the sunken car park is near near the skateboarding park and that there was a pub on the opposite corner called The Junction and that the chippy you remember was next door.

She also remembers the railway station and said that the red towers you can/could see in the lodge where the new complex is being built was actually part of the bridge structure for the trains that were going to Manchester :)

She also asks was it in the '70's when the sunken gardens were removed?

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Saul's was down where Kerr's is now. It was kind of the Aldi of its day ;)

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The old Accy baths, which closed in late '76, used to really scare me as a child. They had those heavy meatal beams holding the glass ceiling up, and what looked like circular saws with jagged edges on them as decoration. I learned to swim there thinking quickly, they could fall down and kill me!

I remember the changing cubicles were seperated. The men's were around the side of the pool, and the ladies were upstairs round the balcony. I can't remember what happened with your clothes though. Did you have a key and lock the cubicle, or was there a basket which you left with an attendant?

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old accy baths as i remember it from a child were lads down one side girls down other and your clothes stayed in the cubicle... but i only rem my schooldays going there so it may have been different for open swimming....

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can you remember who lived on that row iantow? it was very strange to cashy as a nipper.lol

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ah uncle rindy what a cute pic...i notice the smile hasnt changed :D

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I remember the old accy baths.. that was my bath.. went every July without fail!
and the chippy over the road.

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Most of them cashy, the whole area was a small community on it's own St James St ,Paradise St, Eagle st and the back streets as most of them were back to back houses with communal back yards an toilets etc. The characters yes, Tommy two guns said he used to be in All Capones gang when he went to live in America, Mr and Mrs Flaherty in Paradise St a mate of mine married their daughter, also Mrs Best who's nickname was 'Merry Bess' among others, I was brought up on Blackburn Rd Corner house with Grimshaw St, but I knew this area very well as my Grandma was the landlady of the Globe Inn, I bought a house on Eagle St in 1964, I could go on all night naming names but not the done thing methinks?

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my grandad used to live in one of the old firemens cottages up manchester rd an he had a communal back yard with the loos etc ... i was only a young un and used to find it funny....

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now then theres a story about tommy 2 guns somewhere i put in a thread in nostalgia section,an its perfectly true. also i knew merry bess by one of her other names. lol me aunt alice who ican barely remember lived on parsdise st.

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Mine was green Willow...and it did make a very satisfying sound when you put money in it.

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Rindy, you just left your clothes in the cubicle and hoped someone would steal them.........and leave you something better. I never had any money other than a few coppers with which to buy a bag of bits or a few chips.....Maybe folk were more honest then.
Everyone I knew used to put their coppers in their sock and stuff it into the toe of their shoe. So the crims didn't have to be a genius to rob us of our few coppers.

As for the Redman's query......I remember John Swanney. My mum used to love that potted salmon. I'm sure that john swanney later had a shop in Church St......that was after Redmans closed down.

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The sunken gardens were filled in in 1960 when construction was started on the Broadway shops. They were a real oasis of calm and tranquilty amid the hustle and bustle of the town centre. Used to sit there with my gran, watching the world go by. It was a shame when they disappeared, but at the time it was thought to be a major step forward for the town's shopping facilities, especially the introduction of an M&S store which was the first new one in the country since the war. I think the shops opened around October, 1961, as I remember going to have a shufty in the new Woolies for the first time on my way up to a match at Peel Park, just a few months before the old Stanley folded. The fountains on Broadway looked great when they were in action but, alas, that wasn't for long, thanks to the efforts of practical jokers who regularly tipped bottles of washing up liquid into them to create a bubble bath along Broadway!

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Cheers Wynonie I'll let her know she was a full decade out lol! :D

My mum also remembers them with fondness, the pictures I've seen of them they were lovely :)

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Glad to be of service, Tinks, and ta for the karma.

Now I've a question to ask the senior members out there. When I was about 11 or 12 in 1962/3, I have a distinct memory of walking round the back of the Broadway car park, somewhere near the bottom of Castle Street and seeing an old pub being demolished. Can anyone shed any light on the subject?

