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Recently in your friendly banter about the location of the hippodrome there was reference from willow the wisp about images of the place existing can anyone point me in the right direction please I was born down there and regret never having any interest in photography in those days
thanks if you can help
tony

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This photo was posted by Atarah in 2003

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Where abouts was it?:confused:

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I put 'Accrington Hippodrome' into Google and got this
http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/a....php/f-73.html

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Was it at the bottom of Ellison Street?

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Yes - bottom on the right - I remember going there with my mum, brother + 10 of his mates as a 8th? birthday outing for him. It was an ice show, the patch of ice on stage was just big enough for 2 people!!! at a time.
We were amused by small things in those days :rolleyes:

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Now it would have to be the Ice Show at Blackpool or they wouldn't be interested:)

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I saw my first pantomime there when I was 4 or 5. It was "Babes in the Woods" and I was bowled over by the 2 kids who played the babes, I wanted to be up there doing that. About 20 years later I got my wish, not at the Hippodrome but the Spa Theatre in Whitby and not as a "babe", I was Prince Charming. ;) So, all that singing, dancing and acting I used to do was all sparked off by Accrington Hippodrome. :D

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Actually the Hippodrome was less than half way down Ellison Street on the right. I think that there were houses after that right up to the bus and tram depot, which was across the bottom.

Whenever I managed to scrape sixpence together I would make the long, long climb up to the gods to watch the variety shows.

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Are you sure, Jambutty? I seem to recall that the Hippodrome was very near to the bottom of Ellison Street, with just a small yard between the theatre and the bus depot.

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Is that not the same as the one in post #2 of this thread
Ps just noticed a slight difference , but taken from same viewpoint

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Not 100% sure because memory is a funny thing. But I’m pretty sure.

As you walked down Ellison Street from Blackburn Road there was a back street that led to the top of the Tenament, where the fair used to be. From the top of King Street was a short street (barely 20 yards) leading to the Tenament and joining up with the back street from Ellison Street. At the top of this short street on one corner was a pie shop where you could get potato pie, peas and gravy for one shilling and eat them in a little room inside. A meal to die for. Those were the days when Holland’s pies were not just good but excellent. On the other corner were a barbers and my school mate Johnny Preston lived next door.

The back street was the entrance to the gods and also the general exit from the main theatre.

So the Hippodrome was about half way down Ellison Street. Mind you it was so large that unless you actually walked all the way down it could have looked as if it backed onto the bus and tram depot. I’ve got vague memories of the Co-op grocery store just a bit up from the Hippodrome.

After the Hippodrome there were some buildings, either offices of the depot or houses, then at the end of those was the bus and tram depot across the bottom of the street as you can see from the photographs so thoughtfully supplied.

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Everyone has got Ellison st a bit wrong I could give a brick by brick description but that would be boring I lived at two houses down there from being born at number 4 to leaving number 7 when I was 14 in 1959 so I think that the only way to settle it is a good photograph
I appreciate all the attention Ellison st is getting
all I know is I don't have any photographs
keep up the good work
Tony

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Nope, not convinced on this one, Jambutty. I reckon that below the Hippodrome was another backstreet that led directly onto Ellisons Tennement. Then below that was a brick-walled yard which fronted the righthand section of the bus depot. The offices for the depot were actually to the left of the large garage entrance that you could see from the top of the street. Tony, as a former resident of the street, could you settle this one for us?

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You mean the photograph with the strangely coloured bus? I can't see any other building - it just looks like the sloping roof of the bus garage to me.

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Think we need our Ellison Street ex-resident to sort this one out, Willow!

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Might be a wasted journey if it has been pulled down:eek:

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i used to live a number 17, next to last house on right hand side and the hipperdrome was on the next block down after the back and just before the bus depot

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no the last number house on the right side was 19 then the back alley which went round the back of the houses and up to the top and rear of the spread aegle were it went left up to king street or right to just behind theformer insurance building (swintons),the land after number 19 was called ellisons tenemant and used to hold the fairground and were the accy pals used to do there drill and fire exercises

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Alan has got that right ask a resident
the last house was a toffee shop when I lived down there it must have been a goldmine when the Hippy was open then as Alan said the back st which ran to albion st then when you went past the hippodrome down ellison st there was a backstreet (if that's what you would call it) it was a cinder/ash path the same surface as the tenement with an iron post in its centre at the Ellison st end the other end open onto the tenement, in the photograph in dispute the top of more of the bus depot is what is seen, if I am looking at the right one
hope that bit of info hasn't bored you
keep up the good work
tony

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No there where never any houses there just an area of cinder/clinker most of which is my knees from playing football.
The tenement stretched from the Hippodrome wall and the bus depot wall, to Fort street, and from Hyndburn rd at the bottom up to the bottom of Albion street at the other end of backstreet Alan had described. It would have been easier to draw it than to explain it. I know somewhere there is a photograph of the Old Pals lining up on there I don't now recall where
hop i am not putting you to sleep with all this
tony

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Being aware of how memory can play tricks, particularly with we old codgers (and you young ’uns too for that matter) I decided to take some time out from surfing around and head for Accrington. En route I planned to call in at Whittakers’ butchers on Union Road in Ossy to buy some of the best meat around. The butchers is on the left going down Union Road about 50 yards or so before you get to the library on the corner of Bent Street. There is a Panda crossing right in front. Just under a fiver for half a pound of fillet steak might seem expensive but boy is it worth it. I will enjoy my dinner with some mashed spuds, peas and fried onions. Their other meats are also very good.

But I digress.

To mark the occasion I put a 50’s CD in the player, set off and listened to Johnny Ray, Frankie Laine, Patsy Cline, Loretta Lynn, Guy Mitchell, Wanda Jackson, Jo Stafford etc as the clouds rolled in and it started to drizzle. Driving down Union Road past my old school – the Accrington Secondary Technical School now known as Rhyddings – and listening to records of my youth as I progressed along Blackburn Road it was almost like being back in the 50’s. OK! So I’ve got a good imagination. But it really was a weird feeling.

The object of the trip was to find out how wrong my memory is, if it is wrong.

The first picture is of the top of Ellison Street. Don’t ask – I’ve no idea what happened except that it started to rain and I wanted to protect the lens and get under some cover.
The second picture is Ellison Street a bit further down. As you can see it isn’t a great distance from the top of Ellison Street and the back street.
The third picture is further down still and clearly shows the back street leading to the Tenament. Except it didn’t. It led to half way down Albion Street, which led to the top of the Tenament. The car park is where the Hippodrome used to be. The red brick wall is where there would have been a back street, if there had been one. But it would have led directly onto the Tenament. As you can see the wall was a decent distance away (25 yards or so) from the front of what was the tram and bus depot.
The fourth picture shows the bottom end of Ellison Street and where the tram and bus depot used to be. Between the wall and the current building is now a builder’s yard but back then it was a building and probably part of the garage not a row of houses.
Pictures 5 & 6 are what have been published already for ease of comparison.

The houses on the left of Ellison Street are no more.

My conclusion is that the Hippodrome straddled the half way point down Ellison Street, with, in those days, the Co-op grocers just above the back street where that house with ENTRANCE above the doorway is. Bear in mind I’m talking of 1948 to about 1952.

Tony if you were born at number 4 and then lived at number 7 before leaving that means there were houses on both sides of the street unless it was a street that had odd and even numbers on the same side of the street. I think that a brick by brick description is called for.

Alan the distance between the top of Ellison Street and the Hippodrome could not have supported houses numbered 1 to 19. That’s 10 houses. Even if each house was just 15 feet wide there just isn’t room. Now if you had lived at number 7 and memory has added a one that would be feasible. Or are you talking about Albion Street. Ellison Street did not lead directly to the Tenament – Albion Street did.