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The Australian, that was the pub your after 'S'

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the only pub at the bottom of castle street was around the corner to the left on the pleck, it was a thwaites house The Australian where cashy had his first pint in 62, the then landlady is still batting and have seen her in the back room of the stag at occasional accyweb meets.so it was later in 60s wyn when it was demolished cos it stood empty a few years, never remember any other pub down there apart from the Black Bull- over the river stink bridge next to a paper shop and ken cleggs.

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Cheers, Mr C and Ian, that's the pub. Must be getting my years mixed up on its demolition date.

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Ewbank and the cobbled bit of road under the viaduct on Hyndburn Road. Loved going over the cobbles in the car when i was a kid :p

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does anyone remember that little tobacconist that used to be on union st next to barclays bank?

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I think that was called Woods Tobacconist it was next to the Union ST club on the left hand side, maybe inbetween the two. If you go in Brooks Club they have a picture near the stage with all that area on.

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When did the tobacco shop close? I thought it was still there a couple of years ago.
Used to go to the blacksmiths on Hyndburn road, cant remember his name though, was it Fitzpatrick?

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Yeah I remember it, it can only have closed in the last 10 years or so :confused:

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Yeh me mum used to get me grandads pipe stuff from there, altho its now halifax's hole in walls & halifax has been there since late 1990 as when i joined or just before:confused:

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grego Fitzpatricks blacksmiths was on the corner of the little street that was/is behind Kwik Save, were the little car parks are now, at the far end of the street at the junction was the Horseshoe (thwaites house) or the learners arms as it was known.

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That was the only place where i could buy cigarettes and tobacco when i was under 16 because they knew that they were for my mum & dad. I used to go in there every week when i was a kid with my dad and he'd buy his tobacco for the week. I bought him a pipe when i was a kid with my spending money (well with a little help from mum!) and he used it once and never used it again - went back to his old one!!! Typical fella!!!

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woods was the only place i ever knew that sold Joy Sticks!! who remembers them? lol

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All the boys went up the woods with Joy Sticks.

She was a lovely girl.

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The extra long cigarettes you bought at Woods tobacconists cashy?

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Don't remember them, Mr C. I do recall a Turkish brand called Sullivan Powell that I used to buy from there when I was around 16-17. Used to sit on the deck smoking 'em, thinking I was being very cool!

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Was 'the deck' a place Wynonie?

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It was the area stretching from the town hall to the bus station where young folks used to hang out. I started a thread on it somewhere.

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thats the ones ianto.w though must have thought i was cooler than wynonie sat on the deck.pmsl.

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Ah right, cheers. I'll go and have a moochy at that. :)

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Woods also used to supply cigarettes wholesale to other shops willow, the photograph of the shop and the Union St WMC is in the Brooks Club, it was taken on the day they were shut to enable Barclays Bank to extend, it also has the date I'll have a look this afternoon, I'm going in for the tea time banter.

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What about Sobranne Black Russian cocktail cigarettes or Pasha aromatic and Passing Clouds, you could outstink the fishmarket round the corner with those.:cool:

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tried em exept the pasha,also sweet afton, n carrols no1. were favourites of mine,obviously the paddy in me.:)

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Are you sure Cashy? Well it was about 22 years ago last time I was there!:)

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I remember Joysticks cashman and Royalty too. They were much fatter than normal fags and sort of oval. Woods also used to sell American fags like Camel, Lucky Stripe. American fags came in stylish fag packets which were a boon to fag packet collectors.

Then there was Nosegay, Bar One, Turf, Park Drive and good old Woodbines. You could also buy them in packets of five. Ship’s Woodbines were the same size as Senior Service or Players and on board ship I used to pay 10d for a 20 packet. Players and the like were one shilling and we were allowed to buy 800 per month. In Civvy street at that time Players, Senior Service etc were 3 shillings and sixpence or thereabouts.

Did you know that the sailor portrayed on the Players packet was a real person called Tom something or other?

The cheapest fags were ‘Guttersnipe’ or ‘Bend Down Virginias’ but only in dry weather.

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cashy could have got the name of the street wrong grego, but it was where he said it was between kwik save and the blockade pub. Little St is at the bottom of Willows lane, I think the street cashy was refering to was Moore St, I'll have a look when I go down today.