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Alan is not wrong there are a few mistakes in your post in the third photo the vaux car in the street is parked in front of what was the coop grocers the peugot car to the right of it is parked in the shop. Then as you went further down the street to number seven what you would have thought would have been the front room had been the coop butchers which was number 9 with no access to7
the same happened next door at 11 so you can see how the houses where crammed into that block I hope someone out there has a picture of before as well as after,
but thanks for your pics
tony

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Thanks for the pics, Jambutty. As I haven't been down that part of town for over 20 years, my first reaction was "hasn't it changed?" So much so, that it's difficult to make comparisons with the old shot, although it's obviously a lot easier for Tony and Alan. Take your point that the Hippodrome was a fair way up the street, but I still maintain that there were no buildings between the bottom wall of the theatre and the bus depot. What I wouldn't give for a time machine! :)

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lots of good memories, but a young boy was killed there in the early sixties, falling off the roof, i think it was christmas 1963

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If what you state is right Tony then there wouldn’t be enough room for the Hippodrome in the remaining space.

The brick wall that you can see at the end of the car park extends across the bottom of Albion Street and that is where the Tenament started.

That Vauxhall car is mine.

The actual streets rarely change Wynonie Harris, just the buildings on them.

In picture 06 the bus looks like the back end of it is level with the end of the Hippodrome. But behind the bus there are 3 parked cars, with an appreciable gap between the back end of the bus and the first car or is it a van. Probably enough space for two more cars. If the Hippodrome backed onto the garage those cars would have nowhere to park.

There was definitely something between the end of the theatre and the front doors of the depot.

We need an old street map of the area. Maybe the library has one for 1950?

Any volunteers?

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I had an old street map but I think it may have been chucked out because we have been trying to get rid of surplus stuff. :(

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yeh i knew him,he lived in a house on blackburn rd, across from the top of oxford st, was only 13 if memory serves well, would have been there that evening but was kept in with flu. :( am also near certain there was no houses below the hippodrome (on the same side) at that time.

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Yes, there was, but my contention is that "something" was not a building, but a walled yard. They used to park the buses out there sometimes. I didn't really want to have to admit this, but the reason I'm so so sure is that when I was a kid, I used to spend a lot of time hanging around there, as an avid bus spotter! :o

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Nothing wrong being a bus spotter Wynonie Harris. We all did it and trains and cars. I had notebooks full of car numbers.

As I stated, memory is a funny thing but I will accept that the ‘something’ was not a building. Although I still have a memory of a roof.

However I hired a helicopter and took a flight over Accrington this afternoon and took these photos above Ellison Street. Then I woke up and invoked Google to do it for me.

It gives a better perspective on things even if the Hippodrome is no longer there.

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very interesting cheers jim, going off the first photo, i would say that the back passage that took you on to Ellisons Tenement is where the (path) seems to be directly below the car park. perhaps Tony can comment on this?

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Thanks for the shots, Jambutty. Yes, Willow, I reckon the theatre was there, too. The yard was below it...perhaps there was some sort of shed there? This thread's really taken me back. I used to love it down there...all those blue-and-red Accy buses coming and going, then on the way home I'd nip into that great toy shop at the top of the street and pick up a couple of trashy American comics. Happy days! :)

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Trying to attach a 1938 map, don't know if it has worked or not

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That area seems too small to hold the theatre WillowTheWhisp.

I reckon that Accy library (reference section) will have some information in the form of a street map (circa 1950) and maybe even photos. If they have then they may also allow people to photocopy them.

I remember that shop Wynonie Harris, on Blackburn road close to Kendall’s Hotel where a dishy bird called May Preston lived. Too old for me but I believe that my brother was in there for a while.

Is it my memory playing tricks again or was it known as “Dirty Dicks” because they also sold ‘racy’ mags?

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its worked Jeff,nice one, it enlarges when you click on it.

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Cheers for the map, Jeff. Just looking at it, it appears you were right, Jambutty, and there was some sort of structure right in the middle of the yard.

As for the shop, we're talking at cross purposes here. The shop you mean was, indeed, a purveyor of racy mags. The shop I'm on about was right at the top of Ellison Street itself on the righthand side as you looked down.

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Incredible but the hippodrome did fit on there.
The bottom back street or path from ellison st to the tenement had a red brick wall about 10 feet high give or take a bit, starting at the gates to the bus depot yard at the bottom of the street and running parallel with the hippodrome through to more gates that opened out onto the tenement finishing about in line to the back of the Hippodrome. So the path was about as wide as a back street(that's a bit vague but it saves any arguments) behind the first bit of the wall was the dustbin area where all the tickets and cigarette packets where dumped(I bet I had a full collection in those days) then after this area the wall became the side wall of a single storey slate roofed building that ran to the tenement end of the path, the building itself was not very wide and I think they where storerooms but not sure?.
see I told you I would bore you
thanks
Tony
ps the cars that where parked in a row on the bottom right hand of the st where in front of the yard wall.

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Cheers, Tony, I knew there was a walled yard down there. Used to sneak in there from time to time to take a closer look in the depot itself.

Thanks for the programme pics, Jeff...fascinating stuff!

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trust me,the block of houses on the right hand side going down started at the top of the back that leads to the rear of the spread eagle and numbers 1---- 19 were all the way down ellison street to the back alley that ran parallell to to the red brick wall then half way along went up the rear of the houses parallell round the back of the houses and into morton street,the red brick wall enclosed ellisons tenament and is still there today accross the road halfway down were the even numbers it started halfway down as there was or is now a large car park which is behind the children nursery, also the houses on the right were not very wide,less than most terraced houses about 15--16 feet each,i have a piccy somewere of my daughter taken from the front door of no 17 looking up to blackburn road i will try ti find it,its amazing how different people have different recolections of the same thing

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hi jambuut,in your last piccy of ellison street the house at the end of the terrace was number 19, in later years when the hippy was pulled down the red brick wall was built,at the end of number 19 is the back entry which went round the rear of ellison street, also continued on to the next street which was albion street( i incorectly said morton st ) the hippy was next then the open yard to ellisons tenemant and the bus offices were across the road

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Full map if it works

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SPOT ON there willow,but its amazing how many different people have different memories,must be the old age syndrome or does alcohol dull the senses

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also what i failed to mention was that numbers 1---3 were on the little block at the top before the back alley and then numbers 5---19 as clearly seen from 1938 ord surveyy may nice one jeff

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they were quite small as you went in the stairs were right in front of you in the lobbyway, right was the small front room then next right rear room and kitchen to rear,top of steps bath room to rear and 1 large bed room front and very small bed room next to it(used to be just 1 bedroom but made into smaller bedroom and even smaller box room) and window added later, they just used to have 2 windows at the front

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The toy shop at the top off Ellison st is the the shop in Jambutty's second image (the loan and mortgage shop) In my time down there Mrs Cothliff had it I think she eventually took a stall on Blackbun market (fancy goods) and up to a few years ago her son Jack had run it.
tony

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Well, we seem to be arriving at a fairly common consensus now, about what Ellison Street was like way back when, thanks to various reminiscences and Jeff's map (is this taken from the "Industry And Prudence - A Plan For Accrington" book, Jeff? I'm at work so I can't check out my copy).

Think when I come up for the match tomorrow, I might take a little stroll around there just for old time's sake! :)

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In Jeffs 1938 map and this is a longshot what was the Hall up from the picture/ theatre/hippodrome I recall everything else I think on the map.I can only remember the building being the (Panette) probably spelled wrong a firm that made pans.
Tony

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No it is part of a 1938 Ordnance Survey map of Accrington that I have. Incidentally I will be behind the goals (under the roof) tomorrow.

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Oh right, it's very similar to the one in the book. A fascinating document, anyway.

Yep, I'll be under the roof, too, in my usual spot - top of the terraces to the left of the goal. A sunny day predicted, so we can't test it for leaks! ;)

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My usual spot is first barrier down, left of the goal as you look at it from behind (between the goals and the Whinney Hill side)

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Oh well, we probably know each other by sight then, as, sadly, there's not that many stand round there!

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Well that map is pretty conclusive.

If nothing else this thread has been a good exercise in verifying:
The older I grow,
The more I recall,
How little I knew,
When I knew it all.
Anon

As I stated at the outset, memory is a funny thing and what seems dead real now may not have been quite as real then. And in my case alcohol doesn’t come into the equation. Just galloping senility.