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didn,t say Little street ian,lol said it was a (little street) cos i couldn,t remember the name of it.pmsl.i am positive grego, spent many an happy hour watching mr fitzpatrick work,was very fascinating to a young cashy. in fact ive spent many an happy hour watching people work as an adult.:D

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Just been down cashy the street is called Crawshaw Street Brian Fitzpatriock took over the business in the mid fifties he bought the business of a family called Borsey or Borcy, Fitzpatrick moved into the old Abatoir yard when they developed the said area, that is probably why grego is thinking it was on Hyndburn Road as the old slaughterhouse was facing Hyndburn Road.:D You must have smelt the same smells as I did cashy hot iron on hoof never smelt it since, if you can find me a woman that can wear that perfume, I may become a man again.:bleedht:

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Thanks for that guys, dont think you get old fashioned farriers anymore, haven't owned a horse for about 10 years now but the shoes all came ready made, not the same.

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cheers ian remember Crawshaw street now, also now remember what gregos on about, i was the town drunk then - when he moved so its all a blur.;)

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ah so you finally sobered up cashy ........ lol!!!!! just joking hun...

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Wood's tobacconists was still trading on the day that the Union St club shut on 28th March 1989, they must have ceased trading shortly after. Have any of the members or their family members sat in the 'Gods' at the Hippodrome?

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woods tobacconists were a bit like that little shop half way up burnley rd next to the car sales place.... they traded for donkeys years then just come to an abrupt end.....quite sad really....

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The Electricity board showrooms used to be between the two Wood's shops.....NORWEB.

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I remember that shop, it was run by an old lady that would serve you cigarettes in 5's!

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I have a signed photograph of Frank Randle leaning on his car, I think the car was an Armstrong -Sidley taken outside the Hippodrome, I think it's in the 'wartime suitcase', was he the last owner? jambutty, I knew the stage manager the late Harry Curry who used to sing when they had 'technical' problems, to stop the audience stamping their feet, he sang Joseph Locke songs and he was very good. I think the conductor of the orchestra was a man called Baxter he also had a hot food shop near the Spread Eagle pub, selling steak puddings and the like.

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I remember it well......it was Maypoles...and it was my first job.....the old Maypoles was next to Bridges hardware shop opposite the market hall and they opened their new supermarket on the corner of Broadway and Union street.I was 15 at the time and remember feeling very proud to be put in charge of all the refrigerator ordering and restocking.It was a new experience for customers.I remember they employed an old guy at the door with a gruff voice yelling out........"HERE....TAKE A BASKET".....a lot of people backed outta da shop because they thought he was selling them...lol.....people were not used to having to line up at a checkout either...but in those days Maypole had packers on the checkouts to help out........Seems so long ago now.....and it was ......1961 :eek:

Tal

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who remembers the sunken toilets on dutton street? the old tax office was across to the right going up from woolworths, and when roughly were they closed n sealed up?:confused:

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I remember the old toilets - white tiles and an attendant always on duty - spotless.
I can't remember when they were sealed up, but they had gone by the time The Blue Dahlia coffee bar opened next to where they had been.

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are ya sure margaret? thought they were still in use when it opened.:confused: used to use em fer a wash n brush up, when the landlady kicked me out.:D

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You may well be right there - but closed by 1960(ish)

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Pardon me or asking but its years since I was in Accy, well that part of Accy anyway, but is the Blue Dahlia still there. I used to know the lad who ran it, he was called John, (Javani Annapo) he came from Sicily, was a great guy used to play pool with him in the Swan in the mid 70s, if I remeber rightly he took up British Citezenship.

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I don't go shopping nowadays either .... on any (rare) trip to Accy centre I always find there have been changes.

I only saw that fancy clock once.....and it wasn't in its display mode at the time

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It's an amusement arcade now, called the Blue Lagoon...sacrilege!

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Totally agree WH used to like poping in for a coffee:(

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Still the same guy though is it not?

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Too right, mate! Practically lived there in the late 60's. A frothy coffee and a few sounds blasting out of the jukebox...paradise! :cool:

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Wouldn't know, as I can find plenty more ways to waste my money than slot machines! :D

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thought it was "Chris" the owner:confused:

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Yeah, now you come to mention it, I remember him being called Chris, too. Nice bloke.