What that map does show is my old house at 148 Blackburn Road with a large back yard that we shared with the plumbers and painters, where Accrington Stanley (me) took on all comers (my brother) and usually lost. He was older and bigger than me. In summer Jim Laker (me again) skittled out the Aussies (my brother) until a straight drive over my head made its way through the living room window, annoyed my mother no end, destroyed a cake mix rising by the fireplace with glass splinters and got cricket banned in the backyard. No cake for tea either.

By the way – the fillet steak was absolutely delicious. Roll on next month.

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Anybody know the exact location of Pomfret Yard in the near area.My grandfather lived there.

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I don't know if any of you are intrested but there is a DVD on sale now. I think it is called Accrington Then and Now(something along those lines). You can buy it at the cafe in the arcade and it is priced at £9:99.

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Thanks for those shots, Willow...very interesting. Sad to see that "Berlin Wall" type construction in pic three. That used to be the gateway to paradise (waltzers...candy floss...slot machines...hot dogs...the whiff of diesel...and the promise of fun and adventure!).

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It isn’t a relocated building WillowTheWhisp - that photo of the Co-op is of what used to be the clothes store next door to where I used to live. If you look on that map and find Blackburn Road it is just above the “K”. The white bit is the shared backyard leading to a gate onto Blake Street. There used to be a weeping willow tree off to one side.

If you look closely the cartographer has even drawn in the tiny front garden at 148 and it also shows the larger front garden of Myrtle House.

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Don’t forget the black peas (pigeon peas I think they were called) and baked potatoes the like of which you cannot get nowadays.

Dodgems were many a kid got a busted nose. The caterpillar where boy met girl and found out the difference. And then there was that fast ride the one with motorbikes on the outside where they always seemed to find a bit more speed when the girls were all screaming. Health and Safety would have had a field day and probably closed the fair down. Fortunately there was no H & S in those days.

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I feel another trip to Accrington coming on to get that DVD.

Thanks for the heads up.

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Very true, Jambutty. Amazing how we all survived, isn't it? :rolleyes:

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No problem I just thought some of you might be interested, Ian's sister got it to take back to Australia with her that's how I know about it :)

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Just like the buses - those with the entry at the back and no doors of course.

In spite of warnings we jumped off and on when the bus was still travelling. Imagine doing that today – not that you can.

We survived because we learned how to jump on and off a moving object up the park on the roundabout. Remember the umbrella and the plank. They were lethal and tossed many a kid onto the grass – if you were lucky. We would launch ourselves off a swing with scant regard for the consequences. We wore our scabs as badges of honour. I mean you weren’t a kid if at least one knee wasn’t covered in scabs. Cuts and bruises and stitches in the head were par for the course.

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How very true. And how much higher the slides were and how much more fun we had on playgrounds in those days than the kids do now where everything is so 'safety conscious'. I remember taking the plank "up to't bumps" and squealing with delight.


I misunderstood an earlier post where you said.

I thought you were referring to the Co-op building in my photo, not realising that there had been another one. I know this building in my photos is opposite the K on the map. That was the point I was making about it not being in Ellison Street. What was that larger building on the opposite side of Oxford Street?

Isn't it interesting how Jewsons is now located right next to where the sawmill used to be?

I've been looking at the maps and photos and have now concluded that the theatre covered a larger area than my first blob so have now drawn in a more accurate blob on the aerial photo.

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Jambutty; you can still get some black peas ! Health food stall in Accy indoor market sells them ! Soak over night and boil the next day! I get them from there for Bonfire night every year !:)

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The other side of Oxford st was also the the coop it ran from blackburn rd to blake st (and I am probably starting something else here) up to St James vicarage.
I searched on my mate google for accrington pals on ellison's tenement and got a couple of images that showed the back of the Hippy I think these came from an old book of accrington but I don't know how to create a link to post them direct to the web
thanks for images
tony

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The building on the other corner at the top of Oxford Street WillowTheWhisp was also the Co-op but the furniture department.

Wonderful link to those pictures.

Thanks for the black peas tip lindsay ormerod. I’ll keep it in mind.

That café in the Arcade does not actually sell the “Accrington Past And Present” DVD’s, as I found out this morning but I know who does.

A guy called Gordon runs the Springtime Video Service at 156, Rising Bridge Road, Haslingden does. The road branches off the main road near Winfields shoe place. His phone number is 01706 215914.

He is generally in his video studio in the mornings so the time to take a trip over there clutching a tenner is obviously during a morning.

I am planning to make a trip on Thursday morning at about 10:00am and I have three seats in my car available to anyone who wants to come along. Bring your own tenner.

The England ladies football team are in action in the World Cup in a few minutes so it’s time to get a brew and settle down and watch the ladies take the States apart.

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Sorry you had a wasted journey JB, that was where I got it from in June. Was going to go for one myself this afternoon as my sister is off to South Africa in the morning and I wanted her to take it for my brother. I will just have to get it and send it through the post.

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I probably was looking at the image with the end shed being built I could not see any thing when I searched again, thanks for the tip on how to sort a link out I will go and have a try.
thanks tony

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A bit from a book by Jeanette winterston for Jambutty
Over to the right was the viaduct and behind the viaduct Ellison's tenement, where we had the fair once a year. I was allowed to go there on condition I brought back a tub of black peas for my mother. Black peas look like rabbit droppings and they come in a thin gravy made of stock and gypsy mush. They taste wonderful. The gypsies made a mess and stayed up all night and my mother called them fornicators but on the whole we got on very well. They turned a blind eye to toffee apples going missing, (long live the black pea

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It wasn’t a wasted journey. It got me away from this blasted keyboard, gave the car a bit of a run out and I found out the phone number of the company that made the DVD’s and other information because of it.

I call that a very fruitful journey.

Pity the ladies lost. Ah! Well! We can’t have everything.

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The attached photo is one that I grabbed from the Excellent BBC program about the archive film of "The lost World of Mitchell and Kenyon".If I am correct,and this is open to debate,this is a shot of the opening of the electric tram service in Accrington,looking down Ellison St.Where is the Hippodrome?The original building was made of wood and burned down.Looking carefully at the picture there appears to be a pile of rubble where the building was.

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cracking photo, whats the building behind the rubble? is it the offices for the depot?

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Thanks for the shot, Les, never seen it before, but I've got my doubts about whether it shows the opening of the electric tram service. The original Hippodrome was built in 1903 and burned down in 1908. However, the opening ceremony for the electric tram service took place on August 2nd, 1907, so the original Hippodrome would still have been standing then.

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That is brilliant Les some things more clearer than others do you just take an image of the tv screen with the recording paused to achieve this. I don't think you can mistake the smoking chimney of the old electricity works in the background.I had thought all Mitchell and Kenyon archives where filmed in 1901 if I am right where does that leave us?
thanks
tony

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I loved the Hippodrome as a child I was taken to all the Pantomimes and once my dad and mum booked one of the boxes for one of my Christmas treats. But, I wasn't happy sat there I couldn't get to the stage when they wanted volunteers. I loved the stage and I loved entertaining.Too old now I just have my memories lol.
Looking at the pictures saddens me, especially the dilapidated photo of the inside. But close my eyes and what memories.
It's a shame it wasn't kept for all the shows that appear at Oswaldtwistle Civic Theatre. What a magnificent theatre it would have made.
Where was the Civic Society when they wanted to pull it down? It should have been taken care of and looked after like our Market Hall and Town Hall.

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Because i could not remember exactly I had thought it was 1962 or at least after the lad was killed falling of, so I asked my mate google(when was accrington hippodrome demolished) two links to view !st Gallery that shows the History of the cinemas in Accy and 2nd Photo-quiz 004 what a cracking photo and it was there all the time the gallery link is definately wrong about the demolish date hope you can follow this I will try and send links if you can't
thanks Tony

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Here is another map 1909

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Re: The Hippodrome
 

thats a cracker JEFF,shows clearly was nowt below hippodrome building wise.;)

Re: The Hippodrome
 

Thanks for that Jeff. :)

Re: The Hippodrome
 

That was in 1909 well before the period (late 40’s early 50’s) in discussion.

The 1939 map shows some sort of a construction (a wall and a building) between the Hippodrome and the tram/bus depot, which looks like it had been extended sideways.

Re: The Hippodrome
 

was meaning no houses etc, seem to think a yard of some sort, but my memorys goin worse with age.:)